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| Started by | "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> |
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| First post | 2025-10-27 08:14 -0400 |
| Last post | 2025-10-29 08:42 -0400 |
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DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-10-27 08:14 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 09:43 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 14:03 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:19 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:37 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 01:26 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 06:08 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 02:59 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 21:29 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:17 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:11 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 13:36 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:37 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 19:52 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:14 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 13:54 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 10:12 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-27 15:01 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:35 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 19:06 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 23:10 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 12:20 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:18 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 23:26 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-28 13:10 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 00:21 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-28 23:14 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 13:43 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2025-10-29 14:13 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:16 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:42 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 20:02 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Anssi Saari <anssi.saari@usenet.mail.kapsi.fi> - 2025-10-30 15:32 +0200
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:11 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-29 15:00 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 12:24 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:41 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 20:12 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 10:10 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:39 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 20:37 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:23 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Windows Devil <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-27 14:00 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 11:16 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Monsieur <Monsieur@notreal.invalid> - 2025-10-27 18:19 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 11:31 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:34 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:35 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:32 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-28 22:09 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:27 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 16:27 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-29 19:57 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:44 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-30 10:32 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-30 15:30 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-30 15:22 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-30 16:59 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:33 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 13:58 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-31 19:48 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 20:20 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 13:53 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-31 18:55 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:29 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-01 05:59 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:33 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-11-01 09:50 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:11 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 20:26 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-11-01 17:00 -0500
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-31 11:28 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:23 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-31 23:37 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-31 19:52 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 20:20 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-31 13:57 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:02 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:10 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 11:01 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 12:00 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-01 19:40 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:44 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Sump <sumpusent@outlook.com> - 2025-11-01 23:00 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-11-01 17:07 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-02 14:21 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-02 01:17 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-02 14:07 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-11-01 02:28 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:19 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 23:00 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-31 22:59 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-11-01 16:41 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-31 14:53 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-11-01 10:21 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Stan Brown <someone@example.com> - 2025-10-27 09:14 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-27 13:17 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "Alan K." <alan@invalid.com> - 2025-10-27 13:58 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 18:38 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-27 18:43 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 22:00 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 14:03 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-30 19:54 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:18 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:48 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-29 11:50 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 23:31 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 23:42 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 08:50 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-29 20:34 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:20 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 08:25 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:41 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 09:04 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 16:40 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-10-27 20:47 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-27 21:18 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-28 12:10 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-28 13:44 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 10:27 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 02:09 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Handsome Jack <jack@handsome.com> - 2025-10-28 07:13 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-28 05:06 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-28 11:59 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 23:13 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 08:58 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-30 00:32 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 22:55 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 16:46 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-10-28 20:03 -0500
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 19:10 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 17:33 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-29 23:18 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-29 23:36 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-30 00:42 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Felix <none@not.here> - 2025-10-30 01:05 +1100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-29 14:36 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:29 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 22:05 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:58 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-10-30 07:26 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:46 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-29 21:57 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 08:45 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 10:28 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 11:01 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 13:13 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:35 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 13:51 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:45 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2025-10-30 22:58 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-31 08:43 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:33 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:27 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-10-30 10:16 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:04 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:20 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 21:19 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 18:34 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-10-30 23:09 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2025-10-29 20:28 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-10-30 17:01 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-30 14:19 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2025-11-01 14:42 +0100
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-10-29 11:31 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> - 2025-10-29 13:12 +0000
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 12:13 -0400
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> - 2025-10-28 19:55 -0700
Re: DistroWatch Q&A: Advice for new Linux users Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-29 08:42 -0400
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 22:00 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <10dss43$2rgi2$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #188841 |
On 28/10/2025 5:38 am, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/10/27 17:17:7, Paul wrote: > > [] > > >> 3) Absolutely nobody fucking well cares about low end or old > > Either Linux _or_ Windows. > >> hardware. The Puppy days are gone forever. That's why we pulled >> up the ramp on the old video cards and dissed them. This article >> is merely more of the same. Why not pick a decrepit piece >> of crap and do a more realistic test ? For example, my > > Because, as you said, nobody cares. > >> Optiplex 780 with E8400 dual core and HD6450 video card, >> now that's a typical mom'pop box bought on a budget, a >> refurb. A castoff. And because it does not have POPCNT, >> you cannot force W11 into it. Will a 6.x kernel and no video >> driver work for me, a mere mom'pop user ? >> >> There should be two articles. The "nyah nyah, I have new hardware" >> article, and the "boo hiss, I have old hardware and can't afford > > Or, "I have old hardware which did all I wanted it to do". > >> new hardware". Microsoft proposes we all buy new hardware, >> and I can't see us recommending we all buy Jesse's test machine. >> >> The point is, the Linux ecosystem has now positioned itself, >> so it works just excellently on new hardware... just like >> Windows would. Hardly anyone can address the older equipment >> crowd. >> >> And that's the article I want someone knowledgeable to write. >> We should be encouraging people, by showing them how equipment >> real people own, would run with the materials in question. >> >> Who the hell wants Wayland sucking the good out of my >> HD6450 ? Will my weak processor make up the difference >> by doing fallback rendering ? > > The usual response is something like "why should we expend effort > supporting old hardware" (especially if it requires different drivers). But 'they' aren't "supporting old hardware", they are supporting hardware when it is current (5 years ago, 10 years ago, whatever), they are DISABLING support for 'old' hardware. That is ... if they just left what they had THERE and then added stuff for the NEW hardware, they could support both 'old' and 'new'!! > > Some of us oldsters - and I don't know what proportion; it may be > "shamed" into not speaking up (or buying new hardware) - wonder what is > it that _makes_ hardware _old_; there's certainly a strong _suspicion_ > that "improvements" in OSs are mostly countered by the higher hardware > requirements it needs. In particular, I have never understood why the > advances in graphics processing have been "necessary" for anyone not > into gaming and its consequent rendering needs. I can remember when keyboards *didn't* have "Windows" keys. Function Keys, sure. CTRL Keys, sure. Alt Keys, sure. But no "Windows" keys!! (and there's another key there but I don't know what IT's called) Bottom line of keys on this keyboard .... CTRL Unknown Windows Alt Space Alt Windows CTRL -- Daniel70
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 14:03 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10dt6s7$2ub8k$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #188917 |
On 2025/10/29 11:0:20, Daniel70 wrote: > On 28/10/2025 5:38 am, J. P. Gilliver wrote: [] >> The usual response is something like "why should we expend effort >> supporting old hardware" (especially if it requires different drivers). > > But 'they' aren't "supporting old hardware", they are supporting > hardware when it is current (5 years ago, 10 years ago, whatever), they > are DISABLING support for 'old' hardware. > > That is ... if they just left what they had THERE and then added stuff > for the NEW hardware, they could support both 'old' and 'new'!! Yes, agreed.>> >> Some of us oldsters - and I don't know what proportion; it may be >> "shamed" into not speaking up (or buying new hardware) - wonder what is >> it that _makes_ hardware _old_; there's certainly a strong _suspicion_ >> that "improvements" in OSs are mostly countered by the higher hardware >> requirements it needs. In particular, I have never understood why the >> advances in graphics processing have been "necessary" for anyone not >> into gaming and its consequent rendering needs. > > I can remember when keyboards *didn't* have "Windows" keys. I can remember the eightysomething (?) ones, with ten function keys in two rows of five on the left. But the 100/102/whatever _are_ an improvement! (Though I wish they'd put the arrow keys in a diamond [and perhaps with home/end/pgup/pgdn in one too, or around the first one].)> > Function Keys, sure. CTRL Keys, sure. Alt Keys, sure. > > But no "Windows" keys!! (and there's another key there but I don't know > what IT's called) > > Bottom line of keys on this keyboard .... > CTRL Unknown Windows Alt Space Alt Windows CTRL If it's a laptop, probably Function (Fn), usually used to give the function keys secondary functions like brightness and volume control, which I don't really mind. (Except when those are the _default_ and you have to use the Fn to get the _normal_ F1 etc., which was the case on this Lenovo - but fortunately I found a BIOS toggle.) On UK keyboards, and I think a lot of the others, the one to the right of Alt is "AltGr"; At first I used to find that an irrritant - a second Alt key would have been handy at times - until I discovered its function (I think AltGr came in about the time printed manuals went out), which is to provide áéíóú€ÁÉÍÓÚ\¦| (though I have \ anyway). I will admit I find the other key that (I think) came in about the time the Windows ones (context? I call it the right-click key) useful, and probably use it more than the Windows ones. (The addition of the Windows ones made some or all of Ctrl, Alt [or AltGr], and space shorter. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()ALIS-Ch++(p)Ar++T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
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| From | Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 19:54 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <10dv93c$3i5vl$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #188936 |
On 30/10/2025 1:03 am, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/10/29 11:0:20, Daniel70 wrote: >> On 28/10/2025 5:38 am, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > > [] > > >>> The usual response is something like "why should we expend effort >>> supporting old hardware" (especially if it requires different drivers). >> >> But 'they' aren't "supporting old hardware", they are supporting >> hardware when it is current (5 years ago, 10 years ago, whatever), they >> are DISABLING support for 'old' hardware. >> >> That is ... if they just left what they had THERE and then added stuff >> for the NEW hardware, they could support both 'old' and 'new'!! > > Yes, agreed.>> >>> Some of us oldsters - and I don't know what proportion; it may be >>> "shamed" into not speaking up (or buying new hardware) - wonder what is >>> it that _makes_ hardware _old_; there's certainly a strong _suspicion_ >>> that "improvements" in OSs are mostly countered by the higher hardware >>> requirements it needs. In particular, I have never understood why the >>> advances in graphics processing have been "necessary" for anyone not >>> into gaming and its consequent rendering needs. >> >> I can remember when keyboards *didn't* have "Windows" keys. > > I can remember the eightysomething (?) ones, with ten function keys in > two rows of five on the left. But the 100/102/whatever _are_ an > improvement! (Though I wish they'd put the arrow keys in a diamond [and > perhaps with home/end/pgup/pgdn in one too, or around the first one].)> >> Function Keys, sure. CTRL Keys, sure. Alt Keys, sure. >> >> But no "Windows" keys!! (and there's another key there but I don't know >> what IT's called) >> >> Bottom line of keys on this keyboard .... >> CTRL Unknown Windows Alt Space Alt Windows CTRL > If it's a laptop, probably Function (Fn), It wasn't a Laptop but it was the Fn key. -- Daniel70
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 21:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10e0knh$n2t$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #188985 |
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 19:54:04 +1100, Daniel70 wrote: > It wasn't a Laptop but it was the Fn key. The Fn key is a special modifier interpreted in the ACPI firmware. It is not the same as the “Windows” key (aka “Super” key or “🐧” key) that is just another modifier key handled by the OS/GUI.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 21:48 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10du239$3845i$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #188917 |
On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 22:00:20 +1100, Daniel70 wrote: > That is ... if they just left what they had THERE and then added stuff > for the NEW hardware, they could support both 'old' and 'new'!! If the code isn’t continually tested, it can get inadvertently broken by a seemingly unrelated change elsewhere. Maybe it depends on internal APIs which were reorganized to simplify support for new hardware, so somebody has to make changes to the old code, and you can’t just cross your fingers and hope it still works. > I can remember when keyboards *didn't* have "Windows" keys. The one I’m using on my main machine doesn’t (it’s a Das Keyboard 4). And my laptop keyboard doesn’t have that mark on it either.
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| From | Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 11:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <slrn10g3vt0.286.dan@djph.net> |
| In reply to | #188841 |
On 2025-10-27, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/10/27 17:17:7, Paul wrote: >> >> There should be two articles. The "nyah nyah, I have new hardware" >> article, and the "boo hiss, I have old hardware and can't afford > > Or, "I have old hardware which did all I wanted it to do". So far, the only hardware I've run into that slams into *that* wall was some 32-bit POS from 200x ... it still "runs", but "mainstream distros" are out. Granted, I also have just enough awareness to realize that I can't "demand" that someone else keep spending their time on 32bit support just because I have an antique that I want to keep running. All my 64-bit stuff from 2010/2012 onwards seems to not have any troubles even with the newer distros, barring a few cases of "dammit broadcom" that I fixed with some realtek USB dongle. -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: DDAB 23FB 19FA 7D85 1CC1 E067 6D65 70E5 4CE7 2860
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| From | Felix <none@not.here> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 23:31 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <mmefpeF30q9U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #188919 |
Dan Purgert wrote: > On 2025-10-27, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> On 2025/10/27 17:17:7, Paul wrote: >>> There should be two articles. The "nyah nyah, I have new hardware" >>> article, and the "boo hiss, I have old hardware and can't afford >> Or, "I have old hardware which did all I wanted it to do". > So far, the only hardware I've run into that slams into *that* wall was > some 32-bit POS from 200x ... it still "runs", but "mainstream distros" > are out. > > Granted, I also have just enough awareness to realize that I can't > "demand" that someone else keep spending their time on 32bit support > just because I have an antique that I want to keep running. > > All my 64-bit stuff from 2010/2012 onwards seems to not have any > troubles even with the newer distros, barring a few cases of "dammit > broadcom" that I fixed with some realtek USB dongle. > I have 10 -15 yo PC's here running LM 21.3 no issues -- Linux Mint 22.2 Q: What's the difference between Linux and Windows? A: You rule Linux, Microsoft Windows rules you
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| From | Felix <none@not.here> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 23:42 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <mmege6F30q9U3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #188923 |
Felix wrote: > Dan Purgert wrote: >> On 2025-10-27, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>> On 2025/10/27 17:17:7, Paul wrote: >>>> There should be two articles. The "nyah nyah, I have new hardware" >>>> article, and the "boo hiss, I have old hardware and can't afford >>> Or, "I have old hardware which did all I wanted it to do". >> So far, the only hardware I've run into that slams into *that* wall was >> some 32-bit POS from 200x ... it still "runs", but "mainstream distros" >> are out. >> >> Granted, I also have just enough awareness to realize that I can't >> "demand" that someone else keep spending their time on 32bit support >> just because I have an antique that I want to keep running. >> >> All my 64-bit stuff from 2010/2012 onwards seems to not have any >> troubles even with the newer distros, barring a few cases of "dammit >> broadcom" that I fixed with some realtek USB dongle. >> > > I have 10 -15 yo PC's here running LM 21.3 no issues > p.s. I leave them at 21.3 because someone said 22+ is for newer machines -- Linux Mint 22.2 Q: What's the difference between Linux and Windows? A: You rule Linux, Microsoft Windows rules you
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 08:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10dt2i2$2tmd8$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #188925 |
On Wed, 10/29/2025 8:42 AM, Felix wrote: > Felix wrote: >> Dan Purgert wrote: >>> On 2025-10-27, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>> On 2025/10/27 17:17:7, Paul wrote: >>>>> There should be two articles. The "nyah nyah, I have new hardware" >>>>> article, and the "boo hiss, I have old hardware and can't afford >>>> Or, "I have old hardware which did all I wanted it to do". >>> So far, the only hardware I've run into that slams into *that* wall was >>> some 32-bit POS from 200x ... it still "runs", but "mainstream distros" >>> are out. >>> >>> Granted, I also have just enough awareness to realize that I can't >>> "demand" that someone else keep spending their time on 32bit support >>> just because I have an antique that I want to keep running. >>> >>> All my 64-bit stuff from 2010/2012 onwards seems to not have any >>> troubles even with the newer distros, barring a few cases of "dammit >>> broadcom" that I fixed with some realtek USB dongle. >>> >> >> I have 10 -15 yo PC's here running LM 21.3 no issues >> > > p.s. I leave them at 21.3 because someone said 22+ is for newer machines > Test and see. That's what I'm running right now, is install tests. The results are pure weirdness, for sure. For example, everything I've installed so far, has exactly the same GLXGEARS results. One claims to be pure X11, another might be Wayland. There is supposed to be a difference here... because I tested for this before, and Wayland ran at half the speed of X11. It would seem the video card is somehow smothering the detail. Paul
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| From | vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 20:34 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10dttop$354ct$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #188927 |
At Wed, 29 Oct 2025 08:50:09 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: > On Wed, 10/29/2025 8:42 AM, Felix wrote: > > Felix wrote: > >> Dan Purgert wrote: > >>> On 2025-10-27, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > >>>> On 2025/10/27 17:17:7, Paul wrote: > >>>>> There should be two articles. The "nyah nyah, I have new hardware" > >>>>> article, and the "boo hiss, I have old hardware and can't afford > >>>> Or, "I have old hardware which did all I wanted it to do". > >>> So far, the only hardware I've run into that slams into *that* wall was > >>> some 32-bit POS from 200x ... it still "runs", but "mainstream distros" > >>> are out. > >>> > >>> Granted, I also have just enough awareness to realize that I can't > >>> "demand" that someone else keep spending their time on 32bit support > >>> just because I have an antique that I want to keep running. > >>> > >>> All my 64-bit stuff from 2010/2012 onwards seems to not have any > >>> troubles even with the newer distros, barring a few cases of "dammit > >>> broadcom" that I fixed with some realtek USB dongle. > >>> > >> > >> I have 10 -15 yo PC's here running LM 21.3 no issues > >> > > > > p.s. I leave them at 21.3 because someone said 22+ is for newer machines > > > > Test and see. > > That's what I'm running right now, is install tests. > > The results are pure weirdness, for sure. > > For example, everything I've installed so far, has > exactly the same GLXGEARS results. One claims to be > pure X11, another might be Wayland. There is supposed > to be a difference here... because I tested for this > before, and Wayland ran at half the speed of X11. > It would seem the video card is somehow smothering > the detail. > > Paul By default, glxgears syncs to vblank. To unlock it: $ vblank_mode=0 __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=0 glxgears 106787 frames in 5.0 seconds = 21357.289 FPS 108361 frames in 5.0 seconds = 21671.984 FPS 108247 frames in 5.0 seconds = 21648.572 FPS ^C -- -v System76 Thelio Mega v1.1 x86_64 NVIDIA RTX 3090Ti 24G OS: Linux 6.17.5 D: Mint 22.2 DE: Xfce 4.18 NVIDIA: 580.95.05 Mem: 258G "This space intentionally left"
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 21:20 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10duehu$3c1ee$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #188954 |
On Wed, 10/29/2025 4:34 PM, vallor wrote: > At Wed, 29 Oct 2025 08:50:09 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote: > >> On Wed, 10/29/2025 8:42 AM, Felix wrote: >>> Felix wrote: >>>> Dan Purgert wrote: >>>>> On 2025-10-27, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>>>>> On 2025/10/27 17:17:7, Paul wrote: >>>>>>> There should be two articles. The "nyah nyah, I have new hardware" >>>>>>> article, and the "boo hiss, I have old hardware and can't afford >>>>>> Or, "I have old hardware which did all I wanted it to do". >>>>> So far, the only hardware I've run into that slams into *that* wall was >>>>> some 32-bit POS from 200x ... it still "runs", but "mainstream distros" >>>>> are out. >>>>> >>>>> Granted, I also have just enough awareness to realize that I can't >>>>> "demand" that someone else keep spending their time on 32bit support >>>>> just because I have an antique that I want to keep running. >>>>> >>>>> All my 64-bit stuff from 2010/2012 onwards seems to not have any >>>>> troubles even with the newer distros, barring a few cases of "dammit >>>>> broadcom" that I fixed with some realtek USB dongle. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I have 10 -15 yo PC's here running LM 21.3 no issues >>>> >>> >>> p.s. I leave them at 21.3 because someone said 22+ is for newer machines >>> >> >> Test and see. >> >> That's what I'm running right now, is install tests. >> >> The results are pure weirdness, for sure. >> >> For example, everything I've installed so far, has >> exactly the same GLXGEARS results. One claims to be >> pure X11, another might be Wayland. There is supposed >> to be a difference here... because I tested for this >> before, and Wayland ran at half the speed of X11. >> It would seem the video card is somehow smothering >> the detail. >> >> Paul > > By default, glxgears syncs to vblank. To unlock it: > > $ vblank_mode=0 __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=0 glxgears > 106787 frames in 5.0 seconds = 21357.289 FPS > 108361 frames in 5.0 seconds = 21671.984 FPS > 108247 frames in 5.0 seconds = 21648.572 FPS > ^C > The runs I did, were done that way. I have that in my notes file, when I forget. The runs were all in the 5000 range, as it's a HD6450 that draws 13 watts and it is not exactly a powerhouse. That is its claim to fame, is it does not overload the PSU in the Optiplex 780. (The PSU has no PCIe power connectors.) I guess the result is accelerated, as I don't think I would hit 5000 via just a Core2 processor doing fallback rendering. If I run glxgears in Bash shell on this machine, that's an unaccelerated graphics stack. $ vblank_mode=0 glxgears ATTENTION: default value of option vblank_mode overridden by environment. 772 frames in 5.0 seconds = 154.328 FPS 654 frames in 5.0 seconds = 130.761 FPS 653 frames in 5.0 seconds = 130.454 FPS 637 frames in 5.0 seconds = 127.245 FPS Paul
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| From | Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 08:25 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10dv7ef$3hf8p$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #188925 |
On 29/10/2025 12:42, Felix wrote: > Felix wrote: >> I have 10 -15 yo PC's here running LM 21.3 no issues >> > > p.s. I leave them at 21.3 because someone said 22+ is for newer machines I have a 12+ years old machine (Clevo P150EM) running 22.2 without problem. -- Jeff
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-30 14:41 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <10e0bhl$3tt11$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #188982 |
On Thu, 10/30/2025 4:25 AM, Jeff Layman wrote: > On 29/10/2025 12:42, Felix wrote: >> Felix wrote: > >>> I have 10 -15 yo PC's here running LM 21.3 no issues >>> >> >> p.s. I leave them at 21.3 because someone said 22+ is for newer machines > > I have a 12+ years old machine (Clevo P150EM) running 22.2 without problem. > As long as you take a backup first, go ahead and try out an Upgrade. Some people try to run their computer room with just the one computer, and only a boot drive for company. You should have at least one external backup drive, for the times when a safety backup is required. That's how you avoid your setup getting trashed. My worst case here, is one day I broke *two* computers which would not start (oops!) and I used a third computer to Google my ass off and rescue myself. That's my worst case as a clumsy oaf. Two broken computers. So three computers seems to cover things, rather nicely. My backup drive (somewhere in the room here), it has 8-10 safety backups on it. And I will be tossing a lot of those, on a cleanup day. But the safety backups are there, in case something goes wrong. For a safety backup, you can put the word "ERASEME" in the filename, which is a great aid to cleanup later. And if you don't have a backup method, what are you waiting for ? Looks like rain today... naw, I don't need to buy an umbrella, I will run between the drops instead. Once you lose some materials, it becomes apparent you really do need backups. Paul
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| From | Jeff Layman <Jeff@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-31 09:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10e1u2j$a3h7$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #189004 |
On 30/10/2025 18:41, Paul wrote: > On Thu, 10/30/2025 4:25 AM, Jeff Layman wrote: >> On 29/10/2025 12:42, Felix wrote: >>> Felix wrote: >> >>>> I have 10 -15 yo PC's here running LM 21.3 no issues >>>> >>> >>> p.s. I leave them at 21.3 because someone said 22+ is for newer machines >> >> I have a 12+ years old machine (Clevo P150EM) running 22.2 without problem. >> > > As long as you take a backup first, go ahead and try out an Upgrade. No backup. Now before you use some language about by background that you might regret, this was a new install on a blank disk. The old spinner 1TB HD with the 21.3 version of LM had died (I had a backup or three...), and I decided to put in a 256GB SSD (SATA) instead and go straight to 22.2. I did wonder if there might be problems with 22.2, but there weren't. There were a few special programs I had on the old desktop that I needed to install (such as qpdfview and XnView MP), and once up and running I used my home directory backup to replace the 22.2 version. > Some people try to run their computer room with just the one > computer, and only a boot drive for company. You should have > at least one external backup drive, for the times when > a safety backup is required. That's how you avoid your setup > getting trashed. That's no doubt required for someone who likes to experiment a lot, but although I use Timeshift, it's really just for those occasions where an update goes wrong and it's easy to revert to the stage before the update. Quite honestly, if the laptop got borked so badly it wouldn't even boot, it would be easier for me to just start from scratch, reinstall Mint and those few special programs, and restore the home directory from its latest backup. > And if you don't have a backup method, what are you waiting for ? > Looks like rain today... naw, I don't need to buy an umbrella, > I will run between the drops instead. Once you lose some materials, > it becomes apparent you really do need backups. I've always got grandfather, father, and son backups of my home directory on USB drives. -- Jeff
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| From | Mike Easter <MikeE@ster.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-28 16:40 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mmd2j0Fq47pU3@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #188838 |
Paul wrote: > 3) Absolutely nobody fucking well cares about low end or old > hardware. The Puppy days are gone forever. Not exactly; old is a relative term. For example, what is old to W11 isn't. Puppy is not only still around and interesting and useful, but it has an evolutionary offspring in EasyOS now based on embedded-ish stuff and allegedly the *best* container-management of linux. -- Mike Easter
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| From | MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> |
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| Date | 2025-10-27 20:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10dolph$16h29$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #188821 |
On 27/10/2025 12:14, Alan K. wrote: > DistroWatch had what I think is a pretty good q&a here this week. > Kinda hits home with recent events in Windows 10 EOL. > > Short read. > > https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20251027#qa > > > > Advice for new Linux users > > Roll-out-the-welcome-mat asks: With all the new Linux users coming over > with the End of 10, any advice for the Linux newbies? > > I think my take on that article is rather different from any other response so far. To me it is perfect as a warning to potential Linux users. Stay well away unless you want to enter a world of condescending geeks with a warped idea that everyone should be "a responsible adult" computer user, i.e. a geek like them.
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| From | Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-27 21:18 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10donih$17dho$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #188848 |
On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 20:47:45 +0000, MikeS wrote: > To me it is perfect as a warning to potential Linux users. Stay well > away unless you want to enter a world of condescending geeks with a > warped idea that everyone should be "a responsible adult" computer > user, i.e. a geek like them. Because of course Microsoft doesn’t treat you that way, does it? It considers you to be a responsible adult, quite capable of being responsible for your own destiny, without any babysitting, overriding your default settings, forcing updates on you, pushing “features” on you that you didn’t want, or anything like that!
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| From | Felix <none@not.here> |
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| Date | 2025-10-28 12:10 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <mmajgiFd7qlU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #188850 |
Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote: > On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 20:47:45 +0000, MikeS wrote: > >> To me it is perfect as a warning to potential Linux users. Stay well >> away unless you want to enter a world of condescending geeks with a >> warped idea that everyone should be "a responsible adult" computer >> user, i.e. a geek like them. > Because of course Microsoft doesn’t treat you that way, does it? It > considers you to be a responsible adult, quite capable of being > responsible for your own destiny, without any babysitting, overriding > your default settings, forcing updates on you, pushing “features” on > you that you didn’t want, or anything like that! and forcing hardware and software to become obsolete, and of course getting info about you and controlling your data -- Linux Mint 22.2 Q: What's the difference between Linux and Windows? A: You rule Linux, Microsoft Windows rules you
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-10-28 13:44 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <10dqksu.1594.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #188850 |
Lawrence D?Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: > On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 20:47:45 +0000, MikeS wrote: > > > To me it is perfect as a warning to potential Linux users. Stay well > > away unless you want to enter a world of condescending geeks with a > > warped idea that everyone should be "a responsible adult" computer > > user, i.e. a geek like them. > > Because of course Microsoft doesn?t treat you that way, does it? It > considers you to be a responsible adult, quite capable of being > responsible for your own destiny, without any babysitting, overriding > your default settings, forcing updates on you, pushing ?features? on > you that you didn?t want, or anything like that! What you say goes for *any* company (last time I checked, Linux wasn't a company), whether in IT or other. But this 'responsible adult' has no problems with any of the issues or concerns you raise. Not with Microsoft, not with Google (including Android), etc., etc,. But yes, the ignorant[1]/clueless/stupid are at risk, from any and all of them. News at eleven! [1] As in: not knowing/aware.
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| From | Felix <none@not.here> |
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| Date | 2025-10-29 10:27 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <mmd1q7Fq4oqU2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #188896 |
Frank Slootweg wrote: > Lawrence D?Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >> On Mon, 27 Oct 2025 20:47:45 +0000, MikeS wrote: >> >>> To me it is perfect as a warning to potential Linux users. Stay well >>> away unless you want to enter a world of condescending geeks with a >>> warped idea that everyone should be "a responsible adult" computer >>> user, i.e. a geek like them. >> Because of course Microsoft doesn?t treat you that way, does it? It >> considers you to be a responsible adult, quite capable of being >> responsible for your own destiny, without any babysitting, overriding >> your default settings, forcing updates on you, pushing ?features? on >> you that you didn?t want, or anything like that! > What you say goes for *any* company (last time I checked, Linux wasn't > a company), whether in IT or other. That's right, Linux has no control over you like M$ does > > But this 'responsible adult' has no problems with any of the issues or > concerns you raise. Not with Microsoft, not with Google (including > Android), etc., etc,. > > But yes, the ignorant[1]/clueless/stupid are at risk, from any and all > of them. News at eleven! > > [1] As in: not knowing/aware. -- Linux Mint 22.2 Q: What's the difference between Linux and Windows? A: You rule Linux, Microsoft Windows rules you
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