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JJ wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 10:32:03 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>> It doesn't matter what you're using, more what news server you're on, 
>> and how that connects to others to pass on the posts to the rest of the 
>> world. From your headers, I _think_ you're posting through something 
>> called AllBinaries.com; with a name like that, it wouldn't surprise me 
>> if you - and probably other users of AllBinaries - can see your images; 
>> however, when other newsservers accept posts from AllBinaries to pass on 
>> to the rest of the world, attachments (including images) will be 
>> dropped, where the newsgroup isn't a binary one. (And many newsservers 
>> around the world - especially the free ones like eternal-september - [a] 
>> only handle text-only newsgroups, [b] don't accept attachments in 
>> those.)
> 
> I wonder why news clients don't provide a (sneaky) workaround for this

This falls under the general topic of

    "What if I abuse USENET, what then?"

type questions. It depends on the extent of the abuse, whether
the abuse costs money, whether the abuse completely obliterates
ordinary conversations, and so on.

When some moron pointed his movie-posting software at a text-only
newsgroup, he was cut off at the knees in a day or two.

The servers don't use AI. They use a tool called "cleanfeed"
for some purposes. For example, you might notice an absence of
Chinese knockoff sneaker adverts, and cleanfeed had some
common terms included in it as a filter.

As for ultimate tricks, steganography is a method of transmitting
information (sparsely) within ordinary looking messages. And it's
unlikely to be filterable. Only the level of traffic (hammering)
or the like, might trip a filter on the server. But steganography
has a relatively low data rate, and USENET posters aren't
patient enough for such to pay off.

Any time you abuse a text-only group, by posting images in it,
if the method is "persistent", they can and will write a filter.
Sometimes it takes months, for someone in the cabal to write
a cancelbot, to stomp on certain kinds of abuse (floods). But
eventually, the pool of server admins, someone will be
interested enough in it, to stop it.

When the movie-twits tried to abuse Howard (howardknight archive),
Howard simply truncated large messages, ruining the archive and making
it absolutely useless... And this is why we can't have
nice things. Because you kids keep jumping on the sofa.
The OPs post did make it to Howard, but... it got truncated,
so I wasn't able to fetch it from there. And of course,
Google removed the OPs post. The original post is not in
the groups.google.com archive.

If you abuse USENET, at the very least you should expect
un-even propagation of your attack. If you post text on a
text-only text group, it should get through. If you use
custom encoding in messages, it'll get through on Monday,
but will it work on Tuesday ? Ask Jeff Relf how that worked
out. (That's the Relf we can't see, because he's in outer
space.)

    Paul

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Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] Shadow <Sh@dow.br> - 2017-10-26 19:41 -0200
  Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] "David B." <DavidB@nomail.afraid.invalid> - 2017-10-26 22:50 +0100
    Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] Sjouke Burry <burrynulnulfour@ppllaanneett.nnll> - 2017-10-27 00:00 +0200
  Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] Mark Carson <Mark3324@noway.com> - 2017-10-26 21:14 -0400
    Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2017-10-27 10:32 +0100
      Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2017-10-27 20:55 +0700
        Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] Wolf K <wolfmac@sympatico.ca> - 2017-10-27 10:17 -0400
          Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2017-10-28 10:15 +0700
        Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2017-10-27 11:17 -0400
          Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG-255@255soft.uk> - 2017-10-27 17:05 +0100
      Re: Different Property - Details between Win7Pro and Enterprise - Capture.PNG (1/1) [106K] Mark Carson <Mark3324@noway.com> - 2017-10-27 19:12 -0400

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