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  W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-20 20:15 -0800
    Re: W12 release? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-21 02:46 -0500
      Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-20 23:51 -0800
      Re: W12 release? "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-01-25 20:29 +0800
    Re: W12 release? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-21 08:46 +0000
      Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-21 00:56 -0800
    Re: W12 release? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-21 03:18 -0700
    Re: W12 release? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-01-21 19:04 +0100
      Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-21 10:50 -0800
        Re: W12 release? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-21 15:04 -0500
          Re: W12 release? Me <me@mars.invalid> - 2025-01-22 02:27 +0000
            Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-22 14:33 -0800
            Re: W12 release? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-01-30 21:11 +1100
              Re: W12 release? Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-01-30 10:48 +0000
                Re: W12 release? knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-30 07:17 -0500
                  Re: W12 release? Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-02-01 21:02 +1100
              Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-30 13:43 -0800
                Re: W12 release? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-30 19:29 -0500
                  Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-30 17:27 -0800
                    Re: W12 release? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-30 21:54 -0500
                      Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-30 20:04 -0800
                Re: W12 release? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-31 11:10 -0700
                  Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-31 11:10 -0800
                    Re: W12 release? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-02-01 01:42 -0700
                      Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-02-01 10:02 -0800
                        Re: W12 release? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-02-01 12:54 -0700
              Re: W12 release? "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-01-30 17:07 -0500
                Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-30 14:27 -0800
                Re: W12 release? Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-01-31 22:31 +0000
              Re: W12 release? Ali Mirza <ali.mirza@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-31 01:25 +0000
                Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-30 18:44 -0800
                Re: W12 release? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-31 11:16 -0700
                  Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-31 11:11 -0800
          Re: W12 release? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-21 21:58 -0700
            Re: W12 release? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-22 01:27 -0500
              Re: W12 release? ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-22 13:40 -0700
          Re: W12 release? "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-01-22 19:13 +0100
          Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-22 14:32 -0800
        Re: W12 release? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-22 08:12 +0000
          Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-22 14:35 -0800
            Re: W12 release? Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-23 07:54 +0000
    Re: W12 release? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-22 09:07 -0500
      Re: W12 release? Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-22 14:57 -0500
        Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-22 14:43 -0800
      Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-22 14:42 -0800
    Re: W12 release? Sam E <no.email@here.invalid> - 2025-01-22 17:43 +0000
      Re: W12 release? T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-22 14:43 -0800

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#16646

On 1/30/25 6:54 PM, Paul wrote:
> On Thu, 1/30/2025 8:27 PM, T wrote:
> 
>>
>> I have got a few customers that get five ads pop up on
>> their log on screen.  This explains why I see it sometimes
>> and not others
> 
> Have you disabled stuff in Notifications ?
> 
> I would guess most advertising leakage is coming
> in through existing marketing tunnels.

No fooling!

> They always use deceptive language of the "features"
> that are doing that, to increase the challenge.

M$'s marketing executives: a cross between a weasel
and a cockroach.

Windows Vista:  the most compatible Windows ever!
Windows 10 will be the last release of Windows!

> I did have the "like what you see" stuff come
> back to some lock screen, even though I thought
> that stuff had been successfully turned off.
> 
>     Paul

The lock screen log is where I saw it come up too.

Gee I wonder how M$ got the tips about what
to pop up?  Oh no spying here.  Nothing to
complain about.  No privacy or security concerns.
Move along.

Had the customer clicked something, he would not
have told me out of embarrassment.

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#16650

T wrote on 1/30/25 2:43 PM:
> On 1/30/25 2:11 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
>> On 22/01/2025 1:27 pm, Me wrote:
>>> On 21/01/2025 20:04, Paul wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you remember how long it took to release 24H2 ?
>>>> It took forever.
>>>
>>> No it was released on time or some would say before time.
>>>
>>> YYH2 versions are always released late September to early November and
>>> it has always been the case.
>>>
>>> Talking of W12 is premature because Microsoft has other priorities.
>>> Microsoft wants to rebrand everything as CoPilot. For example MO365 is
>>> now called "Microsoft 365 Copilot"
>>
>> (As a New user of Win 11 upgrading from Win-7) What is Copilot all 
>> about?? Am I likely to Want/Need to use anything "Copilot" rather than 
>> just plain old ordinary Win 11??
> 
> It is an AI that monitors what you do, reports everything back to
> M$, M$ sell this information to advertisers and others, then CoPilot
> will start popping up s*** for your to buy, based on what the
> advertisers pay them
> 
> CoPilot is another attempt by M$ to change the user from the
> customer to the product.  Get rid of it.

More false information.
  - you really don't know or understand how CoPilot works, integrates, 
currently functions in Windows, Office or Edge.

-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16653

On 1/31/25 10:10 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>
>> CoPilot is another attempt by M$ to change the user from the
>> customer to the product.  Get rid of it.
> 
> More false information.
>   - you really don't know or understand how CoPilot works, integrates, 
> currently functions in Windows, Office or Edge.


Hi w¡ñ§±¤ñ,

 From the belly of the beast itself:

Copilot in the Microsoft Advertising Platform

https://about.ads.microsoft.com/en/tools/productivity/copilot-in-microsoft-advertising

Hmmmmmmm.  How do you think that happens?

-T

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#16666

T wrote on 1/31/25 12:10 PM:
> On 1/31/25 10:10 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>
>>> CoPilot is another attempt by M$ to change the user from the
>>> customer to the product.  Get rid of it.
>>
>> More false information.
>>   - you really don't know or understand how CoPilot works, integrates, 
>> currently functions in Windows, Office or Edge.
> 
> 
> Hi w¡ñ§±¤ñ,
> 
>  From the belly of the beast itself:
> 
> Copilot in the Microsoft Advertising Platform
> 
> https://about.ads.microsoft.com/en/tools/productivity/copilot-in-microsoft-advertising 
> 
> 
> Hmmmmmmm.  How do you think that happens?
> 
> -T

No need to answer your 'happens' query.
The point made was that your earlier comment, whether based on ignorance, 
opinion, or perception formed from reading elsewhere is false(posting, 
whining, bs).
  "It is an AI that monitors what you do, reports everything back to
M$, M$ sell this information to advertisers and others, then CoPilot
will start popping up s*** for your to buy, based on what the
advertisers pay them".

At this time, the three closest relationships not even a area of your 
unproven theory is:
  - monitoring focused on abuse compliance with data privacy policies(no 
review of user prompts and responses unless a suspioion of violating 
terms of use, service, and/or security.
  - CoPilot end users(business) can utilize the CoPilot results for their 
own marketing objectives.
  - Enterprise monitoring(not MSFT) - CoPilot usage within an 
organization(i.e admin controlled on organization servers). Ability to 
use CoPilot is an admin controlled permission per enabled user.


-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16684

On 2/1/25 12:42 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> T wrote on 1/31/25 12:10 PM:
>> On 1/31/25 10:10 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>>
>>>> CoPilot is another attempt by M$ to change the user from the
>>>> customer to the product.  Get rid of it.
>>>
>>> More false information.
>>>   - you really don't know or understand how CoPilot works, 
>>> integrates, currently functions in Windows, Office or Edge.
>>
>>
>> Hi w¡ñ§±¤ñ,
>>
>>  From the belly of the beast itself:
>>
>> Copilot in the Microsoft Advertising Platform
>>
>> https://about.ads.microsoft.com/en/tools/productivity/copilot-in- 
>> microsoft-advertising
>>
>> Hmmmmmmm.  How do you think that happens?
>>
>> -T
> 
> No need to answer your 'happens' query.
> The point made was that your earlier comment, whether based on 
> ignorance, opinion, or perception formed from reading elsewhere is 
> false(posting, whining, bs).
>   "It is an AI that monitors what you do, reports everything back to
> M$, M$ sell this information to advertisers and others, then CoPilot
> will start popping up s*** for your to buy, based on what the
> advertisers pay them".
> 
> At this time, the three closest relationships not even a area of your 
> unproven theory is:
>   - monitoring focused on abuse compliance with data privacy policies(no 
> review of user prompts and responses unless a suspioion of violating 
> terms of use, service, and/or security.
>   - CoPilot end users(business) can utilize the CoPilot results for 
> their own marketing objectives.
>   - Enterprise monitoring(not MSFT) - CoPilot usage within an 
> organization(i.e admin controlled on organization servers). Ability to 
> use CoPilot is an admin controlled permission per enabled user.
> 
> 

You are shilling for M$. CoPilot is clearly spyware or it
could not be used for advertising campaigns.

Copilot in the Microsoft Advertising Platform

https://about.ads.microsoft.com/en/tools/productivity/copilot-in- 
microsoft-advertising

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#16687

T wrote on 2/1/25 11:02 AM:
> On 2/1/25 12:42 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>> T wrote on 1/31/25 12:10 PM:
>>> On 1/31/25 10:10 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> CoPilot is another attempt by M$ to change the user from the
>>>>> customer to the product.  Get rid of it.
>>>>
>>>> More false information.
>>>>   - you really don't know or understand how CoPilot works, 
>>>> integrates, currently functions in Windows, Office or Edge.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi w¡ñ§±¤ñ,
>>>
>>>  From the belly of the beast itself:
>>>
>>> Copilot in the Microsoft Advertising Platform
>>>
>>> https://about.ads.microsoft.com/en/tools/productivity/copilot-in- 
>>> microsoft-advertising
>>>
>>> Hmmmmmmm.  How do you think that happens?
>>>
>>> -T
>>
>> No need to answer your 'happens' query.
>> The point made was that your earlier comment, whether based on 
>> ignorance, opinion, or perception formed from reading elsewhere is 
>> false(posting, whining, bs).
>>   "It is an AI that monitors what you do, reports everything back to
>> M$, M$ sell this information to advertisers and others, then CoPilot
>> will start popping up s*** for your to buy, based on what the
>> advertisers pay them".
>>
>> At this time, the three closest relationships not even a area of your 
>> unproven theory is:
>>   - monitoring focused on abuse compliance with data privacy 
>> policies(no review of user prompts and responses unless a suspioion of 
>> violating terms of use, service, and/or security.
>>   - CoPilot end users(business) can utilize the CoPilot results for 
>> their own marketing objectives.
>>   - Enterprise monitoring(not MSFT) - CoPilot usage within an 
>> organization(i.e admin controlled on organization servers). Ability to 
>> use CoPilot is an admin controlled permission per enabled user.
>>
>>
> 
> You are shilling for M$. CoPilot is clearly spyware or it
> could not be used for advertising campaigns.
> 
> Copilot in the Microsoft Advertising Platform
> 

<https://about.ads.microsoft.com/en/tools/productivity/copilot-in-microsoft-advertising> 



No, just have a better understanding and knowledgeable network of 
contacts on how the current CoPilot works, functions, captures, uses data.

Try rereading the link you provided for the scope and who it applies too.

p.s. your link(above is fixed to avoid breaking when wrapped. Do you know 
how to prevent that?


-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16636

On 1/30/25 05:11 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 22/01/2025 1:27 pm, Me wrote:
>> On 21/01/2025 20:04, Paul wrote:
>>
>>> Do you remember how long it took to release 24H2 ?
>>> It took forever.
>>
>> No it was released on time or some would say before time.
>>
>> YYH2 versions are always released late September to early November and
>> it has always been the case.
>>
>> Talking of W12 is premature because Microsoft has other priorities.
>> Microsoft wants to rebrand everything as CoPilot. For example MO365 is
>> now called "Microsoft 365 Copilot"
> 
> (As a New user of Win 11 upgrading from Win-7) What is Copilot all about?? Am I likely to 
> Want/Need to use anything "Copilot" rather than just plain old ordinary Win 11??
I use copilot in the Edge browser on Linux to ask questions.  It's a bit more informal 
than google or brave, and I can ask questions a bit more obtuse than 'how long is the 
river?' stuff.   And if it's answer isn't quite what I wanted, I can ask for it to 
re-flavor the answer.   It seems to scrape the internet for multiple answers and compiles 
the best one answer.  I don't have to read down a 5 page list of links.

I like asking it to write small scripts for me to run, scripts in linux like batch files 
in Windows.

I'm also cleaning house on movies and I've been asking it 'how to convert a to b' and the 
answer made a reference that it was not a lossless conversion.  So my next request is 'how 
can I do it lossless then?' and it gave me a better answer.

I like it alot, and if Microsoft wants to know I like movies and converting them, then 
fine!   My theory is that most searches for answers are going to hit something sucking up 
your actions.  I'm not that paranoid to worry.   And I've to this day not seen any junk 
being sold to me or pushed at me.   Other than I got on a mailing list from one of the 
local political representatives.  I think I did something stupid like signed a petition. 
(dummy).

-- 
Linux Mint 22.1, Cinnamon 6.4.6,  Kernel 6.8.0-52-generic
Thunderbird 128.6.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 134.0.2
Alan K.

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#16638

On 1/30/25 2:07 PM, Alan K. wrote:
> On 1/30/25 05:11 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
>> On 22/01/2025 1:27 pm, Me wrote:
>>> On 21/01/2025 20:04, Paul wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you remember how long it took to release 24H2 ?
>>>> It took forever.
>>>
>>> No it was released on time or some would say before time.
>>>
>>> YYH2 versions are always released late September to early November and
>>> it has always been the case.
>>>
>>> Talking of W12 is premature because Microsoft has other priorities.
>>> Microsoft wants to rebrand everything as CoPilot. For example MO365 is
>>> now called "Microsoft 365 Copilot"
>>
>> (As a New user of Win 11 upgrading from Win-7) What is Copilot all 
>> about?? Am I likely to Want/Need to use anything "Copilot" rather than 
>> just plain old ordinary Win 11??
> I use copilot in the Edge browser on Linux to ask questions.  It's a bit 
> more informal than google or brave, and I can ask questions a bit more 
> obtuse than 'how long is the river?' stuff.   And if it's answer isn't 
> quite what I wanted, I can ask for it to re-flavor the answer.   It 
> seems to scrape the internet for multiple answers and compiles the best 
> one answer.  I don't have to read down a 5 page list of links.
> 
> I like asking it to write small scripts for me to run, scripts in linux 
> like batch files in Windows.
> 
> I'm also cleaning house on movies and I've been asking it 'how to 
> convert a to b' and the answer made a reference that it was not a 
> lossless conversion.  So my next request is 'how can I do it lossless 
> then?' and it gave me a better answer.
> 
> I like it alot, and if Microsoft wants to know I like movies and 
> converting them, then fine!   My theory is that most searches for 
> answers are going to hit something sucking up your actions.  I'm not 
> that paranoid to worry.   And I've to this day not seen any junk being 
> sold to me or pushed at me.   Other than I got on a mailing list from 
> one of the local political representatives.  I think I did something 
> stupid like signed a petition. (dummy).
> 


Try search.brave.com.  The have an AI too and I have
had good luck with it.  Well mostly.  A few times it
really screws up.

And it does not spy on you.

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#16657

On 30/01/2025 22:07, Alan K. wrote:
> I use copilot in the Edge browser on Linux to ask questions.  It's a bit 
> more informal than google or brave, and I can ask questions a bit more 
> obtuse than 'how long is the river?' stuff.   And if it's answer isn't 
> quite what I wanted, I can ask for it to re-flavor the answer.   It 
> ...<snip>

My favourites at the moment are chat.deepseek.com and perplexity.ai

Co-Pilot does seem pretty good at the moment though.

-- 
Brian Gregory (in England).

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#16643

On 30/01/2025 10:11, Daniel70 wrote:

> (As a New user of Win 11 upgrading from Win-7) What is Copilot all 
> about?? Am I likely to Want/Need to use anything "Copilot" rather than 
> just plain old ordinary Win 11??


You have already asked this in another thread and you got many responses 
about this, mostly nonsense stuff. The fact is if you don't know 
anything about it and you are not prepared to try it or research 
yourself then the best thing is to not bother with it. Ignorance is 
always a bliss!

That idiot called T said "M$ sell this information to advertisers and 
others". This is completely untrue. Microsoft never sells users details 
to anybody. It is not worth it for Microsoft to bother with petty cash 
amounts.

You will have noticed that most people who responded have already made 
up their mind without using it themselves. It is up to you to let them 
control your decision or you will grow up and learn to decide for your 
self. These newsgroups are not the place to get advice for such things.

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#16644

On 1/30/25 5:25 PM, Ali Mirza wrote:
> On 30/01/2025 10:11, Daniel70 wrote:
> 
>> (As a New user of Win 11 upgrading from Win-7) What is Copilot all
>> about?? Am I likely to Want/Need to use anything "Copilot" rather than
>> just plain old ordinary Win 11??
> 
> 
> You have already asked this in another thread and you got many responses
> about this, mostly nonsense stuff. The fact is if you don't know
> anything about it and you are not prepared to try it or research
> yourself then the best thing is to not bother with it. Ignorance is
> always a bliss!
> 
> That idiot called T said "M$ sell this information to advertisers and
> others". This is completely untrue. Microsoft never sells users details
> to anybody. It is not worth it for Microsoft to bother with petty cash
> amounts.
> 
> You will have noticed that most people who responded have already made
> up their mind without using it themselves. It is up to you to let them
> control your decision or you will grow up and learn to decide for your
> self. These newsgroups are not the place to get advice for such things.
> 
> 
> 

Hi Ali,

Name calling.  This will win you a lot of friends.

Oh and from the belly of the beast itself:

Copilot in the Microsoft Advertising Platform

https://about.ads.microsoft.com/en/tools/productivity/copilot-in-microsoft-advertising

Hmmmmmmm.  How do you think that happens?

Your favorite idiot,
-T

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#16651

Ali Mirza wrote on 1/30/25 6:25 PM:
> On 30/01/2025 10:11, Daniel70 wrote:
> 
>> (As a New user of Win 11 upgrading from Win-7) What is Copilot all
>> about?? Am I likely to Want/Need to use anything "Copilot" rather than
>> just plain old ordinary Win 11??
> 
> 
> You have already asked this in another thread and you got many responses
> about this, mostly nonsense stuff. The fact is if you don't know
> anything about it and you are not prepared to try it or research
> yourself then the best thing is to not bother with it. Ignorance is
> always a bliss!
> 
> That idiot called T said "M$ sell this information to advertisers and
> others". This is completely untrue. Microsoft never sells users details
> to anybody. It is not worth it for Microsoft to bother with petty cash
> amounts.
> 
> You will have noticed that most people who responded have already made
> up their mind without using it themselves. It is up to you to let them
> control your decision or you will grow up and learn to decide for your
> self. These newsgroups are not the place to get advice for such things.
> 
> 
> 
Correct.
  Nttp forums are notorious for misinformation, fear mongering 
opinions(what if, this does this, this does that' etc.) based on 
ignorance and/or information(more false, what if stuff) read elsewhere.



-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16654

On 1/31/25 10:16 AM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>   Nttp forums are notorious for misinformation, fear mongering 
> opinions(what if, this does this, this does that' etc.) based on 
> ignorance and/or information(more false, what if stuff) read elsewhere.


On the bright side, no marketing weasels censoring you

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#16454

Paul wrote on 1/21/25 1:04 PM:
> On Tue, 1/21/2025 1:50 PM, T wrote:
>> On 1/21/25 10:04 AM, s|b wrote:
>>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 20:15:13 -0800, T wrote:
>>>
>>>> I do not suppose M$ will release W12 in time for the
>>>> October 2024 end of support for W10?
>>>
>>> What about hardwire requirements? Every W10 I've tested didn't have the
>>> right hardware for an upgrade to W11, let alone W12.
>>>
>>
>>
>> I am trying to get around my PCI people on W10 having
>> to upgrade all the hardware for W11 just to have W11
>> expire in two years again
>>
>> Be nice to just do one hardware & software upgrade
>> instead of two
> 
> When you needed it, the W12 might not be "ripe".
> 
> Staggered is the right answer.
> 
> Do you remember how long it took to release 24H2 ?
> It took forever. They might "finish" W12, then have
> an extended testing period.
> 
>     Paul
> 
:)
If there's a 25H2 then its EOS would be 2027
  - which would likely yield W12 in Oct 2026.

Similar to Win10 to Win11, a lot of the bits(old and new) are already in 
the former!
  i.e. W12 testing is probably occurring right now in 24H2 and even more 
so in Build 27774(Canary).


-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16456

On Tue, 1/21/2025 11:58 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  wrote:
> Paul wrote on 1/21/25 1:04 PM:
>> On Tue, 1/21/2025 1:50 PM, T wrote:
>>> On 1/21/25 10:04 AM, s|b wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 20:15:13 -0800, T wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I do not suppose M$ will release W12 in time for the
>>>>> October 2024 end of support for W10?
>>>>
>>>> What about hardwire requirements? Every W10 I've tested didn't have the
>>>> right hardware for an upgrade to W11, let alone W12.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am trying to get around my PCI people on W10 having
>>> to upgrade all the hardware for W11 just to have W11
>>> expire in two years again
>>>
>>> Be nice to just do one hardware & software upgrade
>>> instead of two
>>
>> When you needed it, the W12 might not be "ripe".
>>
>> Staggered is the right answer.
>>
>> Do you remember how long it took to release 24H2 ?
>> It took forever. They might "finish" W12, then have
>> an extended testing period.
>>
>>     Paul
>>
> :)
> If there's a 25H2 then its EOS would be 2027
>  - which would likely yield W12 in Oct 2026.
> 
> Similar to Win10 to Win11, a lot of the bits(old and new) are already in the former!
>  i.e. W12 testing is probably occurring right now in 24H2 and even more so in Build 27774(Canary).

So your hypothesis, is that the new OS won't have any content.

Right now, there is only one certified NPU, Recall hasn't shipped,
and they've just announced that a tranche of developers have
been "sent to do AI". Like, sent this week kind of thing.

And they're re-inflating Clippy in the basement of the Microsoft building.

   Paul

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#16462

Paul wrote on 1/21/25 11:27 PM:
> On Tue, 1/21/2025 11:58 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  wrote:
>> Paul wrote on 1/21/25 1:04 PM:
>>> On Tue, 1/21/2025 1:50 PM, T wrote:
>>>> On 1/21/25 10:04 AM, s|b wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 20:15:13 -0800, T wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not suppose M$ will release W12 in time for the
>>>>>> October 2024 end of support for W10?
>>>>>
>>>>> What about hardwire requirements? Every W10 I've tested didn't have the
>>>>> right hardware for an upgrade to W11, let alone W12.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am trying to get around my PCI people on W10 having
>>>> to upgrade all the hardware for W11 just to have W11
>>>> expire in two years again
>>>>
>>>> Be nice to just do one hardware & software upgrade
>>>> instead of two
>>>
>>> When you needed it, the W12 might not be "ripe".
>>>
>>> Staggered is the right answer.
>>>
>>> Do you remember how long it took to release 24H2 ?
>>> It took forever. They might "finish" W12, then have
>>> an extended testing period.
>>>
>>>      Paul
>>>
>> :)
>> If there's a 25H2 then its EOS would be 2027
>>   - which would likely yield W12 in Oct 2026.
>>
>> Similar to Win10 to Win11, a lot of the bits(old and new) are already in the former!
>>   i.e. W12 testing is probably occurring right now in 24H2 and even more so in Build 27774(Canary).
> 
> So your hypothesis, is that the new OS won't have any content.
> 
> Right now, there is only one certified NPU, Recall hasn't shipped,
> and they've just announced that a tranche of developers have
> been "sent to do AI". Like, sent this week kind of thing.
> 
> And they're re-inflating Clippy in the basement of the Microsoft building.
> 
>     Paul
> 

:) I didn't specifically state 'won't have any content'

Only that bits for the next have routinely been included in the current. 
Even more so for the annual release of the same version.

-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#16460

On Tue, 21 Jan 2025 15:04:25 -0500, Paul wrote:

> Do you remember how long it took to release 24H2 ?
> It took forever. They might "finish" W12, then have
> an extended testing period.

They're still rolling it out. Yesterday, I was offered to upgrade to
24H2.

-- 
s|b

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#16463

On 1/21/25 12:04 PM, Paul wrote:
> When you needed it, the W12 might not be "ripe".

Chuckle.  I am admiring your eloquent choice
of words to paint the perfect description.

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#16457

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 1/21/25 10:04 AM, s|b wrote:
>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2025 20:15:13 -0800, T wrote:
>> 
>>> I do not suppose M$ will release W12 in time for the
>>> October 2024 end of support for W10?
>> 
>> What about hardwire requirements? Every W10 I've tested didn't have the
>> right hardware for an upgrade to W11, let alone W12.
>> 
> 
> 
> I am trying to get around my PCI people on W10 having
> to upgrade all the hardware for W11 just to have W11
> expire in two years again

I doubt very much win 11 will disappear in two years. Many orgs - including
mine - haven't transitioned away from win10 yet. 

> Be nice to just do one hardware & software upgrade
> instead of two
> 

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#16465

On 1/22/25 12:12 AM, Chris wrote:
> I doubt very much win 11 will disappear in two years. Many orgs - including
> mine - haven't transitioned away from win10 yet.


https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-11-home-and-pro

W11 Version 	Start Date 	End Date
Version 24H2 	Oct 1, 2024 	Oct 13, 2026

Maybe a 25H2 will extend that.

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