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  Fresh reinstall and file associations "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-06 06:46 -0800
    Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-02-06 09:26 -0600
    Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-06 12:00 -0500
      Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-02-06 17:59 +0000
    Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-02-06 13:47 -0500
    Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-02-06 14:16 -0700
    Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-06 17:26 -0800
      Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-06 17:40 -0800
        Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-02-06 21:11 -0600
          Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-02-07 12:59 +0000
        Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations "Allan Higdon" <allanh@vivaldi.net> - 2025-02-07 07:24 -0600
        Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-07 10:57 -0500
        Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-07 16:40 +0000
        Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-07 15:24 -0800
      Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-02-06 21:12 -0600
        Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-07 04:17 -0800
          Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-02-07 08:18 -0600
            Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-07 15:31 -0800
              Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-02-07 19:10 -0600
          Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-02-07 09:37 -0700
        Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-02 05:42 -0800
          Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-02 14:50 -0600
            Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-03 06:19 -0800
              Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-03 14:26 -0600
                Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-04 04:04 -0800
                  Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2025-03-04 11:53 -0600
      Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-02-07 16:48 +0000
    Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations Mr Xi Ji Ping <ping@china.cn> - 2025-02-07 03:00 +0000
      Re: Fresh reinstall and file associations "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-02-07 04:19 -0800

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#182030 — Fresh reinstall and file associations

Well, I did it. I reinstalled Windows 10 Pro. And although I told the
setup not to save my files and settings, it wound up saving a lot of my
files which weren't in the documents or pictures folders.

Now I'm trying to reinstall the applications that I had before. This
works pretty well except for one HUGE problem. Whenever a program
attempts to set up file associations, it's prevented from doing so by
Windows. Instead, I have to tediously go into Settings/Apps/Default
apps/Choose default apps by file types and tediously find the extension
in that massive list so that I can change the file association for it,
...one ...file ...type ...at ...a ...time.

Alternatively, I can wait until I need to open a particular file type
(let's use either a .zip or an .mp3 as an example), right click on the
file, select "Open with>" and set the default application from there.

Does anybody know of a way make Windows allow programs to set file
associations like in Windows 7?

Also, why in the world would Microsoft make it so difficult to do like this?

TIA.

-- 
John C.

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#182032

"John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Well, I did it. I reinstalled Windows 10 Pro. And although I told the
> setup not to save my files and settings, it wound up saving a lot of my
> files which weren't in the documents or pictures folders.
> 
> Now I'm trying to reinstall the applications that I had before. This
> works pretty well except for one HUGE problem. Whenever a program
> attempts to set up file associations, it's prevented from doing so by
> Windows. Instead, I have to tediously go into Settings/Apps/Default
> apps/Choose default apps by file types and tediously find the extension
> in that massive list so that I can change the file association for it,
> ...one ...file ...type ...at ...a ...time.
> 
> Alternatively, I can wait until I need to open a particular file type
> (let's use either a .zip or an .mp3 as an example), right click on the
> file, select "Open with>" and set the default application from there.
> 
> Does anybody know of a way make Windows allow programs to set file
> associations like in Windows 7?
> 
> Also, why in the world would Microsoft make it so difficult to do like this?
> 
> TIA.

Programmatic modifying of filetype associations was removed in Win10 as
a security measure to prevent malware from doing the same.  The idea is
the *user* gets prompted to make the choice instead of allowing any
process, good or bad, from changing the defaults.

I forget which program it was (VLC, or some other viewer) that thought
it could programmatically alter the filetype associations.  Although it
claimed to be Win10 compatible, it still had settings in its config
screens to usurp the associations.  It always failed on Win10.  I
reported the defect multiple times, and eventually the author changed
the program from presenting an option to change associations, to making
it a button that opened the Default Programs wizard in Windows (which is
where you're now supposed to make those changes yourself under your
guidance and authentication).

I remember something like over a decade ago when you had programs that
would keep usurping associations from each other.  When you ran a
program, it stole the associations.  Then you ran another program, and
it stol the associations.  RealPlayer was like this.  Very rude in it
would steal the associations without every prompting the user.  Then
malware came along that would steal the associations, because it was
very easy and trivial to do, so users' hosts got fucked up.  So,
Microsoft finally countered by mandating the *user* must be involved in
changing associations rather than let any process programmatically make
the changes.  The user was put back in control.

In fact, for several "critical" filetypes, anything at attempts to
change them (without using the Default Programs wizard) will fail,
because Windows will see the association change, and change it back.
The critical filetypes have a registry subkey (UserChoice) that contains
a hash value computed by the Default Programs wizard.  If a process
changes the critical association, but the hash is invalid, then Windows
will see the change as unauthorized, and change it to its default.
Someone figured out the algorithm for calculating the hash to provide a
programmatic means of changing associations.  Hunt for "SetUserFTA", or
read:

https://kolbi.cz/blog/2017/10/25/setuserfta-userchoice-hash-defeated-set-file-type-associations-per-user/
https://setuserfta.com/

Microsoft can easily change the algorithm for computing hashes, so the
tool will work until Microsoft decides to kill that 3rdparty workaround.

Of course, even when programmatic filetype change was permitted, you had
to be running under an admin Windows account to access the registry.
For a very long time, the recommendation is to use a limited Windows
account as your daily login account.  Anything you can do then malware
can trivially do, too. However, if you're constantly doing admin duties,
a limited account is, well, too limiting, but then you're expected to
have the expertise of an admin if you choose to be your own sysadmin.

Security and ease-of-use are always the antithesis of each other.  To
get more of one, you get less of the other.  Microsoft decided users who
choose to be sysadmins get the joy of being sysadmins instead of
allocating those duties to any program that wants to be sysadmin.  Thank
the malware author, and rude program authors, that change associations
without your permission, and often without your knowledge.  You could
check if SetUserFTA still works for you.  Consider it one of those many
programs you pack into your sysadmin toolbox.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/archive/blogs/windowsinternals/windows-10-how-to-configure-file-associations-for-it-pros

That mentions how to use a GPO (Group Policy Object) that you could
define, or push to workstations that log into a domain, or use DISM to
import/export the associations.  Or you could see if SetUserFTA still
works for you.

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#182034

On 2/6/2025 9:46 AM, John C. wrote:
> Well, I did it. I reinstalled Windows 10 Pro. And although I told the
> setup not to save my files and settings, it wound up saving a lot of my
> files which weren't in the documents or pictures folders.
> 
> Now I'm trying to reinstall the applications that I had before. This
> works pretty well except for one HUGE problem. Whenever a program
> attempts to set up file associations, it's prevented from doing so by
> Windows. Instead, I have to tediously go into Settings/Apps/Default
> apps/Choose default apps by file types and tediously find the extension
> in that massive list so that I can change the file association for it,
> ...one ...file ...type ...at ...a ...time.
> 
> Alternatively, I can wait until I need to open a particular file type
> (let's use either a .zip or an .mp3 as an example), right click on the
> file, select "Open with>" and set the default application from there.
> 
> Does anybody know of a way make Windows allow programs to set file
> associations like in Windows 7?
> 
> Also, why in the world would Microsoft make it so difficult to do like this?
> 
> TIA.
> 
    I don't think there's any easier option. MS have taken to
blocking any software but their own from hijacking file
associations.

   On the bright side, you can still set up Open With X
under HKCR\*. I have about 6 of those menu items, so
that I can bypass. For example, IrfanView is my default
for viewing iamges, but if I want to edit an image I
use right-click -> Open with Paint Shop Pro.

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#182036

On 2025-02-06 17:00, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 2/6/2025 9:46 AM, John C. wrote:
>> Well, I did it. I reinstalled Windows 10 Pro. And although I told the
>> setup not to save my files and settings, it wound up saving a lot of my
>> files which weren't in the documents or pictures folders.
>>
>> Now I'm trying to reinstall the applications that I had before. This
>> works pretty well except for one HUGE problem. Whenever a program
>> attempts to set up file associations, it's prevented from doing so by
>> Windows. Instead, I have to tediously go into Settings/Apps/Default
>> apps/Choose default apps by file types and tediously find the extension
>> in that massive list so that I can change the file association for it,
>> ...one ...file ...type ...at ...a ...time.
>>
>> Alternatively, I can wait until I need to open a particular file type
>> (let's use either a .zip or an .mp3 as an example), right click on the
>> file, select "Open with>" and set the default application from there.
>>
>> Does anybody know of a way make Windows allow programs to set file
>> associations like in Windows 7?
>>
>> Also, why in the world would Microsoft make it so difficult to do like 
>> this?
>>
>> TIA.
>>
>     I don't think there's any easier option. MS have taken to
> blocking any software but their own from hijacking file
> associations.
> 
>    On the bright side, you can still set up Open With X
> under HKCR\*. I have about 6 of those menu items, so
> that I can bypass. For example, IrfanView is my default
> for viewing iamges, but if I want to edit an image I
> use right-click -> Open with Paint Shop Pro.

Yes, I had similar problems when creating my Win 7 build, in that by 
default any such associations are created for an individual user, in 
other words in their registry hive, not that for the machine as a whole. 
  This means that any new users, including yourself if your profile gets 
corrupted, will have to go through the whole tedium all over again.  I 
made all the associations as a user, then exported all the various 
sections of HKCU\Software\Classes, combined them into one, changed HKCU 
to HKLM and then reimported them.  Then I made a copy of the registry 
file and edited it to delete the keys from HKCU.

As you say, it's a right royal PITA, but at least these associations 
seem to survive the various upgrades, so far at least, unlike the 
windows sizes, default choice of Details view in Explorer, etc, etc, 
losing which are the bane of every so-called 'upgrade' of Windows.

-- 

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website: 
www.macfh.co.uk

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#182037

On 2/6/25 09:46 AM, John C. wrote:
> Well, I did it. I reinstalled Windows 10 Pro. And although I told the
> setup not to save my files and settings, it wound up saving a lot of my
> files which weren't in the documents or pictures folders.
> 
> Now I'm trying to reinstall the applications that I had before. This
> works pretty well except for one HUGE problem. Whenever a program
> attempts to set up file associations, it's prevented from doing so by
> Windows. Instead, I have to tediously go into Settings/Apps/Default
> apps/Choose default apps by file types and tediously find the extension
> in that massive list so that I can change the file association for it,
> ...one ...file ...type ...at ...a ...time.
> 
> Alternatively, I can wait until I need to open a particular file type
> (let's use either a .zip or an .mp3 as an example), right click on the
> file, select "Open with>" and set the default application from there.
> 
> Does anybody know of a way make Windows allow programs to set file
> associations like in Windows 7?
> 
> Also, why in the world would Microsoft make it so difficult to do like this?
> 
> TIA.
> 
Not sure it's the best item but...
https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/file_types_manager.html
Nirsoft makes a lot of utilities for tweaks.  File Types Manager is good, but here again 
you have to tweak one at a time.  The only + side is that with this, you can make an 
'edit' and a 'open' option for files.  I open an image with a simple viewer but I edit it 
with GIMP.

Other utils https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/shexview.html shellxview
https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/shell_menu_view.html  shell menu view
https://www.nirsoft.net/utils/shell_menu_new.html shell new view.
-- 
Linux Mint 22.1, Cinnamon 6.4.6,  Kernel 6.8.0-52-generic
Thunderbird 128.6.0esr, Mozilla Firefox 134.0.2
Alan K.

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#182049

John C. wrote on 2/6/25 7:46 AM:
> Well, I did it. I reinstalled Windows 10 Pro. And although I told the
> setup not to save my files and settings, it wound up saving a lot of my
> files which weren't in the documents or pictures folders.
> 
> Now I'm trying to reinstall the applications that I had before. This
> works pretty well except for one HUGE problem. Whenever a program
> attempts to set up file associations, it's prevented from doing so by
> Windows. Instead, I have to tediously go into Settings/Apps/Default
> apps/Choose default apps by file types and tediously find the extension
> in that massive list so that I can change the file association for it,
> ...one ...file ...type ...at ...a ...time.
> 
> Alternatively, I can wait until I need to open a particular file type
> (let's use either a .zip or an .mp3 as an example), right click on the
> file, select "Open with>" and set the default application from there.
> 
> Does anybody know of a way make Windows allow programs to set file
> associations like in Windows 7?
> 
> Also, why in the world would Microsoft make it so difficult to do like this?
> 
> TIA.
> 
First, Windows Setup option to 'keep or not keep' files(i.e. data) is 
limited to Windows designated system folders in your userprofile. It does 
beyond those folders(other folders, other storage locations).

Second, Windows protects its oobe/default file type associations thus 
ignores/blocks most programs built-in features/options that allow 
pre-configuration of file type associations when installing/reinstalling 
3rd party programs.
  -i.e. The only other options are to:
a. use Windows \Settings\Apps/Default apps to 'Set a default for a file 
type/link type' or 'Set defaults for applications'.
  => the former by entering a specific file/link type in the search 
box/field; the latter(further down on the same Default apps settings 
window) a more global approach by selecting an app/application/program 
for its available/supported file types and urls.
and/or
b. third party programs

Regardless of the route(a or b) these normally override the 
protection/blocking and update the registry with the the logged on user's 
preferred file type associations.

This type of file type protection(MSFT 'speak' referred to it/justified 
the change as protection for file type hijacking - which imo, should 
be/should have been interpreted to mean 'limiting end-user control'[1]) 
for Windows. Iirc, began over 9 yrs ago in Windows 10 for as-shipped, 
clean installs, upgrade from Win7, with subsequent patching/tweaking via 
Windows Update(annual/semi-annual feature updates, monthly cumulative 
updates).
  [1] take your pick - protect Windows, protect users from malware, 
prevent users from themselves(tweak this, click that, edit registry, 
breaking/corrupting windows or programs) - any one,  or all may apply in 
limiting end-user control.

-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#182057

On 25/02/06 06:46 AM, John C. wrote:
> Well, I did it. I reinstalled Windows 10 Pro. And although I told the
> setup not to save my files and settings, it wound up saving a lot of my
> files which weren't in the documents or pictures folders.
> 
> Now I'm trying to reinstall the applications that I had before. This
> works pretty well except for one HUGE problem. Whenever a program
> attempts to set up file associations, it's prevented from doing so by
> Windows. Instead, I have to tediously go into Settings/Apps/Default
> apps/Choose default apps by file types and tediously find the extension
> in that massive list so that I can change the file association for it,
> ...one ...file ...type ...at ...a ...time.
> 
> Alternatively, I can wait until I need to open a particular file type
> (let's use either a .zip or an .mp3 as an example), right click on the
> file, select "Open with>" and set the default application from there.
> 
> Does anybody know of a way make Windows allow programs to set file
> associations like in Windows 7?
> 
> Also, why in the world would Microsoft make it so difficult to do like this?
> 
> TIA.
To all of you who have replied, thanks very much for doing so.

So at this point, ...every ...single ...program ...reinstall so far has
been way too problematic.

I am now giving serious consideration to simply wiping the drive, and
then installing Windows 7 on it. Then I will install all my drivers and
programs, do all the tweaking and adjusting and I will know that it will
all work.

Then I will downgrade Windows 7 to Windows 10.

-- 
John C.

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#182058

On 25/02/06 05:26 PM, John C. wrote:
> On 25/02/06 06:46 AM, John C. wrote:
>> Well, I did it. I reinstalled Windows 10 Pro. And although I told the
>> setup not to save my files and settings, it wound up saving a lot of my
>> files which weren't in the documents or pictures folders.
>>
>> Now I'm trying to reinstall the applications that I had before. This
>> works pretty well except for one HUGE problem. Whenever a program
>> attempts to set up file associations, it's prevented from doing so by
>> Windows. Instead, I have to tediously go into Settings/Apps/Default
>> apps/Choose default apps by file types and tediously find the extension
>> in that massive list so that I can change the file association for it,
>> ...one ...file ...type ...at ...a ...time.
>>
>> Alternatively, I can wait until I need to open a particular file type
>> (let's use either a .zip or an .mp3 as an example), right click on the
>> file, select "Open with>" and set the default application from there.
>>
>> Does anybody know of a way make Windows allow programs to set file
>> associations like in Windows 7?
>>
>> Also, why in the world would Microsoft make it so difficult to do like this?
>>
>> TIA.
> To all of you who have replied, thanks very much for doing so.
> 
> So at this point, ...every ...single ...program ...reinstall so far has
> been way too problematic.

Eg. Tried to install Nero 7 Essentials. No problem in W7, but in W10 the
installation fails with several javascript errors. And this is
attempting to set it up from an OEM DVD.

> I am now giving serious consideration to simply wiping the drive, and
> then installing Windows 7 on it. Then I will install all my drivers and
> programs, do all the tweaking and adjusting and I will know that it will
> all work.
> 
> Then I will downgrade Windows 7 to Windows 10.
> 

-- 
John C.

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#182060

"John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 25/02/06 05:26 PM, John C. wrote:
>> On 25/02/06 06:46 AM, John C. wrote:
>>> Well, I did it. I reinstalled Windows 10 Pro. And although I told the
>>> setup not to save my files and settings, it wound up saving a lot of my
>>> files which weren't in the documents or pictures folders.
>>>
>>> Now I'm trying to reinstall the applications that I had before. This
>>> works pretty well except for one HUGE problem. Whenever a program
>>> attempts to set up file associations, it's prevented from doing so by
>>> Windows. Instead, I have to tediously go into Settings/Apps/Default
>>> apps/Choose default apps by file types and tediously find the extension
>>> in that massive list so that I can change the file association for it,
>>> ...one ...file ...type ...at ...a ...time.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, I can wait until I need to open a particular file type
>>> (let's use either a .zip or an .mp3 as an example), right click on the
>>> file, select "Open with>" and set the default application from there.
>>>
>>> Does anybody know of a way make Windows allow programs to set file
>>> associations like in Windows 7?
>>>
>>> Also, why in the world would Microsoft make it so difficult to do like this?
>>>
>>> TIA.
>> To all of you who have replied, thanks very much for doing so.
>> 
>> So at this point, ...every ...single ...program ...reinstall so far has
>> been way too problematic.
> 
> Eg. Tried to install Nero 7 Essentials. No problem in W7, but in W10 the
> installation fails with several javascript errors. And this is
> attempting to set it up from an OEM DVD.
> 
>> I am now giving serious consideration to simply wiping the drive, and
>> then installing Windows 7 on it. Then I will install all my drivers and
>> programs, do all the tweaking and adjusting and I will know that it will
>> all work.
>> 
>> Then I will downgrade Windows 7 to Windows 10.
>>

Nero Essentials is a basic version of Nero's regular programs.  They
already have limitations, and are often bundled with hardware, like
optical burner drives.

Instead of trying to install an old version, maybe you need to move to
version 11 of Nero Essentials -- which is already 13 years old, so
obviously released far before Windows 10 (c.2016).

https://windows.apkpure.com/nero-essentials

I couldn't find a newer version of Nero Essentials.  Likely you got it
bundled with some hardware, and that was crippleware to start with.  I
could not find Essentials listed at nero.com, so you probably have to
get it from some 3rd-party download site.

Or replace Nero Essentials with new optical burning software some of
which is free.  There is (not an exhaustive list):

- Nero Burning ROM, but I'm not sure if it is free, or a trial (which   
  expires).  Windows 7 SP-1, or later.
- Ashampoo Burning Studio FREE.  Windows 10, 11.  Thought I used this on 
  Windows 7, but was probably an old version back then.
- CDBurnerXP.  Windows 2000, XP, 2003, Vista, 7, 8, 10.
- AnyBurn.  Windows 2000, XP, 2003, Vista, 7, 8, 8,1, 10, 11.
- BurnAware Free.  Windows 7, 8, 10, 11. 
- ImgBurn (I used that for a while).  Windows 9x, ME, NT4, 2000, XP, 
  2003, Vista, 2008, 7, 8, 10.

You do know you can burn discs using software already bundled in Windows
7, 10, and 11, right?

https://www.howtogeek.com/689705/how-to-burn-a-cd-or-dvd-on-windows-10/

With Windows 7, you used Windows Media Player, and maybe Windows
Explorer.  Been too long to remember what I used on Windows 7.

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#182075

On 2025-02-07 03:11, VanguardLH wrote:
> "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 25/02/06 05:26 PM, John C. wrote:
>>> On 25/02/06 06:46 AM, John C. wrote:
>>>> Well, I did it. I reinstalled Windows 10 Pro. And although I told the
>>>> setup not to save my files and settings, it wound up saving a lot of my
>>>> files which weren't in the documents or pictures folders.
>>>>
>>>> Now I'm trying to reinstall the applications that I had before. This
>>>> works pretty well except for one HUGE problem. Whenever a program
>>>> attempts to set up file associations, it's prevented from doing so by
>>>> Windows. Instead, I have to tediously go into Settings/Apps/Default
>>>> apps/Choose default apps by file types and tediously find the extension
>>>> in that massive list so that I can change the file association for it,
>>>> ...one ...file ...type ...at ...a ...time.
>>>>
>>>> Alternatively, I can wait until I need to open a particular file type
>>>> (let's use either a .zip or an .mp3 as an example), right click on the
>>>> file, select "Open with>" and set the default application from there.
>>>>
>>>> Does anybody know of a way make Windows allow programs to set file
>>>> associations like in Windows 7?
>>>>
>>>> Also, why in the world would Microsoft make it so difficult to do like this?
>>>>
>>>> TIA.
>>> To all of you who have replied, thanks very much for doing so.
>>>
>>> So at this point, ...every ...single ...program ...reinstall so far has
>>> been way too problematic.
>>
>> Eg. Tried to install Nero 7 Essentials. No problem in W7, but in W10 the
>> installation fails with several javascript errors. And this is
>> attempting to set it up from an OEM DVD.
>>
>>> I am now giving serious consideration to simply wiping the drive, and
>>> then installing Windows 7 on it. Then I will install all my drivers and
>>> programs, do all the tweaking and adjusting and I will know that it will
>>> all work.
>>>
>>> Then I will downgrade Windows 7 to Windows 10.
>>>
> 
> Nero Essentials is a basic version of Nero's regular programs.  They
> already have limitations, and are often bundled with hardware, like
> optical burner drives.
> 
> Instead of trying to install an old version, maybe you need to move to
> version 11 of Nero Essentials -- which is already 13 years old, so
> obviously released far before Windows 10 (c.2016).
> 
> https://windows.apkpure.com/nero-essentials
> 
> I couldn't find a newer version of Nero Essentials.  Likely you got it
> bundled with some hardware, and that was crippleware to start with.  I
> could not find Essentials listed at nero.com, so you probably have to
> get it from some 3rd-party download site.
> 
> Or replace Nero Essentials with new optical burning software some of
> which is free.  There is (not an exhaustive list):
> 
> - Nero Burning ROM, but I'm not sure if it is free, or a trial (which
>    expires).  Windows 7 SP-1, or later.
> - Ashampoo Burning Studio FREE.  Windows 10, 11.  Thought I used this on
>    Windows 7, but was probably an old version back then.
> - CDBurnerXP.  Windows 2000, XP, 2003, Vista, 7, 8, 10.
> - AnyBurn.  Windows 2000, XP, 2003, Vista, 7, 8, 8,1, 10, 11.
> - BurnAware Free.  Windows 7, 8, 10, 11.
> - ImgBurn (I used that for a while).  Windows 9x, ME, NT4, 2000, XP,
>    2003, Vista, 2008, 7, 8, 10.
> 
> You do know you can burn discs using software already bundled in Windows
> 7, 10, and 11, right?
> 
> https://www.howtogeek.com/689705/how-to-burn-a-cd-or-dvd-on-windows-10/
> 
> With Windows 7, you used Windows Media Player, and maybe Windows
> Explorer.  Been too long to remember what I used on Windows 7.

Yes, to most or all of the above.  I still have Nero on my XP (32-Bit) 
build, because in the days when the original build was created as W2k, 
around the turn of the millennium or perhaps a year or two later, I was 
creating my own CDs of favourite tracks to use in the car, backing up 
DVDs by making copies of them to play, copying stuff off my digital 
recorder onto DVD, etc, etc.  Now relative to then, disk space is so 
cheap that I don't need to do any of that any more, I just back up stuff 
onto my NAS, which in turn also has a backup NAS which mirrors it.
This includes all my entertainment  -  DVDs, CDs, ACs, VHSs, vinyls, 
downloads from the the web, etc  -  OS backup images, etc.  Nowadays 
even car stereos can accept a USB stick, hence I haven't actually used 
Nero for, at a guess, around 15 years, and never felt the need to 
include it in my W7 build that was the foundation of all my builds since.

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#182077

On Thu, 06 Feb 2025 19:40:41 -0600, John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 25/02/06 05:26 PM, John C. wrote:
>> On 25/02/06 06:46 AM, John C. wrote:
>>> Well, I did it. I reinstalled Windows 10 Pro. And although I told the
>>> setup not to save my files and settings, it wound up saving a lot of my
>>> files which weren't in the documents or pictures folders.
>>>
>>> Now I'm trying to reinstall the applications that I had before. This
>>> works pretty well except for one HUGE problem. Whenever a program
>>> attempts to set up file associations, it's prevented from doing so by
>>> Windows. Instead, I have to tediously go into Settings/Apps/Default
>>> apps/Choose default apps by file types and tediously find the extension
>>> in that massive list so that I can change the file association for it,
>>> ...one ...file ...type ...at ...a ...time.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, I can wait until I need to open a particular file type
>>> (let's use either a .zip or an .mp3 as an example), right click on the
>>> file, select "Open with>" and set the default application from there.
>>>
>>> Does anybody know of a way make Windows allow programs to set file
>>> associations like in Windows 7?
>>>
>>> Also, why in the world would Microsoft make it so difficult to do like this?
>>>
>>> TIA.
>> To all of you who have replied, thanks very much for doing so.
>>
>> So at this point, ...every ...single ...program ...reinstall so far has
>> been way too problematic.
>
> Eg. Tried to install Nero 7 Essentials. No problem in W7, but in W10 the
> installation fails with several javascript errors. And this is
> attempting to set it up from an OEM DVD.
>

I've recommended ImgBurn in the past to your request for an alternative to Nero.
https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=17940&group=alt.comp.freeware#17940

For a Portable version, Shadow replied in the thread about how to do that.

If you're still interested, v2.5.8.0 is found at
https://www.videohelp.com/software/ImgBurn


>> I am now giving serious consideration to simply wiping the drive, and
>> then installing Windows 7 on it. Then I will install all my drivers and
>> programs, do all the tweaking and adjusting and I will know that it will
>> all work.
>>
>> Then I will downgrade Windows 7 to Windows 10.

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#182081

On 2/6/2025 8:40 PM, John C. wrote:

> 
> Eg. Tried to install Nero 7 Essentials. No problem in W7, but in W10 the
> installation fails with several javascript errors. And this is
> attempting to set it up from an OEM DVD.
> 

    I've been using ImgBurn without incident for years, on XP, 7 and 10.
I just did a data backup to DVD yesterday.

>> I am now giving serious consideration to simply wiping the drive, and
>> then installing Windows 7 on it. Then I will install all my drivers and
>> programs, do all the tweaking and adjusting and I will know that it will
>> all work.
>>
>> Then I will downgrade Windows 7 to Windows 10.
>>

     Note that 7 -> 10 is no longer free. I've found that using 20H2
ISO on a Dell with Win7 worked fine, but not 22H2. I've yet to
try going from 20H2 to 22H2, to see whether it still activates OK.
If you go direct from Win7 to 22H2 you'll need to buy a license.

     Did you already buy a license? In that case there's no issue.
But starting all over sounds rather extreme just because a
program doesn't work. If you think the Win10 install is funky
you could refresh it by mounting the ISO, running setup.exe,
and reinstalling while keeping files.

   I haven't personally found much incompatibility. All of the software
I used on XP works on 10. Visual Studio 6 sometimes shows a COM
error message when the program opens, but there's no other problem.
Paint Shop Pro 5 (circa 1999 :) works fine. The scanner import
is sometimes slightly glitchy, but not a big deal. PDF XChange Viewer
Free had to be updated to v. 2.5 build 322.10. And all the software
I've written myself works without a catch, with the exception of
32-bit shell extensions. They can't run under 64-bit Explorer.

   So a few minor issues,
but impressive considering that my software collection spans 25 years.
If this were Mac I'd need to replace anything more than 2 years old. If it
were Linux then all the software I used previously would likely be long
dead.

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#182086

John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]
> > To all of you who have replied, thanks very much for doing so.
> > 
> > So at this point, ...every ...single ...program ...reinstall so far has
> > been way too problematic.
> 
> Eg. Tried to install Nero 7 Essentials. No problem in W7, but in W10 the
> installation fails with several javascript errors. And this is
> attempting to set it up from an OEM DVD.

  As others mentioned, there are many alternatives (to Nero) and many
just use what comes with Windows. Not that I have burned that many
CDs/DVDs, but ever since Vista, I just used the built-in software
(before that, I had a Plextor CD writer which came with nero5 BURNING
ROM software).

  What special needs do you have that are not met by built-in Windows
tools?

  As to "every ...single ...program ...reinstall so far has been way too
problematic": Can you give examples of some of these other programs and
what kind of problems you had?

  As mentioned, many of us are happily running very old software on our
new (10/11) systems. For example this very post is brought to you
courtesy 22 year old software running on Windows 11. So Windows 10 and
11 can still run quite old software, but that of course does not mean it
can run all old software, nor that doing that is hassle-free.

> > I am now giving serious consideration to simply wiping the drive, and
> > then installing Windows 7 on it. Then I will install all my drivers and
> > programs, do all the tweaking and adjusting and I will know that it will
> > all work.
> > 
> > Then I will downgrade Windows 7 to Windows 10.

  Just anecdotal, but our Windows 8.1. to Windows 10 'upgrade' went
without a glitch.

  Anyway, good luck with your efforts.

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#182105

On 25/02/06 05:40 PM, John C. wrote:
> On 25/02/06 05:26 PM, John C. wrote:
>> On 25/02/06 06:46 AM, John C. wrote:
>>> Well, I did it. I reinstalled Windows 10 Pro. And although I told the
>>> setup not to save my files and settings, it wound up saving a lot of my
>>> files which weren't in the documents or pictures folders.
>>>
>>> Now I'm trying to reinstall the applications that I had before. This
>>> works pretty well except for one HUGE problem. Whenever a program
>>> attempts to set up file associations, it's prevented from doing so by
>>> Windows. Instead, I have to tediously go into Settings/Apps/Default
>>> apps/Choose default apps by file types and tediously find the extension
>>> in that massive list so that I can change the file association for it,
>>> ...one ...file ...type ...at ...a ...time.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, I can wait until I need to open a particular file type
>>> (let's use either a .zip or an .mp3 as an example), right click on the
>>> file, select "Open with>" and set the default application from there.
>>>
>>> Does anybody know of a way make Windows allow programs to set file
>>> associations like in Windows 7?
>>>
>>> Also, why in the world would Microsoft make it so difficult to do like this?
>>>
>>> TIA.
>> To all of you who have replied, thanks very much for doing so.
>>
>> So at this point, ...every ...single ...program ...reinstall so far has
>> been way too problematic.
> 
> Eg. Tried to install Nero 7 Essentials. No problem in W7, but in W10 the
> installation fails with several javascript errors. And this is
> attempting to set it up from an OEM DVD.

Was able to get it installed this morning. Works fine.

>> I am now giving serious consideration to simply wiping the drive, and
>> then installing Windows 7 on it. Then I will install all my drivers and
>> programs, do all the tweaking and adjusting and I will know that it will
>> all work.
>>
>> Then I will downgrade Windows 7 to Windows 10.

Not at this point though. I've almost got the computer back to where it
was before the failed update install caused all the problems.

-- 
John C.

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#182061

"John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On 25/02/06 06:46 AM, John C. wrote:
>> Well, I did it. I reinstalled Windows 10 Pro. And although I told the
>> setup not to save my files and settings, it wound up saving a lot of my
>> files which weren't in the documents or pictures folders.
>> 
>> Now I'm trying to reinstall the applications that I had before. This
>> works pretty well except for one HUGE problem. Whenever a program
>> attempts to set up file associations, it's prevented from doing so by
>> Windows. Instead, I have to tediously go into Settings/Apps/Default
>> apps/Choose default apps by file types and tediously find the extension
>> in that massive list so that I can change the file association for it,
>> ...one ...file ...type ...at ...a ...time.
>> 
>> Alternatively, I can wait until I need to open a particular file type
>> (let's use either a .zip or an .mp3 as an example), right click on the
>> file, select "Open with>" and set the default application from there.
>> 
>> Does anybody know of a way make Windows allow programs to set file
>> associations like in Windows 7?
>> 
>> Also, why in the world would Microsoft make it so difficult to do like this?
>> 
>> TIA.
> To all of you who have replied, thanks very much for doing so.
> 
> So at this point, ...every ...single ...program ...reinstall so far has
> been way too problematic.
> 
> I am now giving serious consideration to simply wiping the drive, and
> then installing Windows 7 on it. Then I will install all my drivers and
> programs, do all the tweaking and adjusting and I will know that it will
> all work.
> 
> Then I will downgrade Windows 7 to Windows 10.

You sure you wouldn't be happier just sticking with the fresh Windows 7
install, and forget Windows 10 altogether, for now.

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#182072

On 25/02/06 07:12 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
> "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 25/02/06 06:46 AM, John C. wrote:
>>> Well, I did it. I reinstalled Windows 10 Pro. And although I told the
>>> setup not to save my files and settings, it wound up saving a lot of my
>>> files which weren't in the documents or pictures folders.
>>>
>>> Now I'm trying to reinstall the applications that I had before. This
>>> works pretty well except for one HUGE problem. Whenever a program
>>> attempts to set up file associations, it's prevented from doing so by
>>> Windows. Instead, I have to tediously go into Settings/Apps/Default
>>> apps/Choose default apps by file types and tediously find the extension
>>> in that massive list so that I can change the file association for it,
>>> ...one ...file ...type ...at ...a ...time.
>>>
>>> Alternatively, I can wait until I need to open a particular file type
>>> (let's use either a .zip or an .mp3 as an example), right click on the
>>> file, select "Open with>" and set the default application from there.
>>>
>>> Does anybody know of a way make Windows allow programs to set file
>>> associations like in Windows 7?
>>>
>>> Also, why in the world would Microsoft make it so difficult to do like this?
>>>
>>> TIA.
>> To all of you who have replied, thanks very much for doing so.
>>
>> So at this point, ...every ...single ...program ...reinstall so far has
>> been way too problematic.
>>
>> I am now giving serious consideration to simply wiping the drive, and
>> then installing Windows 7 on it. Then I will install all my drivers and
>> programs, do all the tweaking and adjusting and I will know that it will
>> all work.
>>
>> Then I will downgrade Windows 7 to Windows 10.
> 
> You sure you wouldn't be happier just sticking with the fresh Windows 7
> install, and forget Windows 10 altogether, for now.

Well, it's very strange. My User Account is an administrator one, but
I'm having to right click on every program's setup file and choose "Run
as an Administrator". This worked when I installed Nero 7 Essentials a
little while ago. However, it installed the Lightscribe System Software
and when I just tried to remove it using Programs and Features, I got
the following error message:
_________________________________________________________________________
LS_HSI

You do not have sufficient privileges to complete this installation for
all users of the machine. Log on as an administrator and then retry this
installation.

[OK}
_________________________________________________________________________

When I click on the "OK" button, that ends the uninstall process without
it doing anything.

-- 
John C.

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#182079

"John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Well, it's very strange. My User Account is an administrator one, but
> I'm having to right click on every program's setup file and choose "Run
> as an Administrator". This worked when I installed Nero 7 Essentials a
> little while ago. However, it installed the Lightscribe System Software
> and when I just tried to remove it using Programs and Features, I got
> the following error message:
> _________________________________________________________________________
> LS_HSI
> 
> You do not have sufficient privileges to complete this installation for
> all users of the machine. Log on as an administrator and then retry this
> installation.
> 
> [OK}
> _________________________________________________________________________
> 
> When I click on the "OK" button, that ends the uninstall process without
> it doing anything.

Nero Essentials 11 is 13 years old.  The Nero Essentials 7 you are
trying to install is even older.  Neither of those are designed to
install on an OS that didn't yet exist until several years later.

Lightscribe came bundled with Nero stuff.  I don't remember if the Nero
install had a custom install that let you decide what to install, or if
they were rude in forcing the install of Lightscribe without your
permission.  The final release of Lightscribe was 11 years ago, again
before Windows 10 showed up.

Windows accounts in the Administrators security group do NOT have full
privileges, just more of them.  Perhaps you need to run the installer
program (which is also the uninstaller) under the SYSTEM account.  I
know SysInternals psexec lets you select under which account to run a
program.  If you don't want to use psexec (Microsoft acquired
SysInternals), you could define an event in Task Scheduler that runs
under the SYSTEM accocunt.

Might be easier to use Revo Uninstaller to get rid of Lightscribe.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/unistalling-lightscribe-direct-disk-labeling/dea5ae74-4bc8-4c1a-bd2e-a388a170d004

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#182106

On 25/02/07 06:18 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
> "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Well, it's very strange. My User Account is an administrator one, but
>> I'm having to right click on every program's setup file and choose "Run
>> as an Administrator". This worked when I installed Nero 7 Essentials a
>> little while ago. However, it installed the Lightscribe System Software
>> and when I just tried to remove it using Programs and Features, I got
>> the following error message:
>> _________________________________________________________________________
>> LS_HSI
>>
>> You do not have sufficient privileges to complete this installation for
>> all users of the machine. Log on as an administrator and then retry this
>> installation.
>>
>> [OK}
>> _________________________________________________________________________
>>
>> When I click on the "OK" button, that ends the uninstall process without
>> it doing anything.
> 
> Nero Essentials 11 is 13 years old.  The Nero Essentials 7 you are
> trying to install is even older.  Neither of those are designed to
> install on an OS that didn't yet exist until several years later.

Finally got it installed this morning. Working fine.

> Lightscribe came bundled with Nero stuff.  I don't remember if the Nero
> install had a custom install that let you decide what to install, or if
> they were rude in forcing the install of Lightscribe without your
> permission.  The final release of Lightscribe was 11 years ago, again
> before Windows 10 showed up.

Yeah, it got installed in the background this morning and at no point
during the setup was I allowed an opportunity to turn it down. Not only
that, but it didn't want to get uninstalled. Eventually though, I was
able to use Revo Uninstaller to get rid of it.

> Windows accounts in the Administrators security group do NOT have full
> privileges, just more of them.  Perhaps you need to run the installer
> program (which is also the uninstaller) under the SYSTEM account.  I
> know SysInternals psexec lets you select under which account to run a
> program.  If you don't want to use psexec (Microsoft acquired
> SysInternals), you could define an event in Task Scheduler that runs
> under the SYSTEM accocunt.

I actually ran the Nero setup as an administrator. That's what got it
installed.

> Might be easier to use Revo Uninstaller to get rid of Lightscribe.

Yes, MS Copilot told me that and it worked.

> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/unistalling-lightscribe-direct-disk-labeling/dea5ae74-4bc8-4c1a-bd2e-a388a170d004

-- 
John C.

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#182107

"John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> Lightscribe came bundled with Nero stuff.  I don't remember if the Nero
>> install had a custom install that let you decide what to install, or if
>> they were rude in forcing the install of Lightscribe without your
>> permission.
> 
> Yeah, it got installed in the background this morning and at no point
> during the setup was I allowed an opportunity to turn it down. Not only
> that, but it didn't want to get uninstalled. Eventually though, I was
> able to use Revo Uninstaller to get rid of it.

I've used Revo Uninstaller free for awhile.  I even paid for it, but it
became subscriptionware ($25 for 1 year), and eventually I got
proficient at removing remnant registry entries and files to do the same
effort.  While the free version works well for common programs, the
payware version includes a bigger database that records the changes (and
what to undo) for more in-depth eradication.  Eventually it really
didn't do more than I could do.  After a year for the Pro version, you
get nagged the license expired, but the Pro version continues to work as
a Pro version (no crippling), but with no updates.

If you use the aggressive mode to uninstall, you assume the role of a
sysadmin, and must know which registry entries are for the program,
which are merely referenced by other programs, and which are dependent
or independent of other registry entries.  Same for removing the remnant
files.

https://www.revouninstaller.com/products/revo-uninstaller-free/

There is a free vs paid comparison there.  The feature to remove browser
plug-ins is pretty defunct for many years.  

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#182085

John C. wrote on 2/7/25 5:17 AM:
> Well, it's very strange. My User Account is an administrator one, but
> I'm having to right click on every program's setup file and choose "Run
> as an Administrator". This worked when I installed Nero 7 Essentials a
> little while ago. However, it installed the Lightscribe System Software
> and when I just tried to remove it using Programs and Features, I got
> the following error message:
> _________________________________________________________________________
> LS_HSI
> 
> You do not have sufficient privileges to complete this installation for
> all users of the machine. Log on as an administrator and then retry this
> installation.
> 
> [OK}
> _________________________________________________________________________
> 
> When I click on the "OK" button, that ends the uninstall process without
> it doing anything.
> 

Installing 3rd party software.
  Prior to installation, Rt click on the exe or msi file's properties
  => Look in the dialog box window and click on the 'Unblock' box, then 
click on 'Apply'. Close the dialog box. Install the program.

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