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  Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-01 04:38 +0000
    Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-04-02 12:57 +0000
      Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-04-02 13:27 +0000
      Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-03 07:42 +0000
        Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-03 05:31 -0400
          Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Farley Flud <fsquared@fsquared.linux> - 2025-04-03 12:04 +0000
          Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-03 16:44 +0000
            Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-03 14:06 -0400
              Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-04 01:34 +0000
                Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2025-04-03 21:39 -0400
            Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-04 08:51 -0400
          Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-03 20:38 +0000
            Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-03 13:41 -0700
              Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-03 23:18 +0000
            Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-04 01:30 +0000
              Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-04-09 19:20 +0000
              Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-04-10 11:44 +0300
                Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-11 00:22 +0000
                  Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-10 19:39 -0700
                  Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-11 08:26 -0400
          Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-04-04 19:05 +0000
            Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-04 15:19 -0500
              Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-04-05 16:35 +0000
                Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-05 17:50 +0000
              Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-04-05 16:09 -0400
            Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-04 21:47 +0000
              Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-04-05 16:37 +0000
            Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-04 18:38 -0400
              Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-04-05 00:54 +0000
              Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-04-05 02:15 +0000
                Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 22:21 -0400
                  Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2025-04-04 20:11 -0700
      Re: reinstall Windows 11 every two months chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-03 06:40 -0500

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#18277

On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:

[snip]

> The TaskBar today in Windows, has a feature that makes it descend below
> the bottom edge of the screen, yielding more screen space. Microsoft did
> not invent that, but the MacOS did at some point in the past (perhaps
> MacOSX 10.1 or so). Since that's optional, you won't see that happening
> on every user desktop here.

I never liked UI elements that move when you try to click on them, or that 
make you click off the screen (Windows 8.0 did a lot of that).

[snip]
-- 
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"There are none more ignorant and useless, than they that seek answers
on their knees, with their eyes closed."

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#18280

On 04 Apr 2025 19:05:30 GMT, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> The TaskBar today in Windows, has a feature that makes it descend below
>> the bottom edge of the screen, yielding more screen space. Microsoft did
>> not invent that, but the MacOS did at some point in the past (perhaps
>> MacOSX 10.1 or so). Since that's optional, you won't see that happening
>> on every user desktop here.
>
>I never liked UI elements that move when you try to click on them

If you mean UI elements that are designed to be clickable, I appreciate
some kind of feedback telling me that it has registered the click. There
are many ways to do that, some better than others.

>or that 
>make you click off the screen (Windows 8.0 did a lot of that).

I can't think of an example of that, and I use Win 8 as my primary OS.
I'm not even sure how it would be possible to reliably clickck on
something that is off screen. 

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#18306

On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 15:19:14 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:

> On 04 Apr 2025 19:05:30 GMT, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
> 
>>On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>> The TaskBar today in Windows, has a feature that makes it descend
>>> below the bottom edge of the screen, yielding more screen space.
>>> Microsoft did not invent that, but the MacOS did at some point in the
>>> past (perhaps MacOSX 10.1 or so). Since that's optional, you won't see
>>> that happening on every user desktop here.
>>
>>I never liked UI elements that move when you try to click on them
> 
> If you mean UI elements that are designed to be clickable, I appreciate
> some kind of feedback telling me that it has registered the click. There
> are many ways to do that, some better than others.
 
I'm not talking about the feedback, but movement that happens when you're 
trying to click.

>>or that make you click off the screen (Windows 8.0 did a lot of that).
> 
> I can't think of an example of that, and I use Win 8 as my primary OS.
> I'm not even sure how it would be possible to reliably clickck on
> something that is off screen.

It's been awhile since I used Windows 8 (note hat I said 8.0 not 8.1), but 
I do remember having to click off the screen for some things. IIRC, that 
was changed in 8.1.

-- 
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"It cannot be too often repeated, that truth scorns the assistance of
miracle." [Robert G. Ingersoll]

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#18308

Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Apr 2025 15:19:14 -0500, Char Jackson wrote:
> 
> > On 04 Apr 2025 19:05:30 GMT, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
> > 
> >>On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:
> >>
> >>[snip]
> >>
> >>> The TaskBar today in Windows, has a feature that makes it descend
> >>> below the bottom edge of the screen, yielding more screen space.
> >>> Microsoft did not invent that, but the MacOS did at some point in the
> >>> past (perhaps MacOSX 10.1 or so). Since that's optional, you won't see
> >>> that happening on every user desktop here.
> >>
> >>I never liked UI elements that move when you try to click on them
> > 
> > If you mean UI elements that are designed to be clickable, I appreciate
> > some kind of feedback telling me that it has registered the click. There
> > are many ways to do that, some better than others.
>  
> I'm not talking about the feedback, but movement that happens when you're 
> trying to click.
> 
> >>or that make you click off the screen (Windows 8.0 did a lot of that).
> > 
> > I can't think of an example of that, and I use Win 8 as my primary OS.
> > I'm not even sure how it would be possible to reliably clickck on
> > something that is off screen.
> 
> It's been awhile since I used Windows 8 (note hat I said 8.0 not 8.1), but 
> I do remember having to click off the screen for some things. IIRC, that 
> was changed in 8.1.

  Yes, AFAIR - even in 8.1 (my system came with 8.1) - there was a
'swipe' to the right edge and then click to get to some settings stuff
and a 'swipe' to the upper-left and then click to switch from the Fisher
Price GUI to Real Windows (TM). Very akward and counter-intuitive.
AFAIR, a side-effect of the touch screen UI.

  I switched from the Fisher Price GUI to Real Windows (TM) and
installed the Classic Start Menu and lived happily ever since. (Now on
Windows 11 (skipped 10).)

  N.B. Even Windows 11 has a bit of this silliness: I can move the
pointer off-screen to the right or to the bottom (below the Taskbar) and
click and it behaves as if the pointer is still on the Desktop/Taskbar,

  When trying to move the pointer off-screen to the top or left, the
pointer just hits the top/left of the screen.

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#18314

Char Jackson wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:

> On 04 Apr 2025 19:05:30 GMT, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>> The TaskBar today in Windows, has a feature that makes it descend below
>>> the bottom edge of the screen, yielding more screen space. Microsoft did
>>> not invent that, but the MacOS did at some point in the past (perhaps
>>> MacOSX 10.1 or so). Since that's optional, you won't see that happening
>>> on every user desktop here.
>>
>>I never liked UI elements that move when you try to click on them
>
> If you mean UI elements that are designed to be clickable, I appreciate
> some kind of feedback telling me that it has registered the click. There
> are many ways to do that, some better than others.

It's a good joke to have the button move away everytime you get near it
:-D

-- 
Not that I'm against sneaking some notions into people's heads upon
occasion.  (Or blasting them in outright.)
		-- Larry Wall in <199710211624.JAA17833@wall.org>

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#18284

On 04 Apr 2025 19:05:30 GMT, Mark Lloyd wrote:

> On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:
> 
>> The TaskBar today in Windows, has a feature that makes it descend below
>> the bottom edge of the screen, yielding more screen space.
> 
> I never liked UI elements that move when you try to click on them, or
> that make you click off the screen (Windows 8.0 did a lot of that).

Linux GUIs make this sort of thing configurable. I like the fact that I 
can make the taskbar disappear, and end up with a screen full only of my 
application window and nothing else.

Of course, this works better when you have multiple virtual desktops.

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#18307

On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 21:47:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On 04 Apr 2025 19:05:30 GMT, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> 
>> On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:
>> 
>>> The TaskBar today in Windows, has a feature that makes it descend
>>> below the bottom edge of the screen, yielding more screen space.
>> 
>> I never liked UI elements that move when you try to click on them, or
>> that make you click off the screen (Windows 8.0 did a lot of that).
> 
> Linux GUIs make this sort of thing configurable. I like the fact that I
> can make the taskbar disappear, and end up with a screen full only of my
> application window and nothing else.
> 
> Of course, this works better when you have multiple virtual desktops.

I see how that could work. On my desktop (I usually have Xubuntu), you can 
change desktops with the keyboard so you don't need anything to click.

-- 
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"It cannot be too often repeated, that truth scorns the assistance of
miracle." [Robert G. Ingersoll]

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#18285

On Fri, 4/4/2025 3:05 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2025 05:31:10 -0400, Paul wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
>> The TaskBar today in Windows, has a feature that makes it descend below
>> the bottom edge of the screen, yielding more screen space. Microsoft did
>> not invent that, but the MacOS did at some point in the past (perhaps
>> MacOSX 10.1 or so). Since that's optional, you won't see that happening
>> on every user desktop here.
> 
> I never liked UI elements that move when you try to click on them, or that 
> make you click off the screen (Windows 8.0 did a lot of that).
> 
> [snip]
> 

Windows 8.0 may have had gestures.

One of them may have been swiping down
the right side of the screen.

They tried to introduce 10-point touch, but for desktops,
there were not a lot of monitor offerings with the hardware
support for that. the only gesture that comes to mind there,
is "grab and rotate", done with the fingertips.

Windows 8.0 had the "full screen mode" for Apps, where the App
lacked an "X" for dismiss, in the upper right corner. You
could use Alt-F4, to escape from that. There is a video of
a test subject, who kinda freezes up and does the "deer in
the headlights" face, in response to there being no "X"
in the corner :-) That got fixed in Windows 8.1 .

   Paul

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#18288

On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 18:38:29 -0400, Paul wrote:

> Windows 8.0 had the "full screen mode" for Apps, where the App lacked an
> "X" for dismiss, in the upper right corner. You could use Alt-F4, to
> escape from that. There is a video of a test subject, who kinda freezes
> up and does the "deer in the headlights" face, in response to there
> being no "X"
> in the corner  That got fixed in Windows 8.1 .

I've had that deer in the headlights look a few times. The first time I 
got a window too close to a corner and it went full screen my reaction was 
'WTF? What did I do and how do I get rid of it?'

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#18289

On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 18:38:29 -0400, Paul wrote:

> Windows 8.0 had the "full screen mode" for Apps, where the App lacked an
> "X" for dismiss, in the upper right corner. You could use Alt-F4, to
> escape from that. There is a video of a test subject, who kinda freezes
> up and does the "deer in the headlights" face, in response to there
> being no "X"
> in the corner :-) That got fixed in Windows 8.1 .

Windows 8 was an attempt to come up with a common UI for both regular 
“desktop” and “mobile” Windows (phones, tablets).

This turned out to be a really bad idea. And not just because the “mobile” 
UI had its own problems.

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#18290

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 18:38:29 -0400, Paul wrote:
>
>> Windows 8.0 had the "full screen mode" for Apps, where the App lacked an
>> "X" for dismiss, in the upper right corner. You could use Alt-F4, to
>> escape from that. There is a video of a test subject, who kinda freezes
>> up and does the "deer in the headlights" face, in response to there
>> being no "X"
>> in the corner :-) That got fixed in Windows 8.1 .
>
>Windows 8 was an attempt to come up with a common UI for both regular 
>“desktop” and “mobile” Windows (phones, tablets).
>
>This turned out to be a really bad idea. And not just because the “mobile” 
>UI had its own problems.


I purchased the introductory Win8 Pro upgrade for $40, the UI was
ridiculous beyond imagination, but a quick Google search led me to
Classic Shell (now forked I believe) which restored sanity (the start
menu basically).  Once one did that, Win8 was a pretty great OS.

-- 
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent.  States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

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#18292

Joel wrote:
> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 18:38:29 -0400, Paul wrote:
>>
>>> Windows 8.0 had the "full screen mode" for Apps, where the App lacked an
>>> "X" for dismiss, in the upper right corner. You could use Alt-F4, to
>>> escape from that. There is a video of a test subject, who kinda freezes
>>> up and does the "deer in the headlights" face, in response to there
>>> being no "X"
>>> in the corner :-) That got fixed in Windows 8.1 .
>>
>> Windows 8 was an attempt to come up with a common UI for both regular
>> “desktop” and “mobile” Windows (phones, tablets).
>>
>> This turned out to be a really bad idea. And not just because the “mobile”
>> UI had its own problems.
> 
> 
> I purchased the introductory Win8 Pro upgrade for $40, the UI was
> ridiculous beyond imagination, but a quick Google search led me to
> Classic Shell (now forked I believe) which restored sanity (the start
> menu basically).  Once one did that, Win8 was a pretty great OS.
> 
see , you were wrong

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#18228

Tyrone wrote:

>Isn't it time to grow up?

Where's the fun in that?   8)

-- 
"So you have nothing better to do with your life but to download every
distro that comes out."  -  trolling fsckwit "Ezekiel"

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