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Re: ThunderMail is coming soon

From	VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.software.thunderbird, alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject	Re: ThunderMail is coming soon
Date	2025-04-23 00:27 -0500
Organization	Usenet Elder
Message-ID	<mal2pdx1v6gy.dlg@v.nguard.lh> (permalink)
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Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
> 
>> GDPR ruined DNS lookups by requiring redaction of registrants.  Trying
>> to get contact info on a domain registrant to alert them to a problem
>> with their web site becomes much more difficult.  Yeah, they want to
>> provide a publicly accessible web site, but the registrant wants to
>> hide.  Thanks GDPR ... not!
> 
> Can't say that I've noticed any such problem  -  I just use Whois  - 
> so I suspect that this is just another example of someone from the
> other side of the pond having an uninformed opinion against the EU
> and its legislation.  

I meant domain lookups, not DNS lookups.  When did you last do a WhoIs
lookup on a domain?  You get a privatized domain registration where the
registrar pretends they are the registrant (IANA requires someone be
identified as the registrant), or a registrant that is redacted, because
the registrar follows GDPR rules.

As for WhoIs, yes, that is what I'm talking about: look at a domain's
registration which is required by IANA to provide contact information on
/some/ registrant.

To get around IANA's requirement, some registrars provided a private
registration service at an extra fee.  The registrant in the domain
registration was the registrar instead of the actual registrant.  Then
came the GDPR where registrants could request their registrant data to
get redacted, or the registrar did it en masse.  So, when you lookup the
domain registration, you got shit for registrant info.

The primary impetus for hiding the registrant info was because there
were spammers that would lookup up domain registrations to see which
ones were about to expire, and offer their registration service.
Registrants didn't want to get the spam, so they wanted to hide their
identification in the domain registration records.  With privatized
registration, the registrar was identified as the registrant.  The
registrar handled the "renew your domain with us" spam.  The whole point
of privatized registration was to hide the real registrant.  

The solution was extremely simple: use an e-mail address specifying and
only for domain registration with your registrar.  Create an e-mail
account for just domain registration notifications, and add a filter
that accepted e-mails only from your registrar, so all other messages
get immediately discard on delivery.  You could identify yourself as the
registrant, and even give postal addresses (since spammers don't pay for
a stamp to send spam).

Then later came the GDPR where registrants could hide without having to
pay extra for privatized registration.  The registrant info got redacted
to point at a registrar, or one of their services, like e-mail addresses
that pointed back to the registrar.

https://www.whois.com/whois/domaintools.com

is registered with TuCows, and says the registrant is:

https://tieredaccess.com/contact/eceac3b1-4ae2-4ab0-a2d8-f7647c12c66b

but:

https://www.whois.com/whois/tieredaccess.com

shows that domain is TuCows, the registrar.  The domaintools.com
registration hides the actual registrant, and the purported registrant
is the registrar whose domain lookup is not redacted for registrant
info.

Sorry to those who suggest a web site should provide contact
information.  Yeah, like that really works ... NOT!  Rare few sites
provide contact information.  Instead they may provide a web form to
contact them.  Or worse is they push some AI chat bot at you that is of
no help at all, and worthless to report problems to the website.

Oh yes, send an e-mail to webmaster@<domain> or postmaster@<domain>.
Most often those are bit buckets to automatically discard those
messages.  Those that suggest this method haven't tried it.  The success
rate is about the same as firing a .22 rifle while blindfolded at a
pinata from a quarter mile away.

It's not just small fry that get to hide it's their web site.  Huge
corporations do it, too.  So, why continue with bogus domain
registration records that do not identify the registrant?  None of the
other remaining information is of any value.  All you're left with
nowadays is to see when a domain got registered, when last updated, and
when it expires.  The whole point of WhoIS was neutered by privatized
domain registrations, and then by the GDPR.  So, just get rid of all
domain lookups, and leave everyone in the dark who is operating a web
site since that is effectively what WhoIs has become: nearly worthless.

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