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Re: USA backcountry hike from Mount Madonna to Loma Prieta involving 2 topographic geoPDF quadrangles and iOS/Android plus GPX tracks & waypoints

From Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com>
Newsgroups sci.geo.satellite-nav, comp.text.pdf, alt.comp.microsoft.windows
Subject Re: USA backcountry hike from Mount Madonna to Loma Prieta involving 2 topographic geoPDF quadrangles and iOS/Android plus GPX tracks & waypoints
Date 2022-01-08 20:29 +0000
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On Sat, 08 Jan 2022 10:15:27 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> As to coverage on interstates, there are gaps on T-Mobile that don't 
>> exist on AT&T or Verizon, such as I-80 in most of Nebraska, 
> 
> that is simply false.

Is Nebraska still a state?

It's interesting how Steve is flailing to find the worst places on the 
planet (like Death Valley) to cherry pick (What's next? Siberia?).

Still... this is a thread about COVERAGE, and specifically COVERAGE 
COMPARISONS, so let's take an objective look at those vaunted coverage maps.

Looking it up, this first hit (from August 2021) explains how lousy the FCC 
coverage maps really are (they don't take into account _any_ 5G for 
example).
 *FCC Puts Out Its First Mobile Coverage Maps: Why They Differ From Carrier
Maps*

<https://www.pcmag.com/news/fcc-puts-out-its-first-mobile-coverage-maps-why-they-differ-from-carrier>

The FCC maps are calculated based on voluntary information provided to them 
(that does not include 5G data) by each of the carriers. 
 "The FCC knows where the towers are, which frequencies are being used, 
  and what the terrain is like. Using mathematical modeling, the commission
  projects coverage at distances from towers and put it on its maps. 
  So this [i.e., an FCC map] isn't on-the-ground measurement."

Still, the FCC maps should be better than nothing, right?

While the article brings up a "huge hole" in T-Mobile 4G coverage in one 
area of Upper New York State and some "potential holes" in AT&T's coverage 
in similar areas, the authors rationalize that the FCC maps don't show _any_ 
T-Mobile 5G nor even any of AT&T's 3G coverage anywhere, so we have to take 
_all_ the FCC maps with a grain of salt (as they're not the true story).

Yikes. That sucks.

Worse perhaps, the article says that the carriers' own maps are also 
incorrect in that the article claims the carrier 4G coverage maps tend to 
show greater coverage than the 4G coverage that actually exists.

OK. That sucks even more.

Anyone well educated and logical can see what that means, not the least of 
it being that PC Magazine is prepping us for their actual tests around the 
country being more accurate for the areas they tested than either the 
calculated FCC 4G-only FCC maps or the optimistic carrier coverage maps.

As an interesting flip of what Steve said, it may very well be that the only 
accurate measurements are _not_ the crappy FCC maps (which omit 5G 
apparently, and even 3G) nor the even crappier carrier maps (which are 
apparently overly optimistic), but the actual real world tests in the wild.

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