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  Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2017-10-26 19:41 -0200
    Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-10-26 22:50 +0100
      Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2017-10-27 00:00 +0200
    Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] Mark Carson <Mark3324@noway.com> - 2017-10-26 21:14 -0400
      Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2017-10-27 10:32 +0100
        Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2017-10-27 20:55 +0700
          Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-10-27 10:17 -0400
            Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2017-10-28 10:15 +0700
          Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2017-10-27 11:17 -0400
            Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2017-10-27 17:05 +0100
        Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] Mark Carson <Mark3324@noway.com> - 2017-10-27 19:12 -0400

#13 — Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K]

On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 15:28:29 -0400, Mark Carson <Mark3324@noway.com>
wrote:

>The attached image includes two Properties screenshots, the left from Win 7 
>Pro (Mac + Parallels) and the right from Win 7 Enterprise on a 
>company-supplied Dell. I'd like to obtain the level of detail of the 
>Enterprise shot -- is there an add-on, or is that a feature of Enterprise?
>
>Or, is there an add-on to Sierra Finder that would get me these additional 
>details? (Moving to High Sierra next week.)
>Thanks.

	Enterprise:
	"Your data boldly goes where no data has gone before".

	Or ... you can just "upgrade" to Win 10.
	[]'s

	As to your post, I have no idea. Hint: post a link to images
in text-only groups, not the actual images.
-- 
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy  - Google 2012

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#14

On 26/10/2017 22:41, Shadow wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 15:28:29 -0400, Mark Carson <Mark3324@noway.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> The attached image includes two Properties screenshots, the left from Win 7
>> Pro (Mac + Parallels) and the right from Win 7 Enterprise on a
>> company-supplied Dell. I'd like to obtain the level of detail of the
>> Enterprise shot -- is there an add-on, or is that a feature of Enterprise?
>>
>> Or, is there an add-on to Sierra Finder that would get me these additional
>> details? (Moving to High Sierra next week.)
>> Thanks.
> 
> 	Enterprise:
> 	"Your data boldly goes where no data has gone before".
> 
> 	Or ... you can just "upgrade" to Win 10.
> 	[]'s
> 
> 	As to your post, I have no idea. Hint: post a link to images
> in text-only groups, not the actual images.

What on earth makes you think this is a "text-only group"?

It isn't! :-P

-- 
“Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick 
themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.” (Winston S. 
Churchill)

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#15

On 26-10-2017 23:50, David B. wrote:
> On 26/10/2017 22:41, Shadow wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 15:28:29 -0400, Mark Carson <Mark3324@noway.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The attached image includes two Properties screenshots, the left from Win 7
>>> Pro (Mac + Parallels) and the right from Win 7 Enterprise on a
>>> company-supplied Dell. I'd like to obtain the level of detail of the
>>> Enterprise shot -- is there an add-on, or is that a feature of Enterprise?
>>>
>>> Or, is there an add-on to Sierra Finder that would get me these additional
>>> details? (Moving to High Sierra next week.)
>>> Thanks.
>>
>> 	Enterprise:
>> 	"Your data boldly goes where no data has gone before".
>>
>> 	Or ... you can just "upgrade" to Win 10.
>> 	[]'s
>>
>> 	As to your post, I have no idea. Hint: post a link to images
>> in text-only groups, not the actual images.
>
> What on earth makes you think this is a "text-only group"?
>
> It isn't! :-P
>
My isp is kicking your but and your attached pics.

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#16

On Oct 26, 2017, Shadow wrote
(in article<gal4vc9c64gmm1fop3fufebgkdtrknohdt@4ax.com>):

> On Thu, 26 Oct 2017 15:28:29 -0400, Mark Carson<Mark3324@noway.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The attached image includes two Properties screenshots, the left from Win 7
> > Pro (Mac + Parallels) and the right from Win 7 Enterprise on a
> > company-supplied Dell. I'd like to obtain the level of detail of the
> > Enterprise shot -- is there an add-on, or is that a feature of Enterprise?
> >
> > Or, is there an add-on to Sierra Finder that would get me these additional
> > details? (Moving to High Sierra next week.)
> > Thanks.
>
> Enterprise:
> "Your data boldly goes where no data has gone before".
>
> Or ... you can just "upgrade" to Win 10.
> []'s
>
> As to your post, I have no idea. Hint: post a link to images
> in text-only groups, not the actual images.

Images work for me. I’m using Hogwasher for Mac. If it matters.

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#17

In message <0001HW.1FA2BFFF0002BB9470000F1F92CF@east.AltBinaries.com>, 
Mark Carson <Mark3324@noway.com> writes:
>On Oct 26, 2017, Shadow wrote
>(in article<gal4vc9c64gmm1fop3fufebgkdtrknohdt@4ax.com>):
[]
>> As to your post, I have no idea. Hint: post a link to images
>> in text-only groups, not the actual images.
>
>Images work for me. I’m using Hogwasher for Mac. If it matters.
>
>
It doesn't matter what you're using, more what news server you're on, 
and how that connects to others to pass on the posts to the rest of the 
world. From your headers, I _think_ you're posting through something 
called AllBinaries.com; with a name like that, it wouldn't surprise me 
if you - and probably other users of AllBinaries - can see your images; 
however, when other newsservers accept posts from AllBinaries to pass on 
to the rest of the world, attachments (including images) will be 
dropped, where the newsgroup isn't a binary one. (And many newsservers 
around the world - especially the free ones like eternal-september - [a] 
only handle text-only newsgroups, [b] don't accept attachments in 
those.)
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

As we journey through life, discarding baggage along the way, we should keep
an iron grip, to the very end, on the capacity for silliness. It preserves the
soul from desiccation. - Humphrey Lyttelton quoted by Barry Cryer in Radio
Times 10-16 November 2012

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#18

On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:32:03 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>
> It doesn't matter what you're using, more what news server you're on, 
> and how that connects to others to pass on the posts to the rest of the 
> world. From your headers, I _think_ you're posting through something 
> called AllBinaries.com; with a name like that, it wouldn't surprise me 
> if you - and probably other users of AllBinaries - can see your images; 
> however, when other newsservers accept posts from AllBinaries to pass on 
> to the rest of the world, attachments (including images) will be 
> dropped, where the newsgroup isn't a binary one. (And many newsservers 
> around the world - especially the free ones like eternal-september - [a] 
> only handle text-only newsgroups, [b] don't accept attachments in 
> those.)

I wonder why news clients don't provide a (sneaky) workaround for this. i.e.
provide an vendor specific (non standard) method to send binary data using
UUEncode, Base64, etc. but with non standard header+footer marker lines.
Like below GIF image.

-+*= uniqueId; 1/1; base64; "test image.gif" =*+-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-+*= uniqueId; 1/1; base64; "test image.gif" =*+-

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#19

On 2017-10-27 09:55, JJ wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:32:03 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>>
>> It doesn't matter what you're using, more what news server you're on,
>> and how that connects to others to pass on the posts to the rest of the
>> world. From your headers, I _think_ you're posting through something
>> called AllBinaries.com; with a name like that, it wouldn't surprise me
>> if you - and probably other users of AllBinaries - can see your images;
>> however, when other newsservers accept posts from AllBinaries to pass on
>> to the rest of the world, attachments (including images) will be
>> dropped, where the newsgroup isn't a binary one. (And many newsservers
>> around the world - especially the free ones like eternal-september - [a]
>> only handle text-only newsgroups, [b] don't accept attachments in
>> those.)
> 
> I wonder why news clients don't provide a (sneaky) workaround for this. i.e.
> provide an vendor specific (non standard) method to send binary data using
> UUEncode, Base64, etc. but with non standard header+footer marker lines.
> Like below GIF image.
> 
> -+*= uniqueId; 1/1; base64; "test image.gif" =*+-
> R0lGODlhyAB+AMQAAM3V5e3w9sXO4dzi7dXc6eXp8vn6/PT1+crS4+ru9PL0+OLm8Nje6
> t/k7v39/tTa6Nvg7Pb4+tHY5/7+/+/y9+js8/v8/fj5+/z8/cfQ4s/X5uzv9cvT5MzU5P
> ///8TN4CH5BAAAAAAALAAAAADIAH4AAAX/4CeOZGmeaKqubOu+cCzPdG3feK7vfO//wKB
> wSCwaj8ikcslsOp/QqHRKrVptAgABMmhcv2AbAhK4ODxoTyLMbqc4jEp6jl647+5OIULv
> U/CAVxIFfYVoAIGJUQN8hoYDipFLC46VaBqSmUQMGJaeDJqhPQgHnqZqoqk3A6etFxmqs
> TABrbUeBLK5KRkGtrZeusEiHb7Fa8K5GsXLf8iqHMvRx86hZ9HLENSalNfRAtqS3dd24I
> ms4tHliRTo0YjqeL3txcDwbQjzy9P2Ycr5vgr4tSHwz9cBgWwIFqxlAWGYBgtrYfjm8Aq
> 3iKYsUKxY5SJGSxo5WvH40VFIkVRI/5YsdBKlFJUr6bR0CQViTJMbaT55cNPRRJ1RFPbs
> cwFo0KGFDhrdibSP0qVNiDWd8xTqEn9T0Wyw2gRA1jRbuS7JYC1rWLFJyH71UADtkk5fs
> 7k9IgDChLUBOswtksHC2jly9waR+hdNW8FB1Bb2UA/xD3mFcTkGUmoxh8lAEiz2gBmIzb
> 8YOv8QuraZaB7QCh8+zWMxJNY87v59AJtHo7Xvauc499WAbh4bvjrA9HtH5aYSivMgNBW
> Wch2ke0Z4vgNf033Ub9zuCSp7DuZDveuQgHS6+ByybwY+b0NOT+fsbXi9GTA+ju0fJdu3
> wSBm0f04KLBSbgDWIEB6C61WoP8N4C20YA79ReTAgziQF1F9FNZg4ULmZUhDhAtN4GENn
> xUk4ogzNFhQTii6oBlGerUIg4AY0SbjCxd8tN6NKhz4kYI87lISdkGWkAED7HyEQQPEFV
> mCiiXB56QISd7U5JQflBVTd1gKgFQFWIoQ3Uq+heneUCwG6RdSrzmJ1VBV8cgAZEglcNm
> NA2iZVQBXPpgBTGspoB+AHdCyWR8WtMkeAzQe6sgCd2a3wJqOekJBn7Bp8GKltUTQmGgM
> 4MdpLRMkgABmAAA6KkBcuvVAo6u2Y0EBUhqVQQN6xppPADbqBIChupZ0wacOMRosUguci
> hAEdB47VF722OXsX9BqQ0BPs9N+BSYyAlSZ7WatxjLmt4sFkIuq5P41kyZQpnuoA2kqAo
> G7ujakSWr0xkpkIMflu2pykYDo76r/KQLrwKMCHEgGCAe7bSC8NTzqhEGEAAA7
> -+*= uniqueId; 1/1; base64; "test image.gif" =*+-
> 

... which doesn't show as an image here. IOW, the receiving client would 
have to be able to recognise the trick. This one doesn't.

-- 
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
"Wanted. Schrödinger’s Cat. Dead and Alive."

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#25

On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:17:57 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
> 
> .... which doesn't show as an image here. IOW, the receiving client would 
> have to be able to recognise the trick. This one doesn't.

Which is why I've mentioned it as vendor specific and non standard. i.e.
application specific.

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#20

JJ wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:32:03 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>> It doesn't matter what you're using, more what news server you're on, 
>> and how that connects to others to pass on the posts to the rest of the 
>> world. From your headers, I _think_ you're posting through something 
>> called AllBinaries.com; with a name like that, it wouldn't surprise me 
>> if you - and probably other users of AllBinaries - can see your images; 
>> however, when other newsservers accept posts from AllBinaries to pass on 
>> to the rest of the world, attachments (including images) will be 
>> dropped, where the newsgroup isn't a binary one. (And many newsservers 
>> around the world - especially the free ones like eternal-september - [a] 
>> only handle text-only newsgroups, [b] don't accept attachments in 
>> those.)
> 
> I wonder why news clients don't provide a (sneaky) workaround for this

This falls under the general topic of

    "What if I abuse USENET, what then?"

type questions. It depends on the extent of the abuse, whether
the abuse costs money, whether the abuse completely obliterates
ordinary conversations, and so on.

When some moron pointed his movie-posting software at a text-only
newsgroup, he was cut off at the knees in a day or two.

The servers don't use AI. They use a tool called "cleanfeed"
for some purposes. For example, you might notice an absence of
Chinese knockoff sneaker adverts, and cleanfeed had some
common terms included in it as a filter.

As for ultimate tricks, steganography is a method of transmitting
information (sparsely) within ordinary looking messages. And it's
unlikely to be filterable. Only the level of traffic (hammering)
or the like, might trip a filter on the server. But steganography
has a relatively low data rate, and USENET posters aren't
patient enough for such to pay off.

Any time you abuse a text-only group, by posting images in it,
if the method is "persistent", they can and will write a filter.
Sometimes it takes months, for someone in the cabal to write
a cancelbot, to stomp on certain kinds of abuse (floods). But
eventually, the pool of server admins, someone will be
interested enough in it, to stop it.

When the movie-twits tried to abuse Howard (howardknight archive),
Howard simply truncated large messages, ruining the archive and making
it absolutely useless... And this is why we can't have
nice things. Because you kids keep jumping on the sofa.
The OPs post did make it to Howard, but... it got truncated,
so I wasn't able to fetch it from there. And of course,
Google removed the OPs post. The original post is not in
the groups.google.com archive.

If you abuse USENET, at the very least you should expect
un-even propagation of your attack. If you post text on a
text-only text group, it should get through. If you use
custom encoding in messages, it'll get through on Monday,
but will it work on Tuesday ? Ask Jeff Relf how that worked
out. (That's the Relf we can't see, because he's in outer
space.)

    Paul

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#21

In message <osvime$co8$1@dont-email.me>, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> 
writes:
>JJ wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:32:03 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[]
>>>binary one. (And many newsservers  around the world - especially the 
>>>free ones like eternal-september - [a]  only handle text-only 
>>>newsgroups, [b] don't accept attachments in  those.)
>>  I wonder why news clients don't provide a (sneaky) workaround for 
>>this
>
>This falls under the general topic of
>
>   "What if I abuse USENET, what then?"
>
>type questions. It depends on the extent of the abuse, whether
>the abuse costs money, whether the abuse completely obliterates
>ordinary conversations, and so on.
>
>When some moron pointed his movie-posting software at a text-only
>newsgroup, he was cut off at the knees in a day or two.

Yes; text-only 'groups aren't text-only out of spite or an attempt to 
control: they're text-only to keep the total volume down. (Remember that 
news posts are downloaded many times.) Given that many news servers are 
free (I _still_ don't get the business model, but it obviously works), 
and others cheap (such as the Berlin one), this is significant.
[]
>Any time you abuse a text-only group, by posting images in it,
>if the method is "persistent", they can and will write a filter.
>Sometimes it takes months, for someone in the cabal to write
>a cancelbot, to stomp on certain kinds of abuse (floods). But
>eventually, the pool of server admins, someone will be
>interested enough in it, to stop it.

To stop it by filter, that is. The offending poster will be blocked 
somewhat sooner, in most cases, I suspect!
>
>When the movie-twits tried to abuse Howard (howardknight archive),
>Howard simply truncated large messages, ruining the archive and making
>it absolutely useless... And this is why we can't have
>nice things. Because you kids keep jumping on the sofa.

Nicely put (-:
[]
-- 
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The losses on both sides at Borodino [1812], 70 miles from Moscow, are the
equivalent of a jumbo jet crashing into an area of six square miles every five
minutes for the whole ten hours of the battle, killing or wounding everyone on
board. - Andrew Roberts on Napoleon, RT 2015/6/13-19

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#22

On Oct 27, 2017, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote
(in article <eB3Hy2fT0v8ZFwMi@soft255.demon.co.uk>):

> In message<0001HW.1FA2BFFF0002BB9470000F1F92CF@east.AltBinaries.com>,
> Mark Carson <Mark3324@noway.com>  writes:
> > On Oct 26, 2017, Shadow wrote
> > (in article<gal4vc9c64gmm1fop3fufebgkdtrknohdt@4ax.com>):
> []
> > > As to your post, I have no idea. Hint: post a link to images
> > > in text-only groups, not the actual images.
> >
> > Images work for me. I’m using Hogwasher for Mac. If it matters.
> It doesn't matter what you're using, more what news server you're on,
> and how that connects to others to pass on the posts to the rest of the
> world. From your headers, I _think_ you're posting through something
> called AllBinaries.com; with a name like that, it wouldn't surprise me
> if you - and probably other users of AllBinaries - can see your images;
> however, when other newsservers accept posts from AllBinaries to pass on
> to the rest of the world, attachments (including images) will be
> dropped, where the newsgroup isn't a binary one. (And many newsservers
> around the world - especially the free ones like eternal-september - [a]
> only handle text-only newsgroups, [b] don't accept attachments in
> those.)

Johnny Carson: I did not know that. And yes, AltBinaries.

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