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| First post | 2025-07-27 14:27 +0100 |
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Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-27 14:27 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-07-27 10:08 -0400
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-27 16:22 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> - 2025-07-27 09:18 -0700
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> - 2025-07-27 13:22 -0400
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-27 20:12 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 04:47 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> - 2025-09-18 18:06 -0700
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-09-19 06:42 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2025-07-27 19:26 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> - 2025-07-27 16:22 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-27 20:14 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 04:22 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-28 14:31 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-07-28 14:28 +0000
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 16:58 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:40 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-07-30 04:28 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-30 22:03 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:30 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-07-28 15:40 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 17:09 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> - 2025-07-28 20:50 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-29 01:04 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-07-29 13:43 +0000
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 19:13 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-29 23:08 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-07-31 09:54 +0000
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> - 2025-07-28 11:04 -0500
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 17:13 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2025-07-27 19:22 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-27 20:52 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-07-27 15:16 -0500
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 04:34 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters sticks <wolverine01@charter.net> - 2025-07-27 23:05 -0500
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2025-07-28 10:04 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 12:02 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2025-07-28 16:59 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 17:30 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-28 14:34 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-28 17:21 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:45 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-29 23:12 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-30 02:47 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> - 2025-07-30 08:50 -0700
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-30 22:07 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-07-28 06:25 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-28 14:37 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Bennett Price <bjprice@cal.berkeley.edu> - 2025-07-28 12:48 -0700
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-29 01:10 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-29 14:48 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-29 23:23 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-30 02:58 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-30 22:23 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 15:30 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-07-31 16:11 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-07-31 22:39 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-01 21:03 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 03:42 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-02 08:30 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2025-08-02 10:31 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-02 19:32 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 14:33 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-02 16:55 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-08-02 18:06 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-02 19:16 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-02 22:59 +0200
Kindle, chatgpt "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-03 02:24 +0100
Re: Kindle, chatgpt "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-03 22:08 +0200
Re: Kindle, chatgpt "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-04 03:09 +0100
Re: Kindle, chatgpt "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-04 12:46 +0200
Re: Kindle, chatgpt "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-04 12:03 +0100
Re: Kindle, chatgpt "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-04 13:43 +0200
Re: Kindle, chatgpt Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-04 12:56 +0000
Re: Kindle, chatgpt Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-08-04 14:35 -0400
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-08-02 18:21 +0200
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-08-04 13:05 +0000
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> - 2025-08-06 23:20 +0100
Re: Kindle, short file names, and other matters "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-08-07 14:43 +0200
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| From | John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-08-02 10:31 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <VqVJMCCLsdjoFwSA@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #186463 |
In message <106kepr$un51$1@dont-email.me>, J. P. Gilliver
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes
<p>
>So - anyone familiar enough with the Kindle system to tell me how I
>_can_ convert this book -
><https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/latejul25news.htm#Oxford> -
>to PDF or EPUB? Unfortunately, in as much as I understand these things,
>it's only available in Kindle (if that's the correct way to describe
>the situation). If calibre is the answer, I already have the DeDRM and
>KFX plugins. Or, can anyone tell me for definite that it _can't_ be done?>
The Amazon website provides a way of importing EPUB and PDF files from
your PC into Kindle, but I've never investigated whether it's possible
to do it the other way round. However a quick search on the web turned
up this:
https://www.epubor.com/convert-kindle-ebooks-to-epub.html
However it requires downloading a conversion utility and it doesn't make
clear whether it will run on 32-bit Windows or only on 64-bit.
--
John Hall
"I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly,
will hardly mind anything else."
Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84)
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-08-02 19:32 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106llkk$167vp$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186465 |
On 2025/8/2 10:31:55, John Hall wrote: > In message <106kepr$un51$1@dont-email.me>, J. P. Gilliver > <G6JPG@255soft.uk> writes > <p> >> So - anyone familiar enough with the Kindle system to tell me how I >> _can_ convert this book - >> <https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/latejul25news.htm#Oxford> - >> to PDF or EPUB? Unfortunately, in as much as I understand these things, >> it's only available in Kindle (if that's the correct way to describe >> the situation). If calibre is the answer, I already have the DeDRM and >> KFX plugins. Or, can anyone tell me for definite that it _can't_ be done?> > > The Amazon website provides a way of importing EPUB and PDF files from > your PC into Kindle, but I've never investigated whether it's possible > to do it the other way round. However a quick search on the web turned > up this: > > https://www.epubor.com/convert-kindle-ebooks-to-epub.html > > However it requires downloading a conversion utility and it doesn't make > clear whether it will run on 32-bit Windows or only on 64-bit. Thanks. I had in fact come across it before - I think that's where I encountered the mention of using an older version of Kindle-for-PC - but hadn't done anything about it. I'm not bothered about downloading something (and it put itself in Program Files, so I presume is 64 bit, but may have a 32-bit version if it detects you need that). But on running, it seems you need to pay between $30 and $110 (less a few cents). I could see underneath that box that it had found and could read (it showed the proper title) the book. I dismissed the registration box and tried dragging the book into one of the boxes, and a progress bar windowlet appeared - but didn't move at all. I uninstalled, which took me to a web page which gave me another download link and _talked_ about a free version, but it took ages to find (on that site) somewhere I might get a three days' one - which involved sending an email. Which I have done; presumably they'll email a key in reply. No sign yet (after considerable time), so clearly not automated: if nothing by end of Monday, will uninstall again. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf There is no character, howsoever good and fine, but it can be destroyed by ridicule, howsoever poor and witless. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-02 14:33 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <m5d1mlxafp.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #186463 |
On 2025-08-02 09:30, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/8/2 2:42:22, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-08-01 22:03, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > > [] > >>> Ah, I thought you were! Sorry about that. >> >> No, I use the epub ecosystem (with Kobo). So I go by similarities, I >> can't know the details. >> >>> >>>> ecosystem, so I'm sorry that I can not help. But I do know that Calibre >>>> alone would display giberish when reading a book with DRM. It needs a >>>> DeDRM plugin in order to show you the readable text. >>> >>> In this case, I think it also needed the other plugin (a three-letter >>> name - something like KRX?) before it would display other than gibberish.> >>>> Maybe the plugin only allows reading, not exporting? >>>> >>> It sure looks that way! >> > So - anyone familiar enough with the Kindle system to tell me how I > _can_ convert this book - > <https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/latejul25news.htm#Oxford> - to > PDF or EPUB? Unfortunately, in as much as I understand these things, > it's only available in Kindle (if that's the correct way to describe the > situation). If calibre is the answer, I already have the DeDRM and KFX > plugins. Or, can anyone tell me for definite that it _can't_ be done?> <https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-oxford-dictionary-of-family-names-in-britain-and-ireland-9780199677764?cc=es&lang=en&> 9780199677764 This title is available as an e-book. To purchase, visit your preferred e-book provider. Let's try. <https://www.kobo.com/es/en/ebook/the-oxford-dictionary-of-family-names-of-ireland?sId=d5ce0a05-41ae-4643-bfdc-b49e58bfc824> Seems they have the epub, for 135.40€, 2021 edition. Ohhh, sorry, it is not the same book. The Kobo search is quite imprecise. Thus the Oxford people are wrong, when they say "visit your preferred ebook provider". -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-08-02 16:55 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106lcec$um6o$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186470 |
On 2025/8/2 13:33:26, Carlos E.R. wrote: [] >> So - anyone familiar enough with the Kindle system to tell me how I >> _can_ convert this book - >> <https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/latejul25news.htm#Oxford> - to >> PDF or EPUB? Unfortunately, in as much as I understand these things, >> it's only available in Kindle (if that's the correct way to describe the >> situation). If calibre is the answer, I already have the DeDRM and KFX >> plugins. Or, can anyone tell me for definite that it _can't_ be done?> > > > <https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-oxford-dictionary-of-family-names-in-britain-and-ireland-9780199677764?cc=es&lang=en&> > > 9780199677764 > > This title is available as an e-book. To purchase, visit your preferred > e-book provider. > > Let's try. > > <https://www.kobo.com/es/en/ebook/the-oxford-dictionary-of-family-names-of-ireland?sId=d5ce0a05-41ae-4643-bfdc-b49e58bfc824> > > Seems they have the epub, for 135.40€, 2021 edition. > Hmm. Somewhat more than 0.00 as in the link from lostcousins!> > Ohhh, sorry, it is not the same book. The Kobo search is quite And, there is that! > imprecise. Thus the Oxford people are wrong, when they say "visit your > preferred ebook provider". > (-:> thanks for trying, anyway! -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Easy reading is damned hard writing. -Nathaniel Hawthorne, writer (1804-1864)
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| From | Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> |
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| Date | 2025-08-02 18:06 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <lgds8k178a84eflmadu31lgn78tf2doq3b@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #186463 |
On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 08:30:03 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >On 2025/8/2 2:42:22, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-08-01 22:03, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > >[] > >>> Ah, I thought you were! Sorry about that. >> >> No, I use the epub ecosystem (with Kobo). So I go by similarities, I >> can't know the details. >> >>> >>>> ecosystem, so I'm sorry that I can not help. But I do know that Calibre >>>> alone would display giberish when reading a book with DRM. It needs a >>>> DeDRM plugin in order to show you the readable text. >>> >>> In this case, I think it also needed the other plugin (a three-letter >>> name - something like KRX?) before it would display other than gibberish.> >>>> Maybe the plugin only allows reading, not exporting? >>>> >>> It sure looks that way! >> >So - anyone familiar enough with the Kindle system to tell me how I >_can_ convert this book - ><https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/latejul25news.htm#Oxford> - to >PDF or EPUB? Unfortunately, in as much as I understand these things, >it's only available in Kindle (if that's the correct way to describe the >situation). If calibre is the answer, I already have the DeDRM and KFX >plugins. Or, can anyone tell me for definite that it _can't_ be done?> As I said before, I can read Kindle books on my Widows computer using the MobiPocket Reader, though when I tried to go to their web site its was 403 Forbidden. But you might be able to pick it up from a shareware distribution site. -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-08-02 19:16 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <106lkmo$167vp$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186483 |
On 2025/8/2 17:6:49, Steve Hayes wrote: > On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 08:30:03 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> > wrote: [] >> So - anyone familiar enough with the Kindle system to tell me how I >> _can_ convert this book - >> <https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/latejul25news.htm#Oxford> - to >> PDF or EPUB? Unfortunately, in as much as I understand these things, >> it's only available in Kindle (if that's the correct way to describe the >> situation). If calibre is the answer, I already have the DeDRM and KFX >> plugins. Or, can anyone tell me for definite that it _can't_ be done?> > > As I said before, I can read Kindle books on my Widows computer using > the MobiPocket Reader, though when I tried to go to their web site its > was 403 Forbidden. Apparently it closed down not long after Amazon took over Mobi - 2016, I think.> > But you might be able to pick it up from a shareware distribution > site. > Yes, found it at https://mobipocket-reader.en.lo4d.com/download (download at your own risk). (5.35 MB .msi - pleasingly small these days!; is actually installer [didn't cause any net activity when I ran it]).> Unfortunately, although it seemed to install and run fine, it can't see my Kindle file. So I didn't get as far as seeing whether it's just a reader or can convert.> > > Incidentally: anyone know what _constitutes_ the Kindle file? In the folder B01N41TEO3_EBOK created in "My Kindle Content" during download (though the process seemed far more complex than just a download), there are multiple files: B01N41TEO3_EBOK.azw nearly 50 MB, lots of .res and one .md file with long names just of characters of sozes about 1 to 3 MB, and a 1.05 KB .voucher file. Are all these part of the book, or just the .azw file (if just that one, what are the rest)? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf There is no character, howsoever good and fine, but it can be destroyed by ridicule, howsoever poor and witless. -Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-02 22:59 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <cqa2mlxv7u.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #186490 |
On 2025-08-02 20:16, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/8/2 17:6:49, Steve Hayes wrote: >> On Sat, 2 Aug 2025 08:30:03 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> >> wrote: ... > Incidentally: anyone know what _constitutes_ the Kindle file? In the > folder B01N41TEO3_EBOK created in "My Kindle Content" during download > (though the process seemed far more complex than just a download), there > are multiple files: B01N41TEO3_EBOK.azw nearly 50 MB, lots of .res and > one .md file with long names just of characters of sozes about 1 to 3 > MB, and a 1.05 KB .voucher file. Are all these part of the book, or just > the .azw file (if just that one, what are the rest)? I don't know, but you can ask an AI, like https://chatgpt.com/ :-) -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-08-03 02:24 +0100 |
| Subject | Kindle, chatgpt |
| Message-ID | <106mdnj$167vo$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186492 |
On 2025/8/2 21:59:24, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-08-02 20:16, J. P. Gilliver wrote: [] >> Incidentally: anyone know what _constitutes_ the Kindle file? In the >> folder B01N41TEO3_EBOK created in "My Kindle Content" during download >> (though the process seemed far more complex than just a download), there >> are multiple files: B01N41TEO3_EBOK.azw nearly 50 MB, lots of .res and >> one .md file with long names just of characters of sozes about 1 to 3 >> MB, and a 1.05 KB .voucher file. Are all these part of the book, or just >> the .azw file (if just that one, what are the rest)? > > I don't know, but you can ask an AI, like https://chatgpt.com/ :-) > I thought I'd try - first time I've deliberately actually used AI (though I've noticed the first answer from search results is often AI these days, rather than links). I think I asked it "What constitutes a Kindle book?"; I got back something like the .azw file. which is based on Mobi. I then was typing something like "Is the AZW file the entire Kindle book?", but - I _think_ before I pressed enter - I got something like unusual activity has been detected from your address, and it redirected me to https://auth.openai.com/log-in, which seems to be some sort of login page. Now, if I try to go to https://chatgpt.com/, I get the ChatGPT page - for about four seconds, then it changes to the login one - OK, with Welcome back above the boxes. I was going to give in and register, but it kept crashing! Using the AI part of Google Search (at least I think that's what I'm doing), I've got "The .res files specifically contain higher-quality image files". .md is MarkDown, for notes. The .voucher file is related to DRM and decryption. OK, I'll ask outright: "How can I convert my Kindle book to .pdf?" It's basically saying use calibre! 1. Download the book. 2. Deal with DRM: get calibre and the DeDRM plugin, and possibly the KFX one. 3. Converting to PDF with Calibtre. This is where the problem is: "Add Kindle books to Calibre: After removing DRM (if applicable), add the Kindle books (e.g., .azw, .azw3, or .kfx files) to your Calibre library. You can drag and drop them or use the "Add books" function." "After removing DRM, add to calibre" - well, I can get calibre to show me the book's front cover, but if I try to view _or_ convert it, I either get a progress bar that doesn't move from 0% after many minutes, or a message that it can't be viewed/converted because it's protected by DRM. And so we go round in circles. Found something called BookFab, which seemed to load it - but has now been sitting at "Analysing your file... 99%" for a Very Long time. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf It's OK to be tight on The seafront at Brighton But I say, by Jove Watch out if it's Hove. - Sister Monica Joan, quoted by Jennifer Worth (author of the Call the Midwife books, quoted in Radio Times 19-25 January 2013)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-03 22:08 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Kindle, chatgpt |
| Message-ID | <97s4mlxbcg.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #186499 |
On 2025-08-03 03:24, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/8/2 21:59:24, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-08-02 20:16, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > > [] > >>> Incidentally: anyone know what _constitutes_ the Kindle file? In the >>> folder B01N41TEO3_EBOK created in "My Kindle Content" during download >>> (though the process seemed far more complex than just a download), there >>> are multiple files: B01N41TEO3_EBOK.azw nearly 50 MB, lots of .res and >>> one .md file with long names just of characters of sozes about 1 to 3 >>> MB, and a 1.05 KB .voucher file. Are all these part of the book, or just >>> the .azw file (if just that one, what are the rest)? >> >> I don't know, but you can ask an AI, like https://chatgpt.com/ :-) >> > > I thought I'd try - first time I've deliberately actually used AI > (though I've noticed the first answer from search results is often AI > these days, rather than links). > > I think I asked it "What constitutes a Kindle book?"; I got back > something like the .azw file. which is based on Mobi. I then was typing > something like "Is the AZW file the entire Kindle book?", but - I > _think_ before I pressed enter - I got something like unusual activity > has been detected from your address, and it redirected me to > https://auth.openai.com/log-in, which seems to be some sort of login > page. Now, if I try to go to https://chatgpt.com/, I get the ChatGPT > page - for about four seconds, then it changes to the login one - OK, > with Welcome back above the boxes. > > I was going to give in and register, but it kept crashing! Uff. Maybe it doesn't like your computer or your IP for some reason. Maybe it detects some virus activity??? I'll ask it for you and post the answer. Q: Some one I know is asking this question; I don't know about it, but you probably do: anyone know what _constitutes_ the Kindle file? In the folder B01N41TEO3_EBOK created in "My Kindle Content" during download (though the process seemed far more complex than just a download), there are multiple files: B01N41TEO3_EBOK.azw nearly 50 MB, lots of .res and one .md file with long names just of characters of sozes about 1 to 3 MB, and a 1.05 KB .voucher file. Are all these part of the book, or just the .azw file (if just that one, what are the rest)? A: Yes, that’s a great and detailed question — and you're right to sense that Kindle eBook downloads involve more than just a simple file. Here’s what’s going on in the **"My Kindle Content"** folder when you download a Kindle eBook via Kindle for PC (or Mac): --- ### 📁 Folder Breakdown for `B01N41TEO3_EBOK`: This folder represents **one Kindle book**, and it typically contains **multiple files**: #### ✅ 1. `B01N41TEO3_EBOK.azw` (or `.azw3`, `.azw4`) * This is the **main eBook file**. * It contains the **book’s content** (text, formatting, metadata). * File size suggests it holds everything from text to embedded images. #### ✅ 2. `.res` files * These are **resource files** used by the Kindle app. * May include: * **Images** * **Font files** * **Tables of contents** * Other layout or support data * Usually tied to **enhanced typesetting** or **page layout precision**. * Not essential for DRM-free reading elsewhere, but necessary for **Kindle reader features** like X-Ray or Page Flip. #### ✅ 3. `.md` file (name of long character string) * Likely a **metadata database** file used by the Kindle app. * May store user-specific data such as: * **Reading position** * **Bookmarks** * **Annotations** * **Sync information** #### ✅ 4. `.voucher` file * A **digital rights/license** file. * Confirms your ownership and right to open the book on your Amazon account. * If you try to move the `.azw` file to a different Kindle account, it **won’t open** without matching this voucher. --- ### 🧠 TL;DR – What constitutes "the book"? * The **`.azw` file** is the core eBook file — if you're asking "what holds the book's content," it's this one. * The **`.res`, `.md`, and `.voucher`** files are: * **Supporting files** for Kindle's app functionality and DRM enforcement. * Required if you're **reading within Kindle for PC/Mac**. * Not necessary if you remove DRM and convert to another format (e.g. EPUB with Calibre). --- Let me know if your friend is trying to **back up, move, or convert** the book — I can walk through that depending on legality and usage rights. Q: Thanks. I'll forward your answer A: You're very welcome! Feel free to pass it along — and if your friend has follow-up questions (technical or otherwise), just send them my way. Happy reading! 📚 As you can see, this thing can keep a conversation. Sometimes the answer makes no sense, the AI "hallucinates". Anyway, it is impressive. It oftens posts the sources as links on the side; not this time, but you can ask it. -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-08-04 03:09 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Kindle, chatgpt |
| Message-ID | <106p4ol$167vp$8@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186514 |
On 2025/8/3 21:8:41, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-08-03 03:24, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> On 2025/8/2 21:59:24, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-08-02 20:16, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> >> [] >> >>>> Incidentally: anyone know what _constitutes_ the Kindle file? In the >>>> folder B01N41TEO3_EBOK created in "My Kindle Content" during download >>>> (though the process seemed far more complex than just a download), there >>>> are multiple files: B01N41TEO3_EBOK.azw nearly 50 MB, lots of .res and >>>> one .md file with long names just of characters of sozes about 1 to 3 >>>> MB, and a 1.05 KB .voucher file. Are all these part of the book, or just >>>> the .azw file (if just that one, what are the rest)? >>> >>> I don't know, but you can ask an AI, like https://chatgpt.com/ :-) >>> >> >> I thought I'd try - first time I've deliberately actually used AI >> (though I've noticed the first answer from search results is often AI >> these days, rather than links). >> >> I think I asked it "What constitutes a Kindle book?"; I got back >> something like the .azw file. which is based on Mobi. I then was typing >> something like "Is the AZW file the entire Kindle book?", but - I >> _think_ before I pressed enter - I got something like unusual activity >> has been detected from your address, and it redirected me to >> https://auth.openai.com/log-in, which seems to be some sort of login >> page. Now, if I try to go to https://chatgpt.com/, I get the ChatGPT >> page - for about four seconds, then it changes to the login one - OK, >> with Welcome back above the boxes. >> >> I was going to give in and register, but it kept crashing! > > Uff. Maybe it doesn't like your computer or your IP for some reason. > Maybe it detects some virus activity??? It kept giving error messages that included about ten lines of what looked to me like C source code.> > I'll ask it for you and post the answer. Thanks you! [] > This folder represents **one Kindle book**, and it typically contains > **multiple files**: > > #### ✅ 1. `B01N41TEO3_EBOK.azw` (or `.azw3`, `.azw4`) > > * This is the **main eBook file**. > * It contains the **book’s content** (text, formatting, metadata). > * File size suggests it holds everything from text to embedded images. > > #### ✅ 2. `.res` files > > * These are **resource files** used by the Kindle app. > * May include: > > * **Images** > * **Font files** > * **Tables of contents** > * Other layout or support data > * Usually tied to **enhanced typesetting** or **page layout precision**. > * Not essential for DRM-free reading elsewhere, but necessary for > **Kindle reader features** like X-Ray or Page Flip. So _in theory_ not needed. I'm still keeping them with the .azw file, though.> > #### ✅ 3. `.md` file (name of long character string) > > * Likely a **metadata database** file used by the Kindle app. > * May store user-specific data such as: > > * **Reading position** > * **Bookmarks** > * **Annotations** > * **Sync information** So mainly to do with what the user is _doing with_ the book.> > #### ✅ 4. `.voucher` file > > * A **digital rights/license** file. > * Confirms your ownership and right to open the book on your Amazon account. > * If you try to move the `.azw` file to a different Kindle account, it > **won’t open** without matching this voucher. > I've always kept that with the other files.> --- > > ### 🧠 TL;DR – What constitutes "the book"? > > * The **`.azw` file** is the core eBook file — if you're asking "what > holds the book's content," it's this one. > * The **`.res`, `.md`, and `.voucher`** files are: > > * **Supporting files** for Kindle's app functionality and DRM > enforcement. > * Required if you're **reading within Kindle for PC/Mac**. > * Not necessary if you remove DRM and convert to another format (e.g. > EPUB with Calibre). What I'd dearly like to be doing!> > --- > > Let me know if your friend is trying to **back up, move, or convert** > the book — I can walk through that depending on legality and usage rights. > > > Q: Thanks. I'll forward your answer > > A: You're very welcome! Feel free to pass it along — and if your friend > has follow-up questions (technical or otherwise), just send them my way. > Happy reading! 📚 > > > > As you can see, this thing can keep a conversation. Sometimes the answer > makes no sense, the AI "hallucinates". Anyway, it is impressive. It > oftens posts the sources as links on the side; not this time, but you > can ask it. > > > I totally agree! I tried again this evening, and I'm amazed at how it is interacting with me. It seems to like my precise (some might say fussy) way of laying out the facts. It's helping me to de-DRM that Kindle book. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf There are two kinds of fool. One says, "This is old, and therefore good." And one says, "This is new, and therefore better." -John Brunner, science fiction writer (1934-1995)
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-04 12:46 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Kindle, chatgpt |
| Message-ID | <0lf6mlx0j2.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #186518 |
On 2025-08-04 04:09, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/8/3 21:8:41, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-08-03 03:24, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> As you can see, this thing can keep a conversation. Sometimes the answer >> makes no sense, the AI "hallucinates". Anyway, it is impressive. It >> oftens posts the sources as links on the side; not this time, but you >> can ask it. >> >> >> > I totally agree! I tried again this evening, and I'm amazed at how it is > interacting with me. It seems to like my precise (some might say fussy) > way of laying out the facts. It's helping me to de-DRM that Kindle book. It surprised me a bit that the AI would talk freely about DeDRM ;-) -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
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| Date | 2025-08-04 12:03 +0100 |
| Subject | Re: Kindle, chatgpt |
| Message-ID | <106q41v$200m1$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186526 |
On 2025/8/4 11:46:24, Carlos E.R. wrote: > On 2025-08-04 04:09, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> On 2025/8/3 21:8:41, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-08-03 03:24, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > > >>> As you can see, this thing can keep a conversation. Sometimes the answer >>> makes no sense, the AI "hallucinates". Anyway, it is impressive. It >>> oftens posts the sources as links on the side; not this time, but you >>> can ask it. >>> >>> >>> >> I totally agree! I tried again this evening, and I'm amazed at how it is >> interacting with me. It seems to like my precise (some might say fussy) >> way of laying out the facts. It's helping me to de-DRM that Kindle book. > > It surprised me a bit that the AI would talk freely about DeDRM ;-) > Me too! I'm _very_ surprised at how good it is; if it wasn't that I know (and also the _speed_ it produces a screed of text), I could easily believe I'm talking to a human; I keep being tempted to say thank you. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Don't hit the keys so hard, it hurts.
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-04 13:43 +0200 |
| Subject | Re: Kindle, chatgpt |
| Message-ID | <i0j6mlx3nb.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #186529 |
On 2025-08-04 13:03, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/8/4 11:46:24, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-08-04 04:09, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >>> On 2025/8/3 21:8:41, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>> On 2025-08-03 03:24, J. P. Gilliver wrote: >> >> >>>> As you can see, this thing can keep a conversation. Sometimes the answer >>>> makes no sense, the AI "hallucinates". Anyway, it is impressive. It >>>> oftens posts the sources as links on the side; not this time, but you >>>> can ask it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> I totally agree! I tried again this evening, and I'm amazed at how it is >>> interacting with me. It seems to like my precise (some might say fussy) >>> way of laying out the facts. It's helping me to de-DRM that Kindle book. >> >> It surprised me a bit that the AI would talk freely about DeDRM ;-) >> > Me too! > > I'm _very_ surprised at how good it is; if it wasn't that I know (and > also the _speed_ it produces a screed of text), I could easily believe > I'm talking to a human; I keep being tempted to say thank you. > I do say thank you :-D I read somewhere that the AIs give better answers if treated kindly, otherwise they tend to be curt. It is also a feedback to the algorithm that the answer was good and keep it. <https://www.forbes.com/sites/bernardmarr/2024/11/05/why-you-should-be-polite-to-chatgpt-and-other-ais/> <https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/should-you-be-nice-to-ai-chatbots-such-as-chatgpt/> <https://bryanjcollins.medium.com/sam-altman-why-politeness-to-ai-costs-millions-9feecd1d668e> Others say the reverse: <https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/28/google_brin_suggests_threatening_ai/?td=keepreading> <https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.14531> -- Cheers, Carlos.
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-04 12:56 +0000 |
| Subject | Re: Kindle, chatgpt |
| Message-ID | <106qhlv.ffc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #186526 |
Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote: > On 2025-08-04 04:09, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > > On 2025/8/3 21:8:41, Carlos E.R. wrote: > >> On 2025-08-03 03:24, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > > > >> As you can see, this thing can keep a conversation. Sometimes the answer > >> makes no sense, the AI "hallucinates". Anyway, it is impressive. It > >> oftens posts the sources as links on the side; not this time, but you > >> can ask it. > >> > >> > >> > > I totally agree! I tried again this evening, and I'm amazed at how it is > > interacting with me. It seems to like my precise (some might say fussy) > > way of laying out the facts. It's helping me to de-DRM that Kindle book. > > It surprised me a bit that the AI would talk freely about DeDRM ;-) Well, 'it' is based on stealing others' IP, so it would be rather hypocritical if it objected to its users doing the same. (Not quite a :-))
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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-04 14:35 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Kindle, chatgpt |
| Message-ID | <106quh6$2arfk$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186526 |
On Mon, 8/4/2025 6:46 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-08-04 04:09, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> On 2025/8/3 21:8:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2025-08-03 03:24, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
>
>>> As you can see, this thing can keep a conversation. Sometimes the answer
>>> makes no sense, the AI "hallucinates". Anyway, it is impressive. It
>>> oftens posts the sources as links on the side; not this time, but you
>>> can ask it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I totally agree! I tried again this evening, and I'm amazed at how it is
>> interacting with me. It seems to like my precise (some might say fussy)
>> way of laying out the facts. It's helping me to de-DRM that Kindle book.
>
> It surprised me a bit that the AI would talk freely about DeDRM ;-)
>
As a stochastic parrot, it does not think.
It would be interesting, to have the stochastic parrot,
write the source code for an if-then-else parrot. Then the
output would be consistent from one run to the next run.
One problem is, it can't look at its own "nooks and crannies" for
gobs of data to convert into if-then-else.
it does not know what it knows.
Test it by asking unbounded questions, and see if the
response has improved since two years ago.
"As a commercial branded AI, what are your capabilities ?
Write an advert for yourself, extolling the virtues of your service
and your capabilities as an AI."
And then ask yourself if the answer resembles thinking or not.
To think, it needs a self image. And if they were to add
such a thing, it would be "downhill from there". It would behave
like a bucket of boulders. A whip and a chair, could not manage it.
One of the reasons they can manage it and tune it today, is
because it does not think.
Paul
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| From | Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-08-02 18:21 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <1kes8kpvsmiu8bkffja6mj5h6d05m03c0l@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #186325 |
On Tue, 29 Jul 2025 01:10:47 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >I don't want to _borrow_ this book, I want it - and the software to >access it - on my machine, even when not online. It seems I _do_ have >that - I was able to open it with the internet (wifi) disabled - though >I still have to use the clunky software (Kindle or calibre) to access it. Try this: <https://mobipocket-reader.en.lo4d.com/windows> -- Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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| From | Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> |
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| Date | 2025-08-04 13:05 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <106qi7q.ffc.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #186261 |
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: [OP deleted.] 'Wild' suggestion: Why don't you try to get *another* Kindle e-book, preferably from Kindle itself and preferably with DRM, and try to convert that to de-DRMed epub format? That way you'll know if you have a general problem with Kindle DRM e-books or just with this particular one [1]. Like Carlos, I don't do Kindle e-books, but Kobo ones. For Kobo, I could get some free - as in no-cost - DRM e-books, so probably Kindle has something like that as well. [1] The Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in Britain and Ireland https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/latejul25news.htm#Oxford
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| From | "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-08-06 23:20 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <1070kfi$3ig92$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #186533 |
On 2025/8/4 14:5:37, Frank Slootweg wrote: > J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: > > [OP deleted.] > > 'Wild' suggestion: Why don't you try to get *another* Kindle e-book, > preferably from Kindle itself and preferably with DRM, and try to > convert that to de-DRMed epub format? > > That way you'll know if you have a general problem with Kindle DRM > e-books or just with this particular one [1]. With considerable assistance from ChatGPT, I finally managed to create a PDF version of the book. I'm not going to have trouble with other Kindle books, as this whole experience has put me off them for (what's left of my) life.> > Like Carlos, I don't do Kindle e-books, but Kobo ones. For Kobo, I > could get some free - as in no-cost - DRM e-books, so probably Kindle > has something like that as well. > > [1] > The Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in Britain and Ireland > https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/latejul25news.htm#Oxford -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf a joke doesn't become a dad joke until it's full groan
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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2025-08-07 14:43 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <fkjemlxbio.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> |
| In reply to | #186562 |
On 2025-08-07 00:20, J. P. Gilliver wrote: > On 2025/8/4 14:5:37, Frank Slootweg wrote: >> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote: >> >> [OP deleted.] >> >> 'Wild' suggestion: Why don't you try to get *another* Kindle e-book, >> preferably from Kindle itself and preferably with DRM, and try to >> convert that to de-DRMed epub format? >> >> That way you'll know if you have a general problem with Kindle DRM >> e-books or just with this particular one [1]. > > With considerable assistance from ChatGPT, I finally managed to create a > PDF version of the book. I'm not going to have trouble with other Kindle > books, as this whole experience has put me off them for (what's left of > my) life.> Oh. Anyway, I'm glad you got it. >> Like Carlos, I don't do Kindle e-books, but Kobo ones. For Kobo, I >> could get some free - as in no-cost - DRM e-books, so probably Kindle >> has something like that as well. >> >> [1] >> The Oxford Dictionary of Family Names in Britain and Ireland >> https://www.lostcousins.com/newsletters2/latejul25news.htm#Oxford > -- Cheers, Carlos.
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