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  Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-05 05:14 -0800
    Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-05 10:43 -0500
      Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-05 12:44 -0500
        Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-05 18:39 +0000
      Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2025-01-05 10:48 -0800
      Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Simon GAHHH Creator <noreply@GAHHH.com> - 2025-01-06 02:00 +0000
    Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-05 12:50 -0500
      Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-05 13:05 -0500
        Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-05 13:38 -0500
          Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-01-05 13:20 -0600
            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-05 14:53 -0500
            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-05 15:19 -0500
    Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Simon GAHHH Creator <noreply@GAHHH.com> - 2025-01-06 02:02 +0000
      Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-06 15:23 -0800
    Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2025-01-06 16:41 +0800
    Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 12:43 -0800
    Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2025-01-09 22:01 +0000
      Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 14:21 -0800
        Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-09 22:28 -0500
          Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 19:42 -0800
            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-09 23:05 -0500
              Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 14:34 -0800
            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-10 00:05 -0500
              Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-10 01:38 -0800
              Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-10 08:54 -0500
          Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-09 19:53 -0800
            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-10 09:01 -0500
              Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> - 2025-01-11 09:29 +0000
                Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 02:59 -0800
          Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2025-01-10 08:30 -0900
            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-10 14:00 -0500
              Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-10 11:19 -0800
                Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-10 19:43 -0500
                  Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-10 18:36 -0800
                    Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-10 21:59 -0500
                    Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-10 23:18 -0500
                      Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-10 23:39 -0500
                        Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 03:00 -0800
                          Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-11 08:46 -0500
                            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 12:49 -0800
                        Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-11 08:43 -0500
                          Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2025-01-11 10:04 -0900
                            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 12:51 -0800
                              Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-11 23:13 -0500
                                Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 22:46 -0800
                                Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net> - 2025-01-12 10:28 -0900
                          Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-11 13:43 -0800
                            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2025-01-12 10:53 -0700
                              Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-12 15:20 -0500
                                Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2025-01-13 09:41 -0700
                              Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-12 12:38 -0800
                                Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2025-01-13 09:48 -0700
                        Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-11 13:49 +0000
                          Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-01-11 11:15 -0500
            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.com> - 2025-01-11 09:30 +0000
          Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-19 22:50 +1100
            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-03-19 11:51 -0400
            Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-03-19 09:26 -0700
              Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-20 20:31 +1100
                Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 11:38 -0700
                  Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-21 22:46 +1100
                    Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks Daniel70 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> - 2025-03-21 23:23 +1100
      Re: Now I absolutely know why Windows 10 completely sucks "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2025-01-11 06:40 -0800

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#181211

On 1/9/2025 10:42 PM, T wrote:
> On 1/9/25 19:28, Newyana2 wrote:
>> Remove Edge
> 
> 
> I still have not figured out how to remove installed
> Edge.  How did you do it?

https://github.com/ShadowWhisperer/Remove-MS-Edge

   I then deleted the files from Program Files. I'm also
compressing winsxs, ending up with a Win10 of about
20 GB. (That's thesize of 3 XP installs, but it's
pretty good for Win10. :)

   I have found gotchas, though. Removing Edge disables
the Internet Options applet. Not a big deal. And extreme
tweaking seems to mess with updates. I do all updates
and activation after installing because I've had problems
with both after tweaking. Personally I want MS locked out,
anyway, once I've got it set up, so that's not a problem
for me. People who religiously update might be wise to avoid
cleaning things up too much.

   My sense is that MS want Windows to be interactive TV
with ads and shopping. They don't want people thinking about
using Windows as a tool for productivity. So it's become MS
way or the highway. If you clean it up they do what they
can to make your life difficult.

    I was amazed at what a
monstrosity News and Interests is. I saw it for the first time
yesterday. Then there's OneDrive, Copilot, Teams... I don't
even know what half of these things are. Default and cleaned
up look like two different operating systems.

  Another nice tweak: If one replaces ieframe.dll (two of
them) with the 20H2 versions then IE functionality returns.
Not a big deal, but nice to have. I like IE for local webpages,
as my default browser, then I block it from going online. That
prevents sneaky things that try to send me to their website
without asking. IE jumps up and says, "Unable to reach that URL."

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#181293

On 1/9/25 8:05 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 1/9/2025 10:42 PM, T wrote:

>> I still have not figured out how to remove installed
>> Edge.  How did you do it?
> 
> https://github.com/ShadowWhisperer/Remove-MS-Edge

Hi Mewyana,

I am now Edge and web view free.

ThankyouThankyouThankyouThankyouThankyouThankyouThankyouThankyou !

I have a customer on PCI (Payment Card Industry)
that is always having to have me update Edge and
Web view every month.  He uses neither.   I am
going to approach him to allow me to just remove
both.

-T

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#181215

On Thu, 1/9/2025 10:42 PM, T wrote:
> On 1/9/25 19:28, Newyana2 wrote:
>> Remove Edge
> 
> 
> I still have not figured out how to remove installed
> Edge.  How did you do it?

I detect a fetish here :-)

I like this article, because so many of the methods don't work.
And the article above the comments, is about Microsoft and compliance
with the Digital Markets Act in the EU zone.

   https://www.ghacks.net/2024/04/17/dear-microsoft-why-cannot-i-uninstall-microsoft-edge-on-windows/

If Microsoft is "compliant" with the Act, it's sure hard to tell from
the comments section.

I only wanted to refer to that link, to show you how Microsoft
behaves, when there is a legal reason to do the right thing.

Imagine how they behave in North America, where there are no
rules and cowboys wander drunk in the streets :-)

At one time, the original ChromEdge was perfectly removable,
because at that time, it was still using the Chrome ZIP method
and uninstall command. But Microsoft ripped all of that out
of there, and the program has long since lost its ease of use.

There is also WebView2, and you have to decide what you're going
to do with that (remove or leave). Something has to support
HTML/JS "Apps". Removing that, might break your News and Interests
for example (gosh!). But it might also break the Microsoft Calculator.App .

One person claims they used "Hammer and Tongs" to remove it,
deleting this and that. And it "hasn't come back". But, you need
an extremely long temporal period to conclude you have "a victory
on your hands". It makes more sense to tear the shit out of Windows 10,
since there are no more "Upgrade Installs" going to happen there.
Windows 11 would have more "self-repair" opportunities.

   Paul

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#181218

On 1/9/25 9:05 PM, Paul wrote:
>> I still have not figured out how to remove installed
>> Edge.  How did you do it?

> I detect a fetish here 🙂

Yes you are.  Spyware, where the OS turns the users into
the product rather than the customer, MAKES  ME  S-W-E-A-R!

Not an admission that I swear.

:-)

-T

Yes, I full realize that I would not have a job if not for
M$'s poor quality and shenanigans.

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#181226

On 1/10/2025 12:05 AM, Paul wrote:

> Imagine how they behave in North America, where there are no
> rules and cowboys wander drunk in the streets :-)
> 
    That's only in the US. As I understand it, Canadians mostly
sit around quilting and being reasonable.

> There is also WebView2, and you have to decide what you're going
> to do with that (remove or leave). Something has to support
> HTML/JS "Apps". Removing that, might break your News and Interests
> for example (gosh!). But it might also break the Microsoft Calculator.App .
> 

   That's an interesting question. I remove most of the "apps" that
are not runtimes or hardware support. Do the rest use WebView2?
I don't know. If those did break then wouldn't that also break the
Metro/WinRT/UWP settings applets? (You know, the dumb ones
that have almost no settings and show no windows chrome.) But
then, Metro predates Edge. I really don't know how all of that ties
in. My assumption has been that Metro and its distorted siblings
are an entire runtime of its own. As I understand it, one can use
script to write them, but also C++ and .Net can be used. So I'm
guessing there's some kind of transformation from one's code of
choice into some kind of interpreted Metro code. Knowing Microsoft,
it probably involves gobs of JSON and GUIDs, stuck together with
some kind of abomination designed to conflict with all other languages,
so that MS tools have to be used to write the apps... But I've never
actually looked into it. I've never had any curiosity about writing a
desktop app.

    I didn't try to remove WebView2 and don't know whether
there's any such thing separate from Win10. (IE, for example,
includes critical system DLLs like shdocvw and urlmon. What,
exactly is IE?) My guess is that WebView2 is only about getting
an actual Edge browser window, since it's an add-on for older
systems.

   In any case, Edge and all signs of it can be removed. Scripting of
HTAs is not touched, as that uses the now hidden IE, which can still
be used in HTAs and can still be called up via COM.

> One person claims they used "Hammer and Tongs" to remove it,
> deleting this and that. And it "hasn't come back". But, you need
> an extremely long temporal period to conclude you have "a victory
> on your hands". 

    All bets are off if one allows updates to install. Microsoft have
adopted the position that "all your computers are belong to us".
I've seen repeated complaints of people getting Copilot or News
and Interests without asking. MS clearly have a plan in terms of
how they want Windows to run. It involves shopping and surveillance.
Productivity? Not so much. Maybe that's not so bad. Who wants
productivity anymore? Give me an AI version of Kim Kardashian's
ass if she were a Martian, so that I have something to post on
Instagram.

    Now that the Microsofties have sacfrificed dignity and self-respect
at the altar of Moola, the sky's the limit. (Before I nuked News and
Interests on my new box, it offered me a dozen fluff options to
celebrate Elvis's birthday.)

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#181210

On 1/9/25 7:28 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
> My setup is similar to what you describe with Tiny11.
> A separate, custom installer is not needed.


I only use Tiny-11 on new installs.

I have switched from Classic Shell to Open Shell.
I carry it with me on a stick.

11's menu is a rip off of Chromebook.  It is miserable.

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#181227

On 1/9/2025 10:53 PM, T wrote:
> On 1/9/25 7:28 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
>> My setup is similar to what you describe with Tiny11.
>> A separate, custom installer is not needed.
> 
> 
> I only use Tiny-11 on new installs.
> 
> I have switched from Classic Shell to Open Shell.
> I carry it with me on a stick.
> 
> 11's menu is a rip off of Chromebook.  It is miserable.
> 

   Interesting. I've never seen a Chromebook. But I agree
that the Win11 Start Menu is yet one or two more steps
removed from usability then Win10's. Though there was
one thing I liked. It has an item to get all kinds of obscure
system tools all in one window, as icon shortcuts. Disk
management, for example.

   I tried Open Shell and it seemed a bit unstable, but maybe
it's worth a try on Win11, since a few things have probably
changed. It's a lifesaver on Win10. Not only the Start Menu
but also for doing things like getting all the crap out of the
Computer folder. By default, the whole top section is a silly
abstraction of the file system. Pictures, Videos, Music, etc.

   I wouldn't mind these things if there were choices, like a
simple setting in Folder Options to "Show Libraries". But MS
goes to great lengths now to hide choice.

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#181258

On 10/01/2025 14:01, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 1/9/2025 10:53 PM, T wrote:
>> On 1/9/25 7:28 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
>>> My setup is similar to what you describe with Tiny11.
>>> A separate, custom installer is not needed.
>>
>>
>> I only use Tiny-11 on new installs.
>>
>> I have switched from Classic Shell to Open Shell.
>> I carry it with me on a stick.
>>
>> 11's menu is a rip off of Chromebook.  It is miserable.
>>
> 
>    Interesting. I've never seen a Chromebook. But I agree
> that the Win11 Start Menu is yet one or two more steps
> removed from usability then Win10's. Though there was
> one thing I liked. It has an item to get all kinds of obscure
> system tools all in one window, as icon shortcuts. Disk
> management, for example.
> 
>    I tried Open Shell and it seemed a bit unstable, but maybe
> it's worth a try on Win11, since a few things have probably
> changed. It's a lifesaver on Win10. Not only the Start Menu
> but also for doing things like getting all the crap out of the
> Computer folder. By default, the whole top section is a silly
> abstraction of the file system. Pictures, Videos, Music, etc.
> 
Snip
> 

I use Open Shell on Windows 8.1 & Classic Shell on Windows 10 & I have 
never seen any signs of unstability. They work as they should.


-- 
Regards
wasbit

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#181260

On 1/11/25 1:29 AM, wasbit wrote:
> 
> I use Open Shell on Windows 8.1 & Classic Shell on Windows 10 & I have 
> never seen any signs of unstability. They work as they should.

I have it spread over two counties with no problems.  But
that does not mean Newyana2 has not seen problems.
What we need is a deep dive to find out what is happening
to him.

By chance dos he also have Explorer Patcher installed?

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#181239

Newyana2 wrote:
> On 1/9/2025 5:21 PM, T wrote:
>> On 1/9/25 14:01, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>
>>> How has the fact that Windows is getting bigger and bigger with more
>>> and more code that nobody has touched in years been discarded as a
>>> possible cause?
>>>
>>
>> 1+. You have a point. Tiny-11
>>
>   What I'm doing is to install and then get all the latest updates.
> Then install Classic Shell and Winaero Tweaker to clean up the
> mess. (Can Tiny11 offer a usable Start Menu? I'm guessing not.)

Open Shell is now getting a little work done on it.  I think Classic Shell 
is basically abandoned.
-- 
<Bill>

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska 

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#181244

On 1/10/2025 12:30 PM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
> Newyana2 wrote:
>> On 1/9/2025 5:21 PM, T wrote:
>>> On 1/9/25 14:01, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>
>>>> How has the fact that Windows is getting bigger and bigger with more
>>>> and more code that nobody has touched in years been discarded as a
>>>> possible cause?
>>>>
>>>
>>> 1+. You have a point. Tiny-11
>>>
>>    What I'm doing is to install and then get all the latest updates.
>> Then install Classic Shell and Winaero Tweaker to clean up the
>> mess. (Can Tiny11 offer a usable Start Menu? I'm guessing not.)
> 
> Open Shell is now getting a little work done on it.  I think Classic Shell
> is basically abandoned.
> 
   Yes. CS is definitely not being worked on. But it seemed
to work better on Win10 for me. I certainly had no problems
with it. But trying it on 11 might be risky. I've downloaded
OS for that.

    I sure am glad that someone was willing to
take the time to figure these things out. That Start Menu
just gets worse with each version. I now have 4 items on
al start menus: Sht down, Run, Settings, Programs. Then
I clean up the program shortcuts.

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#181246

On 1/10/25 11:00, Newyana2 wrote:
>>
>> Open Shell is now getting a little work done on it.  I think Classic 
>> Shell
>> is basically abandoned.
>>
>    Yes. CS is definitely not being worked on. But it seemed
> to work better on Win10 for me. I certainly had no problems
> with it. But trying it on 11 might be risky. I've downloaded
> OS for that.
> 
>     I sure am glad that someone was willing to
> take the time to figure these things out. That Start Menu
> just gets worse with each version. I now have 4 items on
> al start menus: Sht down, Run, Settings, Programs. Then
> I clean up the program shortcuts.

Have you disabled fast startup?

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#181252

On 1/10/2025 2:19 PM, T wrote:

> Have you disabled fast startup?

  I'm not familiar with that. I disable it on BIOS level. But I also,
always, disable hibernate to get rid of hiberfil.sys. (I also
move the swap file to a set size on a data partition.) so I
don't think that I even could enable fast startup. Why do you
ask? Personally I don't see any value in it. Why would I want to
store the current configuration rather than booting fresh?

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#181253

On 1/10/25 4:43 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 1/10/2025 2:19 PM, T wrote:
> 
>> Have you disabled fast startup?
> 
>   I'm not familiar with that. I disable it on BIOS level. But I also,
> always, disable hibernate to get rid of hiberfil.sys. (I also
> move the swap file to a set size on a data partition.) so I
> don't think that I even could enable fast startup. Why do you
> ask? Personally I don't see any value in it. Why would I want to
> store the current configuration rather than booting fresh?
> 


Fast Startup makes your system unstable after a few days.
This "might" be your problem with Open Shell and other things:

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-windows-10-fast-startup

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#181254

On Fri, 1/10/2025 9:36 PM, T wrote:
> On 1/10/25 4:43 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
>> On 1/10/2025 2:19 PM, T wrote:
>>
>>> Have you disabled fast startup?
>>
>>   I'm not familiar with that. I disable it on BIOS level. But I also,
>> always, disable hibernate to get rid of hiberfil.sys. (I also
>> move the swap file to a set size on a data partition.) so I
>> don't think that I even could enable fast startup. Why do you
>> ask? Personally I don't see any value in it. Why would I want to
>> store the current configuration rather than booting fresh?
>>
> 
> 
> Fast Startup makes your system unstable after a few days.
> This "might" be your problem with Open Shell and other things:
> 
> https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-windows-10-fast-startup

I do the same thing, "powercfg 'h off" and that gets rid of the
hiberfil.sys , and then in sysdm.cpl, change the swap to 1024 MB
fixed size. As the machines have a good deal of RAM and don't really
need a swap.

Removing those, reduces the size of the backup file when making
a backup of C: . The smaller the RAM is on the computer, the
smaller the waste from those items. On a 4GB DRAM machine, it
is not worth worrying about any hiberfil.sys in that case.
But on SSDs I like to "trim the junk" in the root of C: .

   Paul

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#181255

On 1/10/2025 9:36 PM, T wrote:

> Fast Startup makes your system unstable after a few days.
> This "might" be your problem with Open Shell and other things:
> 

   I haven't had any trouble with an unstable system. I just
seem to remember Open Shell being a bit glitchy. Classic Shell
has been fine. I also installed OS on Win11 today and it seems
to be OK. Though the start button doesn't look quite right.
It's on top of the Windows button, which is still there. Not
a big deal, but not as smooth as CS.

   The only other problems I've had with Win10 are 1) the
astonishing discombobulated bloat that takes a lot of work
to clean up and 2) that updates don't seem to work very well
after tweaking. I've run updates now on 3 Win10 and 2 Win11.
They've all been smooth and quick when done before tweaking,
but unsuccessful after tweaking. I don't regard that as
instability. I regard it as indicative of Microsoft's increasing
resolve to force their customers into an ad-infested, spyware,
services system. I've repeatedly found Win10 to be brittle, and
I attribute that to Microsoft trying to block control. But I
haven't experienced instability. By brittle I mean that it breaks
easilly when I start fiddling around.

     I did pretty much lose the whole
thing when I tried to run a security update awhile back. Updates
that fail to even install shouldn't leave the system in pieces. But
I had a disk image backup and it all worked out OK. I won't be
trying that again.

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#181256

On Fri, 1/10/2025 11:18 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 1/10/2025 9:36 PM, T wrote:
> 
>> Fast Startup makes your system unstable after a few days.
>> This "might" be your problem with Open Shell and other things:
>>
> 
>   I haven't had any trouble with an unstable system. I just
> seem to remember Open Shell being a bit glitchy. Classic Shell
> has been fine. I also installed OS on Win11 today and it seems
> to be OK. Though the start button doesn't look quite right.
> It's on top of the Windows button, which is still there. Not
> a big deal, but not as smooth as CS.
> 
>   The only other problems I've had with Win10 are 1) the
> astonishing discombobulated bloat that takes a lot of work
> to clean up and 2) that updates don't seem to work very well
> after tweaking. I've run updates now on 3 Win10 and 2 Win11.
> They've all been smooth and quick when done before tweaking,
> but unsuccessful after tweaking. I don't regard that as
> instability. I regard it as indicative of Microsoft's increasing
> resolve to force their customers into an ad-infested, spyware,
> services system. I've repeatedly found Win10 to be brittle, and
> I attribute that to Microsoft trying to block control. But I
> haven't experienced instability. By brittle I mean that it breaks
> easilly when I start fiddling around.
> 
>     I did pretty much lose the whole
> thing when I tried to run a security update awhile back. Updates
> that fail to even install shouldn't leave the system in pieces. But
> I had a disk image backup and it all worked out OK. I won't be
> trying that again.

I had something weird today. I went out for groceries, and when I
came back, the machine was off. It wasn't a power fail, because
the clocks weren't flashing. I checked the Reliability monitor
and found this (Settings : type "relia" into the search).

Installation Failure: Windows failed to install the following
                      update with error 0x80073D02:

                      9MSSGKG348SP-MicrosoftWindows.Client.WebExperience

The identifier at the beginning of that, is not one I've seen before.

So when installing that, the machine did something rash, and I can't
imagine what. I was running my RAMDrive at the time and it was
loaded with stuff... all lost.

It would appear then, that the "Widgets" which are turned off,
have dropped my machine. Nice work, you bastards.

https://www.elevenforum.com/t/windows-web-experience-pack.2103/

["Microsoft Store Error Code 0x80073D02"]

I would have disconnected the network cable before I left,
but in fact my network cable is now worn out and needs to be
replaced.

Is this a great time to be alive, or what ?

   Paul

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#181261

On 1/10/25 8:39 PM, Paul wrote:
> I would have disconnected the network cable before I left,
> but in fact my network cable is now worn out and needs to be
> replaced.

Or just powered it off

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#181263

On 1/11/2025 6:00 AM, T wrote:
> On 1/10/25 8:39 PM, Paul wrote:
>> I would have disconnected the network cable before I left,
>> but in fact my network cable is now worn out and needs to be
>> replaced.
> 
> Or just powered it off

   I made an ethernet socket on my Desktop. I unplug
it when not using anything online or putting it on sleep.
That used to be because I'm overly cautious and
thorough by nature. Now it's because I'm running
"Microsoft's latest and great flagship blah, blah, blah..."

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#181278

On 1/11/25 5:46 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 1/11/2025 6:00 AM, T wrote:
>> On 1/10/25 8:39 PM, Paul wrote:
>>> I would have disconnected the network cable before I left,
>>> but in fact my network cable is now worn out and needs to be
>>> replaced.
>>
>> Or just powered it off
> 
>    I made an ethernet socket on my Desktop. I unplug
> it when not using anything online or putting it on sleep.
> That used to be because I'm overly cautious and
> thorough by nature. Now it's because I'm running
> "Microsoft's latest and great flagship blah, blah, blah..."

I did the same thing.  My Ethernet is disconnected until
I manually connect it.  I can flip it off, on, status.

Status shows IP (LAN), gateway, public IP (WAN),
name server.

I flip off my Ethernet when I do full backups as well.
I leave the pop up stating such on my screen so I know
what is going on.

And I power off when not in extended use.

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