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| Started by | No Country for Old White Men <nocoutry@white.man> |
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| First post | 2016-03-12 10:05 -0500 |
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Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man No Country for Old White Men <nocoutry@white.man> - 2016-03-12 10:05 -0500
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Malcolm McMahon <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> - 2016-03-12 17:06 +0000
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man DVH <dvh@vhvhvhvh.com> - 2016-03-12 19:28 +0000
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Malcolm McMahon <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> - 2016-03-12 20:24 +0000
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-03-14 13:11 +0100
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Malcolm McMahon <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> - 2016-03-14 15:07 +0000
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-03-14 17:55 +0100
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-16 09:37 +0000
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-03-16 12:25 +0100
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-16 14:53 +0000
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-03-16 18:02 +0100
Re: IT workeers (Was Trump) Bill Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> - 2016-03-16 14:38 -0400
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-16 22:07 +0000
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-03-16 23:25 +0100
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 00:33 -0400
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-03-17 11:37 +0100
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-17 11:58 +0000
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-03-17 13:54 +0100
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-17 12:56 +0000
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-03-17 14:07 +0100
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-17 10:04 +0000
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-03-17 11:39 +0100
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-03-17 06:19 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-17 13:30 +0000
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-17 05:03 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-17 12:40 +0000
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-17 15:54 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-16 16:11 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> - 2016-03-13 11:34 -0400
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-13 18:06 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 22:11 -0400
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> - 2016-03-14 07:14 -0400
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Malcolm McMahon <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> - 2016-03-14 15:17 +0000
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> - 2016-03-15 14:58 -0400
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Malcolm McMahon <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> - 2016-03-15 21:26 +0000
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-15 19:45 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Bill Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> - 2016-03-16 14:50 -0400
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-15 19:44 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 21:20 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 21:18 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-15 22:49 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-03-14 13:15 +0100
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 21:21 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com - 2016-03-15 15:24 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> - 2016-03-14 07:12 -0400
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-03-14 13:16 +0100
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-14 15:09 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> - 2016-03-15 15:02 -0400
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-15 19:41 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Bill Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> - 2016-03-16 14:55 -0400
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Malcolm McMahon <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> - 2016-03-14 15:09 +0000
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> - 2016-03-15 15:02 -0400
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-15 19:42 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 00:35 -0400
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Bill Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> - 2016-03-16 14:46 -0400
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com - 2016-03-15 15:10 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2016-03-15 21:24 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-03-16 08:14 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com - 2016-03-19 14:58 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-20 10:38 +0000
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-03-23 09:38 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-23 19:15 +0000
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-03-23 01:46 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-23 12:12 +0000
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man rantingrickjohnson@gmail.com - 2016-03-19 17:00 -0700
Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-21 09:18 +0000
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-17 10:04 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dkvdojFgf72U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2075487 |
On 16/03/2016 22:25, abelard wrote: > On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 22:07:48 +0000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: > >> On 16/03/2016 17:02, abelard wrote: >>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 14:53:02 +0000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 16/03/2016 11:25, abelard wrote: >>> >>>>> but production is a function of work, resources and intelligence... >>>>> >>>>> the last of those still appears unlimited and the west still has >>>>> pre-eminence in that capital >>>>> >>>> >>>> Not intelligence -- that is equal everywhere -- but rather knowledge, >>>> and the creative application thereof. >>> >>> i'm very content with that translation >>> >>>> And on that score, we are losing our advantage, FAST. >>> >>> certainly...however, we do still have that advantage as of today... >>> >>> the more the west votes in socialist governments, the quicker >>> it will erode >> >> Firstly, I have noted that you do appear to be somewhat hazy on the >> proper definition and usage of the term "socialist". > > try getting socialists to define socialism adequately > > yitz tries a cheap dictionary... > > i use years of speaking to them, years of reading about what > they actually do > > as none of them tend to talk sense i decided to form a > definition myself and put that online > http://www.abelard.org/briefings/socialist_religion.htm > > if they(or you) don't like it...you can always try your own > alternate You get it arse backwards. You are the one with the "alternate" definition. > > virtually every time you(i) ask a socialist about a particular > socialist...they tell me that person is not a real(tm) socialist > > without a sane working definition one can discuss nothing > coherently > >> Secondly, I would like to point out that a major reason for the relative >> underperformance of Americans in tertiary education is the sheer cost of >> studying. US colleges being free to charge "what the market will bear" >> is a massive deterrent and a huge barrier to young Americans who want to >> study and who would help the country maintain its lead in the knowledge >> race ... but who simply cannot afford it. > > the usa produces most of the advanced work around the world The USA ... but is it produced by Americans? A US company may own the patents and market the blockbuster product, but that does not mean the work this success rests on was done by Americans.
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| From | abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> |
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| Date | 2016-03-17 11:39 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <582leb548pesbbc503075tdldbt3i2pjdb@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2075696 |
On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:04:00 +0000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
>On 16/03/2016 22:25, abelard wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 22:07:48 +0000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 16/03/2016 17:02, abelard wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 14:53:02 +0000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 16/03/2016 11:25, abelard wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> but production is a function of work, resources and intelligence...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the last of those still appears unlimited and the west still has
>>>>>> pre-eminence in that capital
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not intelligence -- that is equal everywhere -- but rather knowledge,
>>>>> and the creative application thereof.
>>>>
>>>> i'm very content with that translation
>>>>
>>>>> And on that score, we are losing our advantage, FAST.
>>>>
>>>> certainly...however, we do still have that advantage as of today...
>>>>
>>>> the more the west votes in socialist governments, the quicker
>>>> it will erode
>>>
>>> Firstly, I have noted that you do appear to be somewhat hazy on the
>>> proper definition and usage of the term "socialist".
>>
>> try getting socialists to define socialism adequately
>>
>> yitz tries a cheap dictionary...
>>
>> i use years of speaking to them, years of reading about what
>> they actually do
>>
>> as none of them tend to talk sense i decided to form a
>> definition myself and put that online
>> http://www.abelard.org/briefings/socialist_religion.htm
>>
>> if they(or you) don't like it...you can always try your own
>> alternate
>
>You get it arse backwards.
>
>You are the one with the "alternate" definition.
there you go you see.....no definition
>> virtually every time you(i) ask a socialist about a particular
>> socialist...they tell me that person is not a real(tm) socialist
>>
>> without a sane working definition one can discuss nothing
>> coherently
>>
>>> Secondly, I would like to point out that a major reason for the relative
>>> underperformance of Americans in tertiary education is the sheer cost of
>>> studying. US colleges being free to charge "what the market will bear"
>>> is a massive deterrent and a huge barrier to young Americans who want to
>>> study and who would help the country maintain its lead in the knowledge
>>> race ... but who simply cannot afford it.
>>
>> the usa produces most of the advanced work around the world
>
>The USA ... but is it produced by Americans? A US company may own the
>patents and market the blockbuster product, but that does not mean the
>work this success rests on was done by Americans.
why do you care...the usa controls most of the big international
corporations...
an idea that nobody uses is nothing but an idea...
--
www.abelard.org
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| From | Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-17 06:19 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <a2399a79-4b76-4129-98ca-49582e41210d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #2075710 |
On Thursday, 17 March 2016 10:39:30 UTC, abelard wrote: > On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:04:00 +0000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: > > >On 16/03/2016 22:25, abelard wrote: > >> On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 22:07:48 +0000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> On 16/03/2016 17:02, abelard wrote: > >>>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 14:53:02 +0000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On 16/03/2016 11:25, abelard wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>> but production is a function of work, resources and intelligence... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> the last of those still appears unlimited and the west still has > >>>>>> pre-eminence in that capital > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Not intelligence -- that is equal everywhere -- but rather knowledge, > >>>>> and the creative application thereof. > >>>> > >>>> i'm very content with that translation > >>>> > >>>>> And on that score, we are losing our advantage, FAST. > >>>> > >>>> certainly...however, we do still have that advantage as of today... > >>>> > >>>> the more the west votes in socialist governments, the quicker > >>>> it will erode > >>> > >>> Firstly, I have noted that you do appear to be somewhat hazy on the > >>> proper definition and usage of the term "socialist". > >> > >> try getting socialists to define socialism adequately > >> > >> yitz tries a cheap dictionary... > >> > >> i use years of speaking to them, years of reading about what > >> they actually do > >> > >> as none of them tend to talk sense i decided to form a > >> definition myself and put that online > >> http://www.abelard.org/briefings/socialist_religion.htm > >> > >> if they(or you) don't like it...you can always try your own > >> alternate > > > >You get it arse backwards. > > > >You are the one with the "alternate" definition. > > there you go you see.....no definition > > >> virtually every time you(i) ask a socialist about a particular > >> socialist...they tell me that person is not a real(tm) socialist > >> > >> without a sane working definition one can discuss nothing > >> coherently > >> > >>> Secondly, I would like to point out that a major reason for the relative > >>> underperformance of Americans in tertiary education is the sheer cost of > >>> studying. US colleges being free to charge "what the market will bear" > >>> is a massive deterrent and a huge barrier to young Americans who want to > >>> study and who would help the country maintain its lead in the knowledge > >>> race ... but who simply cannot afford it. > >> > >> the usa produces most of the advanced work around the world > > > >The USA ... but is it produced by Americans? A US company may own the > >patents and market the blockbuster product, but that does not mean the > >work this success rests on was done by Americans. > > why do you care...the usa controls most of the big international > corporations... More like the other way around. But the point is that, in order for median living standards to resume rising, or even to stay at current levels, money doesn't have to just come into our economies it has to get distributed. A country living off licences and patents has the same issues as one powered by oil wealth. The money goes only to a tiny minority.
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-17 13:30 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dkvpqvFjfimU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2075768 |
On 17/03/2016 13:19, Malcolm McMahon wrote: > On Thursday, 17 March 2016 10:39:30 UTC, abelard wrote: >> On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 10:04:00 +0000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >> why do you care...the usa controls most of the big international >> corporations... > > More like the other way around. > > But the point is that, in order for median living standards to resume > rising, or even to stay at current levels, money doesn't have to just > come into our economies it has to get distributed. > > A country living off licences and patents has the same issues as one > powered by oil wealth. The money goes only to a tiny minority. > Perhaps more pertinently, the money goes to a tiny minority and is then distributed exclusively to see to their needs. What it does not do is to support the middle classes, the professionals who are so vital for democracy and a stable society.
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| From | Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-17 05:03 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hlwdjsd2-613021.05034617032016@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #2075696 |
In article <dkvdojFgf72U1@mid.individual.net>, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On 16/03/2016 22:25, abelard wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 22:07:48 +0000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> > > wrote: > > > >> On 16/03/2016 17:02, abelard wrote: > >>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 14:53:02 +0000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 16/03/2016 11:25, abelard wrote: > >>> > >>>>> but production is a function of work, resources and intelligence... > >>>>> > >>>>> the last of those still appears unlimited and the west still has > >>>>> pre-eminence in that capital > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Not intelligence -- that is equal everywhere -- but rather knowledge, > >>>> and the creative application thereof. > >>> > >>> i'm very content with that translation > >>> > >>>> And on that score, we are losing our advantage, FAST. > >>> > >>> certainly...however, we do still have that advantage as of today... > >>> > >>> the more the west votes in socialist governments, the quicker > >>> it will erode > >> > >> Firstly, I have noted that you do appear to be somewhat hazy on the > >> proper definition and usage of the term "socialist". > > > > try getting socialists to define socialism adequately > > > > yitz tries a cheap dictionary... > > > > i use years of speaking to them, years of reading about what > > they actually do > > > > as none of them tend to talk sense i decided to form a > > definition myself and put that online > > http://www.abelard.org/briefings/socialist_religion.htm > > > > if they(or you) don't like it...you can always try your own > > alternate > > You get it arse backwards. > > You are the one with the "alternate" definition. > > > > > > virtually every time you(i) ask a socialist about a particular > > socialist...they tell me that person is not a real(tm) socialist > > > > without a sane working definition one can discuss nothing > > coherently > > > >> Secondly, I would like to point out that a major reason for the relative > >> underperformance of Americans in tertiary education is the sheer cost of > >> studying. US colleges being free to charge "what the market will bear" > >> is a massive deterrent and a huge barrier to young Americans who want to > >> study and who would help the country maintain its lead in the knowledge > >> race ... but who simply cannot afford it. > > > > the usa produces most of the advanced work around the world > > The USA ... but is it produced by Americans? A US company may own the > patents and market the blockbuster product, but that does not mean the > work this success rests on was done by Americans. And with foreign students going home instead of staying to work here in greater numbers and foreign workers also returning home after building their resumes, who is going to take their places if the fundies completely destroy the teaching of actual facts, including those all important science facts.? -- JD "If ANYONE will not welcome you or listen to your words, LEAVE that home or town and shake the dust off your feet." Matthew 10:14
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-17 12:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <dkvmu6Fipk1U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #2075747 |
On 17/03/2016 12:03, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > In article <dkvdojFgf72U1@mid.individual.net>, > "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> On 16/03/2016 22:25, abelard wrote: >>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 22:07:48 +0000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 16/03/2016 17:02, abelard wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 14:53:02 +0000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 16/03/2016 11:25, abelard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> but production is a function of work, resources and intelligence... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the last of those still appears unlimited and the west still has >>>>>>> pre-eminence in that capital >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Not intelligence -- that is equal everywhere -- but rather knowledge, >>>>>> and the creative application thereof. >>>>> >>>>> i'm very content with that translation >>>>> >>>>>> And on that score, we are losing our advantage, FAST. >>>>> >>>>> certainly...however, we do still have that advantage as of today... >>>>> >>>>> the more the west votes in socialist governments, the quicker >>>>> it will erode >>>> >>>> Firstly, I have noted that you do appear to be somewhat hazy on the >>>> proper definition and usage of the term "socialist". >>> >>> try getting socialists to define socialism adequately >>> >>> yitz tries a cheap dictionary... >>> >>> i use years of speaking to them, years of reading about what >>> they actually do >>> >>> as none of them tend to talk sense i decided to form a >>> definition myself and put that online >>> http://www.abelard.org/briefings/socialist_religion.htm >>> >>> if they(or you) don't like it...you can always try your own >>> alternate >> >> You get it arse backwards. >> >> You are the one with the "alternate" definition. >> >> >>> >>> virtually every time you(i) ask a socialist about a particular >>> socialist...they tell me that person is not a real(tm) socialist >>> >>> without a sane working definition one can discuss nothing >>> coherently >>> >>>> Secondly, I would like to point out that a major reason for the relative >>>> underperformance of Americans in tertiary education is the sheer cost of >>>> studying. US colleges being free to charge "what the market will bear" >>>> is a massive deterrent and a huge barrier to young Americans who want to >>>> study and who would help the country maintain its lead in the knowledge >>>> race ... but who simply cannot afford it. >>> >>> the usa produces most of the advanced work around the world >> >> The USA ... but is it produced by Americans? A US company may own the >> patents and market the blockbuster product, but that does not mean the >> work this success rests on was done by Americans. > > And with foreign students going home instead of staying to work here in > greater numbers and foreign workers also returning home after building > their resumes, who is going to take their places if the fundies > completely destroy the teaching of actual facts, including those all > important science facts.? > It wouldn't actually be so bad if they went home. Students from developing nations who go home after their studies help to build nations. They build roads and hospitals, they staff civil services, and they provide scarce and much-needed educated labour. All this is of great benefit to our companies as they expand into those markets. It means a larger and more lucrative local market, it reduces the need for expensive in-house training schemes, it provides for better infrastructure and services to operate their businesses.
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| From | Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-17 15:54 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hlwdjsd2-4CF10E.15544817032016@news.giganews.com> |
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In article <dkvmu6Fipk1U1@mid.individual.net>, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On 17/03/2016 12:03, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > > In article <dkvdojFgf72U1@mid.individual.net>, > > "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > >> On 16/03/2016 22:25, abelard wrote: > >>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 22:07:48 +0000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 16/03/2016 17:02, abelard wrote: > >>>>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 14:53:02 +0000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 16/03/2016 11:25, abelard wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>>> but production is a function of work, resources and intelligence... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> the last of those still appears unlimited and the west still has > >>>>>>> pre-eminence in that capital > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Not intelligence -- that is equal everywhere -- but rather knowledge, > >>>>>> and the creative application thereof. > >>>>> > >>>>> i'm very content with that translation > >>>>> > >>>>>> And on that score, we are losing our advantage, FAST. > >>>>> > >>>>> certainly...however, we do still have that advantage as of today... > >>>>> > >>>>> the more the west votes in socialist governments, the quicker > >>>>> it will erode > >>>> > >>>> Firstly, I have noted that you do appear to be somewhat hazy on the > >>>> proper definition and usage of the term "socialist". > >>> > >>> try getting socialists to define socialism adequately > >>> > >>> yitz tries a cheap dictionary... > >>> > >>> i use years of speaking to them, years of reading about what > >>> they actually do > >>> > >>> as none of them tend to talk sense i decided to form a > >>> definition myself and put that online > >>> http://www.abelard.org/briefings/socialist_religion.htm > >>> > >>> if they(or you) don't like it...you can always try your own > >>> alternate > >> > >> You get it arse backwards. > >> > >> You are the one with the "alternate" definition. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> virtually every time you(i) ask a socialist about a particular > >>> socialist...they tell me that person is not a real(tm) socialist > >>> > >>> without a sane working definition one can discuss nothing > >>> coherently > >>> > >>>> Secondly, I would like to point out that a major reason for the relative > >>>> underperformance of Americans in tertiary education is the sheer cost of > >>>> studying. US colleges being free to charge "what the market will bear" > >>>> is a massive deterrent and a huge barrier to young Americans who want to > >>>> study and who would help the country maintain its lead in the knowledge > >>>> race ... but who simply cannot afford it. > >>> > >>> the usa produces most of the advanced work around the world > >> > >> The USA ... but is it produced by Americans? A US company may own the > >> patents and market the blockbuster product, but that does not mean the > >> work this success rests on was done by Americans. > > > > And with foreign students going home instead of staying to work here in > > greater numbers and foreign workers also returning home after building > > their resumes, who is going to take their places if the fundies > > completely destroy the teaching of actual facts, including those all > > important science facts.? > > > > It wouldn't actually be so bad if they went home. > > Students from developing nations who go home after their studies help to > build nations. They build roads and hospitals, they staff civil > services, and they provide scarce and much-needed educated labour. All > this is of great benefit to our companies as they expand into those > markets. It means a larger and more lucrative local market, it reduces > the need for expensive in-house training schemes, it provides for better > infrastructure and services to operate their businesses. Of course, that's true. But it's very bad for the US because now they're not doing it here, helping the US stay on top. -- JD "If ANYONE will not welcome you or listen to your words, LEAVE that home or town and shake the dust off your feet." Matthew 10:14
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| From | Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-16 16:11 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hlwdjsd2-CFCFD0.16111916032016@news.giganews.com> |
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In article <dktaagF57vU1@mid.individual.net>, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > On 16/03/2016 11:25, abelard wrote: > > On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 09:37:08 +0000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> > > wrote: > > > >> On 14/03/2016 16:55, abelard wrote: > >>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 15:07:09 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon > >>> <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: > >>> > >>>> abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> wrote: > >>>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 20:24:41 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon > >>>>> <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> DVH <dvh@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> On 12/03/2016 17:06, Malcolm McMahon wrote: > >>>>>>>> No Country for Old White Men <nocoutry@white.man> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> I don't care if our species would never reproduce again, why can't > >>>>>>>>> everybody > >>>>>>>>> be like me? Old, stupid, uneducated, white and impotent. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Emasculated white men love Donald Trump: The real reason a > >>>>>>>>> billionaire > >>>>>>>>> bozo > >>>>>>>>> rules the GOP > >>>>>>>>> Trump's rise is directly related to a certain white male limpness > >>>>>>>>> -- and > >>>>>>>>> their > >>>>>>>>> fear of a female president > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> There's no doubt that there's a frightening amount of anger in the > >>>>>>>> American > >>>>>>>> public at the moment. But I don't think it is, at root, anything to > >>>>>>>> do > >>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> battle of the sexes or any subltety of psychology. It's down to a > >>>>>>>> one > >>>>>>>> simple, > >>>>>>>> devastating fact, the decade by decade rise in median wealth that > >>>>>>>> the West > >>>>>>>> has > >>>>>>>> enjoyed for most of the 20th century has stalled, basically since > >>>>>>>> the new > >>>>>>>> millenium termed. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> This is actually nothing to do with politics, and there's little > >>>>>>>> politicians > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> any stamp can do about it. Its about globalisation, the same changes > >>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>> have > >>>>>>>> substantially reduced poverty in the world, have seem an evening out > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> wealth > >>>>>>>> between nations. That means those of us who were at the top are > >>>>>>>> losing out. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Why do you believe globalisation is/was inevitable? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Because of the increasing ease of international trade. Protectionism > >>>>>> is > >>>>>> manufactured scarcity. It's an attempt to buck market forces. As soon > >>>>>> as its > >>>>>> cheaper to have something manufactured in, say, China, and have it > >>>>>> shipped > >>>>>> over > >>>>>> than it is to manufacture it locally, any attempt to prevent that from > >>>>>> happening is like trying to prevent water flowing down hill. It may > >>>>>> please > >>>>>> your > >>>>>> local artisans, until they want to buy something which is artificially > >>>>>> expensive. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In the end, technological change always wins over politics. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Politics has _far_ less power to improve things than politicians would > >>>>>> like > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> believe, and would like _you_ to believe. In the end, the engineer > >>>>>> trumps the > >>>>>> politician. > >>> > >>>>> all true...but that doesn't look to me like you quite answered the > >>>>> question > >>> > >>>> Was it inevitable? No, we could have had another world war instead. > >>>> Given > >>>> relative peace and the advances in transport techology, probably. > >>>> > >>>> In any case its a move in the direction of justice. The international > >>>> cake is > >>>> still getting bigger, but the slice of that cake taken by the emergent > >>>> ecconomies such as India, China, South Korea is getting larger _faster_. > >>> > >>> ok thus far > >> > >> I would add that it is probably going to get harder for any one nation > >> or region to achieve comparably dominant positions as Europe enjoyed in > >> the 19th, and the US for much of the 20th century. The reason: > >> low-hanging fruit. The "easy stuff" has already been done. British > >> mills turned wool and cotton from colonial possessions into global > >> industries and reaped vast fortunes back in the 19th century -- but > >> today, fabric has been commodified and turning a profit is that much > >> harder. Driving economic growth by tapping previously unused "virgin" > >> resources such as fallow land or mineral resources was what created > >> enormous wealth, but it can happen only once. The same applies across > >> the industries and sectors of our economies. > > > > no argument... > > > > but production is a function of work, resources and intelligence... > > > > the last of those still appears unlimited and the west still has > > pre-eminence in that capital > > > > Not intelligence -- that is equal everywhere -- but rather knowledge, > and the creative application thereof. > > And on that score, we are losing our advantage, FAST. > > We have been coasting for a while now, content to bask in apparent > growth and gains from new industries such as IT, and happy to indulge in > collective navel-gazing. Societies such as ours whose education systems > put a premium on inclusiveness and on turning out happy well-adjusted > kids who feel good about themselves rather than young citizens who know > how to read and write properly and who have a good grounding in the > sciences .... well, societies like that will not last very long. We > have masked the effects of such disastrous educational policies by using > our inherited capital wealth to lure the actually well-educated talent > from the developing and emerging nations into working for us -- but that > cannot last. Indian IT workers without whom Silicon Valley would not > exist may be happy to take US dollars for now, but they are building up > the experience, the wealth and the contacts to build world-beating > knowledge companies back home one day. The same goes for just about any > other industry. Yep. Foreigners getting degrees in US universities used to stay and contribute to the US economy. Now, more and more of them are going home and building the economies of their home countries. -- JD "If ANYONE will not welcome you or listen to your words, LEAVE that home or town and shake the dust off your feet." Matthew 10:14
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| From | NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-13 11:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <g22bebp7l8mou39lnig4vaju274cmj2cbi@4ax.com> |
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 17:06:37 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: >No Country for Old White Men <nocoutry@white.man> wrote: >>I don't care if our species would never reproduce again, why can't everybody >>be like me? Old, stupid, uneducated, white and impotent. >> >> >> Emasculated white men love Donald Trump: The real reason a billionaire bozo >>rules the GOP >>Trump's rise is directly related to a certain white male limpness -- and their >>fear of a female president >> > >There's no doubt that there's a frightening amount of anger in the American >public at the moment. But I don't think it is, at root, anything to do with the >battle of the sexes or any subltety of psychology. It's down to a one simple, >devastating fact, the decade by decade rise in median wealth that the West has >enjoyed for most of the 20th century has stalled, basically since the new >millenium termed. > >This is actually nothing to do with politics, and there's little politicians of >any stamp can do about it. Its about globalisation, the same changes that have >substantially reduced poverty in the world, have seem an evening out of wealth >between nations. That means those of us who were at the top are losing out. > >Like most profound social change this is not the result of politics, but of >technological change. I would say it's largely down to two inventions. The >Internet, and perhaps more importantly, the container ship. > >Now the gut reaction to this by those suffering from frustrated expectations is >to build a wall arround their nation. It wouldn't _work_, of course, but its >the first thing people think about it and, for those not reflective enough for >second thoughts, that's as far as they get. > >What's happening in America at the moment seems to me frighteningly similar to >what went on in Germany in the '30s. There was the same rage. The same search >for scapegoats. Trump is riding this rage not intuitively, but consciously, by >calculation just as Hitler did. > You can easily say the exact same words about Hillary and Bernie. They are using the exact same tactics, just directed at a different population. Wonder why people only notice Trump?
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| From | Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-13 18:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hlwdjsd2-016D3C.18061813032016@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #2073643 |
In article <g22bebp7l8mou39lnig4vaju274cmj2cbi@4ax.com>, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: > On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 17:06:37 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon > <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: > > >No Country for Old White Men <nocoutry@white.man> wrote: > >>I don't care if our species would never reproduce again, why can't > >>everybody > >>be like me? Old, stupid, uneducated, white and impotent. > >> > >> > >> Emasculated white men love Donald Trump: The real reason a billionaire > >> bozo > >>rules the GOP > >>Trump's rise is directly related to a certain white male limpness -- and > >>their > >>fear of a female president > >> > > > >There's no doubt that there's a frightening amount of anger in the American > >public at the moment. But I don't think it is, at root, anything to do with > >the > >battle of the sexes or any subltety of psychology. It's down to a one > >simple, > >devastating fact, the decade by decade rise in median wealth that the West > >has > >enjoyed for most of the 20th century has stalled, basically since the new > >millenium termed. > > > >This is actually nothing to do with politics, and there's little politicians > >of > >any stamp can do about it. Its about globalisation, the same changes that > >have > >substantially reduced poverty in the world, have seem an evening out of > >wealth > >between nations. That means those of us who were at the top are losing out. > > > >Like most profound social change this is not the result of politics, but of > >technological change. I would say it's largely down to two inventions. The > >Internet, and perhaps more importantly, the container ship. > > > >Now the gut reaction to this by those suffering from frustrated expectations > >is > >to build a wall arround their nation. It wouldn't _work_, of course, but its > >the first thing people think about it and, for those not reflective enough > >for > >second thoughts, that's as far as they get. > > > >What's happening in America at the moment seems to me frighteningly similar > >to > >what went on in Germany in the '30s. There was the same rage. The same > >search > >for scapegoats. Trump is riding this rage not intuitively, but consciously, > >by > >calculation just as Hitler did. > > > > You can easily say the exact same words about Hillary and Bernie. They > are using the exact same tactics, just directed at a different > population. Wonder why people only notice Trump? How are Hillary and Bernie doing the same. Exact examples, please. -- JD "If ANYONE will not welcome you or listen to your words, LEAVE that home or town and shake the dust off your feet." Matthew 10:14
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| From | FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-13 22:11 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nc56f6$20q$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #2073808 |
On 2016-03-14 01:06:18 +0000, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> said: > In article <g22bebp7l8mou39lnig4vaju274cmj2cbi@4ax.com>, > NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: > >> On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 17:06:37 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon >> <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: >> >>> No Country for Old White Men <nocoutry@white.man> wrote: >>>> I don't care if our species would never reproduce again, why can't >>>> everybody >>>> be like me? Old, stupid, uneducated, white and impotent. >>>> >>>> >>>> Emasculated white men love Donald Trump: The real reason a billionaire >>>> bozo >>>> rules the GOP >>>> Trump's rise is directly related to a certain white male limpness -- and >>>> their >>>> fear of a female president >>>> >>> >>> There's no doubt that there's a frightening amount of anger in the American >>> public at the moment. But I don't think it is, at root, anything to do with >>> the >>> battle of the sexes or any subltety of psychology. It's down to a one >>> simple, >>> devastating fact, the decade by decade rise in median wealth that the West >>> has >>> enjoyed for most of the 20th century has stalled, basically since the new >>> millenium termed. >>> >>> This is actually nothing to do with politics, and there's little politicians >>> of >>> any stamp can do about it. Its about globalisation, the same changes that >>> have >>> substantially reduced poverty in the world, have seem an evening out of >>> wealth >>> between nations. That means those of us who were at the top are losing out. >>> >>> Like most profound social change this is not the result of politics, but of >>> technological change. I would say it's largely down to two inventions. The >>> Internet, and perhaps more importantly, the container ship. >>> >>> Now the gut reaction to this by those suffering from frustrated expectations >>> is >>> to build a wall arround their nation. It wouldn't _work_, of course, but its >>> the first thing people think about it and, for those not reflective enough >>> for >>> second thoughts, that's as far as they get. >>> >>> What's happening in America at the moment seems to me frighteningly similar >>> to >>> what went on in Germany in the '30s. There was the same rage. The same >>> search >>> for scapegoats. Trump is riding this rage not intuitively, but consciously, >>> by >>> calculation just as Hitler did. >>> >> >> You can easily say the exact same words about Hillary and Bernie. They >> are using the exact same tactics, just directed at a different >> population. Wonder why people only notice Trump? > > > How are Hillary and Bernie doing the same. Exact examples, please. He kind of has a point... Bernie and Hillary are portraying the top 1% as having reaped all the gains in the last 20 years - leaving the middle and lower classes to slide backwards. The difference is that Bernie and Hillary are right. Our society, since the 80's, has been rewarding the top 1% at the expense of the bottom 99%. Since the advent of the 21st century, the pace has just accelerated. To the question as to why people only notice Trump - it's because he's putting on a better show. He's playing on people's justified fear, anger and prejudices by blaming Mexicans, Muslims and other minorities for the inequities. Where it goes off the rails is when a demagogue like Trump begins to actively promote and incite violence at his rallies. Now, he isn't just your run of the mill politician hoping to get elected - he's downright dangerous. Ask yourself if this sounds familiar... A charismatic and authoritarian leader who preaches intolerance against one particular religion? A charismatic and authoritarian leader who leads his adoring worshippers in a personal loyalty oath and ask them to raise their arms in a salute? A charismatic and authoritarian leader who uses propaganda and lies to sway the angry downtrodden mob to "make their country great again"? A charismatic and authoritarian leader who advocates killing innocent family members of his enemies? A charismatic and authoritarian leader who advocates forming a "deportation force" to go door to door and round up members of a certain ethnic group? A charismatic and authoritarian leader who proposes to use torture of his adversaries because "they deserve it"? A charismatic and authoritarian leader who incites the people at his rallies to violently attack dissenters in the crowd? A charismatic and authoritarian leader who freely quotes Benito Mussolini? If I asked a historian for the name of such a man, who do YOU think would JUMP to mind first? -- Liberals believe in global warming because of the scientific data. Conservatives don't believe in global warming because it felt a little nippy this morning.
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| From | NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-14 07:14 -0400 |
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:11:45 -0400, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: >On 2016-03-14 01:06:18 +0000, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> said: > >> In article <g22bebp7l8mou39lnig4vaju274cmj2cbi@4ax.com>, >> NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 17:06:37 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon >>> <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> No Country for Old White Men <nocoutry@white.man> wrote: >>>>> I don't care if our species would never reproduce again, why can't >>>>> everybody >>>>> be like me? Old, stupid, uneducated, white and impotent. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Emasculated white men love Donald Trump: The real reason a billionaire >>>>> bozo >>>>> rules the GOP >>>>> Trump's rise is directly related to a certain white male limpness -- and >>>>> their >>>>> fear of a female president >>>>> >>>> >>>> There's no doubt that there's a frightening amount of anger in the American >>>> public at the moment. But I don't think it is, at root, anything to do with >>>> the >>>> battle of the sexes or any subltety of psychology. It's down to a one >>>> simple, >>>> devastating fact, the decade by decade rise in median wealth that the West >>>> has >>>> enjoyed for most of the 20th century has stalled, basically since the new >>>> millenium termed. >>>> >>>> This is actually nothing to do with politics, and there's little politicians >>>> of >>>> any stamp can do about it. Its about globalisation, the same changes that >>>> have >>>> substantially reduced poverty in the world, have seem an evening out of >>>> wealth >>>> between nations. That means those of us who were at the top are losing out. >>>> >>>> Like most profound social change this is not the result of politics, but of >>>> technological change. I would say it's largely down to two inventions. The >>>> Internet, and perhaps more importantly, the container ship. >>>> >>>> Now the gut reaction to this by those suffering from frustrated expectations >>>> is >>>> to build a wall arround their nation. It wouldn't _work_, of course, but its >>>> the first thing people think about it and, for those not reflective enough >>>> for >>>> second thoughts, that's as far as they get. >>>> >>>> What's happening in America at the moment seems to me frighteningly similar >>>> to >>>> what went on in Germany in the '30s. There was the same rage. The same >>>> search >>>> for scapegoats. Trump is riding this rage not intuitively, but consciously, >>>> by >>>> calculation just as Hitler did. >>>> >>> >>> You can easily say the exact same words about Hillary and Bernie. They >>> are using the exact same tactics, just directed at a different >>> population. Wonder why people only notice Trump? >> >> >> How are Hillary and Bernie doing the same. Exact examples, please. > >He kind of has a point... Bernie and Hillary are portraying the top 1% >as having reaped all the gains in the last 20 years - leaving the >middle and lower classes to slide backwards. > >The difference is that Bernie and Hillary are right. FPP agrees with their demonization because it fits his agenda. Didn't expect much else from him. > Our society, >since the 80's, has been rewarding the top 1% at the expense of the >bottom 99%. Since the advent of the 21st century, the pace has just >accelerated. Under the leadership of the Democrats. How do you explain this when the party that is for "the little guy" (laughter) has been running things?
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| From | Malcolm McMahon <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-14 15:17 +0000 |
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NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: >On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:11:45 -0400, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: > >>On 2016-03-14 01:06:18 +0000, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> said: >> >>> In article <g22bebp7l8mou39lnig4vaju274cmj2cbi@4ax.com>, >>> NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 17:06:37 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon >>>> <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> No Country for Old White Men <nocoutry@white.man> wrote: >>>>>> I don't care if our species would never reproduce again, why can't >>>>>> everybody >>>>>> be like me? Old, stupid, uneducated, white and impotent. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Emasculated white men love Donald Trump: The real reason a billionaire >>>>>> bozo >>>>>> rules the GOP >>>>>> Trump's rise is directly related to a certain white male limpness -- and >>>>>> their >>>>>> fear of a female president >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There's no doubt that there's a frightening amount of anger in the >>>>>American >>>>> public at the moment. But I don't think it is, at root, anything to do >>>>>with >>>>> the >>>>> battle of the sexes or any subltety of psychology. It's down to a one >>>>> simple, >>>>> devastating fact, the decade by decade rise in median wealth that the West >>>>> has >>>>> enjoyed for most of the 20th century has stalled, basically since the new >>>>> millenium termed. >>>>> >>>>> This is actually nothing to do with politics, and there's little >>>>>politicians >>>>> of >>>>> any stamp can do about it. Its about globalisation, the same changes that >>>>> have >>>>> substantially reduced poverty in the world, have seem an evening out of >>>>> wealth >>>>> between nations. That means those of us who were at the top are losing >>>>>out. >>>>> >>>>> Like most profound social change this is not the result of politics, but >>>>>of >>>>> technological change. I would say it's largely down to two inventions. The >>>>> Internet, and perhaps more importantly, the container ship. >>>>> >>>>> Now the gut reaction to this by those suffering from frustrated >>>>>expectations >>>>> is >>>>> to build a wall arround their nation. It wouldn't _work_, of course, but >>>>>its >>>>> the first thing people think about it and, for those not reflective enough >>>>> for >>>>> second thoughts, that's as far as they get. >>>>> >>>>> What's happening in America at the moment seems to me frighteningly >>>>>similar >>>>> to >>>>> what went on in Germany in the '30s. There was the same rage. The same >>>>> search >>>>> for scapegoats. Trump is riding this rage not intuitively, but >>>>>consciously, >>>>> by >>>>> calculation just as Hitler did. >>>>> >>>> >>>> You can easily say the exact same words about Hillary and Bernie. They >>>> are using the exact same tactics, just directed at a different >>>> population. Wonder why people only notice Trump? >>> >>> >>> How are Hillary and Bernie doing the same. Exact examples, please. >> >>He kind of has a point... Bernie and Hillary are portraying the top 1% >>as having reaped all the gains in the last 20 years - leaving the >>middle and lower classes to slide backwards. >> >>The difference is that Bernie and Hillary are right. > >FPP agrees with their demonization because it fits his agenda. Didn't >expect much else from him. > > >> Our society, >>since the 80's, has been rewarding the top 1% at the expense of the >>bottom 99%. Since the advent of the 21st century, the pace has just >>accelerated. > >Under the leadership of the Democrats. How do you explain this when >the party that is for "the little guy" (laughter) has been running >things? Well, of course, they haven't been. POTUS hasn't much influence over the ecconomy if the legislator blocks him from doing anything in that area (or in any area, for that matter). But neither party has an answer.
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| From | NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-15 14:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <epmgeb9hoe2vudpuejevovu4ljqlj3sg7p@4ax.com> |
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On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 15:17:29 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: >NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:11:45 -0400, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>On 2016-03-14 01:06:18 +0000, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> said: >>> >>>> In article <g22bebp7l8mou39lnig4vaju274cmj2cbi@4ax.com>, >>>> NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 17:06:37 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon >>>>> <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> No Country for Old White Men <nocoutry@white.man> wrote: >>>>>>> I don't care if our species would never reproduce again, why can't >>>>>>> everybody >>>>>>> be like me? Old, stupid, uneducated, white and impotent. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Emasculated white men love Donald Trump: The real reason a billionaire >>>>>>> bozo >>>>>>> rules the GOP >>>>>>> Trump's rise is directly related to a certain white male limpness -- and >>>>>>> their >>>>>>> fear of a female president >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> There's no doubt that there's a frightening amount of anger in the >>>>>>American >>>>>> public at the moment. But I don't think it is, at root, anything to do >>>>>>with >>>>>> the >>>>>> battle of the sexes or any subltety of psychology. It's down to a one >>>>>> simple, >>>>>> devastating fact, the decade by decade rise in median wealth that the West >>>>>> has >>>>>> enjoyed for most of the 20th century has stalled, basically since the new >>>>>> millenium termed. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is actually nothing to do with politics, and there's little >>>>>>politicians >>>>>> of >>>>>> any stamp can do about it. Its about globalisation, the same changes that >>>>>> have >>>>>> substantially reduced poverty in the world, have seem an evening out of >>>>>> wealth >>>>>> between nations. That means those of us who were at the top are losing >>>>>>out. >>>>>> >>>>>> Like most profound social change this is not the result of politics, but >>>>>>of >>>>>> technological change. I would say it's largely down to two inventions. The >>>>>> Internet, and perhaps more importantly, the container ship. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now the gut reaction to this by those suffering from frustrated >>>>>>expectations >>>>>> is >>>>>> to build a wall arround their nation. It wouldn't _work_, of course, but >>>>>>its >>>>>> the first thing people think about it and, for those not reflective enough >>>>>> for >>>>>> second thoughts, that's as far as they get. >>>>>> >>>>>> What's happening in America at the moment seems to me frighteningly >>>>>>similar >>>>>> to >>>>>> what went on in Germany in the '30s. There was the same rage. The same >>>>>> search >>>>>> for scapegoats. Trump is riding this rage not intuitively, but >>>>>>consciously, >>>>>> by >>>>>> calculation just as Hitler did. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You can easily say the exact same words about Hillary and Bernie. They >>>>> are using the exact same tactics, just directed at a different >>>>> population. Wonder why people only notice Trump? >>>> >>>> >>>> How are Hillary and Bernie doing the same. Exact examples, please. >>> >>>He kind of has a point... Bernie and Hillary are portraying the top 1% >>>as having reaped all the gains in the last 20 years - leaving the >>>middle and lower classes to slide backwards. >>> >>>The difference is that Bernie and Hillary are right. >> >>FPP agrees with their demonization because it fits his agenda. Didn't >>expect much else from him. >> >> >>> Our society, >>>since the 80's, has been rewarding the top 1% at the expense of the >>>bottom 99%. Since the advent of the 21st century, the pace has just >>>accelerated. >> >>Under the leadership of the Democrats. How do you explain this when >>the party that is for "the little guy" (laughter) has been running >>things? > >Well, of course, they haven't been. POTUS hasn't much influence over the >ecconomy if the legislator blocks him from doing anything in that area (or in >any area, for that matter). Don't forget that the President has not hesitated to use Executive Orders to get what he wants so the Legislative branch hasn't really any way of stopping things. > >But neither party has an answer. On that we agree.
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| From | Malcolm McMahon <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> |
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| Date | 2016-03-15 21:26 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <part1of1.1.NDi$fplH8m6sCw@ue.ph> |
| In reply to | #2074633 |
NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: >On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 15:17:29 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon ><malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: > >>NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:11:45 -0400, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>On 2016-03-14 01:06:18 +0000, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> >>>>said: >>>> >>>>> In article <g22bebp7l8mou39lnig4vaju274cmj2cbi@4ax.com>, >>>>> NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 17:06:37 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon >>>>>> <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> No Country for Old White Men <nocoutry@white.man> wrote: >>>>>>>> I don't care if our species would never reproduce again, why can't >>>>>>>> everybody >>>>>>>> be like me? Old, stupid, uneducated, white and impotent. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Emasculated white men love Donald Trump: The real reason a billionaire >>>>>>>> bozo >>>>>>>> rules the GOP >>>>>>>> Trump's rise is directly related to a certain white male limpness -- >>>>>>>>and >>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>> fear of a female president >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There's no doubt that there's a frightening amount of anger in the >>>>>>>American >>>>>>> public at the moment. But I don't think it is, at root, anything to do >>>>>>>with >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> battle of the sexes or any subltety of psychology. It's down to a one >>>>>>> simple, >>>>>>> devastating fact, the decade by decade rise in median wealth that the >>>>>>>West >>>>>>> has >>>>>>> enjoyed for most of the 20th century has stalled, basically since the >>>>>>>new >>>>>>> millenium termed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is actually nothing to do with politics, and there's little >>>>>>>politicians >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> any stamp can do about it. Its about globalisation, the same changes >>>>>>>that >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> substantially reduced poverty in the world, have seem an evening out of >>>>>>> wealth >>>>>>> between nations. That means those of us who were at the top are losing >>>>>>>out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Like most profound social change this is not the result of politics, >>>>>>>but >>>>>>>of >>>>>>> technological change. I would say it's largely down to two inventions. >>>>>>>The >>>>>>> Internet, and perhaps more importantly, the container ship. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now the gut reaction to this by those suffering from frustrated >>>>>>>expectations >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> to build a wall arround their nation. It wouldn't _work_, of course, >>>>>>>but >>>>>>>its >>>>>>> the first thing people think about it and, for those not reflective >>>>>>>enough >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> second thoughts, that's as far as they get. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What's happening in America at the moment seems to me frighteningly >>>>>>>similar >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> what went on in Germany in the '30s. There was the same rage. The same >>>>>>> search >>>>>>> for scapegoats. Trump is riding this rage not intuitively, but >>>>>>>consciously, >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> calculation just as Hitler did. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You can easily say the exact same words about Hillary and Bernie. They >>>>>> are using the exact same tactics, just directed at a different >>>>>> population. Wonder why people only notice Trump? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> How are Hillary and Bernie doing the same. Exact examples, please. >>>> >>>>He kind of has a point... Bernie and Hillary are portraying the top 1% >>>>as having reaped all the gains in the last 20 years - leaving the >>>>middle and lower classes to slide backwards. >>>> >>>>The difference is that Bernie and Hillary are right. >>> >>>FPP agrees with their demonization because it fits his agenda. Didn't >>>expect much else from him. >>> >>> >>>> Our society, >>>>since the 80's, has been rewarding the top 1% at the expense of the >>>>bottom 99%. Since the advent of the 21st century, the pace has just >>>>accelerated. >>> >>>Under the leadership of the Democrats. How do you explain this when >>>the party that is for "the little guy" (laughter) has been running >>>things? >> >>Well, of course, they haven't been. POTUS hasn't much influence over the >>ecconomy if the legislator blocks him from doing anything in that area (or in >>any area, for that matter). > >Don't forget that the President has not hesitated to use Executive >Orders to get what he wants so the Legislative branch hasn't really >any way of stopping things. Given the determination of the opposition he could have accomplished nothing at all without taking such measures. But, as I understand it, the division of powers leaves the president with almost no levers to affect the ecconomy. That's a function of the legislature. The Repulicans have been effectively in charge of the ecconomy throughout most of Obama's administration. From the start the Republicans made it an aspect of party discipline. NO cooperation, under ANY circumstances. > >> >>But neither party has an answer. > >On that we agree.
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| From | Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-15 19:45 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hlwdjsd2-7CF058.19453115032016@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #2074704 |
In article <part1of1.1.NDi$fplH8m6sCw@ue.ph>, Malcolm McMahon <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: > NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: > >On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 15:17:29 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon > ><malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: > > > >>NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: > >>>On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:11:45 -0400, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>>On 2016-03-14 01:06:18 +0000, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> > >>>>said: > >>>> > >>>>> In article <g22bebp7l8mou39lnig4vaju274cmj2cbi@4ax.com>, > >>>>> NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 17:06:37 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon > >>>>>> <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> No Country for Old White Men <nocoutry@white.man> wrote: > >>>>>>>> I don't care if our species would never reproduce again, why can't > >>>>>>>> everybody > >>>>>>>> be like me? Old, stupid, uneducated, white and impotent. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Emasculated white men love Donald Trump: The real reason a > >>>>>>>> billionaire > >>>>>>>> bozo > >>>>>>>> rules the GOP > >>>>>>>> Trump's rise is directly related to a certain white male limpness -- > >>>>>>>>and > >>>>>>>> their > >>>>>>>> fear of a female president > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> There's no doubt that there's a frightening amount of anger in the > >>>>>>>American > >>>>>>> public at the moment. But I don't think it is, at root, anything to > >>>>>>> do > >>>>>>>with > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> battle of the sexes or any subltety of psychology. It's down to a one > >>>>>>> simple, > >>>>>>> devastating fact, the decade by decade rise in median wealth that the > >>>>>>>West > >>>>>>> has > >>>>>>> enjoyed for most of the 20th century has stalled, basically since > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>new > >>>>>>> millenium termed. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> This is actually nothing to do with politics, and there's little > >>>>>>>politicians > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>> any stamp can do about it. Its about globalisation, the same changes > >>>>>>>that > >>>>>>> have > >>>>>>> substantially reduced poverty in the world, have seem an evening out > >>>>>>> of > >>>>>>> wealth > >>>>>>> between nations. That means those of us who were at the top are > >>>>>>> losing > >>>>>>>out. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Like most profound social change this is not the result of politics, > >>>>>>>but > >>>>>>>of > >>>>>>> technological change. I would say it's largely down to two > >>>>>>> inventions. > >>>>>>>The > >>>>>>> Internet, and perhaps more importantly, the container ship. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Now the gut reaction to this by those suffering from frustrated > >>>>>>>expectations > >>>>>>> is > >>>>>>> to build a wall arround their nation. It wouldn't _work_, of course, > >>>>>>>but > >>>>>>>its > >>>>>>> the first thing people think about it and, for those not reflective > >>>>>>>enough > >>>>>>> for > >>>>>>> second thoughts, that's as far as they get. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What's happening in America at the moment seems to me frighteningly > >>>>>>>similar > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> what went on in Germany in the '30s. There was the same rage. The > >>>>>>> same > >>>>>>> search > >>>>>>> for scapegoats. Trump is riding this rage not intuitively, but > >>>>>>>consciously, > >>>>>>> by > >>>>>>> calculation just as Hitler did. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You can easily say the exact same words about Hillary and Bernie. They > >>>>>> are using the exact same tactics, just directed at a different > >>>>>> population. Wonder why people only notice Trump? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> How are Hillary and Bernie doing the same. Exact examples, please. > >>>> > >>>>He kind of has a point... Bernie and Hillary are portraying the top 1% > >>>>as having reaped all the gains in the last 20 years - leaving the > >>>>middle and lower classes to slide backwards. > >>>> > >>>>The difference is that Bernie and Hillary are right. > >>> > >>>FPP agrees with their demonization because it fits his agenda. Didn't > >>>expect much else from him. > >>> > >>> > >>>> Our society, > >>>>since the 80's, has been rewarding the top 1% at the expense of the > >>>>bottom 99%. Since the advent of the 21st century, the pace has just > >>>>accelerated. > >>> > >>>Under the leadership of the Democrats. How do you explain this when > >>>the party that is for "the little guy" (laughter) has been running > >>>things? > >> > >>Well, of course, they haven't been. POTUS hasn't much influence over the > >>ecconomy if the legislator blocks him from doing anything in that area (or > >>in > >>any area, for that matter). > > > >Don't forget that the President has not hesitated to use Executive > >Orders to get what he wants so the Legislative branch hasn't really > >any way of stopping things. > > Given the determination of the opposition he could have accomplished nothing > at > all without taking such measures. But, as I understand it, the division of > powers leaves the president with almost no levers to affect the ecconomy. > That's a function of the legislature. The Repulicans have been effectively in > charge of the ecconomy throughout most of Obama's administration. > > From the start the Republicans made it an aspect of party discipline. NO > cooperation, under ANY circumstances. Yep. They put their party above the American people and their needs. I call that sedition. -- JD "If ANYONE will not welcome you or listen to your words, LEAVE that home or town and shake the dust off your feet." Matthew 10:14
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| From | Bill Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> |
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| Date | 2016-03-16 14:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5Nmdnd1uLPRxN3TLnZ2dnUU7-R_NnZ2d@earthlink.com> |
| In reply to | #2074897 |
On 3/15/16 10:45 PM, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > In article <part1of1.1.NDi$fplH8m6sCw@ue.ph>, > Malcolm McMahon <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: > >> NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 15:17:29 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon >>> <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:11:45 -0400, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2016-03-14 01:06:18 +0000, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> >>>>>> said: >>>>>> >>>>>>> In article <g22bebp7l8mou39lnig4vaju274cmj2cbi@4ax.com>, >>>>>>> NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 17:06:37 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon >>>>>>>> <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No Country for Old White Men <nocoutry@white.man> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I don't care if our species would never reproduce again, why can't >>>>>>>>>> everybody >>>>>>>>>> be like me? Old, stupid, uneducated, white and impotent. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Emasculated white men love Donald Trump: The real reason a >>>>>>>>>> billionaire >>>>>>>>>> bozo >>>>>>>>>> rules the GOP >>>>>>>>>> Trump's rise is directly related to a certain white male limpness -- >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>> fear of a female president >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There's no doubt that there's a frightening amount of anger in the >>>>>>>>> American >>>>>>>>> public at the moment. But I don't think it is, at root, anything to >>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> battle of the sexes or any subltety of psychology. It's down to a one >>>>>>>>> simple, >>>>>>>>> devastating fact, the decade by decade rise in median wealth that the >>>>>>>>> West >>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>> enjoyed for most of the 20th century has stalled, basically since >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> new >>>>>>>>> millenium termed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is actually nothing to do with politics, and there's little >>>>>>>>> politicians >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> any stamp can do about it. Its about globalisation, the same changes >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> substantially reduced poverty in the world, have seem an evening out >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> wealth >>>>>>>>> between nations. That means those of us who were at the top are >>>>>>>>> losing >>>>>>>>> out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Like most profound social change this is not the result of politics, >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> technological change. I would say it's largely down to two >>>>>>>>> inventions. >>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>> Internet, and perhaps more importantly, the container ship. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now the gut reaction to this by those suffering from frustrated >>>>>>>>> expectations >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> to build a wall arround their nation. It wouldn't _work_, of course, >>>>>>>>> but >>>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>>> the first thing people think about it and, for those not reflective >>>>>>>>> enough >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> second thoughts, that's as far as they get. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What's happening in America at the moment seems to me frighteningly >>>>>>>>> similar >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> what went on in Germany in the '30s. There was the same rage. The >>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>> search >>>>>>>>> for scapegoats. Trump is riding this rage not intuitively, but >>>>>>>>> consciously, >>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>> calculation just as Hitler did. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can easily say the exact same words about Hillary and Bernie. They >>>>>>>> are using the exact same tactics, just directed at a different >>>>>>>> population. Wonder why people only notice Trump? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How are Hillary and Bernie doing the same. Exact examples, please. >>>>>> >>>>>> He kind of has a point... Bernie and Hillary are portraying the top 1% >>>>>> as having reaped all the gains in the last 20 years - leaving the >>>>>> middle and lower classes to slide backwards. >>>>>> >>>>>> The difference is that Bernie and Hillary are right. >>>>> >>>>> FPP agrees with their demonization because it fits his agenda. Didn't >>>>> expect much else from him. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Our society, >>>>>> since the 80's, has been rewarding the top 1% at the expense of the >>>>>> bottom 99%. Since the advent of the 21st century, the pace has just >>>>>> accelerated. >>>>> >>>>> Under the leadership of the Democrats. How do you explain this when >>>>> the party that is for "the little guy" (laughter) has been running >>>>> things? >>>> >>>> Well, of course, they haven't been. POTUS hasn't much influence over the >>>> ecconomy if the legislator blocks him from doing anything in that area (or >>>> in >>>> any area, for that matter). >>> >>> Don't forget that the President has not hesitated to use Executive >>> Orders to get what he wants so the Legislative branch hasn't really >>> any way of stopping things. >> >> Given the determination of the opposition he could have accomplished nothing >> at >> all without taking such measures. But, as I understand it, the division of >> powers leaves the president with almost no levers to affect the ecconomy. >> That's a function of the legislature. The Repulicans have been effectively in >> charge of the ecconomy throughout most of Obama's administration. >> >> From the start the Republicans made it an aspect of party discipline. NO >> cooperation, under ANY circumstances. > > > Yep. They put their party above the American people and their needs. > > I call that sedition. > They worked for the rich, who run the country, so they are patriots.
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| From | Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-15 19:44 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hlwdjsd2-760F72.19444015032016@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #2074633 |
In article <epmgeb9hoe2vudpuejevovu4ljqlj3sg7p@4ax.com>, NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: > On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 15:17:29 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon > <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: > > >NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: > >>On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:11:45 -0400, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>>On 2016-03-14 01:06:18 +0000, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> > >>>said: > >>> > >>>> In article <g22bebp7l8mou39lnig4vaju274cmj2cbi@4ax.com>, > >>>> NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 17:06:37 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon > >>>>> <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> No Country for Old White Men <nocoutry@white.man> wrote: > >>>>>>> I don't care if our species would never reproduce again, why can't > >>>>>>> everybody > >>>>>>> be like me? Old, stupid, uneducated, white and impotent. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Emasculated white men love Donald Trump: The real reason a > >>>>>>> billionaire > >>>>>>> bozo > >>>>>>> rules the GOP > >>>>>>> Trump's rise is directly related to a certain white male limpness -- > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> their > >>>>>>> fear of a female president > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There's no doubt that there's a frightening amount of anger in the > >>>>>>American > >>>>>> public at the moment. But I don't think it is, at root, anything to do > >>>>>>with > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> battle of the sexes or any subltety of psychology. It's down to a one > >>>>>> simple, > >>>>>> devastating fact, the decade by decade rise in median wealth that the > >>>>>> West > >>>>>> has > >>>>>> enjoyed for most of the 20th century has stalled, basically since the > >>>>>> new > >>>>>> millenium termed. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This is actually nothing to do with politics, and there's little > >>>>>>politicians > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> any stamp can do about it. Its about globalisation, the same changes > >>>>>> that > >>>>>> have > >>>>>> substantially reduced poverty in the world, have seem an evening out > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> wealth > >>>>>> between nations. That means those of us who were at the top are losing > >>>>>>out. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Like most profound social change this is not the result of politics, > >>>>>> but > >>>>>>of > >>>>>> technological change. I would say it's largely down to two inventions. > >>>>>> The > >>>>>> Internet, and perhaps more importantly, the container ship. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Now the gut reaction to this by those suffering from frustrated > >>>>>>expectations > >>>>>> is > >>>>>> to build a wall arround their nation. It wouldn't _work_, of course, > >>>>>> but > >>>>>>its > >>>>>> the first thing people think about it and, for those not reflective > >>>>>> enough > >>>>>> for > >>>>>> second thoughts, that's as far as they get. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What's happening in America at the moment seems to me frighteningly > >>>>>>similar > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> what went on in Germany in the '30s. There was the same rage. The same > >>>>>> search > >>>>>> for scapegoats. Trump is riding this rage not intuitively, but > >>>>>>consciously, > >>>>>> by > >>>>>> calculation just as Hitler did. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> You can easily say the exact same words about Hillary and Bernie. They > >>>>> are using the exact same tactics, just directed at a different > >>>>> population. Wonder why people only notice Trump? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> How are Hillary and Bernie doing the same. Exact examples, please. > >>> > >>>He kind of has a point... Bernie and Hillary are portraying the top 1% > >>>as having reaped all the gains in the last 20 years - leaving the > >>>middle and lower classes to slide backwards. > >>> > >>>The difference is that Bernie and Hillary are right. > >> > >>FPP agrees with their demonization because it fits his agenda. Didn't > >>expect much else from him. > >> > >> > >>> Our society, > >>>since the 80's, has been rewarding the top 1% at the expense of the > >>>bottom 99%. Since the advent of the 21st century, the pace has just > >>>accelerated. > >> > >>Under the leadership of the Democrats. How do you explain this when > >>the party that is for "the little guy" (laughter) has been running > >>things? > > > >Well, of course, they haven't been. POTUS hasn't much influence over the > >ecconomy if the legislator blocks him from doing anything in that area (or > >in > >any area, for that matter). > > Don't forget that the President has not hesitated to use Executive > Orders to get what he wants so the Legislative branch hasn't really > any way of stopping things. The President has signed far fewer Executive Orders than any President in recent history. Executive orders are the way that Presidents enforce the laws that Congress has passed. -- JD "If ANYONE will not welcome you or listen to your words, LEAVE that home or town and shake the dust off your feet." Matthew 10:14
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| From | Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-15 21:20 -0700 |
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On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 10:44:42 PM UTC-4, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > In article <epmgeb9hoe2vudpuejevovu4ljqlj3sg7p@4ax.com>, > NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 15:17:29 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon > > <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: > > > > >NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: > > >>On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:11:45 -0400, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >>>On 2016-03-14 01:06:18 +0000, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> > > >>>said: > > >>> > > >>>> In article <g22bebp7l8mou39lnig4vaju274cmj2cbi@4ax.com>, > > >>>> NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 17:06:37 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon > > >>>>> <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> No Country for Old White Men <nocoutry@white.man> wrote: > > >>>>>>> I don't care if our species would never reproduce again, why can't > > >>>>>>> everybody > > >>>>>>> be like me? Old, stupid, uneducated, white and impotent. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Emasculated white men love Donald Trump: The real reason a > > >>>>>>> billionaire > > >>>>>>> bozo > > >>>>>>> rules the GOP > > >>>>>>> Trump's rise is directly related to a certain white male limpness -- > > >>>>>>> and > > >>>>>>> their > > >>>>>>> fear of a female president > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> There's no doubt that there's a frightening amount of anger in the > > >>>>>>American > > >>>>>> public at the moment. But I don't think it is, at root, anything to do > > >>>>>>with > > >>>>>> the > > >>>>>> battle of the sexes or any subltety of psychology. It's down to a one > > >>>>>> simple, > > >>>>>> devastating fact, the decade by decade rise in median wealth that the > > >>>>>> West > > >>>>>> has > > >>>>>> enjoyed for most of the 20th century has stalled, basically since the > > >>>>>> new > > >>>>>> millenium termed. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> This is actually nothing to do with politics, and there's little > > >>>>>>politicians > > >>>>>> of > > >>>>>> any stamp can do about it. Its about globalisation, the same changes > > >>>>>> that > > >>>>>> have > > >>>>>> substantially reduced poverty in the world, have seem an evening out > > >>>>>> of > > >>>>>> wealth > > >>>>>> between nations. That means those of us who were at the top are losing > > >>>>>>out. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Like most profound social change this is not the result of politics, > > >>>>>> but > > >>>>>>of > > >>>>>> technological change. I would say it's largely down to two inventions. > > >>>>>> The > > >>>>>> Internet, and perhaps more importantly, the container ship. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Now the gut reaction to this by those suffering from frustrated > > >>>>>>expectations > > >>>>>> is > > >>>>>> to build a wall arround their nation. It wouldn't _work_, of course, > > >>>>>> but > > >>>>>>its > > >>>>>> the first thing people think about it and, for those not reflective > > >>>>>> enough > > >>>>>> for > > >>>>>> second thoughts, that's as far as they get. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> What's happening in America at the moment seems to me frighteningly > > >>>>>>similar > > >>>>>> to > > >>>>>> what went on in Germany in the '30s. There was the same rage. The same > > >>>>>> search > > >>>>>> for scapegoats. Trump is riding this rage not intuitively, but > > >>>>>>consciously, > > >>>>>> by > > >>>>>> calculation just as Hitler did. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> You can easily say the exact same words about Hillary and Bernie. They > > >>>>> are using the exact same tactics, just directed at a different > > >>>>> population. Wonder why people only notice Trump? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> How are Hillary and Bernie doing the same. Exact examples, please. > > >>> > > >>>He kind of has a point... Bernie and Hillary are portraying the top 1% > > >>>as having reaped all the gains in the last 20 years - leaving the > > >>>middle and lower classes to slide backwards. > > >>> > > >>>The difference is that Bernie and Hillary are right. > > >> > > >>FPP agrees with their demonization because it fits his agenda. Didn't > > >>expect much else from him. > > >> > > >> > > >>> Our society, > > >>>since the 80's, has been rewarding the top 1% at the expense of the > > >>>bottom 99%. Since the advent of the 21st century, the pace has just > > >>>accelerated. > > >> > > >>Under the leadership of the Democrats. How do you explain this when > > >>the party that is for "the little guy" (laughter) has been running > > >>things? > > > > > >Well, of course, they haven't been. POTUS hasn't much influence over the > > >ecconomy if the legislator blocks him from doing anything in that area (or > > >in > > >any area, for that matter). > > > > Don't forget that the President has not hesitated to use Executive > > Orders to get what he wants so the Legislative branch hasn't really > > any way of stopping things. > > The President has signed far fewer Executive Orders than any President > in recent history. > > Executive orders are the way that Presidents enforce the laws that > Congress has passed. > Thank you. The morons on the right believe all the propaganda claiming that Obama's EOs constitute some sort of dictatorial power. The wimgaoons are utterly shameless. > > JD > > "If ANYONE will not welcome you or listen to > your words, LEAVE that home or town and shake > the dust off your feet." Matthew 10:14
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| From | Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2016-03-15 21:18 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6201fe4d-e051-47c2-8099-02fc7a611a08@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #2074633 |
On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 2:58:50 PM UTC-4, NoBody wrote: > On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 15:17:29 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon > <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: > > >NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: > >>On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 22:11:45 -0400, FPP <fredp151@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>>On 2016-03-14 01:06:18 +0000, Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> said: > >>> > >>>> In article <g22bebp7l8mou39lnig4vaju274cmj2cbi@4ax.com>, > >>>> NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 17:06:37 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon > >>>>> <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> No Country for Old White Men <nocoutry@white.man> wrote: > >>>>>>> I don't care if our species would never reproduce again, why can't > >>>>>>> everybody > >>>>>>> be like me? Old, stupid, uneducated, white and impotent. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Emasculated white men love Donald Trump: The real reason a billionaire > >>>>>>> bozo > >>>>>>> rules the GOP > >>>>>>> Trump's rise is directly related to a certain white male limpness -- and > >>>>>>> their > >>>>>>> fear of a female president > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There's no doubt that there's a frightening amount of anger in the > >>>>>>American > >>>>>> public at the moment. But I don't think it is, at root, anything to do > >>>>>>with > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> battle of the sexes or any subltety of psychology. It's down to a one > >>>>>> simple, > >>>>>> devastating fact, the decade by decade rise in median wealth that the West > >>>>>> has > >>>>>> enjoyed for most of the 20th century has stalled, basically since the new > >>>>>> millenium termed. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This is actually nothing to do with politics, and there's little > >>>>>>politicians > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> any stamp can do about it. Its about globalisation, the same changes that > >>>>>> have > >>>>>> substantially reduced poverty in the world, have seem an evening out of > >>>>>> wealth > >>>>>> between nations. That means those of us who were at the top are losing > >>>>>>out. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Like most profound social change this is not the result of politics, but > >>>>>>of > >>>>>> technological change. I would say it's largely down to two inventions. The > >>>>>> Internet, and perhaps more importantly, the container ship. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Now the gut reaction to this by those suffering from frustrated > >>>>>>expectations > >>>>>> is > >>>>>> to build a wall arround their nation. It wouldn't _work_, of course, but > >>>>>>its > >>>>>> the first thing people think about it and, for those not reflective enough > >>>>>> for > >>>>>> second thoughts, that's as far as they get. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What's happening in America at the moment seems to me frighteningly > >>>>>>similar > >>>>>> to > >>>>>> what went on in Germany in the '30s. There was the same rage. The same > >>>>>> search > >>>>>> for scapegoats. Trump is riding this rage not intuitively, but > >>>>>>consciously, > >>>>>> by > >>>>>> calculation just as Hitler did. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> You can easily say the exact same words about Hillary and Bernie. They > >>>>> are using the exact same tactics, just directed at a different > >>>>> population. Wonder why people only notice Trump? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> How are Hillary and Bernie doing the same. Exact examples, please. > >>> > >>>He kind of has a point... Bernie and Hillary are portraying the top 1% > >>>as having reaped all the gains in the last 20 years - leaving the > >>>middle and lower classes to slide backwards. > >>> > >>>The difference is that Bernie and Hillary are right. > >> > >>FPP agrees with their demonization because it fits his agenda. Didn't > >>expect much else from him. > >> > >> > >>> Our society, > >>>since the 80's, has been rewarding the top 1% at the expense of the > >>>bottom 99%. Since the advent of the 21st century, the pace has just > >>>accelerated. > >> > >>Under the leadership of the Democrats. How do you explain this when > >>the party that is for "the little guy" (laughter) has been running > >>things? > > > >Well, of course, they haven't been. POTUS hasn't much influence over the > >ecconomy if the legislator blocks him from doing anything in that area (or in > >any area, for that matter). > > Don't forget that the President has not hesitated to use Executive > Orders to get what he wants so the Legislative branch hasn't really > any way of stopping things. This is Fox analysis. EOs are not LAW, moron. They're directives aimed at the executive department ordering the way laws should be enforced and the will of congress executed. The president can't make law and can't not enforce law. Name one bloody thing Obama has ever done with an EO that effectively creates law, appropriates funds, raises bills of revenue or anything else reserved to congress. Christ on a cross! The sons of bitches in the Senate won't even let him present a nominee for the Supreme Court vacancy, which is clearly his duty under the constitution. > > > > >But neither party has an answer. > > On that we agree.
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