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| Started by | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| First post | 2025-07-27 14:27 +0100 |
| Last post | 2025-08-07 14:43 +0200 |
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Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-27 14:27 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-07-27 10:08 -0400
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-27 16:22 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> - 2025-07-27 09:18 -0700
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-07-27 13:22 -0400
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-27 20:12 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 04:47 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2025-09-18 18:06 -0700
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-09-19 06:42 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2025-07-27 19:26 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-07-27 16:22 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-27 20:14 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 04:22 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-28 14:31 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-07-28 14:28 +0000
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 16:58 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:40 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-07-30 04:28 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-30 22:03 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:30 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-07-28 15:40 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 17:09 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-07-28 20:50 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-29 01:04 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-07-29 13:43 +0000
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 19:13 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-29 23:08 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-07-31 09:54 +0000
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-07-28 11:04 -0500
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 17:13 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2025-07-27 19:22 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-27 20:52 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-07-27 15:16 -0500
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 04:34 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-07-27 23:05 -0500
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2025-07-28 10:04 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 12:02 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2025-07-28 16:59 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 17:30 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-28 14:34 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 17:21 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:45 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-29 23:12 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-30 02:47 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> - 2025-07-30 08:50 -0700
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-30 22:07 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-07-28 06:25 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-28 14:37 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Bennett Price <bjprice@cal.berkeley.edu> - 2025-07-28 12:48 -0700
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-29 01:10 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:48 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-29 23:23 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-30 02:58 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-30 22:23 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 15:30 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-31 16:11 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 22:39 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-01 21:03 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 03:42 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-02 08:30 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2025-08-02 10:31 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-02 19:32 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 14:33 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-02 16:55 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-08-02 18:06 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-02 19:16 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 22:59 +0200
Kindle, chatgpt "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-03 02:24 +0100
Re: Kindle, chatgpt "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-03 22:08 +0200
Re: Kindle, chatgpt "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-04 03:09 +0100
Re: Kindle, chatgpt "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-04 12:46 +0200
Re: Kindle, chatgpt "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-04 12:03 +0100
Re: Kindle, chatgpt "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-04 13:43 +0200
Re: Kindle, chatgpt Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-04 12:56 +0000
Re: Kindle, chatgpt Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-04 14:35 -0400
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-08-02 18:21 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-04 13:05 +0000
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-06 23:20 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-07 14:43 +0200
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-07-28 17:21 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106882b$265c4$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186293 |
On 2025/7/28 13:34:26, Carlos E.R. wrote: [] > That's why you must learn to create a backup. For this DeDRM is > necessary. Not to pirate the books (I never do that), but to make > backups of your property. > That - and, the option of accessing without having to use either Kindle or calibre - is what I'm about. I haven't succeeded so far. (The latest wrinkle is that someone suggested using an earlier version of Kindle-for-PC; I obtained that, and re-downloaded the book. I actually like the user interface of that Kindle-for-PC better. But now, calibre - still with those two plugins installed - won't even _open_ the file. [Can you have two versions of Kindle-for-PC installed? I'd foolishly deleted - with prejudice, i. e. can't undelete - the book from calibre, before trying to load the "new" version of the book into calibre. So I need to download it _again_ with newer Kindle-for-PC, assuming I'm going to use calibre to de-DRM it.]) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf At the age of 7, Julia Elizabeth Wells could sing notes only dogs could hear.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 14:45 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <mbsmllxhjc.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #186311 |
On 2025-07-28 18:21, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/7/28 13:34:26, Carlos E.R. wrote: > [] > >> That's why you must learn to create a backup. For this DeDRM is >> necessary. Not to pirate the books (I never do that), but to make >> backups of your property. >> > > That - and, the option of accessing without having to use either Kindle > or calibre - is what I'm about. I haven't succeeded so far. (The latest > wrinkle is that someone suggested using an earlier version of > Kindle-for-PC; I obtained that, and re-downloaded the book. I actually > like the user interface of that Kindle-for-PC better. But now, calibre - > still with those two plugins installed - won't even _open_ the file. > [Can you have two versions of Kindle-for-PC installed? I'd foolishly > deleted - with prejudice, i. e. can't undelete - the book from calibre, > before trying to load the "new" version of the book into calibre. So I > need to download it _again_ with newer Kindle-for-PC, assuming I'm going > to use calibre to de-DRM it.]) Sorry, I am not familiar with the Kindle. I have a Kobo myself. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 23:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106bh0h$2o3h6$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186334 |
On 2025/7/29 13:45:10, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-07-28 18:21, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> On 2025/7/28 13:34:26, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> [] >> >>> That's why you must learn to create a backup. For this DeDRM is >>> necessary. Not to pirate the books (I never do that), but to make >>> backups of your property. >>> >> >> That - and, the option of accessing without having to use either Kindle >> or calibre - is what I'm about. I haven't succeeded so far. (The latest >> wrinkle is that someone suggested using an earlier version of >> Kindle-for-PC; I obtained that, and re-downloaded the book. I actually >> like the user interface of that Kindle-for-PC better. But now, calibre - >> still with those two plugins installed - won't even _open_ the file. >> [Can you have two versions of Kindle-for-PC installed? I'd foolishly >> deleted - with prejudice, i. e. can't undelete - the book from calibre, >> before trying to load the "new" version of the book into calibre. So I >> need to download it _again_ with newer Kindle-for-PC, assuming I'm going >> to use calibre to de-DRM it.]) > > Sorry, I am not familiar with the Kindle. I have a Kobo myself. > I don't have any Kindle _device_; I have been using the Kindle-for-PC "app", as they call it, to read the Kindle book on the PC. (And regretting, really, the whole exercise.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Of course some of it [television] is bad. But some of everything is bad - books, music, family ... - Melvyn Bragg, RT 2017/7/1-7
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 02:47 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <um6ollxqmp.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #186354 |
On 2025-07-30 00:12, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/7/29 13:45:10, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-07-28 18:21, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>> On 2025/7/28 13:34:26, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> [] >>> >>>> That's why you must learn to create a backup. For this DeDRM is >>>> necessary. Not to pirate the books (I never do that), but to make >>>> backups of your property. >>>> >>> >>> That - and, the option of accessing without having to use either Kindle >>> or calibre - is what I'm about. I haven't succeeded so far. (The latest >>> wrinkle is that someone suggested using an earlier version of >>> Kindle-for-PC; I obtained that, and re-downloaded the book. I actually >>> like the user interface of that Kindle-for-PC better. But now, calibre - >>> still with those two plugins installed - won't even _open_ the file. >>> [Can you have two versions of Kindle-for-PC installed? I'd foolishly >>> deleted - with prejudice, i. e. can't undelete - the book from calibre, >>> before trying to load the "new" version of the book into calibre. So I >>> need to download it _again_ with newer Kindle-for-PC, assuming I'm going >>> to use calibre to de-DRM it.]) >> >> Sorry, I am not familiar with the Kindle. I have a Kobo myself. >> > I don't have any Kindle _device_; I have been using the Kindle-for-PC > "app", as they call it, to read the Kindle book on the PC. (And > regretting, really, the whole exercise.) Well, I mean the kindle universe :-) I know you don't have the device itself. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 08:50 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3mfk8kpqbuv8rgspej4sduu10iprd9kotb@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #186311 |
On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 17:21:31 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: > someone suggested using an earlier version of Kindle-for-PC I think you will find that the older version will eventually auto-update. That might be stoppable, but I don't know how to do that. -- croy
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 22:07 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106e1i5$2o3h6$12@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186375 |
On 2025/7/30 16:50:32, croy wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jul 2025 17:21:31 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> > wrote: > >> someone suggested using an earlier version of Kindle-for-PC > > I think you will find that the older version will eventually auto-update. > That might be stoppable, but I don't know how to do that. > I think when I ran it - either altogether, or when I tried to download with it, I can't remember - it told me there was a newwer version available, did I want to upgrade. But it did let me decline. (The "old" version I have was installed with Kindle_for_PC_v2.4.70904.exe [which took a bit of finding], FWIW.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Dook, that was great but I think the line needs awe. Can you do it again, giving it just a little awe?" "Sure, George," said Wayne and looking up at the cross said: "Aw, truly this man is the son of God." (recounted in Radio Times, 30 March-5 April 2013.)
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| From | Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> |
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| Date | 2025-07-28 06:25 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <qlud8ktel99hg4e81dotn4th37v4diop44@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #186261 |
On Sun, 27 Jul 2025 14:27:53 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >However, I recently read about a book that is useful for genealogy (if >anyone's interested, it's The Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in >Britain and Ireland - see >https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/latejul25news.htm#Oxford for >details), so I took the plunge. (The above link told me I don't have to >have a Kindle device, I can "download the Kindle app" for the computer.) I have a "Kindle app" of sorts on my Win XP computer. It's called "Mobipocket Reader" and means I can download Kindle-format .mobi files (.mobi used to be Kindle's native format) and read them on my computer, but most of the files I've read on it have not downloaded from Amazon. I've also heard that Kindle no uses mostly .epub files, and I've never managed to find a decent epub reader that works on my computer. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-28 14:37 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <7i7kllx8hq.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #186285 |
On 2025-07-28 06:25, Steve Hayes wrote: > I've also heard that Kindle no uses mostly .epub files, and I've never > managed to find a decent epub reader that works on my computer. Did you try Calibre? -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Bennett Price <bjprice@cal.berkeley.edu> |
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| Date | 2025-07-28 12:48 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <Zr6cnTyWHcG4SRr1nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #186261 |
On 7/27/2025 6:27 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > So far, I've resisted going Kindle, as I do not understand, am > suspicious, of how it works - remote control of what I have, it seems. > > However, I recently read about a book that is useful for genealogy (if > anyone's interested, it's The Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in > Britain and Ireland - see > https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/latejul25news.htm#Oxford for > details), so I took the plunge. (The above link told me I don't have to > have a Kindle device, I can "download the Kindle app" for the computer.) > > First, I tried to download it from the link provided, but was told I > don't have any devices registered, or some such wording - but it did > include a link to get the "app". So I did, and then was able to get the > book. > > Among other things, I ended up with a directory > D:\document.etc\My Kindle Content (which I had accepted during the > process). [D:\document.etc is my "documents" folder.] Curiously, doing a > "dir /x m*.*" from document.etc shows that MKC _doesn't_ have a short > filename. > > Within MKC, there appear to be three items: a 112 KB file called > book_asset.db, a directory called NoteDocuments which appears to be > empty, and a subfolder called B01N41TEO3_EBOK. None of these seem to > have short names. > > I say _appear_, because a size indicator I like to use - scanner, from > Steffen Gerlach (http://www.steffengerlach.de/freeware/), when pointed > at MKD, doesn't see the B* subdirectory. > > Anyway, within B01N41TEO3_EBOK are about 21 files - a .voucher file of > size 1,165, 18 .res files and a .md file all of about 1-3 MB, and a .azw > file of 45.4 MB, totalling 97.4 MB (all sizes according to scanner). > > Double-clicking on the .azw file causes "J.'s Kindle for PC" to open, > displaying the book. > > Because of my - OK, paranoia - about Kindle, I verified that this > (double-clicking on the file) worked with my internet connection > disconnected: in other words, both the book and the software to access > it are definitely on my PC. > > I'd be interested in comments - in particular, > (a) is the access limited to just this PC? > (b) can Amazon remotely delete it? (This PC is online most of the time.) > > Plus are the files and folders as they appear, or is what I see in File > Explorer a fiction? (On my Windows 7 32 bit machine, I used to use Xtree > Gold to see what was really going on, but that won't work under 10-64 [I > think it's the 64 that stops it rather than the 10].) And I didn't know > things could exist without a short (8.3) name, but "dir /?" - under /X - > implies they can. In the United States many public libraries will lend Ebooks in Kindle book (and/or EPub) form, typically for 2 to 3 weeks at a time and will renew them if no one else is waiting for them. Check with your local public library to see whether this is an option for you. Additionally, other services will lend titles, variously with or without a link to a local public library: Project Gutenberg https://www.gutenberg.org/ Hoopla https://www.hoopladigital.com/ Overdrive https://www.overdrive.com/ Libby https://libbyapp.com/interview/welcome#doYouHaveACard As for the Orwell 1984 recall, I believe Amazon refunded the purchase price to those who had the title deleted.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 01:10 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <10693i7$3it0n$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186318 |
On 2025/7/28 20:48:54, Bennett Price wrote: [] > In the United States many public libraries will lend Ebooks in Kindle > book (and/or EPub) form, typically for 2 to 3 weeks at a time and will > renew them if no one else is waiting for them. Check with your local I don't want to _borrow_ this book, I want it - and the software to access it - on my machine, even when not online. It seems I _do_ have that - I was able to open it with the internet (wifi) disabled - though I still have to use the clunky software (Kindle or calibre) to access it. > public library to see whether this is an option for you. Additionally, > other services will lend titles, variously with or without a link to a > local public library: [] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Alcohol is way ahead of cocaine as the world's deadliest drug, hastening around three million people per year into their graves (cocaine and heroin and crystal meth account for around half a million annually). Revd Richard Coles, RT 2021/7/3-9
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 14:48 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <kismllxhjc.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #186325 |
On 2025-07-29 02:10, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/7/28 20:48:54, Bennett Price wrote: > > [] > >> In the United States many public libraries will lend Ebooks in Kindle >> book (and/or EPub) form, typically for 2 to 3 weeks at a time and will >> renew them if no one else is waiting for them. Check with your local > > I don't want to _borrow_ this book, I want it - and the software to > access it - on my machine, even when not online. It seems I _do_ have > that - I was able to open it with the internet (wifi) disabled - though > I still have to use the clunky software (Kindle or calibre) to access it. If Calibre is able to access (and read) the purchased book, the DeDRM thing must be working. Otherwise you'd see gibberish. What you need now is how to export or backup the book. I don't know how it is done with the Kindle. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-07-29 23:23 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106bhkp$2o3h6$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186335 |
On 2025/7/29 13:48:52, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-07-29 02:10, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> On 2025/7/28 20:48:54, Bennett Price wrote: >> >> [] >> >>> In the United States many public libraries will lend Ebooks in Kindle >>> book (and/or EPub) form, typically for 2 to 3 weeks at a time and will >>> renew them if no one else is waiting for them. Check with your local >> >> I don't want to _borrow_ this book, I want it - and the software to >> access it - on my machine, even when not online. It seems I _do_ have >> that - I was able to open it with the internet (wifi) disabled - though >> I still have to use the clunky software (Kindle or calibre) to access it. > > If Calibre is able to access (and read) the purchased book, the DeDRM > thing must be working. Otherwise you'd see gibberish. What you need now > is how to export or backup the book. I don't know how it is done with > the Kindle. > > Calibre was indeed able to access the book (downloaded when I had the current version of Kindle-for-PC; it seems unable to even access the version downloaded with an _old_ version of Kindle-for-PC). But just because calibre could _access_ it, didn't mean it could _convert_ (is that what you mean by "export or backup"?) it; when I tried - either to EPUB or PDF - it said something about DRM. So there seem to be (at least) two levels of de-DRM-ing required - firstly to let Calibre open it, and secondly to let calibre convert it. I'm not even sure the De-DRM plugin _did_ let calibre _access_ it: I loaded the two plugins in the order De-DRM first, then KFX; when I just had De-DRM installed, calibre couldn't open the book. (Is it possible to have two versions of Kindle-for-PC installed, or does installing either [old or current] disable the other? It doesn't seem to "install" like ordinary software - no new entry appeared in my Start menu tree, the only way to open it seems to be to double-click on the downloaded file. [Actually when it _was_ open after doing that, I did a "pin to taskbar".]) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Of course some of it [television] is bad. But some of everything is bad - books, music, family ... - Melvyn Bragg, RT 2017/7/1-7
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 02:58 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <bb7ollxb2r.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #186355 |
On 2025-07-30 00:23, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/7/29 13:48:52, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-07-29 02:10, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>> On 2025/7/28 20:48:54, Bennett Price wrote: >>> >>> [] >>> >>>> In the United States many public libraries will lend Ebooks in Kindle >>>> book (and/or EPub) form, typically for 2 to 3 weeks at a time and will >>>> renew them if no one else is waiting for them. Check with your local >>> >>> I don't want to _borrow_ this book, I want it - and the software to >>> access it - on my machine, even when not online. It seems I _do_ have >>> that - I was able to open it with the internet (wifi) disabled - though >>> I still have to use the clunky software (Kindle or calibre) to access it. >> >> If Calibre is able to access (and read) the purchased book, the DeDRM >> thing must be working. Otherwise you'd see gibberish. What you need now >> is how to export or backup the book. I don't know how it is done with >> the Kindle. >> >> > Calibre was indeed able to access the book (downloaded when I had the > current version of Kindle-for-PC; it seems unable to even access the > version downloaded with an _old_ version of Kindle-for-PC). But just > because calibre could _access_ it, didn't mean it could _convert_ (is > that what you mean by "export or backup"?) it; when I tried - either to > EPUB or PDF - it said something about DRM. So there seem to be (at > least) two levels of de-DRM-ing required - firstly to let Calibre open > it, and secondly to let calibre convert it. I'm not even sure the De-DRM > plugin _did_ let calibre _access_ it: I loaded the two plugins in the > order De-DRM first, then KFX; when I just had De-DRM installed, calibre > couldn't open the book. If you can read the book in Calibre, it has already been decoded. I would guess that the decoded file is in the Calibre library directory. At least, it is so with epubs. > > (Is it possible to have two versions of Kindle-for-PC installed, or does > installing either [old or current] disable the other? It doesn't seem to > "install" like ordinary software - no new entry appeared in my Start > menu tree, the only way to open it seems to be to double-click on the > downloaded file. [Actually when it _was_ open after doing that, I did a > "pin to taskbar".]) -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-07-30 22:23 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106e2g9$2o3h5$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186360 |
On 2025/7/30 1:58:51, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-07-30 00:23, J. P. Gilliver wrote: [] >> Calibre was indeed able to access the book (downloaded when I had the >> current version of Kindle-for-PC; it seems unable to even access the >> version downloaded with an _old_ version of Kindle-for-PC). But just >> because calibre could _access_ it, didn't mean it could _convert_ (is >> that what you mean by "export or backup"?) it; when I tried - either to >> EPUB or PDF - it said something about DRM. So there seem to be (at >> least) two levels of de-DRM-ing required - firstly to let Calibre open >> it, and secondly to let calibre convert it. I'm not even sure the De-DRM >> plugin _did_ let calibre _access_ it: I loaded the two plugins in the >> order De-DRM first, then KFX; when I just had De-DRM installed, calibre >> couldn't open the book. > > If you can read the book in Calibre, it has already been decoded. _Decoded_, maybe; de-DRMd, I think not.> > I would guess that the decoded file is in the Calibre library directory. > > At least, it is so with epubs. > Yes, the calibre library (at least, as things appeared in File Manager) seemed to be nearly 100M bigger, when I was in the position of calibre being able to "see" the book. (The Kindle library has a 45.4 MB .azw file and lots of other files mostly 1-3 MB, totalling 97.4 MB.) but though it could see (open) it, calibre couldn't _convert_ it, either to EPUB or PDF.>> >> (Is it possible to have two versions of Kindle-for-PC installed, or does >> installing either [old or current] disable the other? It doesn't seem to >> "install" like ordinary software - no new entry appeared in my Start >> menu tree, the only way to open it seems to be to double-click on the >> downloaded file. [Actually when it _was_ open after doing that, I did a >> "pin to taskbar".]) > > -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "Dook, that was great but I think the line needs awe. Can you do it again, giving it just a little awe?" "Sure, George," said Wayne and looking up at the cross said: "Aw, truly this man is the son of God." (recounted in Radio Times, 30 March-5 April 2013.)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 15:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <9o7sllx7e.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #186386 |
On 2025-07-30 23:23, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/7/30 1:58:51, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-07-30 00:23, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > > [] > >>> Calibre was indeed able to access the book (downloaded when I had the >>> current version of Kindle-for-PC; it seems unable to even access the >>> version downloaded with an _old_ version of Kindle-for-PC). But just >>> because calibre could _access_ it, didn't mean it could _convert_ (is >>> that what you mean by "export or backup"?) it; when I tried - either to >>> EPUB or PDF - it said something about DRM. So there seem to be (at >>> least) two levels of de-DRM-ing required - firstly to let Calibre open >>> it, and secondly to let calibre convert it. I'm not even sure the De-DRM >>> plugin _did_ let calibre _access_ it: I loaded the two plugins in the >>> order De-DRM first, then KFX; when I just had De-DRM installed, calibre >>> couldn't open the book. >> >> If you can read the book in Calibre, it has already been decoded. > > _Decoded_, maybe; de-DRMd, I think not.> By decoded, I mean dedrmed. It is impossible for calibre to read a DRM protected ebook. >> I would guess that the decoded file is in the Calibre library directory. >> >> At least, it is so with epubs. >> > Yes, the calibre library (at least, as things appeared in File Manager) > seemed to be nearly 100M bigger, when I was in the position of calibre > being able to "see" the book. (The Kindle library has a 45.4 MB .azw > file and lots of other files mostly 1-3 MB, totalling 97.4 MB.) but > though it could see (open) it, calibre couldn't _convert_ it, either to > EPUB or PDF.>> >>> (Is it possible to have two versions of Kindle-for-PC installed, or does >>> installing either [old or current] disable the other? It doesn't seem to >>> "install" like ordinary software - no new entry appeared in my Start >>> menu tree, the only way to open it seems to be to double-click on the >>> downloaded file. [Actually when it _was_ open after doing that, I did a >>> "pin to taskbar".]) >> >> -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 16:11 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106g12k$3gvtp$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186399 |
On 2025/7/31 14:30:17, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-07-30 23:23, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> On 2025/7/30 1:58:51, Carlos E.R. wrote: [] >>> If you can read the book in Calibre, it has already been decoded. >> >> _Decoded_, maybe; de-DRMd, I think not.> > > By decoded, I mean dedrmed. It is impossible for calibre to read a DRM > protected ebook. > Well when I did have a version of the book that I could open in calibre, calibre failed when I tried to create either an EPUB or a .pdf version of it: I could look at the book, in cabibre, but when I tried to _convert_ it, in calibre, I got a message (same for both types of conversion attempt) that it couldn't; I don't remember the exact message, but I think it involved "protected" and "DRM". [] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf As the man said when confronted by a large dinner salad, "This isn't food. This is what food eats."
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-07-31 22:39 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <ss0tllx5sr.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #186402 |
On 2025-07-31 17:11, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/7/31 14:30:17, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-07-30 23:23, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>> On 2025/7/30 1:58:51, Carlos E.R. wrote: > > [] > >>>> If you can read the book in Calibre, it has already been decoded. >>> >>> _Decoded_, maybe; de-DRMd, I think not.> >> >> By decoded, I mean dedrmed. It is impossible for calibre to read a DRM >> protected ebook. >> > Well when I did have a version of the book that I could open in calibre, > calibre failed when I tried to create either an EPUB or a .pdf version > of it: I could look at the book, in cabibre, but when I tried to > _convert_ it, in calibre, I got a message (same for both types of > conversion attempt) that it couldn't; I don't remember the exact > message, but I think it involved "protected" and "DRM". > > [] > Yes, I don't understand that. I'm not familiar with the Kindle ecosystem, so I'm sorry that I can not help. But I do know that Calibre alone would display giberish when reading a book with DRM. It needs a DeDRM plugin in order to show you the readable text. Maybe the plugin only allows reading, not exporting? -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-08-01 21:03 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106j6ht$6o5a$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186412 |
On 2025/7/31 21:39:24, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-07-31 17:11, J. P. Gilliver wrote: [] >> Well when I did have a version of the book that I could open in calibre, >> calibre failed when I tried to create either an EPUB or a .pdf version >> of it: I could look at the book, in cabibre, but when I tried to >> _convert_ it, in calibre, I got a message (same for both types of >> conversion attempt) that it couldn't; I don't remember the exact >> message, but I think it involved "protected" and "DRM". >> >> [] >> > > Yes, I don't understand that. I'm not familiar with the Kindle Ah, I thought you were! Sorry about that. > ecosystem, so I'm sorry that I can not help. But I do know that Calibre > alone would display giberish when reading a book with DRM. It needs a > DeDRM plugin in order to show you the readable text. In this case, I think it also needed the other plugin (a three-letter name - something like KRX?) before it would display other than gibberish.> > Maybe the plugin only allows reading, not exporting? > It sure looks that way! -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Cumulatively, however, they do get my goat, on my wick and up my nose, to the extent I am angry enough to stick a wick up a goat's nose and to hell with the consequences. - Eddie Mair, RT 2016/2/27-3/4
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-02 03:42 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <u070mlx3b.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #186450 |
On 2025-08-01 22:03, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/7/31 21:39:24, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-07-31 17:11, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > > [] > >>> Well when I did have a version of the book that I could open in calibre, >>> calibre failed when I tried to create either an EPUB or a .pdf version >>> of it: I could look at the book, in cabibre, but when I tried to >>> _convert_ it, in calibre, I got a message (same for both types of >>> conversion attempt) that it couldn't; I don't remember the exact >>> message, but I think it involved "protected" and "DRM". >>> >>> [] >>> >> >> Yes, I don't understand that. I'm not familiar with the Kindle > > Ah, I thought you were! Sorry about that. No, I use the epub ecosystem (with Kobo). So I go by similarities, I can't know the details. > >> ecosystem, so I'm sorry that I can not help. But I do know that Calibre >> alone would display giberish when reading a book with DRM. It needs a >> DeDRM plugin in order to show you the readable text. > > In this case, I think it also needed the other plugin (a three-letter > name - something like KRX?) before it would display other than gibberish.> >> Maybe the plugin only allows reading, not exporting? >> > It sure looks that way! -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-08-02 08:30 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106kepr$un51$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186461 |
On 2025/8/2 2:42:22, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-08-01 22:03, J. P. Gilliver wrote: [] >> Ah, I thought you were! Sorry about that. > > No, I use the epub ecosystem (with Kobo). So I go by similarities, I > can't know the details. > >> >>> ecosystem, so I'm sorry that I can not help. But I do know that Calibre >>> alone would display giberish when reading a book with DRM. It needs a >>> DeDRM plugin in order to show you the readable text. >> >> In this case, I think it also needed the other plugin (a three-letter >> name - something like KRX?) before it would display other than gibberish.> >>> Maybe the plugin only allows reading, not exporting? >>> >> It sure looks that way! > So - anyone familiar enough with the Kindle system to tell me how I _can_ convert this book - <https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/latejul25news.htm#Oxford> - to PDF or EPUB? Unfortunately, in as much as I understand these things, it's only available in Kindle (if that's the correct way to describe the situation). If calibre is the answer, I already have the DeDRM and KFX plugins. Or, can anyone tell me for definite that it _can't_ be done?> -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf I used to dream of the day when linux was as stable as windows. Never did I imagine that parity would be achieved by windows declining into the chaos that engulfs and stifles linux. - mike <ham789@netzero.net> in alt.windows7.general, 2018-4-1
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