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| Started by | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| First post | 2024-12-31 19:08 +0000 |
| Last post | 2025-01-07 02:07 +0000 |
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This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-31 19:08 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 15:19 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2024-12-31 15:41 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 21:09 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 21:40 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 22:14 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 22:16 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2024-12-31 22:46 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-01 07:50 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-01 08:37 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-01-01 09:20 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-01 10:06 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-01 23:31 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-01 19:26 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 19:14 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-01 09:38 -0600
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Gregg Fowler <totsob@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-01 14:45 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-01 10:20 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 11:42 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 19:28 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 14:34 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-01 18:17 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 18:30 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-01 19:23 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 20:10 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-02 08:32 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-02 19:00 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-02 15:04 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 15:18 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 20:10 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 23:46 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 00:15 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-02 08:58 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 12:11 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-01 23:38 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 18:54 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-01 19:28 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 23:59 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 00:16 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 05:31 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-02 18:21 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:55 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 10:18 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-03 21:25 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-04 13:06 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 09:48 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:28 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2025-01-04 21:16 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:44 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-04 13:29 -0700
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-02 08:55 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 19:22 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-02 15:04 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-03 01:58 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-02 22:12 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-03 08:41 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-03 07:16 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-03 20:24 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-03 15:38 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 22:36 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 11:26 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-03 06:13 -0600
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 13:47 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-03 21:26 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-03 20:24 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-01-04 06:43 -0600
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-04 10:20 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-04 13:47 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-04 13:16 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:26 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-05 14:35 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:15 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-06 14:47 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 20:20 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 20:21 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-02 18:50 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:57 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-02 22:41 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 10:37 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 10:28 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-01 20:19 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 15:24 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-01 21:14 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-01 17:10 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 00:19 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 22:12 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-02 19:26 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-01 23:53 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-01 21:54 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 22:42 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 05:29 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-02 18:39 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-02 21:56 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-03 10:18 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-03 21:27 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-01-26 19:07 +1100
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-27 17:14 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-12-31 20:45 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-01-01 01:27 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2024-12-31 21:33 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-01 13:45 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-01-02 13:50 +0100
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> - 2025-01-02 09:47 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-02 10:37 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-03 05:20 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-03 16:48 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-04 20:32 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> - 2025-01-05 01:39 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-01-05 00:43 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-05 02:45 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-01-08 00:00 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-05 14:14 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 00:15 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-05 22:29 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-06 06:29 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-01-08 00:09 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-08 02:24 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-01-07 22:44 -0500
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-01-09 09:02 -0700
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-06 14:48 +0000
Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-07 02:07 +0000
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 19:08 +0000 |
| Subject | This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing |
| Message-ID | <vl1ff6$2c41l$1@dont-email.me> |
Yet another <https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-windows-11-24h2-bug-could-block-future-security-updates-see-whos-affected/> in the ongoing stream of bugs from Microsoft resulting from the Windows update process itself. This one breaks the ability to receive further security updates. So once you get it, how do you get an update to fix it? Particularly when there have already been updates that kept introducing their own new bugs?
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 15:19 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <8bk8njhp31eu4pri07cppsk95sfkcrtr2h@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #15848 |
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >Yet another ><https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-windows-11-24h2-bug-could-block-future-security-updates-see-whos-affected/> >in the ongoing stream of bugs from Microsoft resulting from the >Windows update process itself. This one breaks the ability to receive >further security updates. So once you get it, how do you get an update >to fix it? Particularly when there have already been updates that kept >introducing their own new bugs? Just incompetent, isn't it? Why do they keep making the same mistakes, again and again, releasing beta software as if it's ready for prime time. In 2019 it was what caused me to switch to Linux for the first lengthy time (I'd installed it a few times but never used it long-term). -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 15:41 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing |
| Message-ID | <vl1kt3$2d197$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15858 |
On 12/31/24 03:19 PM, Joel wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> Yet another >> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-windows-11-24h2-bug-could-block-future-security-updates-see-whos-affected/> >> in the ongoing stream of bugs from Microsoft resulting from the >> Windows update process itself. This one breaks the ability to receive >> further security updates. So once you get it, how do you get an update >> to fix it? Particularly when there have already been updates that kept >> introducing their own new bugs? > > > Just incompetent, isn't it? Why do they keep making the same > mistakes, again and again, releasing beta software as if it's ready > for prime time. In 2019 it was what caused me to switch to Linux for > the first lengthy time (I'd installed it a few times but never used it > long-term). > It's probably because none of them use it 24/7 or even 10 hours a day? IIHO if they did, they would see more issues. -- Linux Mint 22, Cinnamon 6.2.9, Kernel 6.8.0-51-generic Thunderbird 128.5.2esr, Mozilla Firefox 133.0.3 Alan K.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 21:09 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing |
| Message-ID | <vl1q21.7ro.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #15861 |
Alan K. <alan@invalid.com> wrote: > On 12/31/24 03:19 PM, Joel wrote: > > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > > > >> Yet another > >> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-windows-11-24h2-bug-could-block-future-security-updates-see-whos-affected/> > >> in the ongoing stream of bugs from Microsoft resulting from the > >> Windows update process itself. This one breaks the ability to receive > >> further security updates. So once you get it, how do you get an update > >> to fix it? Particularly when there have already been updates that kept > >> introducing their own new bugs? > > > > Just incompetent, isn't it? Why do they keep making the same > > mistakes, again and again, releasing beta software as if it's ready > > for prime time. In 2019 it was what caused me to switch to Linux for > > the first lengthy time (I'd installed it a few times but never used it > > long-term). > > > It's probably because none of them use it 24/7 or even 10 hours a day? > IIHO if they did, they would see more issues. Yes, the problem is that for home/personal/<whatever> use, *'we'* are the beta-testers. Where 'we' are those users who tinker to a smaller to larger extent. Normal users, who just buy complete systems and let them run, normally do not encounter these 'corner cases'. Pity for 'us', good for 'them'. And in a business environment, there is (read: should be) no way that IT departments let random updates loose on their tens/hundreds/thousands/ hundreds_of_thousands of systems.
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 21:40 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing |
| Message-ID | <5W1dP.111423$Uup4.14669@fx10.iad> |
| In reply to | #15858 |
On 2024-12-31 15:19, Joel wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >> Yet another >> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-windows-11-24h2-bug-could-block-future-security-updates-see-whos-affected/> >> in the ongoing stream of bugs from Microsoft resulting from the >> Windows update process itself. This one breaks the ability to receive >> further security updates. So once you get it, how do you get an update >> to fix it? Particularly when there have already been updates that kept >> introducing their own new bugs? > > > Just incompetent, isn't it? Why do they keep making the same > mistakes, again and again, releasing beta software as if it's ready > for prime time. In 2019 it was what caused me to switch to Linux for > the first lengthy time (I'd installed it a few times but never used it > long-term). We all have reasons to switch to Linux. When you're window shopping as most of us are when it comes to the operating system, it's hard to find the motivation to stick to it when we encounter the first few bugs. In your case, it was how slow 11 was making your new hardware feel; for me, it was the knowledge that the corporations involved had no interest in fixing a three-year-old bug that made using the operating system intolerable. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41 KDE supporting member
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 22:14 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing |
| Message-ID | <4kc9nj56fajv20c6aev6n3cuonnm29iqit@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #15880 |
Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: >On 2024-12-31 15:19, Joel wrote: >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Yet another >>> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-windows-11-24h2-bug-could-block-future-security-updates-see-whos-affected/> >>> in the ongoing stream of bugs from Microsoft resulting from the >>> Windows update process itself. This one breaks the ability to receive >>> further security updates. So once you get it, how do you get an update >>> to fix it? Particularly when there have already been updates that kept >>> introducing their own new bugs? >> >> Just incompetent, isn't it? Why do they keep making the same >> mistakes, again and again, releasing beta software as if it's ready >> for prime time. In 2019 it was what caused me to switch to Linux for >> the first lengthy time (I'd installed it a few times but never used it >> long-term). > >We all have reasons to switch to Linux. When you're window shopping as >most of us are when it comes to the operating system, it's hard to find >the motivation to stick to it when we encounter the first few bugs. In >your case, it was how slow 11 was making your new hardware feel; for me, >it was the knowledge that the corporations involved had no interest in >fixing a three-year-old bug that made using the operating system >intolerable. Win11 23H2 was overweight, on a machine that was ideal to upgrade to Win11 21H2. That is just ridiculous. Two years. Is that an eternity, or something? I like Microsoft in the abstract, I think they're innovators, I think they do some useful things. But that is irrelevant to my enjoyment of my machine. Win11 outgrew it in *no time*. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 22:16 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing |
| Message-ID | <fs2dP.96724$EYNf.67582@fx11.iad> |
| In reply to | #15882 |
On 2024-12-31 22:14, Joel wrote: > Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: >> On 2024-12-31 15:19, Joel wrote: >>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>> Yet another >>>> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-windows-11-24h2-bug-could-block-future-security-updates-see-whos-affected/> >>>> in the ongoing stream of bugs from Microsoft resulting from the >>>> Windows update process itself. This one breaks the ability to receive >>>> further security updates. So once you get it, how do you get an update >>>> to fix it? Particularly when there have already been updates that kept >>>> introducing their own new bugs? >>> >>> Just incompetent, isn't it? Why do they keep making the same >>> mistakes, again and again, releasing beta software as if it's ready >>> for prime time. In 2019 it was what caused me to switch to Linux for >>> the first lengthy time (I'd installed it a few times but never used it >>> long-term). >> >> We all have reasons to switch to Linux. When you're window shopping as >> most of us are when it comes to the operating system, it's hard to find >> the motivation to stick to it when we encounter the first few bugs. In >> your case, it was how slow 11 was making your new hardware feel; for me, >> it was the knowledge that the corporations involved had no interest in >> fixing a three-year-old bug that made using the operating system >> intolerable. > > > Win11 23H2 was overweight, on a machine that was ideal to upgrade to > Win11 21H2. That is just ridiculous. Two years. Is that an > eternity, or something? I like Microsoft in the abstract, I think > they're innovators, I think they do some useful things. But that is > irrelevant to my enjoyment of my machine. Win11 outgrew it in *no > time*. In exchange for manufacturers bundling Windows with every one of their machines, Microsoft agrees to bloat the operating system artificially to encourage users to upgrade more frequently. It's long been a theory but I would love to someone to tell me that it is far-fetched. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41 KDE supporting member
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-12-31 22:46 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing |
| Message-ID | <cje9njhgqkjdm4bhrvkjkvbttt0b5u6bu3@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #15883 |
Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: >>> We all have reasons to switch to Linux. When you're window shopping as >>> most of us are when it comes to the operating system, it's hard to find >>> the motivation to stick to it when we encounter the first few bugs. In >>> your case, it was how slow 11 was making your new hardware feel; for me, >>> it was the knowledge that the corporations involved had no interest in >>> fixing a three-year-old bug that made using the operating system >>> intolerable. >> >> Win11 23H2 was overweight, on a machine that was ideal to upgrade to >> Win11 21H2. That is just ridiculous. Two years. Is that an >> eternity, or something? I like Microsoft in the abstract, I think >> they're innovators, I think they do some useful things. But that is >> irrelevant to my enjoyment of my machine. Win11 outgrew it in *no >> time*. > >In exchange for manufacturers bundling Windows with every one of their >machines, Microsoft agrees to bloat the operating system artificially to >encourage users to upgrade more frequently. > >It's long been a theory but I would love to someone to tell me that it >is far-fetched. Boom. -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 07:50 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing |
| Message-ID | <vl3dlu$2ov5h$10@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15884 |
Joel wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: > Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: > >>>> We all have reasons to switch to Linux. When you're window shopping as >>>> most of us are when it comes to the operating system, it's hard to find >>>> the motivation to stick to it when we encounter the first few bugs. In >>>> your case, it was how slow 11 was making your new hardware feel; for me, >>>> it was the knowledge that the corporations involved had no interest in >>>> fixing a three-year-old bug that made using the operating system >>>> intolerable. >>> >>> Win11 23H2 was overweight, on a machine that was ideal to upgrade to >>> Win11 21H2. That is just ridiculous. Two years. Is that an >>> eternity, or something? I like Microsoft in the abstract, I think >>> they're innovators, I think they do some useful things. But that is >>> irrelevant to my enjoyment of my machine. Win11 outgrew it in *no >>> time*. >> >>In exchange for manufacturers bundling Windows with every one of their >>machines, Microsoft agrees to bloat the operating system artificially to >>encourage users to upgrade more frequently. >> >>It's long been a theory but I would love to someone to tell me that it >>is far-fetched. > > Boom. That's the origin of the term "Wintel" IIRC. -- A physicist is an atom's way of knowing about atoms. -- George Wald
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 08:37 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing |
| Message-ID | <DybdP.12357$h3%7.10023@fx02.iad> |
| In reply to | #15891 |
On 2025-01-01 07:50, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > Joel wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: > >> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: >> >>>>> We all have reasons to switch to Linux. When you're window shopping as >>>>> most of us are when it comes to the operating system, it's hard to find >>>>> the motivation to stick to it when we encounter the first few bugs. In >>>>> your case, it was how slow 11 was making your new hardware feel; for me, >>>>> it was the knowledge that the corporations involved had no interest in >>>>> fixing a three-year-old bug that made using the operating system >>>>> intolerable. >>>> >>>> Win11 23H2 was overweight, on a machine that was ideal to upgrade to >>>> Win11 21H2. That is just ridiculous. Two years. Is that an >>>> eternity, or something? I like Microsoft in the abstract, I think >>>> they're innovators, I think they do some useful things. But that is >>>> irrelevant to my enjoyment of my machine. Win11 outgrew it in *no >>>> time*. >>> >>> In exchange for manufacturers bundling Windows with every one of their >>> machines, Microsoft agrees to bloat the operating system artificially to >>> encourage users to upgrade more frequently. >>> >>> It's long been a theory but I would love to someone to tell me that it >>> is far-fetched. >> >> Boom. > > That's the origin of the term "Wintel" IIRC. Windows = Win Intel = tel That's the origin. It has nothing to do with bloat. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41 KDE supporting member
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 09:20 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing |
| Message-ID | <vl3iv9$2q80t$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15893 |
Andrzej Matuch wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: > On 2025-01-01 07:50, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: >> Joel wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: >> >>> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: >>> >>>>>> We all have reasons to switch to Linux. When you're window shopping as >>>>>> most of us are when it comes to the operating system, it's hard to find >>>>>> the motivation to stick to it when we encounter the first few bugs. In >>>>>> your case, it was how slow 11 was making your new hardware feel; for me, >>>>>> it was the knowledge that the corporations involved had no interest in >>>>>> fixing a three-year-old bug that made using the operating system >>>>>> intolerable. >>>>> >>>>> Win11 23H2 was overweight, on a machine that was ideal to upgrade to >>>>> Win11 21H2. That is just ridiculous. Two years. Is that an >>>>> eternity, or something? I like Microsoft in the abstract, I think >>>>> they're innovators, I think they do some useful things. But that is >>>>> irrelevant to my enjoyment of my machine. Win11 outgrew it in *no >>>>> time*. >>>> >>>> In exchange for manufacturers bundling Windows with every one of their >>>> machines, Microsoft agrees to bloat the operating system artificially to >>>> encourage users to upgrade more frequently. >>>> >>>> It's long been a theory but I would love to someone to tell me that it >>>> is far-fetched. >>> >>> Boom. >> >> That's the origin of the term "Wintel" IIRC. > > Windows = Win > Intel = tel > > That's the origin. It has nothing to do with bloat. It has to do with the symbiotic relationship of the two companies, and yes, bloat did have something to do with it. IMHO. -- My EARS are GONE!!
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 10:06 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing |
| Message-ID | <%RcdP.212934$DYF8.25570@fx14.iad> |
| In reply to | #15894 |
On 2025-01-01 09:20, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: > Andrzej Matuch wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: > >> On 2025-01-01 07:50, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: >>> Joel wrote this post while blinking in Morse code: >>> >>>> Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> We all have reasons to switch to Linux. When you're window shopping as >>>>>>> most of us are when it comes to the operating system, it's hard to find >>>>>>> the motivation to stick to it when we encounter the first few bugs. In >>>>>>> your case, it was how slow 11 was making your new hardware feel; for me, >>>>>>> it was the knowledge that the corporations involved had no interest in >>>>>>> fixing a three-year-old bug that made using the operating system >>>>>>> intolerable. >>>>>> >>>>>> Win11 23H2 was overweight, on a machine that was ideal to upgrade to >>>>>> Win11 21H2. That is just ridiculous. Two years. Is that an >>>>>> eternity, or something? I like Microsoft in the abstract, I think >>>>>> they're innovators, I think they do some useful things. But that is >>>>>> irrelevant to my enjoyment of my machine. Win11 outgrew it in *no >>>>>> time*. >>>>> >>>>> In exchange for manufacturers bundling Windows with every one of their >>>>> machines, Microsoft agrees to bloat the operating system artificially to >>>>> encourage users to upgrade more frequently. >>>>> >>>>> It's long been a theory but I would love to someone to tell me that it >>>>> is far-fetched. >>>> >>>> Boom. >>> >>> That's the origin of the term "Wintel" IIRC. >> >> Windows = Win >> Intel = tel >> >> That's the origin. It has nothing to do with bloat. > > It has to do with the symbiotic relationship of the two companies, and yes, > bloat did have something to do with it. IMHO. I won't deny the symbiotic relationship between the two, but I don't believe that it was any kind of conspiracy behind it. Intel was making the x86 chips, and IBM and Microsoft's software ran on that platform. While AMD worked for Intel to produce x86 chips and even after they no longer worked together, Microsoft ran just as well on AMD's x86 chips. People have always criticized the x86 platform for not being as good a the RISC variants, but it doesn't mean that there wasn't a need for x86. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41 KDE supporting member
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 23:31 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing |
| Message-ID | <ltm1j1Fhu4gU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #15897 |
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 10:06:35 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > I won't deny the symbiotic relationship between the two, but I don't > believe that it was any kind of conspiracy behind it. Intel was making > the x86 chips, and IBM and Microsoft's software ran on that platform. > While AMD worked for Intel to produce x86 chips and even after they no > longer worked together, Microsoft ran just as well on AMD's x86 chips. > People have always criticized the x86 platform for not being as good a > the RISC variants, but it doesn't mean that there wasn't a need for x86. I agree. IBM chose the 8088 in part because they had experience with the 8085 on the System/23. The rest is history. Intel was late to the mobile party which didn't do MS any favors. An example is the Atom processors. Intel made a lot more money on Core processors and lost interest in the Atom. That killed the cheap Surface line a Surface 3. The Pro series used Core processors and had a higher price. MS muddied the waters with the ARM powered Surface 1 and 2 and RT that left a bad taste. At the moment Intel seems to be imploding as MS sails on.
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 19:26 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing |
| Message-ID | <%2ldP.24350$DPp5.12509@fx01.iad> |
| In reply to | #15929 |
On 2025-01-01 18:31, rbowman wrote: > On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 10:06:35 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > >> I won't deny the symbiotic relationship between the two, but I don't >> believe that it was any kind of conspiracy behind it. Intel was making >> the x86 chips, and IBM and Microsoft's software ran on that platform. >> While AMD worked for Intel to produce x86 chips and even after they no >> longer worked together, Microsoft ran just as well on AMD's x86 chips. >> People have always criticized the x86 platform for not being as good a >> the RISC variants, but it doesn't mean that there wasn't a need for x86. > > I agree. IBM chose the 8088 in part because they had experience with the > 8085 on the System/23. The rest is history. Intel was late to the mobile > party which didn't do MS any favors. An example is the Atom processors. > Intel made a lot more money on Core processors and lost interest in the > Atom. That killed the cheap Surface line a Surface 3. The Pro series used > Core processors and had a higher price. > > MS muddied the waters with the ARM powered Surface 1 and 2 and RT that > left a bad taste. > > At the moment Intel seems to be imploding as MS sails on. Yeah, I hear you about Intel. I wasn't aware of how bad it was doing until I watched a video on YouTube a while ago where the producer showed that the company had neglected most categories and had their crown stolen from them. They're not in consoles, nobody wants them for mobile computing and gamers seem to prefer AMD. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41 KDE supporting member
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| From | rbowman <bowman@montana.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-02 19:14 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing |
| Message-ID | <lto6smFrr0kU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #15937 |
On Wed, 1 Jan 2025 19:26:35 -0500, Andrzej Matuch wrote: > Yeah, I hear you about Intel. I wasn't aware of how bad it was doing > until I watched a video on YouTube a while ago where the producer showed > that the company had neglected most categories and had their crown > stolen from them. They're not in consoles, nobody wants them for mobile > computing and gamers seem to prefer AMD. Gelsinger bet the farm on the foundry and poured billions into it, some of which was supposed to come from Biden's CHIPS act. https://www.nbc4i.com/intel-in-ohio/ceo-who-brought-intel-to-central-ohio- retires/ December 1 was a Sunday and his 'retirement' caught a lot of people flatfooted. Gelsinger, Zinsner and others are being sued over a laundry list of alleged violations of securities law and misleading shareholders over the Intel Foundry spinoff. It's further complicated by the politics involved in the federal funding. If the Ohio plant is finished it will still be trailing TSMC's technology.
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| From | chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 09:38 -0600 |
| Subject | Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing |
| Message-ID | <v8oanjleqk2k58mojapenh9b16v9cf8gec@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #15894 |
Chris Ahlstrom wrote: >>> That's the origin of the term "Wintel" IIRC. >> >> Windows = Win >> Intel = tel >> >> That's the origin. It has nothing to do with bloat. > >It has to do with the symbiotic relationship of the two companies, and yes, >bloat did have something to do with it. IMHO. Nope. It's only shorthand for the computing platform of Windows on x86. -- "What's happened is that the advocates have been beaten by the implications of their own words." - lying asshole "-hh", lying shamelessly
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| From | Gregg Fowler <totsob@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 14:45 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <sycdP.195039$ZAue.171799@fx12.iad> |
| In reply to | #15858 |
On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 15:19:23 -0500, Joel wrote: > Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > >>Yet another >><https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-windows-11-24h2-bug-could-block- future-security-updates-see-whos-affected/> >>in the ongoing stream of bugs from Microsoft resulting from the Windows >>update process itself. This one breaks the ability to receive further >>security updates. So once you get it, how do you get an update to fix >>it? Particularly when there have already been updates that kept >>introducing their own new bugs? > > > Just incompetent, isn't it? Why do they keep making the same mistakes, > again and again, releasing beta software as if it's ready for prime > time. In 2019 it was what caused me to switch to Linux for the first > lengthy time (I'd installed it a few times but never used it long-term). Beta software is beta software. An OS is an OS.
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| From | Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 10:20 -0500 |
| Subject | Re: This Is Why They Say Windows Is A Great OS -- If Your Time Is Worth Nothing |
| Message-ID | <B2ddP.31484$mi11.9597@fx48.iad> |
| In reply to | #15895 |
On 2025-01-01 09:45, Gregg Fowler wrote: > On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 15:19:23 -0500, Joel wrote: > >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>> Yet another >>> <https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-windows-11-24h2-bug-could-block- > future-security-updates-see-whos-affected/> >>> in the ongoing stream of bugs from Microsoft resulting from the Windows >>> update process itself. This one breaks the ability to receive further >>> security updates. So once you get it, how do you get an update to fix >>> it? Particularly when there have already been updates that kept >>> introducing their own new bugs? >> >> >> Just incompetent, isn't it? Why do they keep making the same mistakes, >> again and again, releasing beta software as if it's ready for prime >> time. In 2019 it was what caused me to switch to Linux for the first >> lengthy time (I'd installed it a few times but never used it long-term). > > Beta software is beta software. An OS is an OS. What he meant is that the Windows updates Microsoft was releasing might as well have been considered beta since they weren't properly tested and caused many machines to become unbootable. -- Andrzej (Andre) Matuch Telegram: @AndrzejMatuch Zephyrus G14 GA401QM on Fedora 41 KDE supporting member
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| From | Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 11:42 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <82sanjl36qmfr4kbemflfif9u68ccr9r16@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #15895 |
Gregg Fowler <totsob@yahoo.com> wrote: >On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 15:19:23 -0500, Joel wrote: >> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> >>>Yet another >>><https://www.zdnet.com/article/new-windows-11-24h2-bug-could-block- >future-security-updates-see-whos-affected/> >>>in the ongoing stream of bugs from Microsoft resulting from the Windows >>>update process itself. This one breaks the ability to receive further >>>security updates. So once you get it, how do you get an update to fix >>>it? Particularly when there have already been updates that kept >>>introducing their own new bugs? >> >> Just incompetent, isn't it? Why do they keep making the same mistakes, >> again and again, releasing beta software as if it's ready for prime >> time. In 2019 it was what caused me to switch to Linux for the first >> lengthy time (I'd installed it a few times but never used it long-term). > >Beta software is beta software. An OS is an OS. So an OS is not software? They can't release poorly tested code for an OS, just like an app? -- Joel W. Crump Amendment XIV Section 1. [...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.
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| From | Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-01-01 19:28 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vl450i$2tjip$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #15895 |
On Wed, 01 Jan 2025 14:45:44 GMT, Gregg Fowler wrote: > Beta software is beta software. An OS is an OS. And Microsoft is the only one shipping a beta-quality OS and expecting its users to rely on that for mission-critical production work.
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