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  Win8 Networking is Down rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 09:49 -0400
    Re: Win8 Networking is Down Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2015-08-17 07:47 -0700
      Re: Win8 Networking is Down Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 16:18 +0100
        Re: Win8 Networking is Down Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-17 10:43 -0500
        Re: Win8 Networking is Down DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-08-17 11:50 -0400
      Re: Win8 Networking is Down rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 14:04 -0400
        Re: Win8 Networking is Down Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> - 2015-08-17 11:45 -0700
          Re: Win8 Networking is Down rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 15:41 -0400
        Re: Win8 Networking is Down DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-08-17 19:05 -0400
    Re: Win8 Networking is Down "John Smith" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-17 11:12 -0400
      Re: Win8 Networking is Down rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 14:24 -0400
        Re: Win8 Networking is Down Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 22:08 +0100
          Re: Win8 Networking is Down rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 22:20 -0400
        Re: Win8 Networking is Down "John Smith" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-17 20:31 -0400
        Re: Win8 Networking is Down "John Smith" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-17 22:54 -0400
    Re: Win8 Networking is Down Martin Riddle <martin_ridd@verizon.net> - 2015-08-17 20:35 -0400
      Re: Win8 Networking is Down rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-17 22:35 -0400
    Re: Win8 Networking is Down Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-08-18 05:43 -0500
      Re: Win8 Networking is Down rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 09:19 -0400
        Re: Win8 Networking is Down DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-08-18 09:34 -0400
        Re: Win8 Networking is Down Les Cargill <lcargill99@comcast.com> - 2015-08-18 12:12 -0500
        Re: Win8 Networking is Down Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2015-08-18 19:24 -0700
    Re: Win8 Networking is Down rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 14:01 -0400
      Re: Win8 Networking is Down M Philbrook <jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> - 2015-09-02 18:33 -0400
        Re: Win8 Networking is Down rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 18:41 -0400
          Re: Win8 Networking is Down Martin Riddle <martin_ridd@verizon.net> - 2015-09-02 19:28 -0400
      Re: Win8 Networking is Down krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-09-02 19:49 -0400
        Re: Win8 Networking is Down Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2015-09-02 20:12 -0400
        Re: Win8 Networking is Down rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 20:38 -0400
          Re: Win8 Networking is Down krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-09-02 21:34 -0400
            Re: Win8 Networking is Down rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 23:42 -0400
              Re: Win8 Networking is Down krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2015-09-03 20:03 -0400
    Re: Win8 Networking is Down rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 23:30 -0400
      Re: Win8 Networking is Down rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 18:59 -0400
        Re: Win8 Networking is Down Robert Baer <robertbaer@localnet.com> - 2015-09-10 01:57 -0700
          Re: Win8 Networking is Down DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> - 2015-09-10 05:13 -0400
          Re: Win8 Networking is Down rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 15:54 -0400

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#21

rickman wrote:
> On 8/18/2015 6:43 AM, Les Cargill wrote:
>> rickman wrote:
>>> I've been having problems lately where my internet connection would go
>>> bad after a day or so.  I would reset the connecting using the commands
>>>
>>> netsh winsock reset catalog
>>> netsh int ip reset c:\reset.log
>>>
>>> I'd reboot and it would work again.  Then I discovered that just
>>> rebooting would fix the problem.  But the problem started showing up
>>> more often.  More recently I've found that just disabling and reenabling
>>> the WiFi adapter will fix the problem.  Finally the problem returns
>>> after just seconds.  I can check email one time successfully (only if I
>>> am quick) then it goes bad again.
>>>
>>> I am able to access newsgroups using Thunderbird and the networking
>>> trouble shooter finds the connection to be working properly.  Email
>>> works once in a great while, but mostly doesn't make a connection.
>>> FireFox does not even report a problem, it just blinks and keeps the
>>> default page up.  Chrome will show Google results, but other pages are
>>> reported as down.  A ping to 8.8.8.8 returns a valid response in 22 ms
>>> most of the time, sometimes up to 100 ms.
>>>
>>> I've also reset the router and cable modem.  Netflix works fine on the
>>> Sony box and other users can access the internet.
>>>
>>> I am at a loss on how to even proceed troubleshooting this.
>>>
>>
>> This may not be possible, but....
>>
>> I keep a couple of older Linksys routers loaded with DD-WRT
>> around. One of them actually works on DHCP ( on the other,
>> you have to use a fixed IP address on the computer ).
>>
>> This will tell you if the problem is only with the WiFi path
>> or also with the copper path.
>>
>> There will be pain as you must provide power to the router.
>>
>> Second:
>>
>> It might be worth burning a Knoppix Live DVD and booting
>> that to see if the problem persists using the onboard WiFi
>> hardware but with a different O/S.
>
> That might be hard to get useful info from.

If the Linksys fixes it, then look to the WiFi hardware and drivers for 
the Wifi adapter.

If it doesn't do it under Knoppix with the WiFi adapter, then
it's drivers/software.

> Right now the existing
> computer seems to be working 100%.  It's been good for better part of a
> day now.  This is frustrating.
>

I am sure it is.

-- 
Les Cargill

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#22

rickman wrote:
> On 8/18/2015 6:43 AM, Les Cargill wrote:
>> rickman wrote:
>>> I've been having problems lately where my internet connection would go
>>> bad after a day or so. I would reset the connecting using the commands
>>>
>>> netsh winsock reset catalog
>>> netsh int ip reset c:\reset.log
>>>
>>> I'd reboot and it would work again. Then I discovered that just
>>> rebooting would fix the problem. But the problem started showing up
>>> more often. More recently I've found that just disabling and reenabling
>>> the WiFi adapter will fix the problem. Finally the problem returns
>>> after just seconds. I can check email one time successfully (only if I
>>> am quick) then it goes bad again.
>>>
>>> I am able to access newsgroups using Thunderbird and the networking
>>> trouble shooter finds the connection to be working properly. Email
>>> works once in a great while, but mostly doesn't make a connection.
>>> FireFox does not even report a problem, it just blinks and keeps the
>>> default page up. Chrome will show Google results, but other pages are
>>> reported as down. A ping to 8.8.8.8 returns a valid response in 22 ms
>>> most of the time, sometimes up to 100 ms.
>>>
>>> I've also reset the router and cable modem. Netflix works fine on the
>>> Sony box and other users can access the internet.
>>>
>>> I am at a loss on how to even proceed troubleshooting this.
>>>
>>
>> This may not be possible, but....
>>
>> I keep a couple of older Linksys routers loaded with DD-WRT
>> around. One of them actually works on DHCP ( on the other,
>> you have to use a fixed IP address on the computer ).
>>
>> This will tell you if the problem is only with the WiFi path
>> or also with the copper path.
>>
>> There will be pain as you must provide power to the router.
>>
>> Second:
>>
>> It might be worth burning a Knoppix Live DVD and booting
>> that to see if the problem persists using the onboard WiFi
>> hardware but with a different O/S.
>
> That might be hard to get useful info from. Right now the existing
> computer seems to be working 100%. It's been good for better part of a
> day now. This is frustrating.
>
   You mean M$ finally got your monthly dues check?

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#23

On 8/17/2015 9:49 AM, rickman wrote:
> I've been having problems lately where my internet connection would go
> bad after a day or so.  I would reset the connecting using the commands
>
> netsh winsock reset catalog
> netsh int ip reset c:\reset.log
>
> I'd reboot and it would work again.  Then I discovered that just
> rebooting would fix the problem.  But the problem started showing up
> more often.  More recently I've found that just disabling and reenabling
> the WiFi adapter will fix the problem.  Finally the problem returns
> after just seconds.  I can check email one time successfully (only if I
> am quick) then it goes bad again.
>
> I am able to access newsgroups using Thunderbird and the networking
> trouble shooter finds the connection to be working properly.  Email
> works once in a great while, but mostly doesn't make a connection.
> FireFox does not even report a problem, it just blinks and keeps the
> default page up.  Chrome will show Google results, but other pages are
> reported as down.  A ping to 8.8.8.8 returns a valid response in 22 ms
> most of the time, sometimes up to 100 ms.
>
> I've also reset the router and cable modem.  Netflix works fine on the
> Sony box and other users can access the internet.
>
> I am at a loss on how to even proceed troubleshooting this.

I have been dealing with this issue for some weeks now.  The problem 
reached bottom and improved for awhile so that it was largely usable 
only requiring a reset of the wifi adapter a couple of times per day. 
Now it is back to not working much and I am barely able to post to 
newsgroups using T'bird and email only works very sporadically.

I tried an Ethernet cable with no different results.  When I check email 
I get the error "no buffer space available (10055)". I can do  Google 
search using Chrome, but can't reach any of the results.  I'll likely 
pull out my netbook and complete the searches, but I'm getting tired of 
this and will likely look into buying a new laptop.  The problem with 
that is most, if not all of the newer non-low end laptops have 
"features" I don't like.  I'm having to use a mouse with this one 
because it has one of those buttonless touchpads that don't work for me. 
  I rest my thumb on the buttons when using the touchpad which makes the 
touchpad work wonky.  It is just too kludgy to be moving my fingers off 
and on the button area to be facile.  There are many other problems with 
this machine so that I'm fed up with it anyway.  The whole power thing 
is crap with sleep requiring reboot to wake up some percentage of the 
time and hibernate mucking up to require a power cycle to regain control.

While I'm ranting, does it seem kinda crazy that a wireless mouse and 
keyboard interface isn't built into laptops?  I guess that is a feature 
  only used by a small percentage of uses but costing at least $5.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the ultra crappy keyboard on this 
stinking laptop which double enters at the drop of a hat.  This is so 
bad that my space bar is the most frequently used button by an order of 
magnitude I expect.  These days anytime I say "Lenovo" I have to spit!

To top it all off I have a customer jerking me around with "hurry up" 
orders.  Not easy to deal with when email doesn't work.

-- 

Rick

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#24

In article <ms7de1$6h1$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says...
> time and hibernate mucking up to require a power cycle to regain control.
> 
> While I'm ranting, does it seem kinda crazy that a wireless mouse and 
> keyboard interface isn't built into laptops?  I guess that is a feature 
>   only used by a small percentage of uses but costing at least $5.
> 
> Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the ultra crappy keyboard on this 
> stinking laptop which double enters at the drop of a hat.  This is so 
> bad that my space bar is the most frequently used button by an order of 
> magnitude I expect.  These days anytime I say "Lenovo" I have to spit!
> 
> To top it all off I have a customer jerking me around with "hurry up" 
> orders.  Not easy to deal with when email doesn't work.
> 
> -- 
> 
> 

 You have a program that is running that is failing to connect or 
process some sockets, it's filling up the stack.
 
 If you are operating a router, make sure you don't have another PC that 
went to sleep before it completed some network session. I have a PC that
if it goes to sleep while haning with some packets, it'll fill up the 
NAT in the router and all other PC's become very slow in network 
responses, at times may even time out. Bring that sleepy PC back to 
life usually clears the issue or rebooting the router to clear the NAT 
table.
  
 Packet bombing is the most common trick, DoS.. 

Check for funning programs operating.

Jamie

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#25

On 9/2/2015 6:33 PM, M Philbrook wrote:
> In article <ms7de1$6h1$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says...
>> time and hibernate mucking up to require a power cycle to regain control.
>>
>> While I'm ranting, does it seem kinda crazy that a wireless mouse and
>> keyboard interface isn't built into laptops?  I guess that is a feature
>>    only used by a small percentage of uses but costing at least $5.
>>
>> Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the ultra crappy keyboard on this
>> stinking laptop which double enters at the drop of a hat.  This is so
>> bad that my space bar is the most frequently used button by an order of
>> magnitude I expect.  These days anytime I say "Lenovo" I have to spit!
>>
>> To top it all off I have a customer jerking me around with "hurry up"
>> orders.  Not easy to deal with when email doesn't work.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>   You have a program that is running that is failing to connect or
> process some sockets, it's filling up the stack.
>
>   If you are operating a router, make sure you don't have another PC that
> went to sleep before it completed some network session. I have a PC that
> if it goes to sleep while haning with some packets, it'll fill up the
> NAT in the router and all other PC's become very slow in network
> responses, at times may even time out. Bring that sleepy PC back to
> life usually clears the issue or rebooting the router to clear the NAT
> table.
>
>   Packet bombing is the most common trick, DoS..
>
> Check for funning programs operating.

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying.  Do you mean an external 
router?  Or do you mean using the PC as a router?  Yes, I use an 
external router.  The only PC I know of that sleeps is mine when I ask 
it to, not automatically.  I can't check my router because the 
networking problem won't let me see the page provided by the router. 
Tried both Chrome and FF.

My roommate here has an iPhone which seems to work ok on the same router 
and when I was at another location I had problems while others did not. 
  I have tried rebooting the routers at both locations with no improvement.

-- 

Rick

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#26

On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 18:41:29 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 9/2/2015 6:33 PM, M Philbrook wrote:
>> In article <ms7de1$6h1$1@dont-email.me>, gnuarm@gmail.com says...
>>> time and hibernate mucking up to require a power cycle to regain control.
>>>
>>> While I'm ranting, does it seem kinda crazy that a wireless mouse and
>>> keyboard interface isn't built into laptops?  I guess that is a feature
>>>    only used by a small percentage of uses but costing at least $5.
>>>
>>> Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the ultra crappy keyboard on this
>>> stinking laptop which double enters at the drop of a hat.  This is so
>>> bad that my space bar is the most frequently used button by an order of
>>> magnitude I expect.  These days anytime I say "Lenovo" I have to spit!
>>>
>>> To top it all off I have a customer jerking me around with "hurry up"
>>> orders.  Not easy to deal with when email doesn't work.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>
>>   You have a program that is running that is failing to connect or
>> process some sockets, it's filling up the stack.
>>
>>   If you are operating a router, make sure you don't have another PC that
>> went to sleep before it completed some network session. I have a PC that
>> if it goes to sleep while haning with some packets, it'll fill up the
>> NAT in the router and all other PC's become very slow in network
>> responses, at times may even time out. Bring that sleepy PC back to
>> life usually clears the issue or rebooting the router to clear the NAT
>> table.
>>
>>   Packet bombing is the most common trick, DoS..
>>
>> Check for funning programs operating.
>
>I'm not sure I understand what you are saying.  Do you mean an external 
>router?  Or do you mean using the PC as a router?  Yes, I use an 
>external router.  The only PC I know of that sleeps is mine when I ask 
>it to, not automatically.  I can't check my router because the 
>networking problem won't let me see the page provided by the router. 
>Tried both Chrome and FF.
>
>My roommate here has an iPhone which seems to work ok on the same router 
>and when I was at another location I had problems while others did not. 
>  I have tried rebooting the routers at both locations with no improvement.

Your dropout on the WIFI is a common WIN8 problem BTW.

Cheers

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#27

On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 14:01:04 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

>While I'm ranting, does it seem kinda crazy that a wireless mouse and 
>keyboard interface isn't built into laptops?  I guess that is a feature 
>  only used by a small percentage of uses but costing at least $5.

My mice are very happy with my laptops.  My work laptop needs a
donglet but both my laptop and tablet work quite well without.  
>
>Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the ultra crappy keyboard on this 
>stinking laptop which double enters at the drop of a hat.  This is so 
>bad that my space bar is the most frequently used button by an order of 
>magnitude I expect.  These days anytime I say "Lenovo" I have to spit!

The only brand I'll buy.

>To top it all off I have a customer jerking me around with "hurry up" 
>orders.  Not easy to deal with when email doesn't work.

You only have one Internet capable device?

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#28

On 9/2/2015 7:49 PM, krw wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 14:01:04 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> While I'm ranting, does it seem kinda crazy that a wireless mouse and
>> keyboard interface isn't built into laptops?  I guess that is a feature
>>   only used by a small percentage of uses but costing at least $5.
>
> My mice are very happy with my laptops.  My work laptop needs a
> donglet but both my laptop and tablet work quite well without.
>>
>> Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the ultra crappy keyboard on this
>> stinking laptop which double enters at the drop of a hat.  This is so
>> bad that my space bar is the most frequently used button by an order of
>> magnitude I expect.  These days anytime I say "Lenovo" I have to spit!
>
> The only brand I'll buy.

Me too, but only up to the T4xx generation.  I have a whole bunch of 
those.  After that Lenovo got way too cute about rootkits and MITM 
attacks on their own customers.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs


-- 
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

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#29

On 9/2/2015 7:49 PM, krw wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 14:01:04 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> While I'm ranting, does it seem kinda crazy that a wireless mouse and
>> keyboard interface isn't built into laptops?  I guess that is a feature
>>   only used by a small percentage of uses but costing at least $5.
>
> My mice are very happy with my laptops.  My work laptop needs a
> donglet but both my laptop and tablet work quite well without.

Not sure what that means.  Are you using a cabled mouse or a bluetooth 
mouse?  I haven't used Bluetooth a lot, but when I do it has problems 
more frequently that I expect.  The touchpad is turned off to prevent 
palm wipes from messing things up and I would have to dig out another 
mouse to debug a Bluetooth mouse issue.  Also, the selection of 
Bluetooth mice is a lot less than others.


>> Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the ultra crappy keyboard on this
>> stinking laptop which double enters at the drop of a hat.  This is so
>> bad that my space bar is the most frequently used button by an order of
>> magnitude I expect.  These days anytime I say "Lenovo" I have to spit!
>
> The only brand I'll buy.
>
>> To top it all off I have a customer jerking me around with "hurry up"
>> orders.  Not easy to deal with when email doesn't work.
>
> You only have one Internet capable device?

A netbook, which is what I use to try to research not being about to 
connect to the Internet.  I use a mail client and don't like to go 
around that.  I use it as a data base for communications and sending 
email from a web client messes up how it works for those emails.

My board test fixture controller program opens a socket to a telnet 
window as a debug display.  When I first got this computer it would not 
connect to the durn telnet display no matter what.  I got a lot of 
advice on debugging including wireshark and never got it working.  This 
thing is just possessed.

-- 

Rick

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#30

On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 20:38:32 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 9/2/2015 7:49 PM, krw wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 14:01:04 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> While I'm ranting, does it seem kinda crazy that a wireless mouse and
>>> keyboard interface isn't built into laptops?  I guess that is a feature
>>>   only used by a small percentage of uses but costing at least $5.
>>
>> My mice are very happy with my laptops.  My work laptop needs a
>> donglet but both my laptop and tablet work quite well without.
>
>Not sure what that means.  Are you using a cabled mouse or a bluetooth 
>mouse?

Bluetooth.

>I haven't used Bluetooth a lot, but when I do it has problems 
>more frequently that I expect. 

I had a lot of trouble with USB decades back, too.  Bluetooth seems to
work quite well, these days.

>The touchpad is turned off to prevent 
>palm wipes from messing things up and I would have to dig out another 
>mouse to debug a Bluetooth mouse issue.

I have the touchpads turned off on my ThinkPads, too, but they have
tracksticks.  I haven't had any issues with Bluetooth in a long time,
though.  I guess I have to power cycle a headset to get it to attach,
once in a while.  Once it's going it's reliable, though.

>  Also, the selection of 
>Bluetooth mice is a lot less than others.

Less, sure, but there is a good selection, including some top of the
line mice and some not so top.


>
>
>>> Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the ultra crappy keyboard on this
>>> stinking laptop which double enters at the drop of a hat.  This is so
>>> bad that my space bar is the most frequently used button by an order of
>>> magnitude I expect.  These days anytime I say "Lenovo" I have to spit!
>>
>> The only brand I'll buy.
>>
>>> To top it all off I have a customer jerking me around with "hurry up"
>>> orders.  Not easy to deal with when email doesn't work.
>>
>> You only have one Internet capable device?
>
>A netbook, which is what I use to try to research not being about to 
>connect to the Internet.  I use a mail client and don't like to go 
>around that.  I use it as a data base for communications and sending 
>email from a web client messes up how it works for those emails.

Are you using POP? IMAP works much better on multiple devices.  Even
with POP, I would just copy myself on outgoing emails if I was sending
them from another device.  With IMAP, I can use my tablet or laptop,
and even my cell phone though it's a PITA to send email on it.
>
>My board test fixture controller program opens a socket to a telnet 
>window as a debug display.  When I first got this computer it would not 
>connect to the durn telnet display no matter what.  I got a lot of 
>advice on debugging including wireshark and never got it working.  This 
>thing is just possessed.

I've had very good luck with Lenovo, though the resolution on my X21T
display is too low to be really useful as a laptop.  I don't use it
much as a laptop anymore.  The tablet is just too easy to carry and
has a much better display (though much worse keyboard).
  

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#32

On 9/2/2015 9:34 PM, krw wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 20:38:32 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/2/2015 7:49 PM, krw wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 14:01:04 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> While I'm ranting, does it seem kinda crazy that a wireless mouse and
>>>> keyboard interface isn't built into laptops?  I guess that is a feature
>>>>    only used by a small percentage of uses but costing at least $5.
>>>
>>> My mice are very happy with my laptops.  My work laptop needs a
>>> donglet but both my laptop and tablet work quite well without.
>>
>> Not sure what that means.  Are you using a cabled mouse or a bluetooth
>> mouse?
>
> Bluetooth.
>
>> I haven't used Bluetooth a lot, but when I do it has problems
>> more frequently that I expect.
>
> I had a lot of trouble with USB decades back, too.  Bluetooth seems to
> work quite well, these days.
>
>> The touchpad is turned off to prevent
>> palm wipes from messing things up and I would have to dig out another
>> mouse to debug a Bluetooth mouse issue.
>
> I have the touchpads turned off on my ThinkPads, too, but they have
> tracksticks.  I haven't had any issues with Bluetooth in a long time,
> though.  I guess I have to power cycle a headset to get it to attach,
> once in a while.  Once it's going it's reliable, though.

I use a bluetooth speaker and every once in awhile the Bluetooth stack 
gets so messed up I have to disable the adapter or something.  It is 
just infrequent enough that I never remember what to do to straighten it 
out.  I'm not willing to give the Bluetooth mouse a try since I can't 
find any that I have confidence in.


>>   Also, the selection of
>> Bluetooth mice is a lot less than others.
>
> Less, sure, but there is a good selection, including some top of the
> line mice and some not so top.

At microcenter it is something like 30:1.  I found two or three 
Bluetooth mice and literally many dozen others.


>>>> Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the ultra crappy keyboard on this
>>>> stinking laptop which double enters at the drop of a hat.  This is so
>>>> bad that my space bar is the most frequently used button by an order of
>>>> magnitude I expect.  These days anytime I say "Lenovo" I have to spit!
>>>
>>> The only brand I'll buy.
>>>
>>>> To top it all off I have a customer jerking me around with "hurry up"
>>>> orders.  Not easy to deal with when email doesn't work.
>>>
>>> You only have one Internet capable device?
>>
>> A netbook, which is what I use to try to research not being about to
>> connect to the Internet.  I use a mail client and don't like to go
>> around that.  I use it as a data base for communications and sending
>> email from a web client messes up how it works for those emails.
>
> Are you using POP? IMAP works much better on multiple devices.  Even
> with POP, I would just copy myself on outgoing emails if I was sending
> them from another device.  With IMAP, I can use my tablet or laptop,
> and even my cell phone though it's a PITA to send email on it.

I tried IMAP once and the outbound emails don't get duplicated.  CCing 
myself doesn't give me an email that shows as outbound and so makes it 
harder to search for.  It also makes the files on the two machines 
different.  One has it's outbound copies as well as the received copies 
and the other vice versa.


>> My board test fixture controller program opens a socket to a telnet
>> window as a debug display.  When I first got this computer it would not
>> connect to the durn telnet display no matter what.  I got a lot of
>> advice on debugging including wireshark and never got it working.  This
>> thing is just possessed.
>
> I've had very good luck with Lenovo, though the resolution on my X21T
> display is too low to be really useful as a laptop.  I don't use it
> much as a laptop anymore.  The tablet is just too easy to carry and
> has a much better display (though much worse keyboard).

This Lenovo is pure crap.  The worst keyboard I've ever seen anywhere, 
display is HD but has poor view-ability anywhere but dead center.  That 
is so bad, the difference in angle between the top and bottom makes part 
of the screen hard to see on some movies.  It runs hot, can't find it's 
own battery, crashes if I try to use sleep mode and the list goes on.  I 
paid about $800 for this POS.

I guess tomorrow I'll get a low end machine just to have something to 
get by with.  I'd like to get something with a decent touchpad but 
nearly all of them have no mouse buttons these days.

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Rick

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#33

On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 23:42:25 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 9/2/2015 9:34 PM, krw wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 20:38:32 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/2/2015 7:49 PM, krw wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2 Sep 2015 14:01:04 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> While I'm ranting, does it seem kinda crazy that a wireless mouse and
>>>>> keyboard interface isn't built into laptops?  I guess that is a feature
>>>>>    only used by a small percentage of uses but costing at least $5.
>>>>
>>>> My mice are very happy with my laptops.  My work laptop needs a
>>>> donglet but both my laptop and tablet work quite well without.
>>>
>>> Not sure what that means.  Are you using a cabled mouse or a bluetooth
>>> mouse?
>>
>> Bluetooth.
>>
>>> I haven't used Bluetooth a lot, but when I do it has problems
>>> more frequently that I expect.
>>
>> I had a lot of trouble with USB decades back, too.  Bluetooth seems to
>> work quite well, these days.
>>
>>> The touchpad is turned off to prevent
>>> palm wipes from messing things up and I would have to dig out another
>>> mouse to debug a Bluetooth mouse issue.
>>
>> I have the touchpads turned off on my ThinkPads, too, but they have
>> tracksticks.  I haven't had any issues with Bluetooth in a long time,
>> though.  I guess I have to power cycle a headset to get it to attach,
>> once in a while.  Once it's going it's reliable, though.
>
>I use a bluetooth speaker and every once in awhile the Bluetooth stack 
>gets so messed up I have to disable the adapter or something.  It is 
>just infrequent enough that I never remember what to do to straighten it 
>out.  I'm not willing to give the Bluetooth mouse a try since I can't 
>find any that I have confidence in.

I haven't had any real problems with BT in ages.As I said, one set of
headphones doesn't attach once in a dozen times but a power cycle
fixes it.  But if you want to keep using dongles, or cords, have at
it.  
>
>>>   Also, the selection of
>>> Bluetooth mice is a lot less than others.
>>
>> Less, sure, but there is a good selection, including some top of the
>> line mice and some not so top.
>
>At microcenter it is something like 30:1.  I found two or three 
>Bluetooth mice and literally many dozen others.

As many mice that are on the market, even 30:1 would still leave
thousands to choose from.  ;-)
>
>>>>> Oh yeah, I almost forgot about the ultra crappy keyboard on this
>>>>> stinking laptop which double enters at the drop of a hat.  This is so
>>>>> bad that my space bar is the most frequently used button by an order of
>>>>> magnitude I expect.  These days anytime I say "Lenovo" I have to spit!
>>>>
>>>> The only brand I'll buy.
>>>>
>>>>> To top it all off I have a customer jerking me around with "hurry up"
>>>>> orders.  Not easy to deal with when email doesn't work.
>>>>
>>>> You only have one Internet capable device?
>>>
>>> A netbook, which is what I use to try to research not being about to
>>> connect to the Internet.  I use a mail client and don't like to go
>>> around that.  I use it as a data base for communications and sending
>>> email from a web client messes up how it works for those emails.
>>
>> Are you using POP? IMAP works much better on multiple devices.  Even
>> with POP, I would just copy myself on outgoing emails if I was sending
>> them from another device.  With IMAP, I can use my tablet or laptop,
>> and even my cell phone though it's a PITA to send email on it.
>
>I tried IMAP once and the outbound emails don't get duplicated.  CCing 
>myself doesn't give me an email that shows as outbound and so makes it 
>harder to search for.  It also makes the files on the two machines 
>different.  One has it's outbound copies as well as the received copies 
>and the other vice versa.

If you want outbound emails duplicated, use an Exchange server. That's
one reason businesses use it.  IMAP does what I need though.
>
>>> My board test fixture controller program opens a socket to a telnet
>>> window as a debug display.  When I first got this computer it would not
>>> connect to the durn telnet display no matter what.  I got a lot of
>>> advice on debugging including wireshark and never got it working.  This
>>> thing is just possessed.
>>
>> I've had very good luck with Lenovo, though the resolution on my X21T
>> display is too low to be really useful as a laptop.  I don't use it
>> much as a laptop anymore.  The tablet is just too easy to carry and
>> has a much better display (though much worse keyboard).
>
>This Lenovo is pure crap.  The worst keyboard I've ever seen anywhere, 
>display is HD but has poor view-ability anywhere but dead center.  That 
>is so bad, the difference in angle between the top and bottom makes part 
>of the screen hard to see on some movies.  It runs hot, can't find it's 
>own battery, crashes if I try to use sleep mode and the list goes on.  I 
>paid about $800 for this POS.

What model is that?  I love my tablet, though its keyboard sucks.  YOY
do they keep moving keys?!


>I guess tomorrow I'll get a low end machine just to have something to 
>get by with.  I'd like to get something with a decent touchpad but 
>nearly all of them have no mouse buttons these days.

I much prefer a track-stick, which most Lenovo laptops have.

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#31

On 8/17/2015 9:49 AM, rickman wrote:
> I've been having problems lately where my internet connection would go
> bad after a day or so.  I would reset the connecting using the commands
>
> netsh winsock reset catalog
> netsh int ip reset c:\reset.log
>
> I'd reboot and it would work again.  Then I discovered that just
> rebooting would fix the problem.  But the problem started showing up
> more often.  More recently I've found that just disabling and reenabling
> the WiFi adapter will fix the problem.  Finally the problem returns
> after just seconds.  I can check email one time successfully (only if I
> am quick) then it goes bad again.
>
> I am able to access newsgroups using Thunderbird and the networking
> trouble shooter finds the connection to be working properly.  Email
> works once in a great while, but mostly doesn't make a connection.
> FireFox does not even report a problem, it just blinks and keeps the
> default page up.  Chrome will show Google results, but other pages are
> reported as down.  A ping to 8.8.8.8 returns a valid response in 22 ms
> most of the time, sometimes up to 100 ms.
>
> I've also reset the router and cable modem.  Netflix works fine on the
> Sony box and other users can access the internet.
>
> I am at a loss on how to even proceed troubleshooting this.

I found a web page with some info on the 10055 "no buffer space 
available" error and they say to use the command netstat -o to see what 
process is using "resources".  The only two processes listed are 0 and 4 
which are system interrupts and system respectively.  WTF?

-- 

Rick

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#34

On 9/2/2015 11:30 PM, rickman wrote:
> On 8/17/2015 9:49 AM, rickman wrote:
>> I've been having problems lately where my internet connection would go
>> bad after a day or so.  I would reset the connecting using the commands
>>
>> netsh winsock reset catalog
>> netsh int ip reset c:\reset.log
>>
>> I'd reboot and it would work again.  Then I discovered that just
>> rebooting would fix the problem.  But the problem started showing up
>> more often.  More recently I've found that just disabling and reenabling
>> the WiFi adapter will fix the problem.  Finally the problem returns
>> after just seconds.  I can check email one time successfully (only if I
>> am quick) then it goes bad again.
>>
>> I am able to access newsgroups using Thunderbird and the networking
>> trouble shooter finds the connection to be working properly.  Email
>> works once in a great while, but mostly doesn't make a connection.
>> FireFox does not even report a problem, it just blinks and keeps the
>> default page up.  Chrome will show Google results, but other pages are
>> reported as down.  A ping to 8.8.8.8 returns a valid response in 22 ms
>> most of the time, sometimes up to 100 ms.
>>
>> I've also reset the router and cable modem.  Netflix works fine on the
>> Sony box and other users can access the internet.
>>
>> I am at a loss on how to even proceed troubleshooting this.
>
> I found a web page with some info on the 10055 "no buffer space
> available" error and they say to use the command netstat -o to see what
> process is using "resources".  The only two processes listed are 0 and 4
> which are system interrupts and system respectively.  WTF?

I am able to get email once in awhile just as I am able to get the 
newsgroups once in awhile.  My mail program routinely checked two email 
addresses and sometimes connects on one only.  I find I can manually 
check the other one as well, but only by itself.  Seems there is 
occasionally enough buffer space for either one, but very seldom both 
and most of the time neither.  I guess something is sucking up all the 
"buffer space" so that the browsers don't work at all and the programs 
that send and receive small amounts of data can work sometimes.

If I could properly back up the system, I would try the Windows "repair" 
option.

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Rick

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#35

rickman wrote:
> On 9/2/2015 11:30 PM, rickman wrote:
>> On 8/17/2015 9:49 AM, rickman wrote:
>>> I've been having problems lately where my internet connection would go
>>> bad after a day or so. I would reset the connecting using the commands
>>>
>>> netsh winsock reset catalog
>>> netsh int ip reset c:\reset.log
>>>
>>> I'd reboot and it would work again. Then I discovered that just
>>> rebooting would fix the problem. But the problem started showing up
>>> more often. More recently I've found that just disabling and reenabling
>>> the WiFi adapter will fix the problem. Finally the problem returns
>>> after just seconds. I can check email one time successfully (only if I
>>> am quick) then it goes bad again.
>>>
>>> I am able to access newsgroups using Thunderbird and the networking
>>> trouble shooter finds the connection to be working properly. Email
>>> works once in a great while, but mostly doesn't make a connection.
>>> FireFox does not even report a problem, it just blinks and keeps the
>>> default page up. Chrome will show Google results, but other pages are
>>> reported as down. A ping to 8.8.8.8 returns a valid response in 22 ms
>>> most of the time, sometimes up to 100 ms.
>>>
>>> I've also reset the router and cable modem. Netflix works fine on the
>>> Sony box and other users can access the internet.
>>>
>>> I am at a loss on how to even proceed troubleshooting this.
>>
>> I found a web page with some info on the 10055 "no buffer space
>> available" error and they say to use the command netstat -o to see what
>> process is using "resources". The only two processes listed are 0 and 4
>> which are system interrupts and system respectively. WTF?
>
> I am able to get email once in awhile just as I am able to get the
> newsgroups once in awhile. My mail program routinely checked two email
> addresses and sometimes connects on one only. I find I can manually
> check the other one as well, but only by itself. Seems there is
> occasionally enough buffer space for either one, but very seldom both
> and most of the time neither. I guess something is sucking up all the
> "buffer space" so that the browsers don't work at all and the programs
> that send and receive small amounts of data can work sometimes.
>
> If I could properly back up the system, I would try the Windows "repair"
> option.
>
   Get another HD, connect to the computer (as Primary Slave, NOT via 
USB), and use Parted Magic; fastest HD COPY available.
   Networking will slow it down.

   You want a COPY not a mickey-mouse "image" which cannot be used on 
its own. All "backups" make some kind of "image" that are useless on 
their own, and _demand_ use of special recovery/restore software that 
complicates thins,slows down things, and requires EXACTLY the same 
version used for the so-called "backup".
   "Image" and "backup" crap programs may be on the "imaged"/"backed-up" 
drive and no where else - leading to a very expensive and useless HD and 
you up the creek without a boat, a paddle or the river.

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#36

On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 01:57:01 -0700, Robert Baer
<robertbaer@localnet.com> Gave us:

>>
>   Get another HD, connect to the computer (as Primary Slave, NOT via 
>USB), and use Parted Magic; fastest HD COPY available.
>   Networking will slow it down.

  You're an idiot.  Only old  legacy gear idiots like you still have IDE
drives and 'master/slave' issues.  SATA I/O subsystems do not.  AND even
on those old systems, there are usually more than one IDE channel, so no
need to put a drive onto your main OS chain to start with.

  AND USB works fine and the fastest copy is from within a linux session
using command line "dd" copy commands.  And the utility you proposed is
a PURCHASED product.  How quaint.  How stupid of you to use it or
suggest it.
>
>   You want a COPY not a mickey-mouse "image" which cannot be used on 
>its own. All "backups" make some kind of "image" that are useless on 
>their own, and _demand_ use of special recovery/restore software that 
>complicates thins,slows down things, and requires EXACTLY the same 
>version used for the so-called "backup".

  Wow..  You actually got one thing right today....  so far.

>   "Image" and "backup" crap programs may be on the "imaged"/"backed-up" 
>drive and no where else - leading to a very expensive and useless HD and 
>you up the creek without a boat, a paddle or the river.

  That retarded remark had no technical value at all.

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#37

On 9/10/2015 4:57 AM, Robert Baer wrote:
> rickman wrote:
>> On 9/2/2015 11:30 PM, rickman wrote:
>>> On 8/17/2015 9:49 AM, rickman wrote:
>>>> I've been having problems lately where my internet connection would go
>>>> bad after a day or so. I would reset the connecting using the commands
>>>>
>>>> netsh winsock reset catalog
>>>> netsh int ip reset c:\reset.log
>>>>
>>>> I'd reboot and it would work again. Then I discovered that just
>>>> rebooting would fix the problem. But the problem started showing up
>>>> more often. More recently I've found that just disabling and reenabling
>>>> the WiFi adapter will fix the problem. Finally the problem returns
>>>> after just seconds. I can check email one time successfully (only if I
>>>> am quick) then it goes bad again.
>>>>
>>>> I am able to access newsgroups using Thunderbird and the networking
>>>> trouble shooter finds the connection to be working properly. Email
>>>> works once in a great while, but mostly doesn't make a connection.
>>>> FireFox does not even report a problem, it just blinks and keeps the
>>>> default page up. Chrome will show Google results, but other pages are
>>>> reported as down. A ping to 8.8.8.8 returns a valid response in 22 ms
>>>> most of the time, sometimes up to 100 ms.
>>>>
>>>> I've also reset the router and cable modem. Netflix works fine on the
>>>> Sony box and other users can access the internet.
>>>>
>>>> I am at a loss on how to even proceed troubleshooting this.
>>>
>>> I found a web page with some info on the 10055 "no buffer space
>>> available" error and they say to use the command netstat -o to see what
>>> process is using "resources". The only two processes listed are 0 and 4
>>> which are system interrupts and system respectively. WTF?
>>
>> I am able to get email once in awhile just as I am able to get the
>> newsgroups once in awhile. My mail program routinely checked two email
>> addresses and sometimes connects on one only. I find I can manually
>> check the other one as well, but only by itself. Seems there is
>> occasionally enough buffer space for either one, but very seldom both
>> and most of the time neither. I guess something is sucking up all the
>> "buffer space" so that the browsers don't work at all and the programs
>> that send and receive small amounts of data can work sometimes.
>>
>> If I could properly back up the system, I would try the Windows "repair"
>> option.
>>
>    Get another HD, connect to the computer (as Primary Slave, NOT via
> USB), and use Parted Magic; fastest HD COPY available.
>    Networking will slow it down.
>
>    You want a COPY not a mickey-mouse "image" which cannot be used on
> its own. All "backups" make some kind of "image" that are useless on
> their own, and _demand_ use of special recovery/restore software that
> complicates thins,slows down things, and requires EXACTLY the same
> version used for the so-called "backup".
>    "Image" and "backup" crap programs may be on the "imaged"/"backed-up"
> drive and no where else - leading to a very expensive and useless HD and
> you up the creek without a boat, a paddle or the river.

So how does Parted Magic work?  Do I need to dedicate a drive to being a 
"copy"?

-- 

Rick

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