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Re: Windows can't take cartooning screenshots due to security policy with Android

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On Fri, 4 Apr 2025 22:25:01 -0400, Paul wrote :


> You can see here, that as a mechanism is discovered, it is blocked.
>   https://www.reddit.com/r/hacking/comments/rsuh5b/anyone_know_a_working_bypass_for_cant_screenshot/?rdt=36016

Thanks for that link. I'm sure there's a way to screenshot anything (e.g.,
a camera will always work so it's really not worth them blocking it).

Apparently the primary way Android apps prevent screenshots on Windows is
by setting the FLAG_SECURE window flag in Android. This flag tells the
Android operating system to block any attempts to capture the screen
content.

It used to be different before (oh, about Android 11) but now, when I use
Windows scrcpy or Vysor mirroring software (mostly scrcpy nowadays), the
scrcpy software shows a black screen, as they noted in that reddit thread.

A rooted Android can disable the "FLAG_SECURE" but my Galaxy bootloader
version is not known to be rootable. However, the thread does suggest we
could just drop down to an older Android version (which would work).

Some suggested browser-based or screen-recording solutions, but cartooning
is app based and I doubt a simple screen recording app will work, but it
might if I can find an open-source screenrec that ignores FLAG_SECURE.

There was a suggestion that a virtual Android VM on Windows might work,
especially if we drop it down to the older Android version, so that's the
most feasible suggestion in that thread I've seen so far as I read it.

The general consensus in the thread is that there isn't yet a single,
reliable, and easy method to bypass screenshot prevention enforced by
FLAG_SECURE without resorting to complex workarounds like rooting or using
external cameras. But that has never stopped us before, so why stop now?

> It's no different than the protections that Windows has for certain things.
> Anything that Microsoft wants... isn't protected :-)
>   https://www.tomshardware.com/software/windows/microsoft-celebrates-its-50th-anniversary-by-letting-copilot-see-what-you-see

Interesting since I can't use Windows 11 on my 2009 desktop (which was
beefy at the time it was born) but CoPilot was thrust onto my system
recently. 

Apparently, from that thread, Copilot in Windows 11 will gain the ability
to "see what you see" on your screen, which is an OCR of sorts by M$.

Thanks for that datum about CoPilot "seeing" what's on your screen.

> And it's not even called "Recall" either.

I didn't understand that comment until I googled what "recall" is to M$.

Apparently "Recall" is a new feature in Windows 11, specifically designed
for Copilot+ PCs which acts as a "photographic memory" for your activity.

Apparently it has continuous screenshots, local storage & analysis, a
timeline of your activities, an automatic click to do feature, and a
natural language search of your activities (which your wife will love!).

Apparently it only works on Copilot+ PCs, which, again, I had to google
since I have a Copilot- PC (built in 2009) where apparently nowadays
Windows 11 PCs have a Natural Processing Unit (NPU) for AI (which, everyone
knows is "Apple Intelligence" ... heh heh heh ... even though they lied).

Paul's link is taking me deeper into today's reality, where apparently the
Copilot+ PC's NPU has to be capable of 40+ TOPS, which I had to look up.

Apparently 40TOPS is 40 trillion operations per second, which is a new
metric to me as of this moment - thanks to Paul's information above.

Minimum PC hardware is apparently the Snapdragon X series processors or
certain Intel Core Ultra and AMD Ryzen AI series processors, and 16 GB of
LPDDR5 RAM (which reminds me that Apple has historically had laughably puny
RAM and now because of AI (Apple Intelligence) they have to actually give
their users a "normal" amount of RAM instead of their bargain basement RAM
that almost all Apple mobile devices have had since the beginning).

a Copilot+ PC apparently also need 256 GB or larger NVMe SSD storage for
the AI data retrieval.

I saw some mention of "Preview" with "Recall" on the older articles I found
in that search. Is Preview perhaps just the older name for Recall?

Apparently, for the r.p.d crowd, there's also something called "Cocreator"
in M$ Paint which generates images based on what's in your Windows activity
list. And in M$ Photos, there's also apparently a text-to-image generator.
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Windows can't take cartooning screenshots due to security policy with Android Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-04 22:01 +0000
  Re: Windows can't take cartooning screenshots due to security policy with Android David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-04-04 23:42 +0100
    Re: Windows can't take cartooning screenshots due to security policy with Android Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-05 08:09 +0000
      Re: Windows can't take cartooning screenshots due to security policy with Android David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-04-05 09:54 +0100
        Re: Windows can't take cartooning screenshots due to security policy with Android Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-05 09:18 +0000
          Re: Windows can't take cartooning screenshots due to security policy with Android Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-05 09:32 +0000
            Re: Windows can't take cartooning screenshots due to security policy with Android David <David.is@home.today> - 2025-04-05 12:04 +0100
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          Re: Windows can't take cartooning screenshots due to security policy with Android Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-11 11:14 +0000
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      Re: Windows can't take cartooning screenshots due to security policy with Android Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-05 20:27 +0000
        Re: Windows can't take cartooning screenshots due to security policy with Android Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-06 05:22 +0000
          Re: Windows can't take cartooning screenshots due to security policy with Android Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-06 05:47 +0000
            Re: Windows can't take cartooning screenshots due to security policy with Android Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-06 03:03 -0400
              Re: Windows can't take cartooning screenshots due to security policy with Android Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-06 08:07 +0000
                Re: Windows can't take cartooning screenshots due to security policy with Android Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-04-06 04:59 -0400
                Re: Windows can't take cartooning screenshots due to security policy with Android Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-04-06 10:42 +0000
  Re: Windows can't take cartooning screenshots due to security policy with Android Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-04-04 15:49 -0700
    Re: Windows can't take cartooning screenshots due to security policy with Android Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2025-04-04 19:56 -0500
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