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  ThunderMail is coming soon James <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-20 19:15 +0000
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-04-20 20:35 +0100
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-04-20 21:50 +0200
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-21 16:13 +0000
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> - 2025-04-20 21:42 +0200
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-20 15:46 -0500
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-04-21 08:52 +0100
          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-21 17:36 -0500
            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-22 05:58 -0400
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-22 07:43 -0500
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-22 23:42 +1000
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> - 2025-04-20 21:12 +0100
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-20 15:49 -0500
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-04-21 18:53 +0200
          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-04-22 20:07 +1000
            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-22 07:49 -0500
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-22 13:58 +0000
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-04-22 15:32 +0000
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon David <BD@invalid.now> - 2025-05-03 14:50 +0100
                  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-05-03 14:39 -0400
                    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-05-03 19:14 +0000
                      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-05-03 23:53 +0200
                  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-05-04 13:31 +0000
                    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-05-04 13:59 +0000
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-22 15:39 +0100
                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 00:27 -0500
                  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-23 11:31 +0100
                    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 06:14 -0500
                      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-04-23 12:36 +0100
                        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 06:50 -0500
                      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-23 15:54 +0000
                        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-24 05:00 -0500
                          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-24 12:19 +0100
                            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-24 14:33 +0200
                              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-25 12:54 +0100
                                Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-25 18:03 +0200
                                  Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-29 16:48 +0100
                          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-04-24 15:27 +0000
                          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-24 18:37 +0200
                            Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Trump Lost The Tariff War <Trump@US.Gov> - 2025-04-24 17:30 +0000
                              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-24 21:48 +0200
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-23 09:45 +0200
              Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-04-23 09:45 +0200
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-20 15:47 -0500
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-21 03:45 -0700
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-04-22 21:14 -0500
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-23 00:54 -0500
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Philip Herlihy <nothing@invalid.com> - 2025-04-21 13:00 +0100
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Roberto <dash@dominus.net> - 2025-04-21 19:26 +0200
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> - 2025-04-23 00:15 +0100
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon NZ Rules OK <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-04-23 00:49 +0100
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Nobody <jock@soccer.com> - 2025-04-22 18:36 -0700
        Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-04-24 05:07 -0500
          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Robert <monstoor@spammedia.com> - 2025-04-25 00:26 +0100
          Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-04-25 05:44 -0700
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-05-16 06:26 -0500
    Re: ThunderMail is coming soon "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-05-21 02:18 +0800
      Re: ThunderMail is coming soon Retirednoguilt <HapilyRetired@fakeaddress.com> - 2025-05-21 10:50 -0400

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#183835 — ThunderMail is coming soon

At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, 
eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience 
similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new 
Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using 
your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com).

there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s email service from 
competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your 
messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and 
it’s not going to harvest and sell your data.

You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!:

<https://thundermail.com/>

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#183836

> there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s email service from
> competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your
> messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and
> it’s not going to harvest and sell your data.
> 

Not, that is, until money runs low and the T.mail owners sell out to 
some advertising agency; who then floods the thing with ads.
And, how long will it take before that arises?

Ed

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#183837

On 2025-04-20 21:35, Ed Cryer wrote:
> 
>> there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s 
>> email service from
>> competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your
>> messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and
>> it’s not going to harvest and sell your data.
>>
> 
> Not, that is, until money runs low and the T.mail owners sell out to 
> some advertising agency; who then floods the thing with ads.
> And, how long will it take before that arises?

I believe thundermail is not gratis.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.

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#183862

Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
> 
>> there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s email service from
>> competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your
>> messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and
>> it’s not going to harvest and sell your data.
>> 
> 
> Not, that is, until money runs low and the T.mail owners sell out to 
> some advertising agency; who then floods the thing with ads.
> And, how long will it take before that arises?

Rather than be cynical, why not give it chance? God knows we need some
trustworthy alternatives in this space. Have mozilla sold out their users
before?

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#183838

On 4/20/25 21:15, James wrote:
> At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider,
> eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience
> similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new
> Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using
> your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com).
> 
> there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s email service from
> competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your
> messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and
> it’s not going to harvest and sell your data.
> 
> You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!:
> 
> <https://thundermail.com/>
> 

... until they decide they can monetize it better by adding AI.

actually I don't know, who's behind thundermail?

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#183840

kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:

> James wrote:
>
>> At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider,
>> eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience
>> similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new
>> Thundermail accounts they sign up for. The service will also allow using
>> your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com).
>> 
>> there’s at least one important quality that will distinguish Mozilla’s email service from
>> competitors like Gmail: privacy. Thundermail isn’t going to use your
>> messages to train AI, it’s not going to invade your inbox with ads, and
>> it’s not going to harvest and sell your data.

Read the blog below regarding Assist AI.

>> You can sign up here to be on the waiting list!!!!!:
>> 
>> <https://thundermail.com/>
>> 
> 
> ... until they decide they can monetize it better by adding AI.

https://blog.thunderbird.net/2025/04/thundermail-and-thunderbird-pro-services/

Thunderbird Assist
Assist is an experiment, developed in partnership with Flower AI, a
flexible open-source framework for scalable, privacy-preserving
federated learning, that will enable users to take advantage of AI
features.

Luckily, and if the blog is correct, users can disable the AI locally in
the Thunderbird Pro client, or up on the mail server for " devices that
are not powerful enough to run the language models locally".

> actually I don't know, who's behind thundermail?

Mozilla devs.  More explained in the above blog.

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#183845

VanguardLH wrote:

> kyonshi wrote:
> 
>> actually I don't know, who's behind thundermail?
> 
> Mozilla devs.  More explained in the above blog.

Mozilla devs, or MZLA devs?

I realise a few years ago they had reasons to separate them off, does it 
serve a purpose today to keep them separate?

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#183868

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
> 
>> kyonshi wrote:
>> 
>>> actually I don't know, who's behind thundermail?
>> 
>> Mozilla devs.  More explained in the above blog.
> 
> Mozilla devs, or MZLA devs?
> 
> I realise a few years ago they had reasons to separate them off, does it 
> serve a purpose today to keep them separate?

Po-tay-to.  Po-tah-to.  Saying it was your foot that kicked me, and not
you, makes no difference to my butt.  Organization hierarchy is of
interest to managerial types, not to me.  It's ALL Mozilla to me.

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#183882

On Mon, 4/21/2025 6:36 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> 
>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>
>>> kyonshi wrote:
>>>
>>>> actually I don't know, who's behind thundermail?
>>>
>>> Mozilla devs.  More explained in the above blog.
>>
>> Mozilla devs, or MZLA devs?
>>
>> I realise a few years ago they had reasons to separate them off, does it 
>> serve a purpose today to keep them separate?
> 
> Po-tay-to.  Po-tah-to.  Saying it was your foot that kicked me, and not
> you, makes no difference to my butt.  Organization hierarchy is of
> interest to managerial types, not to me.  It's ALL Mozilla to me.
> 

You know that Mozilla is packing a parachute right now.

The last article I read two hours ago, is looking at
Google having to ditch Chrome as a part of the DOJ
remedy, and the Mozilla contract got an honorable mention as
part of the solution as well.

If Mozilla is going into the poor house, this is why
they're working on their own self-sustaining business
opportunities (no matter what their corporate structure
is, and how they would morph in view of the potential outcome).
They will have to "shed something" and "belt tighten" and
change their corporate structure and charter.

It used to be, they practiced their business opportunities
as a bit of a lark, but now it's crunch time. A donation model
would never work.

   Paul

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#183885

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> You know that Mozilla is packing a parachute right now.
> 
> The last article I read two hours ago, is looking at
> Google having to ditch Chrome as a part of the DOJ
> remedy, and the Mozilla contract got an honorable mention as
> part of the solution as well.
> 
> If Mozilla is going into the poor house, this is why
> they're working on their own self-sustaining business
> opportunities (no matter what their corporate structure
> is, and how they would morph in view of the potential outcome).
> They will have to "shed something" and "belt tighten" and
> change their corporate structure and charter.
> 
> It used to be, they practiced their business opportunities
> as a bit of a lark, but now it's crunch time. A donation model
> would never work.

Yep, I've noted before that Google is getting nailed for bribing web
browser authors, and other anti-trust marketing practices with their
grip on online advertising.  Mozilla could lose 97% of their revenue
that comes from Google.  That's why all those services from Mozilla are
unlikely to [remain to] be free.  They won't be able to afford any
further altruism.  The tit goes dry, and entitled users whine louder.

If Google has to decouple from Chromium, can the rest of the Chromium
dev team keep producing a competitive, up to date, and secure web
browser into the future?  Chromium is developed and maintained by
Google.  With Google gone, who is left to work on Chromium are a group
of devs unknown and unrecognized by the vast majority of users. Chromium
doesn't have automatic updates, API keys for Google services (e.g.,
browser sync), Widevine DRM, licensed codecs for H.264 and AAC, crash
reporting, etc.  Chrome is oriented to a consumer market.  Chromium is
oriented to a much smaller more expert/nerd community.  Ask your friends
to see how many use Chromium.  Chromium never shows up in browser market
share statistics.

If Google has to walk away from Chromium, who is left in its dev team?
Chromium has been a Google project from its inception.  Google does the
vast bulk of development on Chromium.  The Chromium projects (Chromium
and ChromeOS) are not independent of Google.  Some of the other
contributors have been Microsoft, Intel, Samsung, and variant authors,
like Opera, Vivaldi, and Brave.  Of those, and after Google, Microsoft
is the next biggest powerhouse, so, gee, might we end up with Microsoft
Chrome?  Well, there's already Edge-C (Edge that became a Chromium
variant after Microsoft dropped EdgeHTML).

Without Google to pay Mozilla, Mozilla won't have the financial strength
anymore to continue the current level of development.  Firefox might get
more market share, but Mozilla becomes much weaker.  If Google decouples
from Chrome, could be Chromium loses their major developer along with
all its services, so Chromium also becomes much weaker.  No sponsors, no
money.  No money, no development.  Programmers need to eat, too.

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#183887

On 22/04/2025 10:43 pm, VanguardLH wrote:
> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> You know that Mozilla is packing a parachute right now.
>>
>> The last article I read two hours ago, is looking at
>> Google having to ditch Chrome as a part of the DOJ
>> remedy, and the Mozilla contract got an honorable mention as
>> part of the solution as well.
>>
>> If Mozilla is going into the poor house, this is why
>> they're working on their own self-sustaining business
>> opportunities (no matter what their corporate structure
>> is, and how they would morph in view of the potential outcome).
>> They will have to "shed something" and "belt tighten" and
>> change their corporate structure and charter.
>>
>> It used to be, they practiced their business opportunities
>> as a bit of a lark, but now it's crunch time. A donation model
>> would never work.
> 
> Yep, I've noted before that Google is getting nailed for bribing web
> browser authors, and other anti-trust marketing practices with their
> grip on online advertising.  Mozilla could lose 97% of their revenue
> that comes from Google.  That's why all those services from Mozilla are
> unlikely to [remain to] be free.  They won't be able to afford any
> further altruism.  The tit goes dry, and entitled users whine louder.
> 
> If Google has to decouple from Chromium, can the rest of the Chromium
> dev team keep producing a competitive, up to date, and secure web
> browser into the future?  Chromium is developed and maintained by
> Google.  With Google gone, who is left to work on Chromium are a group
> of devs unknown and unrecognized by the vast majority of users. Chromium
> doesn't have automatic updates, API keys for Google services (e.g.,
> browser sync), Widevine DRM, licensed codecs for H.264 and AAC, crash
> reporting, etc.  Chrome is oriented to a consumer market.  Chromium is
> oriented to a much smaller more expert/nerd community.  Ask your friends
> to see how many use Chromium.  Chromium never shows up in browser market
> share statistics.
> 
> If Google has to walk away from Chromium, who is left in its dev team?
> Chromium has been a Google project from its inception.  Google does the
> vast bulk of development on Chromium.  The Chromium projects (Chromium
> and ChromeOS) are not independent of Google.  Some of the other
> contributors have been Microsoft, Intel, Samsung, and variant authors,
> like Opera, Vivaldi, and Brave.  Of those, and after Google, Microsoft
> is the next biggest powerhouse, so, gee, might we end up with Microsoft
> Chrome?  Well, there's already Edge-C (Edge that became a Chromium
> variant after Microsoft dropped EdgeHTML).
> 
> Without Google to pay Mozilla, Mozilla won't have the financial strength
> anymore to continue the current level of development.  Firefox might get
> more market share, but Mozilla becomes much weaker.  If Google decouples
> from Chrome, could be Chromium loses their major developer along with
> all its services, so Chromium also becomes much weaker.  No sponsors, no
> money.  No money, no development.  Programmers need to eat, too.
> 
Hmm!! Is anyone else sensing "Deja Vu"?? The above reminds me of what 
apparently happened when, was it, Netscape sliced off Mozilla to do its 
own development .... which led to Firefox/Thunderbird and SeaMonkey Suite??
-- 
Daniel70

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#183839

James <invalid@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:

> At its core, Thundermail will primarily be a mail service provider, 
> eventually expanding to offer a familiar browser-based experience 
> similar to Gmail or Outlook. Users can send and receive email using new 
> Thundermail accounts they sign up for. 

From 3 weeks ago:
<https://thunderbird.topicbox.com/groups/planning/T437cd854afcb1395>

>  ... The service will also allow using 
> your own custom domain (e.g. your.name@yourdomain.com).

Really?
-- 
Remove numerics from my email address.

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#183842

Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:

> James <invalid@invalid.invalid> Wrote in message:
> 
>> ... The service will also allow using your own custom domain (e.g.
>> your.name@yourdomain.com).
> 
> Really?

https://blog.thunderbird.net/2025/04/thundermail-and-thunderbird-pro-services/
  "The email domain for Thundermail will be Thundermail.com or tb.pro. 
  Additionally, you will be able to bring your own domain on day 1 of 
  the service."

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#183863

On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 15:49:15 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

>   Additionally, you will be able to bring your own domain on day 1 of 
>   the service."

I don't own a domain, I've registered it and pay for mailhosting to a
firm in a country that respects GDPR. Why would want to move?

-- 
s|b

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#183883

On 22/04/2025 2:53 am, s|b wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 15:49:15 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
> 
>>    Additionally, you will be able to bring your own domain on day 1 of
>>    the service."
> 
> I don't own a domain, I've registered it and pay for mailhosting to a
> firm in a country that respects GDPR. Why would want to move?
> 
"GDPR"?? Thank you, Google and Wikipedia

"General Data Protection Regulation"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation
-- 
Daniel70

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#183886

Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:

> On 22/04/2025 2:53 am, s|b wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 15:49:15 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
>> 
>>>    Additionally, you will be able to bring your own domain on day 1 of
>>>    the service."
>> 
>> I don't own a domain, I've registered it and pay for mailhosting to a
>> firm in a country that respects GDPR. Why would want to move?
>> 
> "GDPR"?? Thank you, Google and Wikipedia
> 
> "General Data Protection Regulation"
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation

GDPR ruined DNS lookups by requiring redaction of registrants.  Trying
to get contact info on a domain registrant to alert them to a problem
with their web site becomes much more difficult.  Yeah, they want to
provide a publicly accessible web site, but the registrant wants to
hide.  Thanks GDPR ... not!

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#183888

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
> Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 22/04/2025 2:53 am, s|b wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 15:49:15 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Additionally, you will be able to bring your own domain on day 1 of
>>>> the service."
>>> 
>>> I don't own a domain, I've registered it and pay for mailhosting to a
>>> firm in a country that respects GDPR. Why would want to move?
>>> 
>> "GDPR"?? Thank you, Google and Wikipedia
>> 
>> "General Data Protection Regulation"
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation
> 
> GDPR ruined DNS lookups by requiring redaction of registrants.  Trying
> to get contact info on a domain registrant to alert them to a problem
> with their web site becomes much more difficult.  Yeah, they want to
> provide a publicly accessible web site, but the registrant wants to
> hide.  Thanks GDPR ... not!

A decent website will a contact option. You should not have to be forced to
give out personal information via a WHOIS lookup. 

So yes, thanks GDPR. 

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#183890

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
[...]

> > GDPR ruined DNS lookups by requiring redaction of registrants.  Trying
> > to get contact info on a domain registrant to alert them to a problem
> > with their web site becomes much more difficult.  Yeah, they want to
> > provide a publicly accessible web site, but the registrant wants to
> > hide.  Thanks GDPR ... not!
> 
> A decent website will a contact option. You should not have to be forced to
> give out personal information via a WHOIS lookup. 
> 
> So yes, thanks GDPR. 

  Exactly. And even if the website doesn't have a contact option,
webmaster@<website> should work. If it doesn't, blame the website, not
the GDPR.

  BTW, similarly for mailservers, news servers, etc.. Yes, many are
broken, news at eleven.

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#184264

On 22/04/2025 14:58, Chris wrote:
> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
>> Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 22/04/2025 2:53 am, s|b wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 15:49:15 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Additionally, you will be able to bring your own domain on day 1 of
>>>>> the service."
>>>>
>>>> I don't own a domain, I've registered it and pay for mailhosting to a
>>>> firm in a country that respects GDPR. Why would want to move?
>>>>
>>> "GDPR"?? Thank you, Google and Wikipedia
>>>
>>> "General Data Protection Regulation"
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation
>>
>> GDPR ruined DNS lookups by requiring redaction of registrants.  Trying
>> to get contact info on a domain registrant to alert them to a problem
>> with their web site becomes much more difficult.  Yeah, they want to
>> provide a publicly accessible web site, but the registrant wants to
>> hide.  Thanks GDPR ... not!
> 
> A decent website will a contact option. You should not have to be forced to
> give out personal information via a WHOIS lookup.
> 
> So yes, thanks GDPR.

DO NOT FOLLOW THIS ADVICE.

Never click links nor run software from someone you don't know 
supposedly trying to help.

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On Sat, 5/3/2025 9:50 AM, David wrote:
> On 22/04/2025 14:58, Chris wrote:
>> VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
>>> Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 22/04/2025 2:53 am, s|b wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2025 15:49:15 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Additionally, you will be able to bring your own domain on day 1 of
>>>>>> the service."
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't own a domain, I've registered it and pay for mailhosting to a
>>>>> firm in a country that respects GDPR. Why would want to move?
>>>>>
>>>> "GDPR"?? Thank you, Google and Wikipedia
>>>>
>>>> "General Data Protection Regulation"
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation
>>>
>>> GDPR ruined DNS lookups by requiring redaction of registrants.  Trying
>>> to get contact info on a domain registrant to alert them to a problem
>>> with their web site becomes much more difficult.  Yeah, they want to
>>> provide a publicly accessible web site, but the registrant wants to
>>> hide.  Thanks GDPR ... not!
>>
>> A decent website will a contact option. You should not have to be forced to
>> give out personal information via a WHOIS lookup.
>>
>> So yes, thanks GDPR.
> 
> DO NOT FOLLOW THIS ADVICE.
> 
> Never click links nor run software from someone you don't know supposedly trying to help.
> 

Redaction of contact information is a good thing.
(It's a tradeoff caused by the world we live in.)

a guy on USENET, had his computer room wiped out by ransomware.
How was he selected ? He registered a web domain with GoDaddy,
showing his personal information. he wasn't cloaked.

One day, an email arrived, with a "bill" attached from GoDaddy.
except, the email wasn't actually from GoDaddy. It was from
a Black Hat. The Black Hat scanned GoDaddy and extracted all
the email addresses. The attachment on the email is actually
an executable ransomware. All you need to do is double
click it, thinking it is a PDF. The code included a worm,
so the code could attack all the computers.

It took MONTHS for him to recover the computer room.
No backups.

However, the mental damage could not be undone.
He no longer visits USENET.

I have successfully reached websites using admin@ or webmaster@
and on one occasion, they even sent an ACK. Look for
suggested canonical forms of email addresses, for
contacting site admin. The purpose of those channels,
is not for "chats", it's to warn about site damage or
server issues that perhaps the admin cannot observe.

   Paul

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