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  WIN1  1One-line taskbar;   Starting wndwos without pasword micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-02 19:07 -0500
    Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-02 19:58 -0500
      Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-04 09:31 -0500
    Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-02 20:02 -0500
      Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2025-02-03 10:35 +0000
        Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-03 08:37 -0500
          Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-04 11:21 +0000
          Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-04 09:29 -0500
            Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-04 10:11 -0500
            Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-04 15:20 +0000
      Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-04 09:28 -0500
        Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-02-04 09:57 -0500
    Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2025-02-10 11:35 -0500
      Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-10 19:16 +0000
        Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-02-10 15:13 -0700
          Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-02-11 11:02 +0000
      Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-02-10 17:14 -0500

#181909 — WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword

This is a win11 post but I included win10 so readers there will see what
they are in for if they switch to 11.  :-)  

THE TASK BAR
So far, the biggest problem is the task bar.  it seems one cannot make
it more than one line high.   Is there any way around that? 

I saw the 3 dots to look at more programs but they are so small. I know
it will lead to mistakes.  
  
When the Task Bar was redesigned in win10 I didn't like it and preferred
the Quick Launch Bar, but I've gotten to like it.  I see there is a
complicated way to add the QL bar back, but that is only useful for
starting the program.  The win10 task bar let you see each of multiple
instances of the program, as with Chrome or Firefox, so you couuld click
on the one you wanted.   I used 7+ Taskbar TWeaker to ungroup them when
occasionally something would regroup them but 7+TT is not going to be
updated for win11. 

STARTING WINDOWS WITHOUT A PASSWORD
There are lots of pages showing how to start windows without a password,
but they all say to use netplwiz, which they say will have a checkbox
"Require password" and to uncheck that box, but when I use netplwiz,
there is no such check box.  Is this method obsolete or is it me?  Is
there a method that works? 

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#181910 — Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword

On Sun, 2/2/2025 7:07 PM, micky wrote:
> This is a win11 post but I included win10 so readers there will see what
> they are in for if they switch to 11.  :-)  
> 
> THE TASK BAR
> So far, the biggest problem is the task bar.  it seems one cannot make
> it more than one line high.   Is there any way around that? 
> 
> I saw the 3 dots to look at more programs but they are so small. I know
> it will lead to mistakes.  
>   
> When the Task Bar was redesigned in win10 I didn't like it and preferred
> the Quick Launch Bar, but I've gotten to like it.  I see there is a
> complicated way to add the QL bar back, but that is only useful for
> starting the program.  The win10 task bar let you see each of multiple
> instances of the program, as with Chrome or Firefox, so you couuld click
> on the one you wanted.   I used 7+ Taskbar TWeaker to ungroup them when
> occasionally something would regroup them but 7+TT is not going to be
> updated for win11. 
> 
> STARTING WINDOWS WITHOUT A PASSWORD
> There are lots of pages showing how to start windows without a password,
> but they all say to use netplwiz, which they say will have a checkbox
> "Require password" and to uncheck that box, but when I use netplwiz,
> there is no such check box.  Is this method obsolete or is it me?  Is
> there a method that works? 
> 

netplwiz stopped working some time ago. There is some registry setting for it.
And these sorts of recipes age rapidly, so there is no reason for
some of these things to still be working today.

1)  https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/auto-sign-in-missing-from-netplwiz/1c06918b-04e0-4b2f-ab67-8b5bd7eee89b

2)  net user username ""         # As Administrator

3)  https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/autologon

Note that some recipes that got broken, started working again,
implying a Patch Tuesday broke them and some later fix put
the methods back again. For example, I tried psexec and it
was working again.

Make a backup first. You don't want to try one of these crazy ideas
and end up locked out of your own OS :-)

And this stuff isn't particularly for MSA use. As far as I know
the easy ways are for local accounts. Where toying with the Registry is
sufficient to do the job.

You probably have a password flattener in your Hirens for
things like this. There are two kinds of password attacks.
"Cracking" a password, is so the victim does not know that
you know the password. "Flattening" the password, the victim
can tell that Micky has attacked the machine, and perhaps
Micky and the other party know what the plan is (a password reset).

Whereas an MSA is bound to have some differences in terms
of the implementation. Finding some notes for John the Ripper
on Kali, might tell you how the MSA info is stored (whatever part
of it is locally cached).

Enough recipes you can make a hobby out of this.

If you use File Sharing, it's quite possible the account
lacking the password, is not going to be treated favorably
if you attempt to log into a share protected that way.
Windows does have some visceral responses to blank passwords.

You should always have one account with Administrators capability.
If you lose that, some of the "breaking into the OS" recipes
no longer work. Like using Safe Mode so Windows Defender isn't
running and doing one of the recipes under those conditions.
The recipes are unlikely to work if Windows Defender is running.

And back up the OS, using a method that works. I know the scary
kids like to use broken methods, so they even have to hack
the restore to get it working again :-)

   Paul

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#181956 — Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 2 Feb 2025 19:58:34 -0500, Paul
<nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>On Sun, 2/2/2025 7:07 PM, micky wrote:
>> This is a win11 post but I included win10 so readers there will see what
>> they are in for if they switch to 11.  :-)  
>> 
>> THE TASK BAR
>> So far, the biggest problem is the task bar.  it seems one cannot make
>> it more than one line high.   Is there any way around that? 
>> 
>> I saw the 3 dots to look at more programs but they are so small. I know
>> it will lead to mistakes.  
>>   
>> When the Task Bar was redesigned in win10 I didn't like it and preferred
>> the Quick Launch Bar, but I've gotten to like it.  I see there is a
>> complicated way to add the QL bar back, but that is only useful for
>> starting the program.  The win10 task bar let you see each of multiple
>> instances of the program, as with Chrome or Firefox, so you couuld click
>> on the one you wanted.   I used 7+ Taskbar TWeaker to ungroup them when
>> occasionally something would regroup them but 7+TT is not going to be
>> updated for win11. 
>> 
>> STARTING WINDOWS WITHOUT A PASSWORD
>> There are lots of pages showing how to start windows without a password,
>> but they all say to use netplwiz, which they say will have a checkbox
>> "Require password" and to uncheck that box, but when I use netplwiz,
>> there is no such check box.  Is this method obsolete or is it me?  Is
>> there a method that works? 
>> 
>
>netplwiz stopped working some time ago. There is some registry setting for it.
>And these sorts of recipes age rapidly, so there is no reason for
>some of these things to still be working today.
>
>1)  https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/auto-sign-in-missing-from-netplwiz/1c06918b-04e0-4b2f-ab67-8b5bd7eee89b
>
>2)  net user username ""         # As Administrator

1 and 3 looked pretty complicated, but 2 here was easy.  I've only
rebooted once since I used it, but it worked fine that time, so I expect
I'm done.  

None of the webpages I had found found any of these 3 although if I'd
used different words just maybe I would have found #3. 

Thanks a lot. 
>
>3)  https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/autologon
>
>Note that some recipes that got broken, started working again,
>implying a Patch Tuesday broke them and some later fix put
>the methods back again. For example, I tried psexec and it
>was working again.
>
>Make a backup first. You don't want to try one of these crazy ideas
>and end up locked out of your own OS :-)
>
>And this stuff isn't particularly for MSA use. As far as I know
>the easy ways are for local accounts. Where toying with the Registry is
>sufficient to do the job.
>
>You probably have a password flattener in your Hirens for
>things like this. There are two kinds of password attacks.
>"Cracking" a password, is so the victim does not know that
>you know the password. "Flattening" the password, the victim
>can tell that Micky has attacked the machine, and perhaps
>Micky and the other party know what the plan is (a password reset).
>
>Whereas an MSA is bound to have some differences in terms
>of the implementation. Finding some notes for John the Ripper
>on Kali, might tell you how the MSA info is stored (whatever part
>of it is locally cached).
>
>Enough recipes you can make a hobby out of this.
>
>If you use File Sharing, it's quite possible the account
>lacking the password, is not going to be treated favorably
>if you attempt to log into a share protected that way.
>Windows does have some visceral responses to blank passwords.
>
>You should always have one account with Administrators capability.
>If you lose that, some of the "breaking into the OS" recipes
>no longer work. Like using Safe Mode so Windows Defender isn't
>running and doing one of the recipes under those conditions.
>The recipes are unlikely to work if Windows Defender is running.
>
>And back up the OS, using a method that works. I know the scary
>kids like to use broken methods, so they even have to hack
>the restore to get it working again :-)
>
>   Paul

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#181912 — Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword

On 2/2/2025 7:07 PM, micky wrote:
> This is a win11 post but I included win10 so readers there will see what
> they are in for if they switch to 11.  :-)
> 
> THE TASK BAR
> So far, the biggest problem is the task bar.  it seems one cannot make
> it more than one line high.   Is there any way around that?
> 
> I saw the 3 dots to look at more programs but they are so small. I know
> it will lead to mistakes.
>    
> When the Task Bar was redesigned in win10 I didn't like it and preferred
> the Quick Launch Bar, but I've gotten to like it.  I see there is a
> complicated way to add the QL bar back, but that is only useful for
> starting the program.  The win10 task bar let you see each of multiple
> instances of the program, as with Chrome or Firefox, so you couuld click
> on the one you wanted.   I used 7+ Taskbar TWeaker to ungroup them when
> occasionally something would regroup them but 7+TT is not going to be
> updated for win11.
> 
> STARTING WINDOWS WITHOUT A PASSWORD
> There are lots of pages showing how to start windows without a password,
> but they all say to use netplwiz, which they say will have a checkbox
> "Require password" and to uncheck that box, but when I use netplwiz,
> there is no such check box.  Is this method obsolete or is it me?  Is
> there a method that works?
> 

First, install Exporer Patcher.
https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher/releases

That seems to be a shell extension. It fixes the broken bits and
provides a right-click menu. On that menu, select the taskbar
setting near the top. I don;t remember which item selection to choose.
Maybe the Windows 10 option. There are only 2 or 3 options,
anyway.

   There are also some other options, but they're optionsavailab
elsewhere. Once you change the taskbar style you get the old
context menu with "Toolbars". Now you can add back Quick Launch.

   To fix the messed up size, you can now use this setting:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced\TaskbarSi

dword
0 minimum, 1 default, 2 large

    But I think you need Explorer Patcher for it to work. I've also
found Win11 pretty much like 10, except for the taskbar mess.

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#181921 — Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword

Newyana2 wrote:

> First, install Exporer Patcher.
> https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher/releases
> 
> That seems to be a shell extension. It fixes the broken bits 

Do you really want to run a chimera of a taskbar/start menu stitched 
together from parts of Win11 and Win10?

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#181926 — Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword

On 2/3/2025 5:35 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> Newyana2 wrote:
> 
>> First, install Exporer Patcher.
>> https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher/releases
>>
>> That seems to be a shell extension. It fixes the broken bits 
> 
> Do you really want to run a chimera of a taskbar/start menu stitched 
> together from parts of Win11 and Win10?

    Rather a strong opinion. :)

    Shell extensions are not monstrosities. And it's not stitched together.
The whole approach is designed by Microsoft as a way to customize
and enhance Windows. I've been using EP, and it works. Microsoft's
Win11 taskbar doesn't work properly. This fixes it. It fixes the problem
of the bar not fitting the icons. It fixes the problem of Quick Launch
not working. (QL provides a responsive, independent and closely packed
set of shortcuts, separate from the "badges" on the taskbar. To my mind,
integrating shortcut icons and badges is a confusing design flaw.)

   It's a bit ironic that you'd call normal functionality a chimera.
You think it's not a pasted-together monstrosity to have an irrelevant
Search bar half-covering the taskbar, with a News and Interests
icon that pops up a tabloid news window if you accidentally pass the
mouse over it? To each their own. Granted, you can read about last
night's Grammy's costumes without having to even open a browser.
Maybe that's an improvement in your mind? Or, like Winston, do you
just feel that Microsoft should be accepted as your master and that
it's disrespectful to customize? For me, Windows is a tool. A platform
to host software. Whatever works for me makes sense. (Don't tell
anyone, but I also sometime alter recipes in cookbooks. I'm a wild
and crazy guy.)

   The Start Menu is similar. Microsoft presents a confusing mess
of Metro/UWP advertising and complications where I expect
to just see a list of program links. Open Shell fixes that.

   I use these products because they work dependably and they improve
Windows. Open Shell changes the Start Menu from a late night TV
commercial on acid to what works: Links to programs I use and
Control Panel.

   Open Shell doesn't copy a Win10 Start Menu. More like 98/XP.
Or one can also have the initial infection if desired: Windows 7 with
the irrelevant extra panel. It can be as messy or as sane as you like.

   I've written shell extensions myself. Property pages and an Explorer
Bar. I'd be using my Explorer Bar still, but it's 32-bit only. If you're
not familiar with shell extensions then you might look it up. There's
an extensive and perfectly kosher API for them.

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#181947 — Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword

Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> On 2/3/2025 5:35 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> > Newyana2 wrote:
> > 
> >> First, install Exporer Patcher.
> >> https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher/releases
> >>
> >> That seems to be a shell extension. It fixes the broken bits 
> > 
> > Do you really want to run a chimera of a taskbar/start menu stitched 
> > together from parts of Win11 and Win10?
> 
>     Rather a strong opinion. :)

[...]

>    It's a bit ironic that you'd call normal functionality a chimera.
> You think it's not a pasted-together monstrosity to have an irrelevant
> Search bar half-covering the taskbar,

  <barf!>
  
  "Search bar half-covering the taskbar"!? You can have only the Search
icon, or the icon with a label or completely hide it, which would be the
logical thing to do, as you use Open-Shell Menu, which has its own
search box. But doing that, you'd have no cause to whinge.  Bummer that.

[More of the same rants deleted.]

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#181955 — Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 3 Feb 2025 08:37:53 -0500, Newyana2
<newyana@invalid.nospam> wrote:

>On 2/3/2025 5:35 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Newyana2 wrote:
>> 
>>> First, install Exporer Patcher.
>>> https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher/releases
>>>
>>> That seems to be a shell extension. It fixes the broken bits 
>> 
>> Do you really want to run a chimera of a taskbar/start menu stitched 
>> together from parts of Win11 and Win10?
>
>    Rather a strong opinion. :)
>
>    Shell extensions are not monstrosities. And it's not stitched together.
>The whole approach is designed by Microsoft as a way to customize
>and enhance Windows. I've been using EP, and it works. Microsoft's
>Win11 taskbar doesn't work properly. This fixes it. It fixes the problem
>of the bar not fitting the icons. It fixes the problem of Quick Launch
>not working. (QL provides a responsive, independent and closely packed
>set of shortcuts, separate from the "badges" on the taskbar. To my mind,
>integrating shortcut icons and badges is a confusing design flaw.)
>
>   It's a bit ironic that you'd call normal functionality a chimera.
>You think it's not a pasted-together monstrosity to have an irrelevant
>Search bar half-covering the taskbar, with a News and Interests
>icon that pops up a tabloid news window if you accidentally pass the
>mouse over it? To each their own. Granted, you can read about last
>night's Grammy's costumes without having to even open a browser.
>Maybe that's an improvement in your mind? Or, like Winston, do you
>just feel that Microsoft should be accepted as your master and that
>it's disrespectful to customize? For me, Windows is a tool. A platform
>to host software. Whatever works for me makes sense. (Don't tell
>anyone, but I also sometime alter recipes in cookbooks. I'm a wild
>and crazy guy.)
>
>   The Start Menu is similar. Microsoft presents a confusing mess
>of Metro/UWP advertising and complications where I expect
>to just see a list of program links. Open Shell fixes that.
>
>   I use these products because they work dependably and they improve
>Windows. Open Shell changes the Start Menu from a late night TV
>commercial on acid to what works: Links to programs I use and
>Control Panel.

I had planned to continue using Open Shell also.  Do you think I should
install that after the Explorer Patch changes, or before?

Do the peoople here who have give Newyana a hard time think I can
actually hurt myself with ExplorerPatch, or any o fthe other
suggestions? 
>
>   Open Shell doesn't copy a Win10 Start Menu. More like 98/XP.
>Or one can also have the initial infection if desired: Windows 7 with
>the irrelevant extra panel. It can be as messy or as sane as you like.
>
>   I've written shell extensions myself. Property pages and an Explorer
>Bar. I'd be using my Explorer Bar still, but it's 32-bit only. If you're
>not familiar with shell extensions then you might look it up. There's
>an extensive and perfectly kosher API for them.

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#181958 — Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword

On 2/4/2025 9:29 AM, micky wrote:

> I had planned to continue using Open Shell also.  Do you think I should
> install that after the Explorer Patch changes, or before?

   I'm using both on Win10 and Win11. On this Win10 I have
Classic Shell but I expect Open Shell is a safer option for
Win11. I always install that first, mostly just so that I can
use the damn operating system without being harassed by
ads and stock quotes! But I don't think there's a reason that
one must bebefore the other.

   I don't know the details of how either works. My guess is
that both are shell extensions, which are small programs
that get loaded by Explorer to add custom functionality.
All I know is that both are working well for me. You could
certainly do a search online and see if anyone has had trouble.
In my limited experience, Open Shell is critical for making
Win10/11 usable, and EP is a nice luxury for fixing a broken
Win11 taskbar.

> Do the peoople here who have give Newyana a hard time think I can
> actually hurt myself with ExplorerPatch, or any o fthe other
> suggestions?

  It's always caveat emptor. The Registry setting isn't a risk.
Shell extensions can always be a risk if they're not made right.
But I think the complaints about these things are not based on
any data -- at least I haven't seen any reports of problems.
It's more a philosophical or religious position. Some people
worship Microsoft (or Apple) and don't think it's right to mess
with the product. "If God meant for you to be able to find your
programs then He would have given you a functional Start
Menu."

   Those are usually the same people who say one should never
run as admin. Interestingly, these attitudes don't derive from
objective facts about security and dependability. Rather, they
come mostly from people used to computer use in corporate
settings, where it's not safe or proper to let employees control
the computer.

   There's no reason not to adjust the tool to fit your needs.
But there can always be risks, so one needs to check it
out and make backups with any experimentation. Of course,
there are some crazy-ass, reckless things that one should
never do without backup and a recent disk image, like letting
Microsoft install one of their dripfeed updates. :)

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#181959 — Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]

> I had planned to continue using Open Shell also.  Do you think I should
> install that after the Explorer Patch changes, or before?
> 
> Do the peoople here who have give Newyana a hard time think I can
> actually hurt myself with ExplorerPatch, or any o fthe other
> suggestions? 

  You're micky, so sure you can hurt yourself! :-)

  But seriously, with Open-Shell Menu, I have absolutely no need to have
a multi-line Taskbar.

  I still have some icons on the Taskbar which could be hidden/removed,
but even with those about 5 'unneeded' ones, I still have space for 10
more icons on the left free space on the Taskbar and about 3 on the
right. (And I have 9 icons in the System tray area.)

  I can't comment on Explorer Patcher as I don't need/use it.

[...]

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#181954 — Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 2 Feb 2025 20:02:15 -0500, Newyana2
<newyana@invalid.nospam> wrote:

>On 2/2/2025 7:07 PM, micky wrote:
>> This is a win11 post but I included win10 so readers there will see what
>> they are in for if they switch to 11.  :-)
>> 
>> THE TASK BAR
>> So far, the biggest problem is the task bar.  it seems one cannot make
>> it more than one line high.   Is there any way around that?
>> 
>> I saw the 3 dots to look at more programs but they are so small. I know
>> it will lead to mistakes.
>>    
>> When the Task Bar was redesigned in win10 I didn't like it and preferred
>> the Quick Launch Bar, but I've gotten to like it.  I see there is a
>> complicated way to add the QL bar back, but that is only useful for
>> starting the program.  The win10 task bar let you see each of multiple
>> instances of the program, as with Chrome or Firefox, so you couuld click
>> on the one you wanted.   I used 7+ Taskbar TWeaker to ungroup them when
>> occasionally something would regroup them but 7+TT is not going to be
>> updated for win11.
>> 
>> STARTING WINDOWS WITHOUT A PASSWORD
>> There are lots of pages showing how to start windows without a password,
>> but they all say to use netplwiz, which they say will have a checkbox
>> "Require password" and to uncheck that box, but when I use netplwiz,
>> there is no such check box.  Is this method obsolete or is it me?  Is
>> there a method that works?
>> 
>
>First, install Exporer Patcher.
>https://github.com/valinet/ExplorerPatcher/releases
>
>That seems to be a shell extension. It fixes the broken bits and
>provides a right-click menu. On that menu, select the taskbar
>setting near the top. I don;t remember which item selection to choose.
>Maybe the Windows 10 option. There are only 2 or 3 options,
>anyway.
>
>   There are also some other options, but they're optionsavailab
>elsewhere. Once you change the taskbar style you get the old
>context menu with "Toolbars". Now you can add back Quick Launch.
>
>   To fix the messed up size, you can now use this setting:

Is this intended just to make a one-line task bar bigger, or would it
let me have 2 or 3 lines within it.  That's what I most want. 

Or is this just meant to get back the QL bar? 
>
>HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced\TaskbarSi
>
>dword
>0 minimum, 1 default, 2 large
>
>    But I think you need Explorer Patcher for it to work. I've also
>found Win11 pretty much like 10, except for the taskbar mess.

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#181957 — Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword

On 2/4/2025 9:28 AM, micky wrote:

>>    To fix the messed up size, you can now use this setting:
> 
> Is this intended just to make a one-line task bar bigger, or would it
> let me have 2 or 3 lines within it.  That's what I most want.
> 
   In my case I had small size icons but the bar was higher.
A bit too high. And it can't be dragged in Win11. By using the
0 setting the height was fixed. I'm guessing the sizes correspond
to icons of 16, 32, or 48 pixels, but I haven't tried the other
settings.

> Or is this just meant to get back the QL bar?

   This setting has nothing to do with QL. The Registry setting is
for fixing taskbar height. I think it requires Explorer Patcher, but
I'm not sure about that. EP is for returning the taskbar to its old
functionality. In my case I mainly just wanted to get a QL
toolbar. To do that you still have to go through the old steps
of adding the toolbar via context menu, pointing it to the QL
folder, etc.

>>
>> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced\TaskbarSi
>>
>> dword
>> 0 minimum, 1 default, 2 large
>>
>>     But I think you need Explorer Patcher for it to work. I've also
>> found Win11 pretty much like 10, except for the taskbar mess.

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#182174 — Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword

In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on 6 Feb 2025 13:19:50 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

>micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>> In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Mon, 3 Feb 2025 10:30:22 +0100, Herbert
>> Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> wrote:
>> 
>> >
>> >> starting the program.  The win10 task bar let you see each of multiple
>> >> instances of the program, as with Chrome or Firefox, so you couuld click
>> >> on the one you wanted.  
>> >
>> >You can change this in the taskbar settings. But if the taskbar is full,
>> >then this doesn't help.
>> 
>> Why does MS mess things up that work well?
>
>  Why is this even a problem? In Windows 10 (and 11 and perhaps even
>earlier), you see little thumbnail-like windows of the multiple
>instances if you hover over the icon on the Taskbar. So instead of tiny
>instances on the Taskbar, you see much bigger/clearer instances above
>the Taskbar.
>
>  For example, I have often multiple instances of the 'Command Prompt'
>window open and I just hover 

You say "just" but imagine if there was room for only one item on the
task bar and to go to any of your programs, you had to hover over it,
wait for it to display all of them and then click on the one you want. I
would find that delay very annoying.  Maybe you would too. 

In addition, I gradually moved everything from the ql bar to the task
bar, but there isn't room for all of the programs I use regularly**. 

**On win10:  Volume Mixer, Solitaire, File explorer, Free Alarm Clock,
Notepad++, Notepads, Kindle, Forte Agent, Tunein, Task Manager,
RadioMaximus, Everything, Wordpad (also gone in win11), CMD, Settings,
Chrome, MyPhoneExplorer, Firefox, AutoHotKey, Libreoffice Writer, Anvir
Task Manager
    and on occasion Fastone Image Viewer, Ifranview, Ransack, XnView,
Willmaker, Pandora, TccLe, Power Toys, Macrium Reflect, VLC 
    and on rare occasions Whatsapp, Thunderbird, Battery Viewer, Speccy,
Zoom, Universal USB Installer, ExpressVPN, Minitool Data Recovery,
Skype, 

These fit in three rows of the taskbar in win10, and I have 2 rows
showing with a scroll bar thoughtfully provided by MS on the right, but
they won't come close to fitting in win11.  

>over the icon on the Taskbar to see which
>instances I have and then click on the little window of the desired one.

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#182185 — Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on 6 Feb 2025 13:19:50 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> 
> >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> >> In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Mon, 3 Feb 2025 10:30:22 +0100, Herbert
> >> Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >> starting the program.  The win10 task bar let you see each of multiple
> >> >> instances of the program, as with Chrome or Firefox, so you couuld click
> >> >> on the one you wanted.  
> >> >
> >> >You can change this in the taskbar settings. But if the taskbar is full,
> >> >then this doesn't help.
> >> 
> >> Why does MS mess things up that work well?
> >
> >  Why is this even a problem? In Windows 10 (and 11 and perhaps even
> >earlier), you see little thumbnail-like windows of the multiple
> >instances if you hover over the icon on the Taskbar. So instead of tiny
> >instances on the Taskbar, you see much bigger/clearer instances above
> >the Taskbar.
> >
> >  For example, I have often multiple instances of the 'Command Prompt'
> >window open and I just hover over the icon on the Taskbar to see
> >which instances I have and then click on the little window of the
> >desired one.
> 
> You say "just" but imagine if there was room for only one item on the
> task bar and to go to any of your programs, you had to hover over it,
> wait for it to display all of them and then click on the one you want. I
> would find that delay very annoying.  Maybe you would too. 

  There is no "wait for it to display all of them"! It's instant! I
can't time it, but it's probably a tenth of a second. Why don't you just
try it, instead of imagining 'problems' which don't actually exist.

  BTW, "imagine if there was room for only one item on the task bar and
to go to any of your programs," has nothing to do with it. It's only
relevant to multiple instances of the *same* program. See/read my
example of multiple instances of the 'Command Prompt' or your example of
multiple instances of Chrome or Firefox. (Just to be sure, I had checked
it for Chrome and it works exactly the same, which is as expected,
because it's a function of Windows, not of Chrome/Firefox/<whatever>.)

> In addition, I gradually moved everything from the ql bar to the task
> bar, but there isn't room for all of the programs I use regularly**. 
> 
> **On win10:  Volume Mixer, Solitaire, File explorer, Free Alarm Clock,
> Notepad++, Notepads, Kindle, Forte Agent, Tunein, Task Manager,
> RadioMaximus, Everything, Wordpad (also gone in win11), CMD, Settings,
> Chrome, MyPhoneExplorer, Firefox, AutoHotKey, Libreoffice Writer, Anvir
> Task Manager

  If I count correctly, that's 22 icons. As I mentioned earlier, I have
plenty of space in both unused areas of my Taskbar. I have currently 16
icons and can easily accomodate 6 more and that's *not* counting the
rather large space used by my System tray icons.

>     and on occasion Fastone Image Viewer, Ifranview, Ransack, XnView,
> Willmaker, Pandora, TccLe, Power Toys, Macrium Reflect, VLC 
>     and on rare occasions Whatsapp, Thunderbird, Battery Viewer, Speccy,
> Zoom, Universal USB Installer, ExpressVPN, Minitool Data Recovery,
> Skype, 
>
> These fit in three rows of the taskbar in win10, and I have 2 rows
> showing with a scroll bar thoughtfully provided by MS on the right, but
> they won't come close to fitting in win11.  

  For those "on occasion" and "on rare occasions" you can use a start
menu (I use Open-Shell Menu) or/and the Desktop. Why would you clutter
your Taskbar with stuff you use "on (rare) occasion(s)"?

  So yes, this maybe functionality in Windows 10 which is no longer in
Windows 11. So you can either sue Microsoft or go on with life and do
things in a bit different way, which has always been possible and is
less cluttered.

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#182191 — Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword

Frank Slootweg wrote on 2/10/25 12:16 PM:
> micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>> In addition, I gradually moved everything from the ql bar to the task
>> bar, but there isn't room for all of the programs I use regularly**.
>>
>> **On win10:  Volume Mixer, Solitaire, File explorer, Free Alarm Clock,
>> Notepad++, Notepads, Kindle, Forte Agent, Tunein, Task Manager,
>> RadioMaximus, Everything, Wordpad (also gone in win11), CMD, Settings,
>> Chrome, MyPhoneExplorer, Firefox, AutoHotKey, Libreoffice Writer, Anvir
>> Task Manager
> 
>    If I count correctly, that's 22 icons. As I mentioned earlier, I have
> plenty of space in both unused areas of my Taskbar. I have currently 16
> icons and can easily accomodate 6 more and that's *not* counting the
> rather large space used by my System tray icons.

I've 21 on the Win11 Pro Taskbar, with room for more(though don't need more).
  No waiting for icon  to display. I know what each icon represents, thus 
use is either mouse to or touch/tap the icon to open the program, app, or 
Windows/3rd party utility.

For anything else, in a user named group(Programs, Apps, Utilities, 
Office, System) on the Start Menu. - obviously a few redundant(in a group 
and on Taskbar)...but all usual and everything else needed for my usage 
easily and timely accessible.

Even in Win7 and earlier didn't use or care much for the flyout menu. 
Once the  became available  with Vista...it was my go to taskbar route in 
8/10. With Win8/11 grouping items and the taskbar, the QL became less 
used.  With Win11, I still have the QL shortcuts in the default 
userprofile appdata\roaming folder with that QL folder only pinned to the 
Start Menu.
> 

>    So yes, this maybe functionality in Windows 10 which is no longer in
> Windows 11. So you can either sue Microsoft or go on with life and do
> things in a bit different way, which has always been possible and is
> less cluttered.
>

I could never tolerate desktop clutter - shortcuts or saved files. I have 
5 total items on my desktop(iTunes, my user folder, This pC, Network, and 
Recycle Bin).



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#182200 — Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword

..w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg wrote on 2/10/25 12:16 PM:
> > micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> >> In addition, I gradually moved everything from the ql bar to the task
> >> bar, but there isn't room for all of the programs I use regularly**.
> >>
> >> **On win10:  Volume Mixer, Solitaire, File explorer, Free Alarm Clock,
> >> Notepad++, Notepads, Kindle, Forte Agent, Tunein, Task Manager,
> >> RadioMaximus, Everything, Wordpad (also gone in win11), CMD, Settings,
> >> Chrome, MyPhoneExplorer, Firefox, AutoHotKey, Libreoffice Writer, Anvir
> >> Task Manager
> > 
> >    If I count correctly, that's 22 icons. As I mentioned earlier, I have
> > plenty of space in both unused areas of my Taskbar. I have currently 16
> > icons and can easily accomodate 6 more and that's *not* counting the
> > rather large space used by my System tray icons.
> 
> I've 21 on the Win11 Pro Taskbar, with room for more(though don't need more).
>   No waiting for icon  to display. I know what each icon represents, thus 
> use is either mouse to or touch/tap the icon to open the program, app, or 
> Windows/3rd party utility.

  To be clear, the (no) "waiting for icon  to display" (non-)issue is
only for those icons which 'hide' ('Combine taskbar buttons' setting)
multiple instances/windows of the *same* program. For me that's multiple
'Command Prompt' windows. For micky it's multiple Chrome or Firefox
windows.

  But, as I said, it's a non-issue, because one knows which icon to
hover over and then the 'thumbnails'/little windows of the instances
instantly pop up above the Taskbar.

[...]

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#182192 — Re: WIN1 1One-line taskbar; Starting wndwos without pasword

On Mon, 2/10/2025 11:35 AM, micky wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on 6 Feb 2025 13:19:50 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>> In alt.comp.os.windows-11, on Mon, 3 Feb 2025 10:30:22 +0100, Herbert
>>> Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> starting the program.  The win10 task bar let you see each of multiple
>>>>> instances of the program, as with Chrome or Firefox, so you couuld click
>>>>> on the one you wanted.  
>>>>
>>>> You can change this in the taskbar settings. But if the taskbar is full,
>>>> then this doesn't help.
>>>
>>> Why does MS mess things up that work well?
>>
>>  Why is this even a problem? In Windows 10 (and 11 and perhaps even
>> earlier), you see little thumbnail-like windows of the multiple
>> instances if you hover over the icon on the Taskbar. So instead of tiny
>> instances on the Taskbar, you see much bigger/clearer instances above
>> the Taskbar.
>>
>>  For example, I have often multiple instances of the 'Command Prompt'
>> window open and I just hover 
> 
> You say "just" but imagine if there was room for only one item on the
> task bar and to go to any of your programs, you had to hover over it,
> wait for it to display all of them and then click on the one you want. I
> would find that delay very annoying.  Maybe you would too. 
> 
> In addition, I gradually moved everything from the ql bar to the task
> bar, but there isn't room for all of the programs I use regularly**. 
> 
> **On win10:  Volume Mixer, Solitaire, File explorer, Free Alarm Clock,
> Notepad++, Notepads, Kindle, Forte Agent, Tunein, Task Manager,
> RadioMaximus, Everything, Wordpad (also gone in win11), CMD, Settings,
> Chrome, MyPhoneExplorer, Firefox, AutoHotKey, Libreoffice Writer, Anvir
> Task Manager
>     and on occasion Fastone Image Viewer, Ifranview, Ransack, XnView,
> Willmaker, Pandora, TccLe, Power Toys, Macrium Reflect, VLC 
>     and on rare occasions Whatsapp, Thunderbird, Battery Viewer, Speccy,
> Zoom, Universal USB Installer, ExpressVPN, Minitool Data Recovery,
> Skype, 
> 
> These fit in three rows of the taskbar in win10, and I have 2 rows
> showing with a scroll bar thoughtfully provided by MS on the right, but
> they won't come close to fitting in win11.  
> 
>> over the icon on the Taskbar to see which
>> instances I have and then click on the little window of the desired one.

There is a registry entry that controls "hover time". Enterprising
individuals change this and slow it down on purpose

   "To prevent the hover items from appearing when my mouse passes over then"

Well, you can't have it both ways, "hover resistance" and "fast hovering"
at the same time.

Frank has the nominal value, as do I.

   HKCU\Control Panel\Mouse\
          MouseHoverTime   REG_SZ   400          # Units of milliseconds

People who don't like the Hover, set it to 30000.
Setting it back to 400 would make it more responsive.

   Paul




   Paul

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