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| From | "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.comp.software.firefox, comp.editors |
| Subject | Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? |
| Date | 2025-01-19 14:16 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <miav5lxcii.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> (permalink) |
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On 2025-01-19 09:43, Janis Papanagnou wrote: > On 19.01.2025 03:56, Carlos E.R. wrote: >> On 2025-01-19 03:50, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>> On 2025-01-19 01:44, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>> On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 23:29:39 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>> On 2025-01-18 21:55, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 18 Jan 2025 21:19:06 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I know profesional programmers that never used an IDE. >>>>>> >>>>>> IDEs only support limited ways of building things. Far better to >>>>>> have a >>>>>> general-purpose editor, like Emacs, that is capable of driving any >>>>>> build >>>>>> system. >>>>> >>>>> A good IDE can do things like set breakpoints in the source code, start >>>>> the application in debug mode, and run a line a time, while examining >>>>> the variables (even writing into the variables). >>>>> >>>>> Not in the debugger, but in the IDE. >>>> >>>> Launch the debugger from within an editor window. Simples. >>> >>> That's not it. I don't want to launch the debugger. >> >> Look, I understand that you are happy without a fully featured IDE. But >> similarly, I am asking you to accept that I am not happy without a fully >> featured IDE. > > Yes. And I think you are right. But we should also sort things a bit. > An IDE is something completely different than an editor, of course. > It's a thing where typically tons of different features are combined > and _strongly interconnected_ to offer an integrated user experience. > That's a strength of IDEs, and a weakness. What LDO was implicitly > trying to point out was (I think) that it's good to have tools that > have a clear task (you don't pay for things that you don't want) and > a flexible interface (to make use of _powerful_ components). The tool > or IDE designers, for example, could provide a setting where you can > choose the (integrated) components. An editing interface, for example, > is quite simple and clear, and it would in principle be possible to > use any editor (per user setting) also in an IDE; for the interacting > features you'd just need a (typically small) "adapter layer". In fact > there's quite some well designed tools that allow to use own editors. > The advantages are multifold; it's not only that you can use for the > individual features specialized components - components that do their > respective job much better than any IDE-built-in re-implementation of > a feature (or a "clone"). During the decades of my IT practice I used > IDEs twice. The problems I had with them was, for one, that I had to > use exactly what was supported by the IDE, and use of any powerful > tools to efficiently perform tasks that I was used to was impossible > or overly cumbersome by clumsy workarounds. For someone who is used > to do _arbitrarily complex_ editing functions in an _efficient_ way > (with powerful editors) it's really a pain to work with common IDEs. > But many people I observed were doing quite _primitive editing_; they > don't know better given all the GUI based primitive editors that we > typically often find as inferior ad hoc editing (re-)implementation > and that folks got used to. With IDEs it's often just a mouse orgy of > clicking things together in a mixture of mouse/menu and text input, > no editing any more. The efficiency of keyboard(-only) input (e.g. in > editors) has to be compensated by other means (like auto-completion). > I think that's one reason why the opinions are so strong and why the > permeability from one group/type of users/programmers to the other > is so difficult. I'd only have wished that folks who speak about the > pros and cons [of IDEs and powerful editors] would not be completely > ignorant and full of prejudice; ignorance AND prejudice is a very bad > (and in Real Life topics even dangerous) combination. > >> Both things are true for many programmers. > > Janis > > PS (as an aside): While IDEs usually try to increase their feature > set for a yet better support of their dedicated tasks Emacs is often > [humorously] despised (especially by Vi users) as not being an editor > but more of an IDE. Or an operating system :-D -- Cheers, Carlos.
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Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Herbert Kleebauer <klee@unibwm.de> - 2025-01-15 11:42 +0100
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-15 11:28 +0000
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Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-15 18:10 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-01-15 22:15 +0100
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid> - 2025-01-16 14:29 +0100
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-15 13:36 +0100
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-15 18:10 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-16 23:08 +0100
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Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-17 18:37 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-18 14:33 +0100
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-15 09:04 -0500
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Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-15 20:03 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-15 16:00 -0500
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-16 02:16 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-18 06:47 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-18 09:09 -0500
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Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-18 13:55 -0500
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-01-18 20:15 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-18 21:19 +0100
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-18 20:55 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-18 23:29 +0100
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-19 00:44 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-19 03:50 +0100
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-19 03:56 +0100
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-01-19 09:43 +0100
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-19 14:16 +0100
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-19 21:27 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Eric Pozharski <apple.universe@posteo.net> - 2025-01-22 17:57 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-19 08:18 -0500
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-20 01:13 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-20 01:15 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-20 14:00 +0100
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-21 04:48 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-21 13:28 +0100
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-21 08:39 -0500
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-01-21 14:00 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-22 00:09 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-18 16:56 -0500
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-01-18 21:57 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-18 17:40 -0500
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-18 23:33 +0100
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-18 20:54 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-18 20:50 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-18 17:36 -0500
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-19 00:46 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-01-19 10:00 +0100
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-19 21:16 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-20 03:04 +0000
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Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-21 04:47 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-01-21 07:41 +0100
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-22 00:11 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-01-22 11:48 +0100
Strange questions (Was: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)?) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2025-01-22 13:13 +0000
Re: Strange questions (Was: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)?) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-22 19:54 +0000
Re: Strange questions (Was: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)?) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-22 22:25 +0000
Re: Strange questions (Was: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)?) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-23 04:29 +0000
Re: Strange questions (Was: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)?) Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-23 08:20 -0500
Re: Strange questions (Was: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)?) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-23 21:02 +0000
Re: Strange questions (Was: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)?) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-23 22:18 +0000
Re: Strange questions (Was: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)?) Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> - 2025-01-24 00:25 +0100
Re: Strange questions (Was: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)?) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-23 23:35 +0000
Re: Strange questions (Was: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)?) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-23 23:48 +0000
Re: Strange questions (Was: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)?) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-24 00:48 +0000
Re: Strange questions (Was: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)?) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-01-24 11:30 +0100
Re: Strange questions (Was: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)?) Frank Miller <miller@posteo.ee> - 2025-01-24 00:49 +0100
Re: Strange questions (Was: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)?) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-01-24 10:40 +0100
Re: Strange questions (Was: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)?) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-24 18:03 +0000
Re: Strange questions (Was: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)?) Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-24 18:14 +0000
Re: Strange questions (Was: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)?) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-01-25 14:22 +0100
Re: Strange questions (Was: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)?) "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-25 14:39 +0100
Re: Strange questions (Was: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)?) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-01-25 17:48 +0100
Re: Strange questions (Was: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)?) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-01-23 23:46 +0000
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-16 15:05 +0100
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Newyana2 <newyana@invalid.nospam> - 2025-01-16 11:08 -0500
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-01-16 23:03 +0100
Re: How to edit HTML source file on Windows in one step (not two)? Marion <marion@facts.com> - 2025-01-24 01:07 +0000
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