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From	Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.os.windows-11, alt.comp.os.windows-10
Subject	Re: 🐧:\>
Date	2024-12-23 13:00 -0500
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On Mon, 12/23/2024 8:24 AM, Newyana2 wrote:
> On 12/22/2024 10:53 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
> 
>> I remember when linux users helped newbies.  Pretty easy job.  They'd usually just say "RTFM".
>>
> 
>   That's part of the hazing. People in Windows groups have
> historically been fairly gracious. When I first tried Linux and
> went to newgroups, it seemed to be a mix of mean-spirited
> teenagers and experts holding court. I remember one
> professor responding to a question with, "Google's thataway".
> He was as adolescent as the teenagers.
> 
>   There's a basic mindset that if you have a problem then it's
> your fault, and it's your duty to study until you figure out
> the answer. The club is for geeks, not for lackey computer
> users.
> 
>   It's a bit like a religion based on laying on a rusty bed of nails,
> with adherents who just can't figure out why the evangelism is
> not working. "Will it ever be the year of the rusty nail bed?" "Will
> it ever be the year of the Linux Desktop?"
> 

Surprisingly, people in Linux groups have a variety of
experience levels.

I can think of one person, who is an active IT person in
his day job, who can and has sorted complicated problems
for people, including putting up with odious replies lacking
the necessary details to finish the job.

There are a few people with the necessary skill level.

There is one individual who is totally brain dead, and
he will read a paragraph off the cereal box he is holding
right now and put that in the post. Maybe a "RTFM" might
be included at the end.

There is one person, who could get your Wifi working for you,
but he is kinda semi-retired at the wifi thing, and
won't dig his spade into the ground any more. After repeating
the same suggested sequences a ton of times, I can see why
he may have lost a little "enthusiasm". He had sorted out the
Broadcom mess, and he could tell you which drivers to blacklist.
(Broadcom has too many drivers, some must be kicked to curb.)

You can't judge the aquarium, by the remaining fish particularly.
The Linux aquarium is approaching critical mass -- maybe they're
all on Facebook or Reddit. There can still be people using
Linux, but they're not promoting it or answering questions, because
they realize the multiplier-factor is not there (help one guy,
same question comes up next week, nobody scrolls back, there's
no Frequently Asked Questions posting once a month, and so on).

If all that's left in a group is Edmund, what kind of
an answer would you expect ? A whine about USB ports not
working for Edmund ? That's his thang.

I can provide a framework for Linux, maybe think of a few breadcrumbs,
but I'm not an active IT guy keeping machines running at work,
and I don't write multiple Linux scripts a day as part of my
daily activity. I try to help, when I can. It's the same with
Windows. Dig in, where you can.

   Paul

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  Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> - 2024-12-17 09:45 +0000
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  Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-17 07:13 -0500
  Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 09:08 -0500
  Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 11:28 -0700
    Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-17 18:40 +0000
      Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-17 17:10 -0500
        Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-17 14:26 -0800
          Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Undecided User <spam-here@linux.org> - 2024-12-18 00:47 +0000
            Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-17 18:21 -0800
              Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-18 08:44 +0100
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-17 23:56 -0800
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-18 00:02 -0800
            Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-18 01:02 -0500
              Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-17 23:54 -0800
              Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-18 08:42 -0500
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-18 13:52 -0800
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-18 16:19 -0600
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-18 15:28 -0800
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-12-19 08:52 -0500
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-19 11:21 -0500
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-12-19 12:19 -0500
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 13:44 -0500
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-19 22:12 +0100
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-12-19 20:05 -0500
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-20 15:14 +0100
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-20 09:42 -0500
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-20 22:30 +0100
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-12-20 12:22 -0500
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-20 15:55 -0500
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-20 22:41 +0100
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 16:26 -0700
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-22 04:44 -0500
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-12-22 08:16 -0500
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-22 08:39 -0500
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-22 09:57 -0500
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-22 17:49 -0800
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-23 14:06 -0500
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-23 16:16 -0800
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-23 19:10 -0600
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-23 17:23 -0800
                🐧:\> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-20 00:16 +0000
                Re: 🐧:\> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-19 20:04 -0500
                Re: 🐧:\> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-20 01:13 +0000
                Re: 🐧:\> Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-19 20:24 -0600
                Re: 🐧:\> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2024-12-20 03:19 +0000
                Re: 🐧:\> % <pursent100@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 20:36 -0700
                Re: 🐧:\> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-20 08:04 -0500
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                Re: 🐧:\> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-20 08:41 -0500
                Re: 🐧:\> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-20 20:42 +0000
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                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-21 04:00 -0500
                Re: 🐧:\> T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-20 18:04 -0800
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                Re: 🐧:\> Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-12-21 00:34 +0000
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                Re: 🐧:\> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-20 23:44 +0100
                Re: 🐧:\> Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-12-21 08:03 -0500
                Re: 🐧:\> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-21 14:29 +0100
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                Re: 🐧:\> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2024-12-22 02:31 +0100
                Re: 🐧:\> Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-21 19:50 -0600
                Re: 🐧:\> T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-21 13:31 -0800
                Re: 🐧:\> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-21 17:46 -0500
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                Re: 🐧:\> Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-21 18:29 -0600
                Re: 🐧:\> T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-21 17:00 -0800
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                Re: 🐧:\> CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2024-12-21 08:46 -0500
                Re: 🐧:\> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-21 09:04 -0500
                Re: 🐧:\> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-21 09:52 -0500
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                Re: 🐧:\> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-21 09:30 -0500
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                Re: 🐧:\> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-12-20 07:21 -0500
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-19 15:32 -0600
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-12-19 20:07 -0500
                Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> - 2024-12-19 20:13 -0600
    Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-12-17 17:33 -0500
      Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-17 18:51 -0500
        Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-17 18:21 -0800
      Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2024-12-17 19:12 -0700
  Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-21 16:53 +0800
    Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-12-21 08:18 -0500
      Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 23:11 +0800
        Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-12-23 11:20 -0500
          Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2024-12-24 00:48 +0800
            Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2024-12-23 13:04 -0500
          Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ  <winstonmvp@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 11:39 -0700
            Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2024-12-23 17:10 -0500
  Re: I'm confused by today's Forbes article on Windows update T <T@invalid.invalid> - 2025-01-02 00:38 -0800

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