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| Started by | CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> |
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| First post | 2024-12-19 20:03 -0500 |
| Last post | 2024-12-25 16:19 -0500 |
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The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 20:03 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 19:55 -0700
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 16:52 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-21 07:26 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 23:15 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-23 23:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 11:48 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-25 06:54 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-25 20:39 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-27 22:23 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-12-27 11:31 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-28 07:04 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 16:53 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-28 19:34 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 15:07 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 15:12 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 17:11 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 17:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 13:16 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 14:24 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 15:39 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 16:06 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 17:10 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 17:39 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 18:58 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 19:10 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 19:21 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:55 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 18:02 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 18:35 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 19:51 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 20:00 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-29 22:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 03:48 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 19:55 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2024-12-29 20:15 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-29 21:49 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Jack Sovalot <hee-cawkforme@jack.sovalot> - 2024-12-30 04:06 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 08:31 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-30 19:12 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:53 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 21:06 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-31 11:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 01:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 20:52 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 17:02 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-01-18 11:54 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 18:46 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:51 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 09:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 00:53 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:42 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:44 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 23:14 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 10:09 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 00:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2024-12-29 01:43 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-28 20:52 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 07:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 06:58 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 21:17 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 20:41 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-29 23:31 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-30 10:56 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 03:24 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 13:50 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-31 13:18 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-31 19:14 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-01 07:44 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:22 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 19:36 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:27 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:16 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 18:50 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-30 02:30 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:55 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 07:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 01:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 16:15 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-29 16:39 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 21:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 19:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-12-29 22:30 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-30 07:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-30 12:53 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-30 04:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-30 13:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:56 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:25 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 00:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:45 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 19:31 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 00:15 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 05:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 22:03 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-04 04:50 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 08:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:42 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 01:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 10:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-04 21:13 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-04 21:50 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:39 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 00:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 01:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 03:04 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 16:07 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:22 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 08:23 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 22:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 00:12 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-07 02:10 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 14:12 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-08 02:26 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-08 13:28 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-08 21:28 +0000
[OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 01:50 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 03:01 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 03:25 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 06:47 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 08:20 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 21:18 -0500
[OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 02:34 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 22:08 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 22:34 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-05 07:19 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-05 10:39 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2025-01-05 03:39 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-05 08:13 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: The problem with not owning the software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-05 08:52 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 16:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 20:53 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-28 21:26 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 06:38 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 07:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2024-12-29 13:19 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 08:48 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-29 08:02 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 09:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:32 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-12-29 19:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-29 20:56 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-29 17:03 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 23:32 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2024-12-29 13:21 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-12-29 07:41 -0700
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 22:05 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-03 09:09 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-03 20:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-03 21:00 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-03 23:28 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 21:17 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 22:25 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:19 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-04 04:49 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 01:10 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:52 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-05 15:55 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:20 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 08:11 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 23:20 -0600
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-25 11:53 +0800
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2024-12-30 08:24 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-30 10:08 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:32 +0100
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 21:34 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 16:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 19:29 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:59 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-02 18:01 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 11:26 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-03 08:55 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 14:33 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 19:32 -0500
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-05 15:46 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:17 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-06 14:57 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:47 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:14 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 02:09 +0000
Re: The problem with not owning the software bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> - 2024-12-25 16:19 -0500
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 16:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl3reg$2runj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15826 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 08:25:01 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > >> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote: >> >>> I have a colleague who's done some amazing stuff in Excel using Visual >>> Basic Script (VBS); the PC I had at the time would fail just trying to >>> load the files; his beefy machine he had would take literally hours to >>> crunch through a set. A quick search shows that I still have an older >>> copy: it takes up 14.34GB on disk. Youch. >> >> Sounds horribly inefficient and virtually impossible to debug. I'd bet a >> decent python script would do it in minutes, with a tiny footprint and >> be reliable. > > Even Microsoft realizes that now. I presume you're referring to excel now including a python interpreter. I don't think it's much of an improvement.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 19:31 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl4578$2tjip$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15901 |
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 16:45:04 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 08:25:01 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >> >>> I'd bet a decent python script would do it in minutes, with a tiny >>> footprint and be reliable. >> >> Even Microsoft realizes that now. > > I presume you're referring to excel now including a python interpreter. > I don't think it's much of an improvement. Obviously Microsoft is expecting its users to think otherwise. And it wants to charge them for the privilege, so it must be expecting them to believe it’s an improvement worth paying extra money for. So either Python is that much better than VBA, or VBA is that much worse than Python. Take your pick. ;)
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-02 00:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ltm579FifenU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #15908 |
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 19:31:52 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > Obviously Microsoft is expecting its users to think otherwise. And it > wants to charge them for the privilege, so it must be expecting them to > believe it’s an improvement worth paying extra money for. That's only fair. It helps pay von Rossum's salary.
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-02 00:15 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vl57cv$36qpj$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15908 |
On Wed, 1/1/2025 2:31 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 16:45:04 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>
>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 08:25:01 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd bet a decent python script would do it in minutes, with a tiny
>>>> footprint and be reliable.
>>>
>>> Even Microsoft realizes that now.
>>
>> I presume you're referring to excel now including a python interpreter.
>> I don't think it's much of an improvement.
>
> Obviously Microsoft is expecting its users to think otherwise. And it
> wants to charge them for the privilege, so it must be expecting them to
> believe it’s an improvement worth paying extra money for.
>
> So either Python is that much better than VBA, or VBA is that much worse
> than Python. Take your pick. ;)
>
"Python in Excel is available in preview for Education users running the
Current Channel (Preview) through the Microsoft 365 Insider Program. It's
not currently available for the Semi-Annual Enterprise Channel.
It's rolling out to Excel for Windows first, and then to other platforms
at a later date.
"
And like the current Thunderbird rewrite activity, it's based on the notion
that "users want New and Shiny" and "abhor boomers and all they stand for".
Thus, the desired market demographic, is to shift to the younger crowd,
to keep the business running.
Python then, is just grabbing at the first shiny thing they can see.
There is an expectation that all the users have taken a Python course
at least once in their lives. Or, at least the people that count, have.
One of the benefits of using Python, is then LibreOffice can add that,
and files with scripting can be interchanged. It would solve a certain class
of problem we have with Excel, which is the exclusivity of VBA.
Paul
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-02 05:33 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl58fm$36ulr$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15946 |
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 00:15:11 -0500, Paul wrote: > One of the benefits of using Python, is then LibreOffice can add that, > and files with scripting can be interchanged. It would solve a certain > class of problem we have with Excel, which is the exclusivity of VBA. I wouldn’t hold your breath about that. I don’t think Microsoft is offering an API for accessing Office from Python comparable with LibreOffice’s PyUNO. Certainly nothing like that was mentioned on the referenced page.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-02 12:09 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl5vlk$3b63u$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15946 |
Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: > On Wed, 1/1/2025 2:31 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >> On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 16:45:04 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >> >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 30 Dec 2024 08:25:01 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'd bet a decent python script would do it in minutes, with a tiny >>>>> footprint and be reliable. >>>> >>>> Even Microsoft realizes that now. >>> >>> I presume you're referring to excel now including a python interpreter. >>> I don't think it's much of an improvement. >> >> Obviously Microsoft is expecting its users to think otherwise. And it >> wants to charge them for the privilege, so it must be expecting them to >> believe it’s an improvement worth paying extra money for. >> >> So either Python is that much better than VBA, or VBA is that much worse >> than Python. Take your pick. ;) >> > > "Python in Excel is available in preview for Education users running the > Current Channel (Preview) through the Microsoft 365 Insider Program. It's > not currently available for the Semi-Annual Enterprise Channel. > > It's rolling out to Excel for Windows first, and then to other platforms > at a later date. > " > > And like the current Thunderbird rewrite activity, it's based on the notion > that "users want New and Shiny" and "abhor boomers and all they stand for". > Thus, the desired market demographic, is to shift to the younger crowd, > to keep the business running. This has been MS's model for at least 30 years. Introducing features that 99% of people won't use and not fix bugs. > Python then, is just grabbing at the first shiny thing they can see. > There is an expectation that all the users have taken a Python course > at least once in their lives. Or, at least the people that count, have. Doubtful it'll be useful as python for excel won't be standard, but definition. > One of the benefits of using Python, is then LibreOffice can add that, > and files with scripting can be interchanged. It would solve a certain class > of problem we have with Excel, which is the exclusivity of VBA. Sorry, but that's hopelessly naive. LO should have stopped copying excel long ago and taken its users to a better spreadsheet experience. LO should work with Posit and build a proper analytical/statistical data platform based around R.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-02 22:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl72g8$3h9eh$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15961 |
On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:24 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > LO should have stopped copying excel long ago and taken its users to a > better spreadsheet experience. Actually, it already did. Note recommendation in this research paper <https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1008984>, that if you really must use a spreadsheet to work with important data, at least make it LibreOffice Calc and not Microsoft Excel. > LO should work with Posit and build a proper analytical/statistical data > platform based around R. We have that, too. It’s called Jupyter <https://jupyter.org/>.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-04 02:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vla6jr$61h7$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15997 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jan 2025 12:09:24 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > >> LO should have stopped copying excel long ago and taken its users to a >> better spreadsheet experience. > > Actually, it already did. Note recommendation in this research paper > <https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1008984>, > that if you really must use a spreadsheet to work with important data, > at least make it LibreOffice Calc and not Microsoft Excel. LO must have changed their behaviour as when I tested this many years ago when working with genomic data it behaved the same as excel. I noticed recently that excel finally has a toggle for date recognition and conversion. Which is way, way too late as it is a moot issue as the problematic gene names have officially been changed to circumvent excel: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41588-020-0669-3 >> LO should work with Posit and build a proper analytical/statistical data >> platform based around R. > > We have that, too. It’s called Jupyter <https://jupyter.org/>. Not user-friendly enough.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-04 04:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlaen8$au6q$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #16065 |
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 02:32:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> We have that, too. It’s called Jupyter <https://jupyter.org/>. > > Not user-friendly enough. If by “user-friendly” you mean “aimed at those accustomed to Microsoft mediocrity”, then you’d be right.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-04 08:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlassr$cv6i$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #16067 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 02:32:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> We have that, too. It’s called Jupyter <https://jupyter.org/>. >> >> Not user-friendly enough. > > If by “user-friendly” you mean “aimed at those accustomed to Microsoft > mediocrity”, then you’d be right. I mean if presented to someone for the first time do they have a fighting chance of creating *anything*. With jupyter that's a big fat nope. People aren't coders and typically don't want to be.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 00:42 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlckhr$mcpa$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #16068 |
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 08:52:43 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 02:32:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >> >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> We have that, too. It’s called Jupyter <https://jupyter.org/>. >>> >>> Not user-friendly enough. >> >> If by “user-friendly” you mean “aimed at those accustomed to Microsoft >> mediocrity”, then you’d be right. > > I mean if presented to someone for the first time do they have a > fighting chance of creating *anything*. With jupyter that's a big fat > nope. Which is why it’s so good you can use existing notebooks as a starting point. A notebook is not just something to look at, it’s something you can interact with. Here <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i40d8-Hu4vM> is an example of what can be done with Jupyter, for use by totally non-techy, quality-demanding, paying-customer types.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 01:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlclt6$mu8b$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #16088 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 08:52:43 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 02:32:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: >>> >>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> We have that, too. It’s called Jupyter <https://jupyter.org/>. >>>> >>>> Not user-friendly enough. >>> >>> If by “user-friendly” you mean “aimed at those accustomed to Microsoft >>> mediocrity”, then you’d be right. >> >> I mean if presented to someone for the first time do they have a >> fighting chance of creating *anything*. With jupyter that's a big fat >> nope. > > Which is why it’s so good you can use existing notebooks as a starting > point. A notebook is not just something to look at, it’s something you can > interact with. Which is where the problems start. A novice will edit something, fuck up the notebook, and have no idea how to fix it. > Here <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i40d8-Hu4vM> is an example of what > can be done with Jupyter, for use by totally non-techy, quality-demanding, > paying-customer types. I have no doubt that jupyter is awesome. In the right hands. Not for excel jockeys.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 02:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlcsj9$nnc8$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #16091 |
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 01:05:42 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > I have no doubt that jupyter is awesome. In the right hands. Not for > excel jockeys. That’s their fault for sticking to a mediocre tool that is only capable of mediocre results. Either the quality of such work is crucial to the success of the company employing them, or it is not. If it is, then they drag the whole company down relative to its smarter competitors. If it isn’t, then they are just deadweight.
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2025-01-04 10:01 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <O2ceP.256279$ZAue.230404@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #16067 |
On 2025-01-03 23:50, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 02:32:28 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> We have that, too. It’s called Jupyter <https://jupyter.org/>. >> >> Not user-friendly enough. > > If by “user-friendly” you mean “aimed at those accustomed to Microsoft > mediocrity”, then you’d be right. At first glance, there is a lot about Windows that is way more user-friendly than Linux. However, if you take something like Linux Mint and compare it to Windows 11, you'd wonder _how_ Windows 11 is friendlier. In Windows 11, some applications can't be removed and you don't get an idea why. Some Windows components aren't even listed in the applications so you have to wonder how to install or remove them. For drivers, they're installed through Windows Update but if they don't work right, you just have to know about the Device Manager which is impossible to find on your own because they're phasing out the Control Panel. Some programs are available through the Window Store, others through the web which means that some are repairable and easily uninstallable whereas the others aren't... and so on. For new users, Linux Mint is actually _much_ simpler than Windows is. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41 KDE supporting member
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-04 21:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlcbpm.vp8.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #16075 |
Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: [...] > At first glance, there is a lot about Windows that is way more > user-friendly than Linux. However, if you take something like Linux Mint > and compare it to Windows 11, you'd wonder _how_ Windows 11 is > friendlier. In Windows 11, some applications can't be removed and you > don't get an idea why. Some Windows components aren't even listed in the > applications so you have to wonder how to install or remove them. For > drivers, they're installed through Windows Update but if they don't work > right, you just have to know about the Device Manager which is > impossible to find on your own because they're phasing out the Control > Panel. Some programs are available through the Window Store, others > through the web which means that some are repairable and easily > uninstallable whereas the others aren't... and so on. For new users, > Linux Mint is actually _much_ simpler than Windows is. FWIW, IMO from a system management and system maintenace standpoint, Windows 11 (and 10 for that matter) is not user-friendly at all. Actually I would be hard-pressed to come up with anything in Windows 11 (itself, not applications/software for it) which is user-friendly. I think regular users (not 'geeks' like us) just try to run their 'applications' on it till it breaks and then give it to some acquaintance etc. or 'professional' to (try to) fix. Luckily, I have no such users in my circle of family, friends, etc.. Only one (heavy) Windows user, but he's an IT professional. Others are mostly Apple users (phones, tablets, laptops, 'desktops'), who mostly seem to get by without too many problems (or at least they don't bother me with them :-)).
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| From | snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) |
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| Date | 2025-01-04 21:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1r5nn2k.7m1rupwur1c6N%snipeco.2@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #16080 |
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: [...] > I think regular users (not 'geeks' like us) just try to run their > 'applications' on it till it breaks and then give it to some > acquaintance etc. or 'professional' to (try to) fix. > > Luckily, I have no such users in my circle of family, friends, etc.. > Only one (heavy) Windows user, but he's an IT professional. Others are > mostly Apple users (phones, tablets, laptops, 'desktops'), who mostly > seem to get by without too many problems (or at least they don't bother > me with them :-)). > [OT] That's the great thing about Apple: from the users' viewpoint it all "just works". There's not much need to get the screwdriver out at all. What's more, Apple kit interoperates within the Apple ecosystem without difficulty. So what if it's a walled garden. You get what you paid for, that's why Apple kit is worth its high price. Over the years I've migrated from DOS via Windows (3.1 to NT) to Linux (many flavours) and finally via Mac OS X to macOS. I keep instances of Linux and Windows in VMs for the occasional job where there isn't a Mac program for it, so I do have some experience. When you get tired of banging the side of the box to make things work, the reliabilty of Apple is blessed relief. [relurk] -- ^Ï^. Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS My pet rock Gordon just is.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 00:39 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlckcq$mcpa$9@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #16082 |
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 21:50:21 +0000, Sn!pe wrote: > [OT] That's the great thing about Apple: from the users' viewpoint it > all "just works". Until it doesn’t. Why do you think Mac users feel the need for something like Homebrew? That adds Linux-style package-manager functionality that is missing from macOS. Because without it, trying to install open-source software turns into a complete nightmare.
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| From | Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 00:59 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlclhu$ms2g$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #16087 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 21:50:21 +0000, Sn!pe wrote: > >> [OT] That's the great thing about Apple: from the users' viewpoint it >> all "just works". > > Until it doesn’t. Why do you think Mac users feel the need for something > like Homebrew? It's for power users familiar with apt or yum on linux. I doubt very much typical users have any idea what Homebrew is. > That adds Linux-style package-manager functionality that is > missing from macOS. Because without it, trying to install open-source > software turns into a complete nightmare. Hardly.
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| From | snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 01:52 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <1r5nzsq.1tp0lc7cd9h1rN%snipeco.2@gmail.com> |
| In reply to | #16090 |
Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > > On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 21:50:21 +0000, Sn!pe wrote: > > > >> [OT] That's the great thing about Apple: from the users' viewpoint it > >> all "just works". > >> > > > > Until it doesn't. Why do you think Mac users feel the need for something > > like Homebrew? > > > > It's for power users familiar with apt or yum on linux. I doubt very much > typical users have any idea what Homebrew is. > Exactly so. > > > > That adds Linux-style package-manager functionality that is > > missing from macOS. Because without it, trying to install open-source > > software turns into a complete nightmare. > > > > Hardly. > Quite. -- ^Ï^. Sn!pe, PTB, FIBS My pet rock Gordon just is.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-05 03:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vlcsrd$nnc8$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #16090 |
On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 00:59:42 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> That adds Linux-style package-manager functionality that is missing >> from macOS. Because without it, trying to install open-source software >> turns into a complete nightmare. > > Hardly. Pro tip: a denial is not a refutation.
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