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  Funny problem with my USB stick Jeffrey Needle <jeff.needle@gmail.com> - 2015-12-25 23:27 -0800
    Re: Funny problem with my USB stick "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 16:33 +0800
      Re: Funny problem with my USB stick Jeffrey Needle <jeff.needle@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 01:05 -0800
        Re: Funny problem with my USB stick "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 18:10 +0800
        Re: Funny problem with my USB stick Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-12-26 10:29 -0500
        Re: Funny problem with my USB stick »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2015-12-26 09:45 -0600
          Re: Funny problem with my USB stick Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-12-26 11:01 -0500
            Re: Funny problem with my USB stick »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2015-12-26 19:04 -0600
              Re: Funny problem with my USB stick Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-12-26 20:21 -0500
                Re: Funny problem with my USB stick Jeffrey Needle <jeff.needle@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 02:39 -0800
                Re: Funny problem with my USB stick »Q« <boxcars@gmx.net> - 2015-12-27 15:15 -0600
                  Re: Funny problem with my USB stick Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-12-27 16:37 -0500
    Re: Funny problem with my USB stick Yrrah <Yrrah-acf@acf.invalid> - 2015-12-26 14:24 +0100
      Re: Funny problem with my USB stick Jon Danniken <jonSPAMdanniken@yaSMPAhoo.com> - 2015-12-26 06:38 -0800
    Re: Funny problem with my USB stick Jon Danniken <jonSPAMdanniken@yaSMPAhoo.com> - 2015-12-26 06:34 -0800
    Re: Funny problem with my USB stick Mark Warner <mhwarner.inhibitions@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 10:21 -0500
      Re: Funny problem with my USB stick "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 23:38 +0800
      Re: Funny problem with my USB stick Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-12-26 10:59 -0500
        Re: Funny problem with my USB stick Yrrah <Yrrah-acf@acf.invalid> - 2015-12-26 17:48 +0100
          Re: Funny problem with my USB stick Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-12-26 11:54 -0500
            Re: Funny problem with my USB stick Jeffrey Needle <jeff.needle@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 09:09 -0800
              Re: Funny problem with my USB stick Jeffrey Needle <jeff.needle@gmail.com> - 2015-12-26 09:10 -0800
            Re: Funny problem with my USB stick Yrrah <Yrrah-acf@acf.invalid> - 2015-12-26 18:11 +0100
              Re: Funny problem with my USB stick Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-12-26 12:35 -0500
                Re: Funny problem with my USB stick Yrrah <Yrrah-acf@acf.invalid> - 2015-12-26 18:39 +0100
          Re: Funny problem with my USB stick "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-12-26 18:23 +0100
            Re: Funny problem with my USB stick Yrrah <Yrrah-acf@acf.invalid> - 2015-12-26 18:33 +0100
              Re: Funny problem with my USB stick "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2015-12-26 21:00 +0100
            Re: Funny problem with my USB stick Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> - 2015-12-26 12:37 -0500

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#251075 — Funny problem with my USB stick

Hi.  A very strange problem.  I have a USB stick that I decided to 
reformat using gparted.  It's a 4 gig stick.  I deleted all the 
partitions on the stick, created a new ext4 partition.  Everything 
looked like it was working fine.

The stick mounts nicely.  I want to use it to make a backup of my 
.thunderbird hidden directory.  I copy the directory, go to the stick, 
try to paste it, but "Paste" is grayed out in the drop-down menu.

I thought maybe i needed to pen the file manager as root.  I did. 
Still, "Paste" is grayed out.

So, did I make a real goof by choosing ext4 as the file system for the 
stick?  Or is there something else going on?

Using MX15, 64-bit.  Lovely distro, as mentioned previously!

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#251079

On 12/26/2015 3:27 PM, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
> The stick mounts nicely.  I want to use it to make a backup of my
> .thunderbird hidden directory.  I copy the directory, go to the stick,
> try to paste it, but "Paste" is grayed out in the drop-down menu.
>
> I thought maybe i needed to pen the file manager as root.  I did. Still,
> "Paste" is grayed out.

Wrong permission/owner for the mount point?

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#251080

On 12/26/2015 12:33 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 12/26/2015 3:27 PM, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
>> The stick mounts nicely.  I want to use it to make a backup of my
>> .thunderbird hidden directory.  I copy the directory, go to the stick,
>> try to paste it, but "Paste" is grayed out in the drop-down menu.
>>
>> I thought maybe i needed to pen the file manager as root.  I did. Still,
>> "Paste" is grayed out.
>
> Wrong permission/owner for the mount point?
>

Sigh.  No idea how to check this out.  I've looked on line and it looks 
very complicated.  Is there an easy way to do this?  Thanks.

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#251081

On 12/26/2015 5:05 PM, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
>
> Sigh.  No idea how to check this out.  I've looked on line and it looks
> very complicated.  Is there an easy way to do this?  Thanks.
>

Post the output of the following commands:

whoami
ls -lad /mnt_usb_mount_point
cd /mnt_usb_mount_point
ls -la

Um... Are you also using selinux? It may be related.

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#251088

On 12/26/2015 04:05 AM, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
> On 12/26/2015 12:33 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>> On 12/26/2015 3:27 PM, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
>>> The stick mounts nicely.  I want to use it to make a backup of my
>>> .thunderbird hidden directory.  I copy the directory, go to the stick,
>>> try to paste it, but "Paste" is grayed out in the drop-down menu.
>>>
>>> I thought maybe i needed to pen the file manager as root.  I did. Still,
>>> "Paste" is grayed out.
>>
>> Wrong permission/owner for the mount point?
>>
>
> Sigh.  No idea how to check this out.  I've looked on line and it looks
> very complicated.  Is there an easy way to do this?  Thanks.
>

Sounds like root has ownership of the usb drive.
I'm not familiar with MX15 and do not know what file manager 
MX15 uses. Thus I am asking if you can open your file 
manager then right click on the usb 
drive>properties>permissions, look at who owns the drive, 
user or root.
If the permissions are for root and you want them to be user 
then you will need to open your file manager as root then 
right click on the usb drive click on properties>permissions 
and you will be able to change the permissions to user.
Also in your file manager if you right click on the file you 
want to copy is there a copy to choice? Easier then copy paste.
If you want to leave root as owner then you will have to 
transfer files as root each time which will make root owner 
of the file on the usb drive. Then if you want to copy it 
back to your hard drive you will have to change it's 
permission back to user to be able to use it.

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Caver1

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#251090

On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 01:05:07 -0800
Jeffrey Needle <jeff.needle@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 12/26/2015 12:33 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> > On 12/26/2015 3:27 PM, Jeffrey Needle wrote:  
> >> The stick mounts nicely.  I want to use it to make a backup of my
> >> .thunderbird hidden directory.  I copy the directory, go to the
> >> stick, try to paste it, but "Paste" is grayed out in the drop-down
> >> menu.
> >>
> >> I thought maybe i needed to pen the file manager as root.  I did.
> >> Still, "Paste" is grayed out.  
> >
> > Wrong permission/owner for the mount point?
> >  
> 
> Sigh.  No idea how to check this out.  I've looked on line and it
> looks very complicated.  Is there an easy way to do this?  Thanks.

Instead of trying to fix permissions on whatever the mountpoint is, a
quick(ish) and dirty solution would be to mount it manually.  First
you'd have to turn off automagic mounting in XFCE -- I don't know how
that's done.  Then

$ mkdir ~/usb-mount

$ mount /dev/[device] ~/usb-mount

If that doesn't work, then you've got to deal with permissions.

To find the usb device in /dev if you need to beforehand, let XFCE mount
it then use just

$ mount

to get a list of mounted filesystems.

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#251092

On 12/26/2015 10:45 AM, »Q« wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 01:05:07 -0800
> Jeffrey Needle <jeff.needle@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/26/2015 12:33 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
>>> On 12/26/2015 3:27 PM, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
>>>> The stick mounts nicely.  I want to use it to make a backup of my
>>>> .thunderbird hidden directory.  I copy the directory, go to the
>>>> stick, try to paste it, but "Paste" is grayed out in the drop-down
>>>> menu.
>>>>
>>>> I thought maybe i needed to pen the file manager as root.  I did.
>>>> Still, "Paste" is grayed out.
>>>
>>> Wrong permission/owner for the mount point?
>>>
>>
>> Sigh.  No idea how to check this out.  I've looked on line and it
>> looks very complicated.  Is there an easy way to do this?  Thanks.
>
> Instead of trying to fix permissions on whatever the mountpoint is, a
> quick(ish) and dirty solution would be to mount it manually.  First
> you'd have to turn off automagic mounting in XFCE -- I don't know how
> that's done.  Then
>
> $ mkdir ~/usb-mount
>
> $ mount /dev/[device] ~/usb-mount
>
> If that doesn't work, then you've got to deal with permissions.
>
> To find the usb device in /dev if you need to beforehand, let XFCE mount
> it then use just
>
> $ mount
>
> to get a list of mounted filesystems.
>

If he can see the drive it is already mounted. He just can't 
write to it as user so it is a permissions problem more than 
likely.

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Caver1

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#251120

On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 11:01:24 -0500
Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote:
 
> If he can see the drive it is already mounted. 

Hmm.  If I couldn't see drives that aren't mounted, I'd consider my
system pretty broken.

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#251122

On 12/26/2015 08:04 PM, »Q« wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 11:01:24 -0500
> Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote:
>
>> If he can see the drive it is already mounted.
>
> Hmm.  If I couldn't see drives that aren't mounted, I'd consider my
> system pretty broken.
>
>

Well unless I misunderstood your comment you told him to 
make a mount point then mount the usb. If that didn't work 
it was a permission problem.
If he could see it to get a right click menu it was already 
mounted.


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#251132

On Saturday, December 26, 2015 at 5:21:10 PM UTC-8, Caver1 wrote:
> On 12/26/2015 08:04 PM, »Q« wrote:
> > On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 11:01:24 -0500
> > Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote:
> >
> >> If he can see the drive it is already mounted.
> >
> > Hmm.  If I couldn't see drives that aren't mounted, I'd consider my
> > system pretty broken.
> >
> >
> 
> Well unless I misunderstood your comment you told him to 
> make a mount point then mount the usb. If that didn't work 
> it was a permission problem.
> If he could see it to get a right click menu it was already 
> mounted.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Caver1

As mentioned, gparted was able to handle the problem quite nicely.  And, of
course, no need to mount the drive.  It's working perfectly, thanks to Mark's
suggestion.

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#251154

On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 20:21:09 -0500
Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote:

> On 12/26/2015 08:04 PM, »Q« wrote:
> > On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 11:01:24 -0500
> > Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote:
> >  
> >> If he can see the drive it is already mounted.  
> >
> > Hmm.  If I couldn't see drives that aren't mounted, I'd consider my
> > system pretty broken.
>  
> 
> Well unless I misunderstood your comment you told him to 
> make a mount point then mount the usb. If that didn't work 
> it was a permission problem.

I did suggest making a mount point in $HOME, to get around the apparent
permissions problem.  I did not say it was a permissions problem *if*
that workaround didn't work, but I did say if the workaround didn't
work, he'd probably have to deal with the actual permissions problem.

> If he could see it to get a right click menu it was already 
> mounted.

He mentioned a drop-down menu, presumably in a file manager.  But he'd
already said the drive was mounted, which was why I included turning
off automounting if he wanted to try the workaround.

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#251156

On 12/27/2015 04:15 PM, »Q« wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 20:21:09 -0500
> Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote:
>
>> On 12/26/2015 08:04 PM, »Q« wrote:
>>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 11:01:24 -0500
>>> Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If he can see the drive it is already mounted.
>>>
>>> Hmm.  If I couldn't see drives that aren't mounted, I'd consider my
>>> system pretty broken.
>>
>>
>> Well unless I misunderstood your comment you told him to
>> make a mount point then mount the usb. If that didn't work
>> it was a permission problem.
>
> I did suggest making a mount point in $HOME, to get around the apparent
> permissions problem.  I did not say it was a permissions problem *if*
> that workaround didn't work, but I did say if the workaround didn't
> work, he'd probably have to deal with the actual permissions problem.
>
>> If he could see it to get a right click menu it was already
>> mounted.
>
> He mentioned a drop-down menu, presumably in a file manager.  But he'd
> already said the drive was mounted, which was why I included turning
> off automounting if he wanted to try the workaround.
>

Sorry i misunderstood .

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Caver1

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#251083

Jeffrey Needle <jeff.needle@gmail.com>:

> So, did I make a real goof by choosing ext4 as the file system for the 
> stick?  Or is there something else going on?
> 
> Using MX15, 64-bit.  Lovely distro, as mentioned previously!

Perhaps someone in alt.os.linux has the answer.

Yrrah

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#251086

On 12/26/2015 05:24 AM, Yrrah wrote:
> Jeffrey Needle <jeff.needle@gmail.com>:
> 
>> So, did I make a real goof by choosing ext4 as the file system for the 
>> stick?  Or is there something else going on?
>>
>> Using MX15, 64-bit.  Lovely distro, as mentioned previously!
> 
> Perhaps someone in alt.os.linux has the answer.

I find comp.os.linux.misc to be a good resource.

Jon

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#251085

On 12/25/2015 11:27 PM, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
> Hi.  A very strange problem.  I have a USB stick that I decided to
> reformat using gparted.  It's a 4 gig stick.  I deleted all the
> partitions on the stick, created a new ext4 partition.  Everything
> looked like it was working fine.
> 
> The stick mounts nicely.  I want to use it to make a backup of my
> .thunderbird hidden directory.  I copy the directory, go to the stick,
> try to paste it, but "Paste" is grayed out in the drop-down menu.
> 
> I thought maybe i needed to pen the file manager as root.  I did. Still,
> "Paste" is grayed out.
> 
> So, did I make a real goof by choosing ext4 as the file system for the
> stick?  Or is there something else going on?
> 
> Using MX15, 64-bit.  Lovely distro, as mentioned previously!

I've had that problems in some distros (and certain DEs like XFCE), but
not in other (I have also had trouble executing binaries from a flash
stick, even as root, in which case I have to transfer the files to local
storage before execting them).

Since it's usually just to transfer a random file or two, I just use
sudo to get in there and write.  No idea why it happens though.

If you figure it out post a followup.  :)

Jon

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#251087

On 12/26/2015 02:27 AM, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
> Hi.  A very strange problem.  I have a USB stick that I decided to
> reformat using gparted.  It's a 4 gig stick.  I deleted all the
> partitions on the stick, created a new ext4 partition.  Everything
> looked like it was working fine.
>
> The stick mounts nicely.  I want to use it to make a backup of my
> .thunderbird hidden directory.  I copy the directory, go to the stick,
> try to paste it, but "Paste" is grayed out in the drop-down menu.
>
> I thought maybe i needed to pen the file manager as root.  I did. Still,
> "Paste" is grayed out.
>
> So, did I make a real goof by choosing ext4 as the file system for the
> stick?  Or is there something else going on?
>
> Using MX15, 64-bit.  Lovely distro, as mentioned previously!

While not necessary, I find it best to use FAT32 on flash drives used in 
this fashion. It can been read and written to by anything, and also 
eliminates any permissions issues.

-- 
Mark Warner
MEPIS Linux
Registered Linux User #415318
...lose .inhibitions when replying

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#251089

On 12/26/2015 11:21 PM, Mark Warner wrote:
> While not necessary, I find it best to use FAT32 on flash drives used in
> this fashion. It can been read and written to by anything, and also
> eliminates any permissions issues.
>

Because file systems FAT32 and FAT don't have permission and ownership 
support! This is a quick solution!

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#251091

On 12/26/2015 10:21 AM, Mark Warner wrote:
> On 12/26/2015 02:27 AM, Jeffrey Needle wrote:
>> Hi.  A very strange problem.  I have a USB stick that I decided to
>> reformat using gparted.  It's a 4 gig stick.  I deleted all the
>> partitions on the stick, created a new ext4 partition.  Everything
>> looked like it was working fine.
>>
>> The stick mounts nicely.  I want to use it to make a backup of my
>> .thunderbird hidden directory.  I copy the directory, go to the stick,
>> try to paste it, but "Paste" is grayed out in the drop-down menu.
>>
>> I thought maybe i needed to pen the file manager as root.  I did. Still,
>> "Paste" is grayed out.
>>
>> So, did I make a real goof by choosing ext4 as the file system for the
>> stick?  Or is there something else going on?
>>
>> Using MX15, 64-bit.  Lovely distro, as mentioned previously!
>
> While not necessary, I find it best to use FAT32 on flash drives used in
> this fashion. It can been read and written to by anything, and also
> eliminates any permissions issues.
>

If you want to use the usb stick between Windows and Linux 
you need to use Fat32.
If just with Linux ext4 is better.

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Caver1

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#251094

Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org>:

> If you want to use the usb stick between Windows and Linux 
> you need to use Fat32.

Or e.g. a dvd player with USB.

Yrrah

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#251096

On 12/26/2015 11:48 AM, Yrrah wrote:
> Caver1 <caver1@inthemud.org>:
>
>> If you want to use the usb stick between Windows and Linux
>> you need to use Fat32.
>
> Or e.g. a dvd player with USB.
>
> Yrrah
>

Why bother?

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