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  Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-05 05:14 -0800
    Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-05 10:43 -0500
      Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-05 12:44 -0500
        Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-05 18:39 +0000
      Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-01-05 10:48 -0800
      Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Simon GAHHH Creator <noreply@GAHHH.com> - 2025-01-06 02:00 +0000
    Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-05 12:50 -0500
      Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-05 13:05 -0500
        Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-05 13:38 -0500
          Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-05 13:20 -0600
            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-05 14:53 -0500
            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-05 15:19 -0500
    Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Simon GAHHH Creator <noreply@GAHHH.com> - 2025-01-06 02:02 +0000
      Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-06 15:23 -0800
    Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 16:41 +0800
    Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 12:43 -0800
    Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-01-09 22:01 +0000
      Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 14:21 -0800
        Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-09 22:28 -0500
          Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 19:42 -0800
            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-09 23:05 -0500
              Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 14:34 -0800
            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-10 00:05 -0500
              Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-10 01:38 -0800
              Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-10 08:54 -0500
          Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 19:53 -0800
            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-10 09:01 -0500
              Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> - 2025-01-11 09:29 +0000
                Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 02:59 -0800
          Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2025-01-10 08:30 -0900
            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-10 14:00 -0500
              Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-10 11:19 -0800
                Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-10 19:43 -0500
                  Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-10 18:36 -0800
                    Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-10 21:59 -0500
                    Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-10 23:18 -0500
                      Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-10 23:39 -0500
                        Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 03:00 -0800
                          Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-11 08:46 -0500
                            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 12:49 -0800
                        Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-11 08:43 -0500
                          Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2025-01-11 10:04 -0900
                            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 12:51 -0800
                              Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-11 23:13 -0500
                                Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 22:46 -0800
                                Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2025-01-12 10:28 -0900
                          Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 13:43 -0800
                            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2025-01-12 10:53 -0700
                              Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-12 15:20 -0500
                                Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2025-01-13 09:41 -0700
                              Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 12:38 -0800
                                Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2025-01-13 09:48 -0700
                        Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-11 13:49 +0000
                          Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-11 11:15 -0500
            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> - 2025-01-11 09:30 +0000
          Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-19 22:50 +1100
            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-19 11:51 -0400
            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-03-19 09:26 -0700
              Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-20 20:31 +1100
                Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 11:38 -0700
                  Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-21 22:46 +1100
                    Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-21 23:23 +1100
      Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-11 06:40 -0800

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#181262

On 1/10/2025 11:39 PM, Paul wrote:
> On Fri, 1/10/2025 11:18 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
>> On 1/10/2025 9:36 PM, T wrote:
>>
>>> Fast Startup makes your system unstable after a few days.
>>> This "might" be your problem with Open Shell and other things:
>>>
>>
>>    I haven't had any trouble with an unstable system. I just
>> seem to remember Open Shell being a bit glitchy. Classic Shell
>> has been fine. I also installed OS on Win11 today and it seems
>> to be OK. Though the start button doesn't look quite right.
>> It's on top of the Windows button, which is still there. Not
>> a big deal, but not as smooth as CS.
>>
>>    The only other problems I've had with Win10 are 1) the
>> astonishing discombobulated bloat that takes a lot of work
>> to clean up and 2) that updates don't seem to work very well
>> after tweaking. I've run updates now on 3 Win10 and 2 Win11.
>> They've all been smooth and quick when done before tweaking,
>> but unsuccessful after tweaking. I don't regard that as
>> instability. I regard it as indicative of Microsoft's increasing
>> resolve to force their customers into an ad-infested, spyware,
>> services system. I've repeatedly found Win10 to be brittle, and
>> I attribute that to Microsoft trying to block control. But I
>> haven't experienced instability. By brittle I mean that it breaks
>> easilly when I start fiddling around.
>>
>>      I did pretty much lose the whole
>> thing when I tried to run a security update awhile back. Updates
>> that fail to even install shouldn't leave the system in pieces. But
>> I had a disk image backup and it all worked out OK. I won't be
>> trying that again.
> 
> I had something weird today. I went out for groceries, and when I
> came back, the machine was off. It wasn't a power fail, because
> the clocks weren't flashing. I checked the Reliability monitor
> and found this (Settings : type "relia" into the search).
> 
> Installation Failure: Windows failed to install the following
>                        update with error 0x80073D02:
> 
>                        9MSSGKG348SP-MicrosoftWindows.Client.WebExperience
> 
> The identifier at the beginning of that, is not one I've seen before.
> 
> So when installing that, the machine did something rash, and I can't
> imagine what. I was running my RAMDrive at the time and it was
> loaded with stuff... all lost.
> 
> It would appear then, that the "Widgets" which are turned off,
> have dropped my machine. Nice work, you bastards.
> 
> https://www.elevenforum.com/t/windows-web-experience-pack.2103/
> 
> ["Microsoft Store Error Code 0x80073D02"]
> 
> I would have disconnected the network cable before I left,
> but in fact my network cable is now worn out and needs to be
> replaced.
> 
> Is this a great time to be alive, or what ?
> 
   Is that a trick question? You seem to relish the challenge
of these mixups... Which I partially empathize with. I ended up
wwith a strobing Win11 yesterday as a result of trying to install
some things to give me a Quick Launch bar. Luckily a reboot
fixed it. I had been doing cleanup for 2 hours without making a
disk image and didn't want to have to repeat all that.

    I just deleted the WebExperience WindowsApps folders. That's
become part of my 10/11 routine: Uninistall all apps via PowerShell,
remove restrictions on all of WindowsApps, then delete anything
that's not runtimes or hardware utilities. Realtek, OK. Bing maps?
You're outta here!

   I also figured out the WebView2 question, I think. The tool I
use offers 3 EXEs, though I haven't found an explanation of
which is which. One is Remove-Edge. Another is Remove-EdgeWeb.
The 3rd is Remove-NoTerm. I've been using Remove-EdgeWeb. It
shows a console window. Removing Edge.... Removing Webview...

   The Readme file says WebView is needed for:
- Lenovo USB Recovery Creator Tool
- Quicken
- Windows Mail
- Xbox App

    I've never used any of those, but it's good to know.

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#181276

Newyana2 wrote:
>
>   I also figured out the WebView2 question, I think. The tool I
> use offers 3 EXEs, though I haven't found an explanation of
> which is which. One is Remove-Edge. Another is Remove-EdgeWeb.
> The 3rd is Remove-NoTerm. I've been using Remove-EdgeWeb. It
> shows a console window. Removing Edge.... Removing Webview...
>
>   The Readme file says WebView is needed for:
> - Lenovo USB Recovery Creator Tool
> - Quicken
> - Windows Mail
> - Xbox App
>
>    I've never used any of those, but it's good to know.

I was trying to stop Host Process For Windows Services from downloading 100s 
of megabytes of unknown data to my computer.  Somewhere I came across a 
message regarding EdgeBlock which blocks WebView and that seems to have 
stopped the Host Process.  Fortunately the only program listed is Quicken 
and I use a 2014 version of Quicken that does not need the internet.  So 
thanks for the info.
-- 
<Bill>

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska 

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#181279

On 1/11/25 11:04 AM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
> Newyana2 wrote:
>>
>>    I also figured out the WebView2 question, I think. The tool I
>> use offers 3 EXEs, though I haven't found an explanation of
>> which is which. One is Remove-Edge. Another is Remove-EdgeWeb.
>> The 3rd is Remove-NoTerm. I've been using Remove-EdgeWeb. It
>> shows a console window. Removing Edge.... Removing Webview...
>>
>>    The Readme file says WebView is needed for:
>> - Lenovo USB Recovery Creator Tool
>> - Quicken
>> - Windows Mail
>> - Xbox App
>>
>>     I've never used any of those, but it's good to know.
> 
> I was trying to stop Host Process For Windows Services from downloading 100s
> of megabytes of unknown data to my computer.  Somewhere I came across a
> message regarding EdgeBlock which blocks WebView and that seems to have
> stopped the Host Process.  Fortunately the only program listed is Quicken
> and I use a 2014 version of Quicken that does not need the internet.  So
> thanks for the info.


Try this:

https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10

I turn everything off.  Nails updates as well.

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#181281

On 1/11/2025 3:51 PM, T wrote:
> On 1/11/25 11:04 AM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
>> Newyana2 wrote:
>>>
>>>    I also figured out the WebView2 question, I think. The tool I
>>> use offers 3 EXEs, though I haven't found an explanation of
>>> which is which. One is Remove-Edge. Another is Remove-EdgeWeb.
>>> The 3rd is Remove-NoTerm. I've been using Remove-EdgeWeb. It
>>> shows a console window. Removing Edge.... Removing Webview...
>>>
>>>    The Readme file says WebView is needed for:
>>> - Lenovo USB Recovery Creator Tool
>>> - Quicken
>>> - Windows Mail
>>> - Xbox App
>>>
>>>     I've never used any of those, but it's good to know.
>>
>> I was trying to stop Host Process For Windows Services from 
>> downloading 100s
>> of megabytes of unknown data to my computer.  Somewhere I came across a
>> message regarding EdgeBlock which blocks WebView and that seems to have
>> stopped the Host Process.  Fortunately the only program listed is Quicken
>> and I use a 2014 version of Quicken that does not need the internet.  So
>> thanks for the info.
> 
> 
> Try this:
> 
> https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
> 
> I turn everything off.  Nails updates as well.

   I think you might be mixing topics here, because i added
an addendum to a post in a thread that was mostly about
tweakers. I was addressing the issue Paul brought up
recently, about whether removing Edge removes WebView2,
the Edge browser component. The list of programs above
is a list of things that use WebView2.

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#181282

On 1/11/25 8:13 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 1/11/2025 3:51 PM, T wrote:
>> On 1/11/25 11:04 AM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
>>> Newyana2 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>    I also figured out the WebView2 question, I think. The tool I
>>>> use offers 3 EXEs, though I haven't found an explanation of
>>>> which is which. One is Remove-Edge. Another is Remove-EdgeWeb.
>>>> The 3rd is Remove-NoTerm. I've been using Remove-EdgeWeb. It
>>>> shows a console window. Removing Edge.... Removing Webview...
>>>>
>>>>    The Readme file says WebView is needed for:
>>>> - Lenovo USB Recovery Creator Tool
>>>> - Quicken
>>>> - Windows Mail
>>>> - Xbox App
>>>>
>>>>     I've never used any of those, but it's good to know.
>>>
>>> I was trying to stop Host Process For Windows Services from 
>>> downloading 100s
>>> of megabytes of unknown data to my computer.  Somewhere I came across a
>>> message regarding EdgeBlock which blocks WebView and that seems to have
>>> stopped the Host Process.  Fortunately the only program listed is 
>>> Quicken
>>> and I use a 2014 version of Quicken that does not need the internet.  So
>>> thanks for the info.
>>
>>
>> Try this:
>>
>> https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
>>
>> I turn everything off.  Nails updates as well.
> 
>    I think you might be mixing topics here, because i added
> an addendum to a post in a thread that was mostly about
> tweakers. I was addressing the issue Paul brought up
> recently, about whether removing Edge removes WebView2,
> the Edge browser component. The list of programs above
> is a list of things that use WebView2.

Ya.  Someone was complaining about all the M$ spying
(telemetry).  Now I get to try and figure out who it
was.

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#181288

Newyana2 wrote:
> On 1/11/2025 3:51 PM, T wrote:
>> On 1/11/25 11:04 AM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
>>> Newyana2 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I also figured out the WebView2 question, I think. The tool I
>>>> use offers 3 EXEs, though I haven't found an explanation of
>>>> which is which. One is Remove-Edge. Another is Remove-EdgeWeb.
>>>> The 3rd is Remove-NoTerm. I've been using Remove-EdgeWeb. It
>>>> shows a console window. Removing Edge.... Removing Webview...
>>>>
>>>> The Readme file says WebView is needed for:
>>>> - Lenovo USB Recovery Creator Tool
>>>> - Quicken
>>>> - Windows Mail
>>>> - Xbox App
>>>>
>>>> I've never used any of those, but it's good to know.
>>>
>>> I was trying to stop Host Process For Windows Services from
>>> downloading 100s
>>> of megabytes of unknown data to my computer. Somewhere I came
>>> across a message regarding EdgeBlock which blocks WebView and that
>>> seems to have stopped the Host Process. Fortunately the only
>>> program listed is Quicken and I use a 2014 version of Quicken that
>>> does not need the internet. So thanks for the info.
>>
>>
>> Try this:
>>
>> https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
>>
>> I turn everything off. Nails updates as well.
>
>   I think you might be mixing topics here, because i added
> an addendum to a post in a thread that was mostly about
> tweakers. I was addressing the issue Paul brought up
> recently, about whether removing Edge removes WebView2,
> the Edge browser component. The list of programs above
> is a list of things that use WebView2.

EdgeBlock disables WebView2.  I pretty much had traced the uploads to Edge 
so disabling this seems to have stopped it.  Sometimes I was getting a 
gigabyte uploaded to  me.
-- 
<Bill>

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska 

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#181280

On 1/11/25 5:43 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
> 
>    The Readme file says WebView is needed for:
> - Lenovo USB Recovery Creator Tool
> - Quicken
> - Windows Mail
> - Xbox App
> 
>     I've never used any of those, but it's good to know.

Of all the Tiny-11 installs I have done, I have not
had any complaining about such.

Years ago I saw a bunch of Quickens installed
but have not seen that kluge in years.

And M$'s crapware can always be added back if needed.

I personally use GnuCash, but you have to know a
bit of accounting to use it.  The learning curve
is steep.  But past that, it is awesome. The
guys on their mail list give you the shirt off
their backs,

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#181286

On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 13:43:55 -0800, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 1/11/25 5:43 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
>> 
>>    The Readme file says WebView is needed for:
>> - Lenovo USB Recovery Creator Tool
>> - Quicken
>> - Windows Mail
>> - Xbox App
>> 
>>     I've never used any of those, but it's good to know.
>
>Of all the Tiny-11 installs I have done, I have not
>had any complaining about such.
>
>Years ago I saw a bunch of Quickens installed
>but have not seen that kluge in years.
>
>And M$'s crapware can always be added back if needed.
>
>I personally use GnuCash, but you have to know a
>bit of accounting to use it.  The learning curve
>is steep.  But past that, it is awesome. 


I use Quicken and I'm very happy with it. I've never tried GnuCash and
I know nothing about it. Do you think GnuCash is better than Quicken?
Why? What's better about it? Should I try it? I do know a bit of
accounting.

Can I import my Quicken Data into it?

Anyone else here use GnuCash? What do you think about it as opposed to
Quicken?


>The
>guys on their mail list give you the shirt off
>their backs,
>
>
>

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#181290

On Sun, 1/12/2025 12:53 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 13:43:55 -0800, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/11/25 5:43 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
>>>
>>>    The Readme file says WebView is needed for:
>>> - Lenovo USB Recovery Creator Tool
>>> - Quicken
>>> - Windows Mail
>>> - Xbox App
>>>
>>>     I've never used any of those, but it's good to know.
>>
>> Of all the Tiny-11 installs I have done, I have not
>> had any complaining about such.
>>
>> Years ago I saw a bunch of Quickens installed
>> but have not seen that kluge in years.
>>
>> And M$'s crapware can always be added back if needed.
>>
>> I personally use GnuCash, but you have to know a
>> bit of accounting to use it.  The learning curve
>> is steep.  But past that, it is awesome. 
> 
> 
> I use Quicken and I'm very happy with it. I've never tried GnuCash and
> I know nothing about it. Do you think GnuCash is better than Quicken?
> Why? What's better about it? Should I try it? I do know a bit of
> accounting.
> 
> Can I import my Quicken Data into it?
> 
> Anyone else here use GnuCash? What do you think about it as opposed to
> Quicken?
> 
> 
>> The guys on their mail list give you the shirt off their backs,

You're used to the Quicken.

The GnuCash would be "culture shock" as much as anything.

This is one thing you'd read or look for first, as manual re-entry
of data would not be a pleasant way to spend a Sunday.

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Quicken_Migration

   "Next export your Quicken data to a QIF format. Save this file."

At least then, when you open the screen, you'll have some
context to judge what a mess it would be.

It's like using LibreOffice. If you import a document
and the document looks good, you're interested. If
the imported document looks damaged, then you are not interested.

And nobody wants imprecise ways of re-inputting data.

If the Quicken cannot successfully make QIF, that too is an answer.

   Paul

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#181305

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 15:20:59 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
wrote:

>On Sun, 1/12/2025 12:53 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 13:43:55 -0800, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 1/11/25 5:43 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>    The Readme file says WebView is needed for:
>>>> - Lenovo USB Recovery Creator Tool
>>>> - Quicken
>>>> - Windows Mail
>>>> - Xbox App
>>>>
>>>>     I've never used any of those, but it's good to know.
>>>
>>> Of all the Tiny-11 installs I have done, I have not
>>> had any complaining about such.
>>>
>>> Years ago I saw a bunch of Quickens installed
>>> but have not seen that kluge in years.
>>>
>>> And M$'s crapware can always be added back if needed.
>>>
>>> I personally use GnuCash, but you have to know a
>>> bit of accounting to use it.  The learning curve
>>> is steep.  But past that, it is awesome. 
>> 
>> 
>> I use Quicken and I'm very happy with it. I've never tried GnuCash and
>> I know nothing about it. Do you think GnuCash is better than Quicken?
>> Why? What's better about it? Should I try it? I do know a bit of
>> accounting.
>> 
>> Can I import my Quicken Data into it?
>> 
>> Anyone else here use GnuCash? What do you think about it as opposed to
>> Quicken?
>> 
>> 
>>> The guys on their mail list give you the shirt off their backs,
>
>You're used to the Quicken.
>
>The GnuCash would be "culture shock" as much as anything.


Thanks. That's what I expected. I'll stick with Quicken.


>This is one thing you'd read or look for first, as manual re-entry
>of data would not be a pleasant way to spend a Sunday.
>
>https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Quicken_Migration
>
>   "Next export your Quicken data to a QIF format. Save this file."
>
>At least then, when you open the screen, you'll have some
>context to judge what a mess it would be.
>
>It's like using LibreOffice. If you import a document
>and the document looks good, you're interested. If
>the imported document looks damaged, then you are not interested.
>
>And nobody wants imprecise ways of re-inputting data.
>
>If the Quicken cannot successfully make QIF, that too is an answer.
>
>   Paul

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#181291

On 1/12/25 9:53 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> I personally use GnuCash, but you have to know a
>> bit of accounting to use it.  The learning curve
>> is steep.  But past that, it is awesome.
> 
> I use Quicken and I'm very happy with it. I've never tried GnuCash and
> I know nothing about it. Do you think GnuCash is better than Quicken?
> Why? What's better about it? Should I try it? I do know a bit of
> accounting.
> 
> Can I import my Quicken Data into it?
> 
> Anyone else here use GnuCash? What do you think about it as opposed to
> Quicken?


GnuCash is way more difficult to learn.  Once you get
there it is powerful.  Be prepared to tear some hair out.

Quicken is "single entry" and GnuCash is "double
entry" accounting.  Big, big difference.

It can be argued that double entry accounting was the
single greatest mathematical advancement in human
history as it ushered in the Renaissance and global trade.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-entry_bookkeeping
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-entry_bookkeeping

Here is an AI (which are usually not to be trusted)
comparison:
https://search.brave.com/search?q=gnuCash+versus+quicken&summary=1&conversation=3488cd609ba27d8aaa568c

Here is users comparing the two:
https://www.reddit.com/r/GnuCash/comments/e8uldw/honest_opinion_of_gnucash_vs_quicken/

GnuCash's users mailing list is beyond helpful.
What a bunch of great guys.  They helped set me up.

The GnuCash developers fix their bugs.  I have reported
several to them.  They usually jump on them in a week.

I have seen quicken users migrate to on line banking,
so I have not seen it on customer's machines for several
years now.   (On line banking is dangerous to do from
Windows platforms.  Last lady I help with a hack got
embezzled for 40K U$D.  Bank did make her whole,
eventually.)

Quicken is easier but way less powerful.  You get
marketed out the wazoo and are required to get
yearly updates to do online banking.

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#181306

On Sun, 12 Jan 2025 12:38:23 -0800, T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 1/12/25 9:53 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> I personally use GnuCash, but you have to know a
>>> bit of accounting to use it.  The learning curve
>>> is steep.  But past that, it is awesome.
>> 
>> I use Quicken and I'm very happy with it. I've never tried GnuCash and
>> I know nothing about it. Do you think GnuCash is better than Quicken?
>> Why? What's better about it? Should I try it? I do know a bit of
>> accounting.
>> 
>> Can I import my Quicken Data into it?
>> 
>> Anyone else here use GnuCash? What do you think about it as opposed to
>> Quicken?
>
>
>GnuCash is way more difficult to learn.  Once you get
>there it is powerful.  Be prepared to tear some hair out.


Thanks. As I just said in my reply to Pail, I'll stick with Quicken.


>Quicken is "single entry" and GnuCash is "double
>entry" accounting.  Big, big difference.


>It can be argued that double entry accounting was the
>single greatest mathematical advancement in human
>history as it ushered in the Renaissance and global trade.


Maybe, in the days before computers, but these days I think making two
entries should go away. I greatly prefer the way Quicken does it. A
single entry creates a debit in one account and a credit in another.
The effect is the same as double entry but it's easier and less
error-prone.


>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-entry_bookkeeping
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-entry_bookkeeping
>
>Here is an AI (which are usually not to be trusted)
>comparison:
>https://search.brave.com/search?q=gnuCash+versus+quicken&summary=1&conversation=3488cd609ba27d8aaa568c
>
>Here is users comparing the two:
>https://www.reddit.com/r/GnuCash/comments/e8uldw/honest_opinion_of_gnucash_vs_quicken/
>
>GnuCash's users mailing list is beyond helpful.
>What a bunch of great guys.  They helped set me up.
>
>The GnuCash developers fix their bugs.  I have reported
>several to them.  They usually jump on them in a week.
>
>I have seen quicken users migrate to on line banking,

Not me, for several reasons, one of which is that banking is only one
thing Quicken does.


>so I have not seen it on customer's machines for several
>years now.   (On line banking is dangerous to do from
>Windows platforms.  Last lady I help with a hack got
>embezzled for 40K U$D.  Bank did make her whole,
>eventually.)
>
>Quicken is easier but way less powerful.  You get
>marketed out the wazoo and are required to get
>yearly updates to do online banking.
>
>
>

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#181264

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
[...]
> I had something weird today. I went out for groceries, and when I
> came back, the machine was off. It wasn't a power fail, because
> the clocks weren't flashing. I checked the Reliability monitor
> and found this (Settings : type "relia" into the search).
> 
> Installation Failure: Windows failed to install the following
>                       update with error 0x80073D02:
> 
>                       9MSSGKG348SP-MicrosoftWindows.Client.WebExperience
> 
> The identifier at the beginning of that, is not one I've seen before.
> 
> So when installing that, the machine did something rash, and I can't
> imagine what. I was running my RAMDrive at the time and it was
> loaded with stuff... all lost.
> 
> It would appear then, that the "Widgets" which are turned off,
> have dropped my machine. Nice work, you bastards.
> 
> https://www.elevenforum.com/t/windows-web-experience-pack.2103/
> 
> ["Microsoft Store Error Code 0x80073D02"]
> 
> I would have disconnected the network cable before I left,
> but in fact my network cable is now worn out and needs to be
> replaced.
> 
> Is this a great time to be alive, or what ?

  You posted this to the Windows 10 group, but point to a Windows 11
forum. So was/is your issue on Windows 10 or 11?

  That said, on my Windows 11 24H2 system, I am getting the
"Installation Failure: Windows failed to install the following update
with error 0x80073D02:" errors for multiple "9..." items (apps?) for
several days now, since January 5, every day.

  Failed updates:

9N1SQW2NKPDS-5A894077.McAfeeSecurity
9WZDNCRFHVN5-MICROSOFT.WINDOWSCALCULATOR
9WZDNCRFJ3P2-MICROSOFT.ZUNEVIDEO
9NTXGKQ8P7N0-MicrosoftWindows.CrossDevice
9NMPJ99VJBWV-Microsoft.YourPhone
9MSSGKG348SP-MicrosoftWindows.Client.WebExperience

  These reoccur - sometimes twice a day - but not all of them each day.

  Of these, I only use the Calculator and probably McAfeeSecurity as a
browser extension. (This laptop came with McAfee, but the bulk of it was
uninstalled at expiry, but I left the browser extension.

  Any insights as to what (not) to do?

  N.B. Please feel free to crosspost or move this to
alt.comp.os.windows-11.

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#181270

On Sat, 1/11/2025 8:49 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> [...]
>> I had something weird today. I went out for groceries, and when I
>> came back, the machine was off. It wasn't a power fail, because
>> the clocks weren't flashing. I checked the Reliability monitor
>> and found this (Settings : type "relia" into the search).
>>
>> Installation Failure: Windows failed to install the following
>>                       update with error 0x80073D02:
>>
>>                       9MSSGKG348SP-MicrosoftWindows.Client.WebExperience
>>
>> The identifier at the beginning of that, is not one I've seen before.
>>
>> So when installing that, the machine did something rash, and I can't
>> imagine what. I was running my RAMDrive at the time and it was
>> loaded with stuff... all lost.
>>
>> It would appear then, that the "Widgets" which are turned off,
>> have dropped my machine. Nice work, you bastards.
>>
>> https://www.elevenforum.com/t/windows-web-experience-pack.2103/
>>
>> ["Microsoft Store Error Code 0x80073D02"]
>>
>> I would have disconnected the network cable before I left,
>> but in fact my network cable is now worn out and needs to be
>> replaced.
>>
>> Is this a great time to be alive, or what ?
> 
>   You posted this to the Windows 10 group, but point to a Windows 11
> forum. So was/is your issue on Windows 10 or 11?
> 
>   That said, on my Windows 11 24H2 system, I am getting the
> "Installation Failure: Windows failed to install the following update
> with error 0x80073D02:" errors for multiple "9..." items (apps?) for
> several days now, since January 5, every day.
> 
>   Failed updates:
> 
> 9N1SQW2NKPDS-5A894077.McAfeeSecurity
> 9WZDNCRFHVN5-MICROSOFT.WINDOWSCALCULATOR
> 9WZDNCRFJ3P2-MICROSOFT.ZUNEVIDEO
> 9NTXGKQ8P7N0-MicrosoftWindows.CrossDevice
> 9NMPJ99VJBWV-Microsoft.YourPhone
> 9MSSGKG348SP-MicrosoftWindows.Client.WebExperience
> 
>   These reoccur - sometimes twice a day - but not all of them each day.
> 
>   Of these, I only use the Calculator and probably McAfeeSecurity as a
> browser extension. (This laptop came with McAfee, but the bulk of it was
> uninstalled at expiry, but I left the browser extension.
> 
>   Any insights as to what (not) to do?
> 
>   N.B. Please feel free to crosspost or move this to
> alt.comp.os.windows-11.
> 

My report was for Windows 11, but since it involved App Updates
which are done async to Windows Update, these could happen
to anyone, at any time. They could even happen to Frank on
Windows 10, as your listing above attests.

I just thought it was great, that an unexpected, out-of-band
activity, managed to take out my machine. Has any malware
damaged my machine ? No. Has microsoft interfered with the
daily usages of the machine ? YES. Yes, in spades.

Should I be nervous, when a high rate download activity
starts on the machine, and I did not command it, and it isn't
Patch Tuesday ?

YES

"Reliability is my middle name"

   Paul

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#181259

On 10/01/2025 17:30, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
> Newyana2 wrote:
>> On 1/9/2025 5:21 PM, T wrote:
>>> On 1/9/25 14:01, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>
>>>> How has the fact that Windows is getting bigger and bigger with more
>>>> and more code that nobody has touched in years been discarded as a
>>>> possible cause?
>>>>
>>>
>>> 1+. You have a point. Tiny-11
>>>
>>    What I'm doing is to install and then get all the latest updates.
>> Then install Classic Shell and Winaero Tweaker to clean up the
>> mess. (Can Tiny11 offer a usable Start Menu? I'm guessing not.)
> 
> Open Shell is now getting a little work done on it.  I think Classic Shell
> is basically abandoned.
> 

But they still work & work well.


-- 
Regards
wasbit

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#182928

On 10/01/2025 2:28 pm, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 1/9/2025 5:21 PM, T wrote:
>> On 1/9/25 14:01, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>
>>> How has the fact that Windows is getting bigger and bigger with more 
>>> and more code that nobody has touched in years been discarded as a 
>>> possible cause?
>>>
>>
>> 1+.  You have a point.  Tiny-11
>>
>     I'm currently running Win10 and have just set up a dual boot
> of 100/11. My setup is similar to what you describe with Tiny11.
> A separate, custom installer is not needed.
> 
>    What I'm doing is to install and then get all the latest updates.
> Then install Classic Shell and Winaero Tweaker to clean up the
> mess. (Can Tiny11 offer a usable Start Menu? I'm guessing not.)
> 
>     Run PowerShell command to uninstall the apps. Take
> ownership of the WindowsApps folder and delete what's left.
> Remove Edge and delete those files. Install Simplewall and block
> Microsoft there. Run Windows Update Blocker to lock out
> updates... Etc.

I'm running Win-11 and I deleted/disabled all sorts of stuff (Copilot 
for one) and now Win-11, when I close down of a night, offers me the 
oportunity to 'finish' the installation of the latest updates .... 
several of which I think is MS trying to re-install the stuff that I 
deleted (like Copilot!!).

Does Windows Update Blocker give you the chance to Pick-n-Choose which 
Updates to install??

If so, where do I get it from?? ;-P
-- 
Daniel70

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#182930

On 3/19/2025 7:50 AM, Daniel70 wrote:

> Does Windows Update Blocker give you the chance to Pick-n-Choose which 
> Updates to install??
> 
> If so, where do I get it from?? ;-P

https://www.sordum.org/9470/windows-update-blocker-v1-8/

   Nothing gives you the option to pick and choose. That's the
new Windows as a Service. It's not your device. It's Microsoft's
device. You only own the hardware, which gives you the right
to move the device anywhere you like. The functionality belongs
to Microsoft.

WUB works very well, but you have to make a decision: Do you
want to control your own computer and give up updates, or
do you want to let MS control things? If you're one of those
people who believes MS updates are critical for security then
you'll have to let them own your device and spy on you.

   In theory you can periodically disable WUB and download a
security update to install by hand. In practice that's not realistic.
Some updates are not available for download. Even when you
can download them, it's been my experience that Win10/11 is
a very brittle system and that Windows Updates are problematic
unless you let MS handle it. They don't want you tweaking. They
don't want you picking and choosing. For example, I still can't
open the Metro/UWP Privacy applet. It warns me of a buffer
override and rambles hysterically about malware. Why is it
broken? I'm not sure. Presumably bit's some privacy tweak that
I applied. Last summer I tried to install a security update. It failed
miserably and finally refused to install. Yet for an update that
never installed, it sure did a lot of damage. I had to reinstall a
disk image backup. So be careful if you decide to take control
and then run updates.

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#182931

Daniel70 wrote on 3/19/2025 4:50 AM:
> 
> I'm running Win-11 and I deleted/disabled all sorts of stuff (Copilot for 
> one) and now Win-11, when I close down of a night, offers me the 
> oportunity to 'finish' the installation of the latest updates .... 
> several of which I think is MS trying to re-install the stuff that I 
> deleted (like Copilot!!).
> 


Fyi...finishing the installation of latest updates is not related to 
reinstalling Copilot app that was uninstalled/disabled from running at 
logon/terminated.

-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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#182936

On 20/03/2025 3:26 am, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  wrote:
> Daniel70 wrote on 3/19/2025 4:50 AM:
>>
>> I'm running Win-11 and I deleted/disabled all sorts of stuff (Copilot 
>> for one) and now Win-11, when I close down of a night, offers me the 
>> oportunity to 'finish' the installation of the latest updates .... 
>> several of which I think is MS trying to re-install the stuff that I 
>> deleted (like Copilot!!).
> 
> Fyi...finishing the installation of latest updates is not related to 
> reinstalling Copilot app that was uninstalled/disabled from running at 
> logon/terminated.
> 
Sure, but I'm thinking that Win-11 will know that I have uninstalled 
Copilot so it will want me to re-install Copilot .... and other stuff as 
well.
-- 
Daniel70

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#182951

Daniel70 wrote on 3/20/2025 2:31 AM:
> On 20/03/2025 3:26 am, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  wrote:
>> Daniel70 wrote on 3/19/2025 4:50 AM:
>>>
>>> I'm running Win-11 and I deleted/disabled all sorts of stuff (Copilot 
>>> for one) and now Win-11, when I close down of a night, offers me the 
>>> oportunity to 'finish' the installation of the latest updates .... 
>>> several of which I think is MS trying to re-install the stuff that I 
>>> deleted (like Copilot!!).
>>
>> Fyi...finishing the installation of latest updates is not related to 
>> reinstalling Copilot app that was uninstalled/disabled from running at 
>> logon/terminated.
>>
> Sure, but I'm thinking that Win-11 will know that I have uninstalled 
> Copilot so it will want me to re-install Copilot .... and other stuff as 
> well.

Any package(app) can be redeployed via MSFT Store updating or Windows 
Update(adding new or replacing old features integrated into 
Windows)...but in your case, 'finish installing updates' was not related 
to reinstalling CoPilot especially if following the proper procedure for 
uninstalling/disabling from startup, etc.
  - atm, if Copilot has been uninstalled, Windows Update updates(which 
may contain new features, patches-app and security, bug fixes, and 
improvements for Copilot) does not reinstall CoPilot.



-- 
...w¡ñ§±¤ñ

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