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  Claws email Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2025-01-16 10:36 +0000
    Re: Claws email Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-16 13:09 +0000
      Re: Claws email Jim the Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2025-01-16 15:38 +0000
        Re: Claws email Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-16 18:37 +0000
          Re: Claws email Jim S <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2025-01-17 17:22 +0000
        Re: Claws email Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2025-01-17 21:14 +0300
          Re: Claws email Jim The Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> - 2025-01-18 09:56 +0000
            Re: Claws email John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2025-01-18 10:41 +0000
              Re: Claws email Jim S <jim@jimsXscott.co.uk> - 2025-01-18 11:25 +0000
        Re: Claws email Michael Logies <logies@t-online.de> - 2025-01-18 16:22 +0100
          Re: Claws email Jim S <jim@jimsXscott.co.uk> - 2025-01-18 16:10 +0000
            Re: Claws email Michael Logies <logies@t-online.de> - 2025-01-18 19:01 +0100

#181405 — Claws email

I'm trying to set up Claws email client.
It seems that Gmail no longer supports 'less-secure' apps.
Does this make it impossible to use Gmail accounts on Claws, or is there 
another way?
-- 
Jim the Geordie

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#181415

Jim the Geordie <jim@jimxscott.co.uk> wrote:
> I'm trying to set up Claws email client.
> It seems that Gmail no longer supports 'less-secure' apps.

  You can indeed no longer use 'less-secure' apps, but you can use 'App
passwords' instead. That basically means that instead of your Google
account password, you use a special generated password, just for this
purpose.

  I use (Google) 'App passwords' in Thunderbird to access my Gmail
accounts.

  See 'Learn more' on <https://myaccount.google.com/apppasswords>

> Does this make it impossible to use Gmail accounts on Claws, or is there 
> another way?

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#181425

On 16/01/2025 13:09, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Jim the Geordie <jim@jimxscott.co.uk> wrote:
>> I'm trying to set up Claws email client.
>> It seems that Gmail no longer supports 'less-secure' apps.
> 
>    You can indeed no longer use 'less-secure' apps, but you can use 'App
> passwords' instead. That basically means that instead of your Google
> account password, you use a special generated password, just for this
> purpose.
> 
>    I use (Google) 'App passwords' in Thunderbird to access my Gmail
> accounts.
> 
>    See 'Learn more' on <https://myaccount.google.com/apppasswords>
> 
>> Does this make it impossible to use Gmail accounts on Claws, or is there
>> another way?

Still can't do it.
It all seems a bit of a phart.
There's no SSL, which Claws mentions in its documentation for v4.3.

All I'm trying to do is find an email client which will do what 
Thunderbird does without it using a big chunk of memory (and is free and 
will take 4 addresses of various kinds) and makes the tea and lays 
golden eggs :)

-- 
Jim the Geordie

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#181433

Jim the Geordie <jim@jimxscott.co.uk> wrote:
> On 16/01/2025 13:09, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Jim the Geordie <jim@jimxscott.co.uk> wrote:
> >> I'm trying to set up Claws email client.
> >> It seems that Gmail no longer supports 'less-secure' apps.
> > 
> >    You can indeed no longer use 'less-secure' apps, but you can use 'App
> > passwords' instead. That basically means that instead of your Google
> > account password, you use a special generated password, just for this
> > purpose.
> > 
> >    I use (Google) 'App passwords' in Thunderbird to access my Gmail
> > accounts.
> > 
> >    See 'Learn more' on <https://myaccount.google.com/apppasswords>
> > 
> >> Does this make it impossible to use Gmail accounts on Claws, or is there
> >> another way?
> 
> Still can't do it.
> It all seems a bit of a phart.
> There's no SSL, which Claws mentions in its documentation for v4.3.

  You mean Claws does not support SSL?

> All I'm trying to do is find an email client which will do what 
> Thunderbird does without it using a big chunk of memory (and is free and 
> will take 4 addresses of various kinds) and makes the tea and lays 
> golden eggs :)

  An older version of Thunderbird? My 60.9.0 version uses about 130 MB
memory, which isn't small, but is about the same size as (Windows) File
Explorer.

  BTW, as you're using Betterbird to post to Usenet, can't you just use
that for e-mail as well?

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#181496

On 16/01/2025 18:37, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Jim the Geordie <jim@jimxscott.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 16/01/2025 13:09, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Jim the Geordie <jim@jimxscott.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> I'm trying to set up Claws email client.
>>>> It seems that Gmail no longer supports 'less-secure' apps.
>>>
>>>     You can indeed no longer use 'less-secure' apps, but you can use 'App
>>> passwords' instead. That basically means that instead of your Google
>>> account password, you use a special generated password, just for this
>>> purpose.
>>>
>>>     I use (Google) 'App passwords' in Thunderbird to access my Gmail
>>> accounts.
>>>
>>>     See 'Learn more' on <https://myaccount.google.com/apppasswords>
>>>
>>>> Does this make it impossible to use Gmail accounts on Claws, or is there
>>>> another way?
>>
>> Still can't do it.
>> It all seems a bit of a phart.
>> There's no SSL, which Claws mentions in its documentation for v4.3.
> 
>    You mean Claws does not support SSL?
> 
>> All I'm trying to do is find an email client which will do what
>> Thunderbird does without it using a big chunk of memory (and is free and
>> will take 4 addresses of various kinds) and makes the tea and lays
>> golden eggs :)
> 
>    An older version of Thunderbird? My 60.9.0 version uses about 130 MB
> memory, which isn't small, but is about the same size as (Windows) File
> Explorer.
> 
>    BTW, as you're using Betterbird to post to Usenet, can't you just use
> that for e-mail as well?

Well, I do. I just refer to it as Thunderbird for simplicity.
I'm getting readings of memory in the region of 260-380 MB on either of 
them (Tb or Bb), which seems excessive, and I don't have masses of 
emails in store.

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#181497

Jim the Geordie:

> I'm trying to set up Claws email client.  It seems that
> Gmail no longer supports 'less-secure' apps.

Nope, it still supports them, via so called app passwords.

> Does this make it impossible to use Gmail accounts on
> Claws, or is there another way?

I think not.  I myself access Gmail with Sylpheed, of which
Claws is a branch.

My complete Gmail settings for Sylpheed are:

  Basic:
    Server for receiving: imap.gmail.com
    SMTP server         : smtp.gmail.com
    User ID             : // my e-mail address
    Password            : // my Gmail app password
  Receive:
    IMAP4:
      Authentification method: PLAIN
  Send:
    Authentification:
      SMTP Authentifiation   : // check
      Authentification method:
      User ID                : // empty
      Password               : // empty
  SSL:
    IMAP4: Use SSL for IMAP4 connection
    SMTP : Use SSL for SMTP connection

This works in Sylpheed 3.7.0.  In some of the later versions
they tried to add some support for this new abominable
authentification method involving a browswer, which never
worked for me, so I had to stay with 3.7.0.

> All I'm trying to do is find an email client which will do
> what Thunderbird does without it using a big chunk of
> memory (and is free and will take 4 addresses of various
> kinds) and makes the tea and lays golden eggs :)

Have you considered ditching Gmail altogether?  There are
many other e-mail providers, small and big, free and paid.
And there are great tools for migrating IMAP mailboxes.

Try Pegasus Mail: <https://www.pmail.com/index.htm>

-- 
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/\  www.asciiribbon.org   -- against proprietary attachments

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#181521

On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 21:14:31 +0300, Anton Shepelev wrote:

> Jim the Geordie:
> 
>> I'm trying to set up Claws email client.  It seems that
>> Gmail no longer supports 'less-secure' apps.
> 
> Nope, it still supports them, via so called app passwords.
> 
>> Does this make it impossible to use Gmail accounts on
>> Claws, or is there another way?
> 
> I think not.  I myself access Gmail with Sylpheed, of which
> Claws is a branch.
> 
> My complete Gmail settings for Sylpheed are:
> 
>   Basic:
>     Server for receiving: imap.gmail.com
>     SMTP server         : smtp.gmail.com
>     User ID             : // my e-mail address
>     Password            : // my Gmail app password
>   Receive:
>     IMAP4:
>       Authentification method: PLAIN
>   Send:
>     Authentification:
>       SMTP Authentifiation   : // check
>       Authentification method:
>       User ID                : // empty
>       Password               : // empty
>   SSL:
>     IMAP4: Use SSL for IMAP4 connection
>     SMTP : Use SSL for SMTP connection
> 
> This works in Sylpheed 3.7.0.  In some of the later versions
> they tried to add some support for this new abominable
> authentification method involving a browswer, which never
> worked for me, so I had to stay with 3.7.0.
> 
>> All I'm trying to do is find an email client which will do
>> what Thunderbird does without it using a big chunk of
>> memory (and is free and will take 4 addresses of various
>> kinds) and makes the tea and lays golden eggs :)
> 
> Have you considered ditching Gmail altogether?  There are
> many other e-mail providers, small and big, free and paid.
> And there are great tools for migrating IMAP mailboxes.
> 
> Try Pegasus Mail: <https://www.pmail.com/index.htm>

There is no SSL in Claws
-- 
Jim the Geordie

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#181523

<snip>
In message <16btug4mmc7f6.1vec5pmii0sxc$.dlg@40tude.net>, Jim The 
Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> writes
>There is no SSL in Claws

It's probably possible to get around that by using Stunnel as an 
intermediary between Claws and the mail server:

https://www.stunnel.org/index.html
-- 
John Hall
                "I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly,
                 will hardly mind anything else."
                                            Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84)

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#181524

On 18/01/2025 10:41, John Hall wrote:
> <snip>
> In message <16btug4mmc7f6.1vec5pmii0sxc$.dlg@40tude.net>, Jim The 
> Geordie <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> writes
>> There is no SSL in Claws
> 
> It's probably possible to get around that by using Stunnel as an 
> intermediary between Claws and the mail server:
> 
> https://www.stunnel.org/index.html

You might well be right, but I'm not sure I need Claws that much.

-- 
Jim the Geordie

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#181529

SSL works with Claws:

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/ich-suche-eine-englischsprachi-y1ZgXp2yR8CuqwT2ds.Chw

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#181530

On 18/01/2025 15:22, Michael Logies wrote:
> SSL works with Claws:
> 
> https://www.perplexity.ai/search/ich-suche-eine-englischsprachi-y1ZgXp2yR8CuqwT2ds.Chw
> 
Apart from the fact that there is no mention of SSL anywhere in Ver 4.3, 
I have managed to set up two addresses to run on TLS.
The problem still comes when trying to set up two Gmail addresses, 
following what I did with the others and following instructions 
suggested here using Gmails 'special' passwords and using my usual 
passwords.

-- 
Jim the Geordie

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#181531

On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 16:10:23 +0000, Jim S <jim@jimsXscott.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 18/01/2025 15:22, Michael Logies wrote:
>> SSL works with Claws:
>> 
>> https://www.perplexity.ai/search/ich-suche-eine-englischsprachi-y1ZgXp2yR8CuqwT2ds.Chw
>> 
>Apart from the fact that there is no mention of SSL anywhere in Ver 4.3, 

Look for TLS.

>I have managed to set up two addresses to run on TLS.
>The problem still comes when trying to set up two Gmail addresses, 

My Gmail-Address is working with Claws. It is called app password:
https://support.google.com/mail/answer/185833?hl=en
Sign in with app passwords

Regards

M.

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