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| Started by | "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> |
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| First post | 2024-04-25 03:57 -0700 |
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Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-25 03:57 -0700
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-25 08:27 -0400
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> - 2024-04-25 14:46 +0100
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-28 07:26 -0700
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-04-28 13:58 -0500
App Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-04-29 05:17 +0200
Re: App Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@gmail.moc> - 2024-04-29 13:36 +0300
Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-29 12:50 +0200
Re: App nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-04-29 13:45 +0200
Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-29 13:47 +0200
Re: App Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-29 08:59 -0400
Re: App "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-29 06:33 -0700
Re: App Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-29 13:38 -0400
Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-04-30 10:47 +1000
Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-04-29 22:21 -0400
Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-04-30 14:18 +1000
Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-04-30 14:31 +1000
Re: App Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-30 08:45 -0400
Re: App Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-29 22:48 -0400
Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-30 09:32 +0200
Re: App Newyana2 <mayayana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-04-30 09:28 -0400
Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-30 09:27 +0200
Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-30 11:06 +0200
Re: App Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-05-04 07:01 +0200
Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-04 02:11 -0400
Re: App John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2024-05-04 10:28 +0100
Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-04 10:43 -0400
Re: App Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-05-04 14:51 +0000
Re: App Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-05-04 18:56 +0200
Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-04 19:25 -0400
Re: App Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2024-05-05 14:02 -0500
Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-05-05 13:59 +1000
Re: App Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-05-06 05:56 +0200
Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-05-06 07:37 +0200
Re: App Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> - 2024-05-06 07:15 -0700
Re: App lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-05-04 23:40 -0600
Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-05-05 18:15 +1000
Re: App lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-05-05 23:18 -0600
Re: App nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-05-06 13:52 +0200
Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-06 14:47 -0400
Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-05-07 10:09 +1000
Re: App Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2024-05-14 15:31 -0500
Re: App lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-05-14 22:40 -0600
Re: App lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2024-05-06 19:18 -0600
Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-05-06 22:14 -0400
Re: App nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2024-05-07 10:41 +0200
Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-05-05 11:28 +0200
Re: App Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2024-05-06 06:02 +0200
Re: App 0rby <graham@custompc.plus.com> - 2024-05-04 18:34 +0100
Re: App 0rby <graham@custompc.plus.com> - 2024-05-04 18:46 +0100
Re: App Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2024-04-30 10:48 +1000
Re: App Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> - 2024-05-05 23:40 +0300
Re: App Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-04-29 17:05 -0400
Re: App Bertel Lund Hansen <gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> - 2024-04-30 09:35 +0200
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-29 05:53 -0700
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-04-25 14:30 +0000
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> - 2024-04-25 08:51 -0700
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-04-25 13:32 -0500
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-28 07:34 -0700
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-04-28 13:53 -0500
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-29 06:15 -0700
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-04-29 12:00 -0500
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2024-04-25 17:47 +0000
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-28 07:42 -0700
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-04-26 02:09 -0400
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-28 07:49 -0700
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-04-28 13:59 -0400
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2024-04-25 16:56 +0100
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-28 07:50 -0700
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-04-28 14:14 -0500
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-29 06:23 -0700
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-05-01 16:23 -0400
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> - 2024-04-25 12:44 -0500
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-28 07:56 -0700
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> - 2024-04-26 02:13 -0400
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> - 2024-04-28 07:58 -0700
Re: Windows 10 is randomly removing programs without telling me Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> - 2024-04-29 15:12 +0100
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| From | "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2024-04-29 06:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <v0o6gr$1orbg$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #176194 |
VanguardLH wrote: > John C. wrote: >> VanguardLH wrote: >>> Stan Brown wrote: >>>> Frank Slootweg wrote: >>>>> >>>>> How do you *know* the program was "removed" (uninstalled)? Was it >>>>> listed in Control Panel (-> Programs -> Programs and Features) and >>>>> is it no longer listed there? >> >> I know because I just installed the program. It runs in the background >> with an icon on the Tray. I noticed when I started up the system a >> couple of days ago that the icon was missing. When I tried to find the >> program in my Start Menu, it wasn't there. When I looked in "Programs >> and Features", it was no longer listed as an installed program. >> >> I did NOT uninstall the program myself. Period. > > There are installable and portable versions of WizMouse. The installer > likely adds the Start menu and desktop shortcuts, and probably defaults > to showing a systray icon. For the portable version, you merely copy > the files (no shortcuts unless you create them). Could be there is an > option of whether or not to show a systray icon, especially for the > portable version (but then it really isn't portable if it gets added as > a startup program since affects the registry for startup proggies). > > Seems you moved from Windows 7 to 10. Was that an upgrade from 7 to 10? No, the option I chose during the move was to do a fresh install from scratch rather than an upgrade. For some reason though, the process did create a folder named "Windows.old" which contained the old $Recycle.bin and complete "Users" folders. Glad it did so, too. And since I had my data backed up, I was able to preserve that. > Or did you do a fresh install of Win10, and then install (not copy the > portable version of) WizMouse? I did a fresh install. > Do you run any cleanup tools (e.g., CCleaner, Bleachbit, etc)? No. I didn't do that. Still haven't done that yet. Still checking out a few things before I do. > Where was the install folder for WizMouse? "C:\Program Files (x86)\WizMouse\WizMouse.exe" > Is that folder, or its parent, a target for a cleanup tool? No, it is not. >>>> Another possibility: Windows Security (formerly Windows Defender) or >>>> the Malicious Software Removal Tool might have decided those programs >>>> were dangerous and quarantined them. >> >> There was no notification and no mention of it being uninstalled that >> I was able to find anywhere. >> >>>> To check that in Windows Security, open Settings; select >>>> Update & Security >>>> Windows Security >>>> Virus & Threat Protection >>>> Protection History >>>> If there are any "This app has been blocked" notations, click on each >>>> one in turn. > > To verify, did you check where Slootweg mentioned in Defender's history? Yes, I did. There was no mention of the program being removed. In fact, no mention of it at all. What I *did* see was a repeated mention of: "PUABundler:Win32/PhotoScapeBundler which presumably was installed with PhotoScapeSetup V3.7, despite my having refused the offer of third party crap during installation. >>> I downloaded the portable version of WizMouse (so I could see the files >>> instead of the installer executable). I submitted wizmouse.exe and >>> wizmouse.dll to VirusTotal. The .exe had a couple hits on obscure AVs, >>> but those are insignificant. The .dll had no hits. I don't think >>> Defender saw wizmouse as malware, but only looking it its logs might >>> show it decided it was a PUP (Probably Unwanted Program) or PUA >>> (Potentially Unwanted Application). >> >> I was going to explore whether or not MS's implementation of the >> feature did things like automatically move the background window to >> the foreground when I scrolled it. I do not want this to happen. >> However, before I was able to determine if this was the case or not, >> the program disappeared. > > In Win10 settings, go to Mouse, and check if the option "Scroll inactive > windows when I hover over them" is enabled. Scrolling the inactive > window does not change focus (the inactive window does rise to the top). Thanks for that. I did that just now and there was a checkmark there. Doesn't seem to hurt anything to leave Wizmouse installed though, but if it disappears again I probably won't reinstall it. > For what you do not want for now (make the scrolled inactive window rise > to the top), another option might look at is to make a window rise to > the top just by hovering the mouse over it. This is called the X-mouse > function. See: > > https://winaero.com/enable-xmouse-window-tracking-windows-10/ > > Scrolling an inactive window means part of that window could be > partially obliterated by another window. The x-mouse function lets you > pop the target window to the top that you could then scroll. Hover the > mouse over the prior window to have it get focus again. However, if I > need the scrolled window to be completely visible, I just click on it. That's also how I prefer to do things. Thanks again for your help, VanguardLH. -- John C.
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2024-04-29 12:00 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <1m0a2droo2kc7.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #176194 |
VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:
> In Win10 settings, go to Mouse, and check if the option "Scroll inactive
> windows when I hover over them" is enabled. Scrolling the inactive
> window does not change focus (the inactive window does rise to the top).
not ___/
Sometimes my brain
outpaces my fingers.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-04-25 17:47 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <v0ec0v.1tk.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #176131 |
Earlier today, I wrote: [...] > April 10 is the Wednesday after the last 'patch Tuesday' (second > Tuesday of the month), so it looks that Windows Update downloaded and > installed new drivers which it thought (FSVSVO 'think') were newer/ > better than the 'old'/installed ones. > > For Windows 10 (I mainly use Windows 11) there's still a setting which > you can set to prevent this from happening (again). (For Windows 11 it's > less easy, but still possible (with third-party software).) > > I don't have the Windows 10 setting handy, but others/Paul can point > you to it. I checked my notes and found my notes on how to stop automatic driver updates. It's apparently the same setting for Windows 10 and 11. Credits go to Paul [1] for mentioning the basic method (method 1. in the article) and for pointing to the MakeUseOf article: 'How to Stop Automatic Driver Updates on Windows' <https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-stop-automatic-driver-updates> FWIW, I checked with method 3. (Registry Editor) on my Windows 11 system and the SearchOrderConfig key is indeed set to the default value 1 (Automatic Driver Updates are enabled). Hope this helps. [...] [1] Paul's post: From: Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10 Subject: Re: Windows 10 updating drivers Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2022 18:09:02 -0500 Message-ID: <tod9if$3dbha$1@dont-email.me>
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| From | "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2024-04-28 07:42 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <v0ln8u$138s2$3@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #176137 |
Frank Slootweg wrote: > Earlier today, I wrote: > [...] > >> April 10 is the Wednesday after the last 'patch Tuesday' (second >> Tuesday of the month), so it looks that Windows Update downloaded and >> installed new drivers which it thought (FSVSVO 'think') were newer/ >> better than the 'old'/installed ones. >> >> For Windows 10 (I mainly use Windows 11) there's still a setting which >> you can set to prevent this from happening (again). (For Windows 11 it's >> less easy, but still possible (with third-party software).) >> >> I don't have the Windows 10 setting handy, but others/Paul can point >> you to it. > > I checked my notes and found my notes on how to stop automatic driver > updates. > > It's apparently the same setting for Windows 10 and 11. Credits go to > Paul [1] for mentioning the basic method (method 1. in the article) and > for pointing to the MakeUseOf article: > > 'How to Stop Automatic Driver Updates on Windows' > <https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-stop-automatic-driver-updates> > > FWIW, I checked with method 3. (Registry Editor) on my Windows 11 > system and the SearchOrderConfig key is indeed set to the default value > 1 (Automatic Driver Updates are enabled). > > Hope this helps. > > [...] > > [1] Paul's post: > From: Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> > Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10 > Subject: Re: Windows 10 updating drivers > Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2022 18:09:02 -0500 > Message-ID: <tod9if$3dbha$1@dont-email.me> Thanks, Frank. The info in the article was slightly different from what I found in the Group Policy Editor, but I still found the setting and enabled it. -- John C. No ad, CD, cripple, demo, nag, pay, pirated, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares for me please. So that I don't see them, I filter out crossposts (messages sent to multiple newsgroups at a time) and from various trolls (like "al" AKA "Bill Bennett".) If you do the same, the group will be easier for you to read.
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2024-04-26 02:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <h6hm2jd28u8bf3u00f4874fagt81v3h8f2@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #176131 |
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on 25 Apr 2024 14:30:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: > >> This smacks of collusion between Microsoft and Canon in order to get >> people to purchase new scanners from Canon. > > Some comment about stupidity versus malice? Not even stupidity. It's awfully hard to test updates with every device out there to make sure it's still compatible. That's why Apple doesn't let every Tom, Dick and Harry write software, etc for their products, but it's also why there are far fewer programs to run.
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| From | "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2024-04-28 07:49 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <v0lnlj$138s2$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #176155 |
micky wrote: > In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on 25 Apr 2024 14:30:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg > <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: > >> >>> This smacks of collusion between Microsoft and Canon in order to get >>> people to purchase new scanners from Canon. >> >> Some comment about stupidity versus malice? > > Not even stupidity. It's awfully hard to test updates with every device > out there to make sure it's still compatible. That's why Apple doesn't > let every Tom, Dick and Harry write software, etc for their products, > but it's also why there are far fewer programs to run. The scanner not only worked for me for a while in Windows 10, but many other Canoscan 8400F users experienced the same thing for a few years before a Microsoft updated rendered their scanners non-functional as well. Am I supposed to be happy about this kind of thing? My scanner still works physically and if I were to set up one of my older computers (something I don't have the room for in my house), I could easily attach the scanner to it and prove that it works. Would YOU be happy about being forced to purchase a new scanner? The only scanners being made these days that combine negative and slide scanning capability are very, very expensive. >80(> -- John C. No ad, CD, cripple, demo, nag, pay, pirated, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares for me please. So that I don't see them, I filter out crossposts (messages sent to multiple newsgroups at a time) and from various trolls (like "al" AKA "Bill Bennett".) If you do the same, the group will be easier for you to read.
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2024-04-28 13:59 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <sf3t2jhkuo0e632b32aik9uakjnvoqaaq5@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #176182 |
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 28 Apr 2024 07:49:23 -0700, "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote: >micky wrote: >> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on 25 Apr 2024 14:30:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg >> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote: >> >>> >>>> This smacks of collusion between Microsoft and Canon in order to get >>>> people to purchase new scanners from Canon. >>> >>> Some comment about stupidity versus malice? >> >> Not even stupidity. It's awfully hard to test updates with every device >> out there to make sure it's still compatible. That's why Apple doesn't >> let every Tom, Dick and Harry write software, etc for their products, >> but it's also why there are far fewer programs to run. > >The scanner not only worked for me for a while in Windows 10, but many >other Canoscan 8400F users experienced the same thing for a few years >before a Microsoft updated rendered their scanners non-functional as well. > >Am I supposed to be happy about this kind of thing? My scanner still >works physically and if I were to set up one of my older computers >(something I don't have the room for in my house), I could easily attach >the scanner to it and prove that it works. > >Would YOU be happy about being forced to purchase a new scanner? The I never said you should be happy. I said it's hard to test every OS modification to see if it works with every piece of software written by 1000's, tens of 1000's, of software companies. >only scanners being made these days that combine negative and slide >scanning capability are very, very expensive. >80(>
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| From | John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2024-04-25 16:56 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <v3QN85AT0nKmFwEX@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #176123 |
In message <v0dcu6$2v9ts$1@dont-email.me>, John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com>
writes
<big snip>
>Has anybody else experienced this problem (programs being uninstalled
>without permission)
I've been using 10 for about five years and, to the best of my
knowledge, have never had that happen. Could your anti-virus have
quarantined the program as suspicious without your being aware of it? It
might be worth checking.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)
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| From | "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2024-04-28 07:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <v0lnmo$138s2$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #176133 |
John Hall wrote: > In message <v0dcu6$2v9ts$1@dont-email.me>, John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> > writes > <big snip> >> Has anybody else experienced this problem (programs being uninstalled >> without permission) > > I've been using 10 for about five years and, to the best of my > knowledge, have never had that happen. Could your anti-virus have > quarantined the program as suspicious without your being aware of it? It > might be worth checking. That was about the first thing I checked. Nope, the program just disappeared. -- John C. No ad, CD, cripple, demo, nag, pay, pirated, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares for me please. So that I don't see them, I filter out crossposts (messages sent to multiple newsgroups at a time) and from various trolls (like "al" AKA "Bill Bennett".) If you do the same, the group will be easier for you to read.
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2024-04-28 14:14 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <sbu87950576x.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #176183 |
"John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote: > John Hall wrote: > >> John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> WROTE: >> >>> Has anybody else experienced this problem (programs being uninstalled >>> without permission) >> >> I've been using 10 for about five years and, to the best of my >> knowledge, have never had that happen. Could your anti-virus have >> quarantined the program as suspicious without your being aware of it? It >> might be worth checking. > > That was about the first thing I checked. Nope, the program just > disappeared. With mention of anti-virus comes to mind possible other-actor malicious action whether deliberate or accidental. Have you enabled RDP to allow remote access to your computer? Is Remote Assistance disabled? See: https://winaero.com/disable-remote-assistance-windows-10/ I disabled that long ago. Don't need it, won't allow it, and disabled it should there be any vulnerabilities. Running any other remoting software (e.g., VNC, TeamViewer)? I have used both in the past, but never left them running (as a server to accept new outside connects). What you described I've not seen happen: suddenly installed programs disappearing. So, I'd make sure no one can remote into your computer to perform accidental or malicious actions. There is one condition where I've seen programs disappear: a corrupted Windows profile. There are online articles on how to mend, but I usually don't bother, create a new Windows profile, and start again. In fact, you can backup your Windows profile: run sysdm.cpl, Advanced tab, User Profiles, Copy To. However, I resort to using an image backup to restore the drives back to the exact state as before. The backups are scheduled. Relying on the user to perform a backup means unreliable backups. Do you have image backups to which you could restore your computer to when you saw the now missing programs? You could try using System Restore, but that does not revert the drive(s) back to their exact state as before. Restoring from image backups does. If you don't do backups then nothing on your computer is important. If you already did a restore from backup, could be the backup from which you restored was created before you installed the software or drivers.
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| From | "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2024-04-29 06:23 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <v0o706$1orbg$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #176196 |
VanguardLH wrote: > John C. wrote: >> John Hall wrote: >>> John C. wrote: >>>> >>>> Has anybody else experienced this problem (programs being uninstalled >>>> without permission) >>> >>> I've been using 10 for about five years and, to the best of my >>> knowledge, have never had that happen. Could your anti-virus have >>> quarantined the program as suspicious without your being aware of it? It >>> might be worth checking. >> >> That was about the first thing I checked. Nope, the program just >> disappeared. > > With mention of anti-virus comes to mind possible other-actor malicious > action whether deliberate or accidental. > > Have you enabled RDP to allow remote access to your computer? Is Remote > Assistance disabled? See: > > https://winaero.com/disable-remote-assistance-windows-10/ > > I disabled that long ago. Don't need it, won't allow it, and disabled > it should there be any vulnerabilities. Yes, along with file indexing, that's always the first thing I disable when moving to a new version of Windows or doing a fresh install of the version I'm using. > Running any other remoting software (e.g., VNC, TeamViewer)? I have > used both in the past, but never left them running (as a server to > accept new outside connects). No, I've never used anything like that. > What you described I've not seen happen: suddenly installed programs > disappearing. So, I'd make sure no one can remote into your computer to > perform accidental or malicious actions. > > There is one condition where I've seen programs disappear: a corrupted > Windows profile. There are online articles on how to mend, but I > usually don't bother, create a new Windows profile, and start again. In > fact, you can backup your Windows profile: run sysdm.cpl, Advanced tab, > User Profiles, Copy To. I always try to install programs for all users. > However, I resort to using an image backup to restore the drives back to > the exact state as before. The backups are scheduled. Relying on the > user to perform a backup means unreliable backups. Do you have image > backups to which you could restore your computer to when you saw the now > missing programs? You could try using System Restore, but that does not > revert the drive(s) back to their exact state as before. Restoring from > image backups does. If you don't do backups then nothing on your > computer is important. > > If you already did a restore from backup, could be the backup from which > you restored was created before you installed the software or drivers. There's been a lot of things going on in my life at this point. I guess I should consider the possibility that I may have seen the notice on the Wizmouse homepage: https://antibody-software.com/wizmouse that "Windows 10 already has this functionality built in so WizMouse is most useful if you're using earlier versions of Windows..." and not bothered to install it. My memory of installing it is probably when I did so on another computer I'm currently working on for somebody else. Since it's running W7, I did install the program on that system. If that was the case, then my apologies to everybody for the error. -- John C.
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2024-05-01 16:23 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <e4953j59a4hvs7oqodeu1hrlhsaoul7nc0@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #176183 |
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 28 Apr 2024 07:50:00 -0700, "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote: >John Hall wrote: >> In message <v0dcu6$2v9ts$1@dont-email.me>, John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> >> writes >> <big snip> >>> Has anybody else experienced this problem (programs being uninstalled >>> without permission) >> >> I've been using 10 for about five years and, to the best of my >> knowledge, have never had that happen. Could your anti-virus have >> quarantined the program as suspicious without your being aware of it? It >> might be worth checking. > >That was about the first thing I checked. Nope, the program just >disappeared. Do you have more than one malware program? Somehow I ended up with two. Despite the warnings, they worked fine together for years.
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| From | VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> |
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| Date | 2024-04-25 12:44 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <ck92i8r9pn6t$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> |
| In reply to | #176123 |
John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I installed WizMouse (https://antibody-software.com/wizmouse) and
> configured it to work as it usually does. The program "allows you to
> scroll the window under the mouse with your mouse wheel even if the
> that window doesn't have input focus. Windows 10 already has this
> functionality built in so WizMouse is most useful if you're using
> earlier versions of Windows (Windows 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8).
>
> Yesterday, I noticed that the program completely disappeared. In other
> words, it was uninstalled without me doing anything.
Did you check the install folder to see if it still existed, and, if so,
if the program's files are still there?
> However, perhaps the most frustrating thing is that I was able to
> install the drivers for my beloved Canon Canoscan 8400F scanner and
> it was working perfectly. In fact, it was working better than it ever
> has before. The drivers were for Windows 7, but they installed in
> Windows 10 without any issues and the scanner has been working for a
> couple of weeks now.
>
> Then this morning, when I attempted to use the scanner, the twain
> driver was no longer available in Adobe Photoshop Elements or any
> other graphics editing program I have installed, all of which used to
> list the twain driver. The scanner is still listed in the Device
> Manager and it says "This device is working properly."
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> Events
> Timestamp Description
> 2024-03-25 8:46:23 PM Device configured (null)
> evice USB\VID_04A9&PID_221E\5&2c2ab93d&0&5 was configured.
> Driver Name: null
> Class Guid: {00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}
> Driver Date:
> Driver Version:
> Driver Provider:
> Driver Section:
> Driver Rank: 0x0
> Matching Device Id:
> Outranked Drivers:
> Device Updated: false
> Parent Device: USB\ROOT_HUB20\4&33ca6639&0
>
> 2024-04-10 7:48:47 AM Device deleted
> Device USB\VID_04A9&PID_221E\5&2C2AB93D&0&5 was deleted.
> Class Guid: {00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}
>
> 2024-04-10 7:55:03 AM Device install requested
> Device USB\VID_04A9&PID_221E\5&2c2ab93d&0&5 requires further installation.
>
> 2024-04-10 7:55:04 AM Driver sen/ice added (usbscan)
> Driver Management has concluded the process to add Service usbscan for
> Device Instance ID USB\VID_04A9&PID_221E\5&2C2AB93D&0&5 with the
> following status: 0.
> __________________________________________________________________________
Since the scanner is still listed in Device Manager, that device was NOT
uninstalled. Didn't the scanner come bundled with some software either
with the scanner, or you were given a URL of where to download it?
Not many drivers are dynamic (can be loaded after Windows has loaded,
and loaded by the user). Many require they load while Windows is
loading. That means you have to reboot when you install a new driver.
Did you yet restart Windows?
Also, do NOT let Microsoft update drivers. It does an unreliable job.
A device in a family line all under the same model number may have
different versions, and that versioning could be due to changes in
hardware, and you need to get the driver that matches on the hardware.
The same model number doesn't mean the same hardware. However,
Microsoft can only detect the product and model, not when version
numbering reflects a major change in the hardware. So, the WU client
picks a driver for a model, but for the wrong version of the hardware.
*YOU* should be the only one doing driver updates.
Just because there is a new driver version does not mean you want it or
need it. Newer is NOT always better. For example, many video drivers
get updates to be compatible with newer games (that you may not have,
and may never have), but you suffer loss of compatibility with older
games (that you do have). Compatibility code is added to support the
newer games, but then old compatibility code with old games is lost.
When reviewing a driver update, you need to decide if you need it. Does
it address a security issue? Does it fix an issue you are actually
experiencing with the current driver? Will it work with your new
software or hardware AND your old software and hardware? Read the
release notes for all versions to the newest one, and all those after
the version you have, to determine if there really is a need for the new
driver version.
Disable hardware (driver) updates in Windows, and relegate that
responsibility to yourself. Rather than describe the registry hack to
disable driver updating, I use WinAero Tweaker. Most tweaks are have
links to description pages on how they work, like:
https://winaero.com/how-to-turn-off-driver-updates-in-windows-update-in-windows-10/
Search on "update", and use it to disable hardware updates. You can
even use it to disable Windows updates; however, some features in
Windows won't work if WU is disabled, like you won't be able to review
the update history, or use the Windows Store app to find apps that way
(but you can still use their Store web site). I permanently disable
hardware updates. I make the choice if the current driver is broken,
has flaws, or if a new version actually gives me anything. If no bang
for the buck, I pass on the new driver version. I disable WU for a
month, or two, maybe longer, until *I* am ready and prepared, like
saving an image backup (providing a means to escape backwards rather
than burn the bridge), before allowing those updates.
Another problem with hardware or WU updates is the time to reflect new
driver versions in the WU catalog (an MS site). Takes times for a
vendor to get their new version validated and appear in the catalog. In
that time, they may find (or users report to them) there are problems
with a new version, so the vendor has to go through the complete
submission process again. In the meantime, the catalog is pushing out
the bad version. There is no yanking of a bad version to immediate
retrograde to a prior version (that process takes time, too). In the
meantime, users are getting afflicting with the bad version. Could be a
couple months before the vendor gets a new -- and fixed new -- version
put into the catalog, and everyone that got stuck with the bad version
can finally get the new and fixed version.
I never allow hardware updates. I make those choices. I disable
Windows updates until I hear of some that are really important, but even
then I decide if and when to apply the update (just because there is a
security update means you might be vulnerable, not that you will be
hit). Besides scheduled backups, I save an image backup before every
update whether hardware or software, and the same before I install any
software (far more accurate to restore from an image backup to get back
the exact state of my drive rather than rely on uninstallers, and more
accurate than using System Restore). Pause all updates, you decide when
to apply any, and prepare by saving an image backup and allocate the
time (including the outage of your computer during the backup and any
needed reboots).
Also, just because an update doesn't declare that a reboot is not needed
(you're not told a reboot is required) doesn't mean you shouldn't
reboot. File versions can get out of sync: old files may still be left
around, especially if they were in use, with a mix of new files, and
failures can occur when trying to use the old files with new ones. Do a
reboot after an update to ensure the file set is in sync.
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| From | "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2024-04-28 07:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <v0lo2q$138s2$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #176135 |
VanguardLH wrote:
> John C. <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I installed WizMouse (https://antibody-software.com/wizmouse) and
>> configured it to work as it usually does. The program "allows you to
>> scroll the window under the mouse with your mouse wheel even if the
>> that window doesn't have input focus. Windows 10 already has this
>> functionality built in so WizMouse is most useful if you're using
>> earlier versions of Windows (Windows 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8).
>>
>> Yesterday, I noticed that the program completely disappeared. In other
>> words, it was uninstalled without me doing anything.
>
> Did you check the install folder to see if it still existed, and, if so,
> if the program's files are still there?
Yes, and it wasn't.
>> However, perhaps the most frustrating thing is that I was able to
>> install the drivers for my beloved Canon Canoscan 8400F scanner and
>> it was working perfectly. In fact, it was working better than it ever
>> has before. The drivers were for Windows 7, but they installed in
>> Windows 10 without any issues and the scanner has been working for a
>> couple of weeks now.
>>
>> Then this morning, when I attempted to use the scanner, the twain
>> driver was no longer available in Adobe Photoshop Elements or any
>> other graphics editing program I have installed, all of which used to
>> list the twain driver. The scanner is still listed in the Device
>> Manager and it says "This device is working properly."
>>
>> __________________________________________________________________________
>> Events
>> Timestamp Description
>> 2024-03-25 8:46:23 PM Device configured (null)
>> evice USB\VID_04A9&PID_221E\5&2c2ab93d&0&5 was configured.
>> Driver Name: null
>> Class Guid: {00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}
>> Driver Date:
>> Driver Version:
>> Driver Provider:
>> Driver Section:
>> Driver Rank: 0x0
>> Matching Device Id:
>> Outranked Drivers:
>> Device Updated: false
>> Parent Device: USB\ROOT_HUB20\4&33ca6639&0
>>
>> 2024-04-10 7:48:47 AM Device deleted
>> Device USB\VID_04A9&PID_221E\5&2C2AB93D&0&5 was deleted.
>> Class Guid: {00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000}
>>
>> 2024-04-10 7:55:03 AM Device install requested
>> Device USB\VID_04A9&PID_221E\5&2c2ab93d&0&5 requires further installation.
>>
>> 2024-04-10 7:55:04 AM Driver sen/ice added (usbscan)
>> Driver Management has concluded the process to add Service usbscan for
>> Device Instance ID USB\VID_04A9&PID_221E\5&2C2AB93D&0&5 with the
>> following status: 0.
>> __________________________________________________________________________
>
> Since the scanner is still listed in Device Manager, that device was NOT
> uninstalled. Didn't the scanner come bundled with some software either
> with the scanner, or you were given a URL of where to download it?
Yes, it was installed. I was able to use the scanner for a couple of
weeks before the twain driver was no longer available in any of my image
editing programs.
> Not many drivers are dynamic (can be loaded after Windows has loaded,
> and loaded by the user). Many require they load while Windows is
> loading. That means you have to reboot when you install a new driver.
> Did you yet restart Windows?
Yes, and I tried this but it didn't change anything.
> Also, do NOT let Microsoft update drivers. It does an unreliable job.
Totally agree. And I've since disabled driver updates.
> A device in a family line all under the same model number may have
> different versions, and that versioning could be due to changes in
> hardware, and you need to get the driver that matches on the hardware.
> The same model number doesn't mean the same hardware. However,
> Microsoft can only detect the product and model, not when version
> numbering reflects a major change in the hardware. So, the WU client
> picks a driver for a model, but for the wrong version of the hardware.
> *YOU* should be the only one doing driver updates.
Agreed, but the driver is still installed and if the twain driver can be
accessed, it functions. I determined this by installing this freeware
program:
https://www.naps2.com/
My scanner problem is now solved.
I'll keep your reply archived in case the problem arises again. Thanks
for your effort, VanguardLH. I really appreciate your help.
--
John C. No ad, CD, cripple, demo, nag, pay, pirated, share, spy,
time-limited, trial or web wares for me please.
So that I don't see them, I filter out crossposts (messages sent to
multiple newsgroups at a time) and from various trolls (like "al" AKA
"Bill Bennett".)
If you do the same, the group will be easier for you to read.
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| From | micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> |
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| Date | 2024-04-26 02:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <7chm2j5i5ha4vdmevj5f8s8hj39k6dprrf@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #176123 |
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Thu, 25 Apr 2024 03:57:07 -0700, "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >I installed WizMouse (https://antibody-software.com/wizmouse) and >configured it to work as it usually does. The program "allows you to >scroll the window under the mouse with your mouse wheel even if the that >window doesn't have input focus. >Windows 10 already has this functionality built in so WizMouse is most >useful if you're using earlier versions of Windows (Windows 2000, XP, >Vista, 7, 8)." > >Yesterday, I noticed that the program completely disappeared. In other >words, it was uninstalled without me doing anything. Why not just install it again? I see two possibilities. It only got uninstalled because something related got installed on the 2nd Tuesday update, OR a check is made every 2nd Tuesday and it will get uninstalled in a month , every month. I think it's the first and you won't have more problems for years, but I'm guessing. Others here might know how that actually works.
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| From | "John C." <r9jmg0@yahoo.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2024-04-28 07:58 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <v0lo5t$138s2$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #176148 |
micky wrote: > John C. wrote: >> >> I installed WizMouse (https://antibody-software.com/wizmouse) and >> configured it to work as it usually does. The program "allows you to >> scroll the window under the mouse with your mouse wheel even if the that >> window doesn't have input focus. >> Windows 10 already has this functionality built in so WizMouse is most >> useful if you're using earlier versions of Windows (Windows 2000, XP, >> Vista, 7, 8)." >> >> Yesterday, I noticed that the program completely disappeared. In other >> words, it was uninstalled without me doing anything. > > Why not just install it again? I see two possibilities. It only got > uninstalled because something related got installed on the 2nd Tuesday > update, OR a check is made every 2nd Tuesday and it will get uninstalled > in a month , every month. I think it's the first and you won't have > more problems for years, but I'm guessing. Others here might know how > that actually works. Thanks, but I did that already. Seems to be working. I read online that other people who were experiencing the same problem as me were able to get programs to stay installed by reinstalling them two or three times. -- John C. No ad, CD, cripple, demo, nag, pay, pirated, share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares for me please. So that I don't see them, I filter out crossposts (messages sent to multiple newsgroups at a time) and from various trolls (like "al" AKA "Bill Bennett".) If you do the same, the group will be easier for you to read.
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| From | Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> |
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| Date | 2024-04-29 15:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <l99o63FhglvU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #176123 |
On 25/04/2024 11:57, John C. wrote: > I have been attempting to get used to Windows 10, but now it had > developed a problem that, if it ever happens again, will force me to > either go back to Windows 7 *OR* finally make the move to Linux. > > What is happening is that I'm seeing programs which I was able to use > without issue in Windows 7 and which I have installed in Windows 10 > suddenly, and completely, disappear. Old programs are sometimes falsely recognized as malware by Defender and deleted or quarantined. Go to setings / Windows security and see if anything shows under Virus and Threat protection / protection history. If that is what happened you can go to Virus and Threat protection / Manage settings / Add or remove exclusions and add the effected file or directory as excluded from virus / malware scans. -- Brian Gregory (in England).
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