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| Started by | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| First post | 2015-08-16 01:26 -0400 |
| Last post | 2015-08-19 07:43 +0800 |
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 01:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 19:53 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 14:58 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 10:52 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:56 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 19:49 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 18:50 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:33 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:26 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:35 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 20:41 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 04:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 22:44 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 05:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 08:10 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-22 03:42 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:26 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 09:21 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 17:45 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 21:17 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 17:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-24 23:40 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 10:24 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 11:05 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-24 14:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-26 07:28 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 16:55 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 00:10 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 14:49 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 17:20 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 02:48 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 20:02 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 20:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-26 07:45 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:45 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 00:31 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 16:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 17:33 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 22:51 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 08:48 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-18 18:30 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-18 19:15 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:39 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:21 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:40 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 12:34 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 00:51 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 14:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 10:05 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 01:13 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 20:38 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:28 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 11:52 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 17:47 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2015-08-23 16:09 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-25 00:14 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 21:52 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 00:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:23 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:30 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:32 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 23:38 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:55 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:12 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:25 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:45 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:28 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:43 +0800
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| From | Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-18 22:51 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mr0csj$k35$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1963157 |
niunian wrote: > Attila wrote: > >> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. As far back as can be found, a small percentage of the population has had direct personal observation of the spirits of the world. As far back as can be found, a large percentage of the poulation has no direct observation of the spirits of the world. So there's no surprise that any one individual does not detect them. > I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same > way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The > spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. Yet no instrument has ever detected the spirits of the world, either. As such that direct personal observation does not constitute "evidence". Until some such instrument is invented, if ever, the matter of direct personal observeration that is the starting point of all religion remains outside of the realm of science. To the extent no one tries to impose their observations on others - Ooops there for a small number of very large population religions. To the extent no one claims that the existence of their deity can be proved by science - Ooops there for one specific very large population religion.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 08:48 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mr0jm5$7pf$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1963662 |
On 2015-08-19 06:51 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote: > niunian wrote: >> Attila wrote: >> >>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. > > As far back as can be found, a small percentage of the population has > had direct personal observation of the spirits of the world. It's not called "observation". It's better called as "understanding". It is not possible to "observe" the spiritual world. As far > back as can be found, a large percentage of the poulation has no direct > observation of the spirits of the world. > > So there's no surprise that any one individual does not detect them. > >> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same >> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The >> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. > > Yet no instrument has ever detected the spirits of the world, either. > As such that direct personal observation does not constitute "evidence". > > Until some such instrument is invented, No need to bother. It can not be done. if ever, the matter of direct > personal observeration that is the starting point of all religion > remains outside of the realm of science. To the extent no one tries to > impose their observations on others - Ooops there for a small number of > very large population religions. To the extent no one claims that the > existence of their deity can be proved by science - Ooops there for one > specific very large population religion. Your claim is flawed. Religion is a philosophy of life that is outside science. Science can not prove or disprove philosophy. It is neither capable, nor qualified to talk about philosophy.
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| From | Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-18 18:30 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <hlwdjsd2-334022.18302018082015@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #1963662 |
In article <mr0csj$k35$1@dont-email.me>, Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote: > niunian wrote: > > Attila wrote: > > > >> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. > > As far back as can be found, a small percentage of the population has > had direct personal observation of the spirits of the world. ] What "spirits"? Do you have any evidence that any such thing exists? And, no, visions indistinguishable from hallucinations are not evidence. -- JD I've officially given up trying to find the bottom of the barrel that is Republican depravity.--Jidyom Rosario, Addicting Info
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| From | Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-18 19:15 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <d0d901c9-a769-40f7-91e1-a805a92772f1@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #1963743 |
On Tuesday, August 18, 2015 at 9:30:23 PM UTC-4, Jeanne Douglas wrote: > In article <mr0csj$k35$1@dont-email.me>, > Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > niunian wrote: > > > Attila wrote: > > > > > >> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. > > > > As far back as can be found, a small percentage of the population has > > had direct personal observation of the spirits of the world. ] > > > What "spirits"? Do you have any evidence that any such thing exists? ...and "are they friendly spirits?" [/Rocket J Squirrel] > And, no, visions indistinguishable from hallucinations are not evidence. Hear her! Hear her! Kevin R
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 04:39 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <j4g8tadqu3n73rdh87ksq2nq2jsbndsobq@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1963780 |
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 19:15:34 -0700 (PDT), Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <d0d901c9-a769-40f7-91e1-a805a92772f1@googlegroups.com> wrote: >On Tuesday, August 18, 2015 at 9:30:23 PM UTC-4, Jeanne Douglas wrote: >> In article <mr0csj$k35$1@dont-email.me>, >> Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> > niunian wrote: >> > > Attila wrote: >> > > >> > >> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. >> > >> > As far back as can be found, a small percentage of the population has >> > had direct personal observation of the spirits of the world. ] >> >> >> What "spirits"? Do you have any evidence that any such thing exists? > >...and "are they friendly spirits?" > >[/Rocket J Squirrel] > Casper? -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 04:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <jvf8tah1h8hi8fjrkqgqvra3nc0f54b0fk@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1963662 |
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 22:51:00 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mr0csj$k35$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >niunian wrote: >> Attila wrote: >> >>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. > >As far back as can be found, a small percentage of the population has >had direct personal observation of the spirits of the world. As far >back as can be found, a large percentage of the poulation has no direct >observation of the spirits of the world. > >So there's no surprise that any one individual does not detect them. I wonder what percentage of that "small percentage' was on drugs at the time? Or was delusional? Or flat out lied? > >> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same >> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The >> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. > >Yet no instrument has ever detected the spirits of the world, either. >As such that direct personal observation does not constitute "evidence". > >Until some such instrument is invented, if ever, the matter of direct >personal observeration that is the starting point of all religion >remains outside of the realm of science. To the extent no one tries to >impose their observations on others - Ooops there for a small number of >very large population religions. To the extent no one claims that the >existence of their deity can be proved by science - Ooops there for one >specific very large population religion. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 13:21 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <d3e1u7Ftc24U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1962394 |
On 17/08/2015 10:56, Attila < wrote: > On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:52:33 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mqri7d$uc4$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-16 09:58 PM, Alex W. wrote: >>> On 16/08/2015 12:53, niunian wrote: >>>> On 2015-08-16 01:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>> In article <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me>, >>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down >>>>>>>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Um, what definition is that? >>>>>> >>>>>> By definition, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the >>>>>> world of death. >>>>> >>>>> And what definition is _that_? >>>> >>>> It's the definition of God as the living God who gives life to all >>>> living things. Without God, all living things will die, and the world of >>>> living will cease to exist. >>> >>> <looks around> >>> >>> No god, and everything is still here... >> >> The God of living is from within, not without. So stop looking around, >> there is nothing you can see with your eyes or hear with your ears. It's >> called a realization from the within. > > It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. There's nothing ambiguous about it being poppycock.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 19:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <6uq4tahd8mg45vs3dghskhle3j5mt78hbp@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1962456 |
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 13:21:27 +0100, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> in alt.atheism with message-id <d3e1u7Ftc24U2@mid.individual.net> wrote: >On 17/08/2015 10:56, Attila < wrote: >> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:52:33 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >> alt.atheism with message-id <mqri7d$uc4$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-08-16 09:58 PM, Alex W. wrote: >>>> On 16/08/2015 12:53, niunian wrote: >>>>> On 2015-08-16 01:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>>> In article <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me>, >>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down >>>>>>>>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Um, what definition is that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By definition, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the >>>>>>> world of death. >>>>>> >>>>>> And what definition is _that_? >>>>> >>>>> It's the definition of God as the living God who gives life to all >>>>> living things. Without God, all living things will die, and the world of >>>>> living will cease to exist. >>>> >>>> <looks around> >>>> >>>> No god, and everything is still here... >>> >>> The God of living is from within, not without. So stop looking around, >>> there is nothing you can see with your eyes or hear with your ears. It's >>> called a realization from the within. >> >> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. > >There's nothing ambiguous about it being poppycock. > True, but it also contains more than a bit of ambiguity. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 13:40 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <d3e321FtnnhU1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1962201 |
On 17/08/2015 03:52, niunian wrote: > On 2015-08-16 09:58 PM, Alex W. wrote: >> On 16/08/2015 12:53, niunian wrote: >>> On 2015-08-16 01:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>> In article <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me>, >>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>> >>>>> On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down >>>>>>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>>>>> >>>>>> Um, what definition is that? >>>>> >>>>> By definition, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the >>>>> world of death. >>>> >>>> And what definition is _that_? >>> >>> It's the definition of God as the living God who gives life to all >>> living things. Without God, all living things will die, and the world of >>> living will cease to exist. >> >> <looks around> >> >> No god, and everything is still here... > > The God of living is from within, not without. So stop looking around, > there is nothing you can see with your eyes or hear with your ears. It's > called a realization from the within. I did experience that once. It was a fever-induced hallucination. I recovered.
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| From | kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 12:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <e834ta9h4dll00bapme756e4c7mlrem7if@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1962478 |
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 13:40:33 +0100, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
>On 17/08/2015 03:52, niunian wrote nonsense:
More nonsense about nothingness cross-posted
indiscriminately.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-18 00:51 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqt3bj$96o$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1962478 |
On 2015-08-17 08:40 PM, Alex W. wrote: > On 17/08/2015 03:52, niunian wrote: >> On 2015-08-16 09:58 PM, Alex W. wrote: >>> On 16/08/2015 12:53, niunian wrote: >>>> On 2015-08-16 01:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>> In article <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me>, >>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down >>>>>>>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Um, what definition is that? >>>>>> >>>>>> By definition, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the >>>>>> world of death. >>>>> >>>>> And what definition is _that_? >>>> >>>> It's the definition of God as the living God who gives life to all >>>> living things. Without God, all living things will die, and the >>>> world of >>>> living will cease to exist. >>> >>> <looks around> >>> >>> No god, and everything is still here... >> >> The God of living is from within, not without. So stop looking around, >> there is nothing you can see with your eyes or hear with your ears. It's >> called a realization from the within. > > I did experience that once. > It was a fever-induced hallucination. > I recovered. Nothing to do with hallucinations. It's just simple understanding with the power to change one's life. The mind is clear and at peace. No visual image, and no voices in the mind.
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| From | kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 14:36 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <nba4ta1mf65v9vfic43j4e3mas5asia874@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1962605 |
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 00:51:06 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote:
>On 2015-08-17 08:40 PM, Alex W. wrote nothing but nonsense:
More nonsense about nothingness cross-posted
indiscriminately.
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| From | Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-21 10:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <1195d80b-9d48-4552-810b-9db4bcdfc411@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #1962605 |
On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 12:51:39 PM UTC-4, niunian wrote: > On 2015-08-17 08:40 PM, Alex W. wrote: > > On 17/08/2015 03:52, niunian wrote: > >> On 2015-08-16 09:58 PM, Alex W. wrote: > >>> On 16/08/2015 12:53, niunian wrote: > >>>> On 2015-08-16 01:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: > >>>>> In article <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me>, > >>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: > >>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down > >>>>>>>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Um, what definition is that? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> By definition, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the > >>>>>> world of death. > >>>>> > >>>>> And what definition is _that_? > >>>> > >>>> It's the definition of God as the living God who gives life to all > >>>> living things. Without God, all living things will die, and the > >>>> world of > >>>> living will cease to exist. > >>> > >>> <looks around> > >>> > >>> No god, and everything is still here... > >> > >> The God of living is from within, not without. So stop looking around, > >> there is nothing you can see with your eyes or hear with your ears. It's > >> called a realization from the within. > > > > I did experience that once. > > It was a fever-induced hallucination. > > I recovered. > > Nothing to do with hallucinations. It's just simple understanding with > the power to change one's life. The mind is clear and at peace. No > visual image, and no voices in the mind. Of course you realize you're skating on the thin ice of insanity.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-22 01:13 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mr7m4q$b36$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1965818 |
On 2015-08-22 01:05 AM, Wexford Eire wrote: > On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 12:51:39 PM UTC-4, niunian wrote: >> On 2015-08-17 08:40 PM, Alex W. wrote: >>> On 17/08/2015 03:52, niunian wrote: >>>> On 2015-08-16 09:58 PM, Alex W. wrote: >>>>> On 16/08/2015 12:53, niunian wrote: >>>>>> On 2015-08-16 01:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>>>> In article <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me>, >>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down >>>>>>>>>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Um, what definition is that? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> By definition, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the >>>>>>>> world of death. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And what definition is _that_? >>>>>> >>>>>> It's the definition of God as the living God who gives life to all >>>>>> living things. Without God, all living things will die, and the >>>>>> world of >>>>>> living will cease to exist. >>>>> >>>>> <looks around> >>>>> >>>>> No god, and everything is still here... >>>> >>>> The God of living is from within, not without. So stop looking around, >>>> there is nothing you can see with your eyes or hear with your ears. It's >>>> called a realization from the within. >>> >>> I did experience that once. >>> It was a fever-induced hallucination. >>> I recovered. >> >> Nothing to do with hallucinations. It's just simple understanding with >> the power to change one's life. The mind is clear and at peace. No >> visual image, and no voices in the mind. > > Of course you realize you're skating on the thin ice of insanity. > I was afraid you would say that. It was why I specifically said there was no visual image and no voices in the mind. It is simple awakening, the enlightenment, the salvation.
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| From | Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-21 20:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e0afa970-f34d-4219-ad50-fe6b487ef705@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #1965826 |
On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 1:13:40 PM UTC-4, niunian wrote: > On 2015-08-22 01:05 AM, Wexford Eire wrote: > > On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 12:51:39 PM UTC-4, niunian wrote: > >> On 2015-08-17 08:40 PM, Alex W. wrote: > >>> On 17/08/2015 03:52, niunian wrote: > >>>> On 2015-08-16 09:58 PM, Alex W. wrote: > >>>>> On 16/08/2015 12:53, niunian wrote: > >>>>>> On 2015-08-16 01:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: > >>>>>>> In article <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me>, > >>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: > >>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down > >>>>>>>>>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Um, what definition is that? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> By definition, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the > >>>>>>>> world of death. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> And what definition is _that_? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> It's the definition of God as the living God who gives life to all > >>>>>> living things. Without God, all living things will die, and the > >>>>>> world of > >>>>>> living will cease to exist. > >>>>> > >>>>> <looks around> > >>>>> > >>>>> No god, and everything is still here... > >>>> > >>>> The God of living is from within, not without. So stop looking around, > >>>> there is nothing you can see with your eyes or hear with your ears. It's > >>>> called a realization from the within. > >>> > >>> I did experience that once. > >>> It was a fever-induced hallucination. > >>> I recovered. > >> > >> Nothing to do with hallucinations. It's just simple understanding with > >> the power to change one's life. The mind is clear and at peace. No > >> visual image, and no voices in the mind. > > > > Of course you realize you're skating on the thin ice of insanity. > > > > I was afraid you would say that. It was why I specifically said there > was no visual image and no voices in the mind. It is simple awakening, > the enlightenment, the salvation. Uh huh. But you still "feel" the presence, don't you?
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-22 16:28 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mr9bo2$nlp$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1966282 |
On 2015-08-22 11:38 AM, Wexford Eire wrote: > On Friday, August 21, 2015 at 1:13:40 PM UTC-4, niunian wrote: >> On 2015-08-22 01:05 AM, Wexford Eire wrote: >>> On Monday, August 17, 2015 at 12:51:39 PM UTC-4, niunian wrote: >>>> On 2015-08-17 08:40 PM, Alex W. wrote: >>>>> On 17/08/2015 03:52, niunian wrote: >>>>>> On 2015-08-16 09:58 PM, Alex W. wrote: >>>>>>> On 16/08/2015 12:53, niunian wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2015-08-16 01:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>>>>>> In article <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me>, >>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down >>>>>>>>>>>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Um, what definition is that? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> By definition, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the >>>>>>>>>> world of death. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And what definition is _that_? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's the definition of God as the living God who gives life to all >>>>>>>> living things. Without God, all living things will die, and the >>>>>>>> world of >>>>>>>> living will cease to exist. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <looks around> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No god, and everything is still here... >>>>>> >>>>>> The God of living is from within, not without. So stop looking around, >>>>>> there is nothing you can see with your eyes or hear with your ears. It's >>>>>> called a realization from the within. >>>>> >>>>> I did experience that once. >>>>> It was a fever-induced hallucination. >>>>> I recovered. >>>> >>>> Nothing to do with hallucinations. It's just simple understanding with >>>> the power to change one's life. The mind is clear and at peace. No >>>> visual image, and no voices in the mind. >>> >>> Of course you realize you're skating on the thin ice of insanity. >>> >> >> I was afraid you would say that. It was why I specifically said there >> was no visual image and no voices in the mind. It is simple awakening, >> the enlightenment, the salvation. > > Uh huh. But you still "feel" the presence, don't you? > Not a fucking chance!
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| From | Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-22 11:52 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <dc1b2f93-08b2-42d2-af3d-c755e8dd62bc@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #1962201 |
On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 7:53:09 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote: > On 2015-08-16 09:58 PM, Alex W. wrote: > > On 16/08/2015 12:53, niunian wrote: > >> On 2015-08-16 01:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: > >>> In article <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me>, > >>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > >>> > >>>> On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: > >>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > >>>>> > >>>>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down > >>>>>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. > >>>>> > >>>>> Um, what definition is that? > >>>> > >>>> By definition, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the > >>>> world of death. > >>> > >>> And what definition is _that_? > >> > >> It's the definition of God as the living God who gives life to all > >> living things. Without God, all living things will die, and the world of > >> living will cease to exist. > > > > <looks around> > > > > No god, and everything is still here... > > The God of living is from within, not without. So stop looking around, > there is nothing you can see with your eyes or hear with your ears. It's > called a realization from the within. Sounds more like a hallucination.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-23 17:47 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mrc4p0$p0h$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1966762 |
On 2015-08-23 02:52 AM, Cloud Hobbit wrote: > On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 7:53:09 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote: >> On 2015-08-16 09:58 PM, Alex W. wrote: >>> On 16/08/2015 12:53, niunian wrote: >>>> On 2015-08-16 01:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>> In article <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me>, >>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down >>>>>>>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Um, what definition is that? >>>>>> >>>>>> By definition, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the >>>>>> world of death. >>>>> >>>>> And what definition is _that_? >>>> >>>> It's the definition of God as the living God who gives life to all >>>> living things. Without God, all living things will die, and the world of >>>> living will cease to exist. >>> >>> <looks around> >>> >>> No god, and everything is still here... >> >> The God of living is from within, not without. So stop looking around, >> there is nothing you can see with your eyes or hear with your ears. It's >> called a realization from the within. > > Sounds more like a hallucination. > It can't be a hallucination if there is no image to be seen and no voice to be heard.
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| From | John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-08-23 16:09 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <YLoJnIABJe2VFwcN@hotmail.co.uk> |
| In reply to | #1967504 |
In article <mrc4p0$p0h$2@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> writes >On 2015-08-23 02:52 AM, Cloud Hobbit wrote: >> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 7:53:09 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote: >>> On 2015-08-16 09:58 PM, Alex W. wrote: >>>> On 16/08/2015 12:53, niunian wrote: >>>>> On 2015-08-16 01:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>>> In article <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me>, >>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down >>>>>>>>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Um, what definition is that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By definition, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the >>>>>>> world of death. >>>>>> >>>>>> And what definition is _that_? >>>>> >>>>> It's the definition of God as the living God who gives life to all >>>>> living things. Without God, all living things will die, and the world of >>>>> living will cease to exist. >>>> >>>> <looks around> >>>> >>>> No god, and everything is still here... >>> >>> The God of living is from within, not without. So stop looking around, >>> there is nothing you can see with your eyes or hear with your ears. It's >>> called a realization from the within. >> >> Sounds more like a hallucination. >> > >It can't be a hallucination if there is no image to be seen and no voice >to be heard. Maybe you detect it by the smell? -- John Ritson
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-25 00:14 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mrfiru$rfd$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1967704 |
On 2015-08-23 11:09 PM, John Ritson wrote: > In article <mrc4p0$p0h$2@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> > writes >> On 2015-08-23 02:52 AM, Cloud Hobbit wrote: >>> On Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 7:53:09 PM UTC-7, niunian wrote: >>>> On 2015-08-16 09:58 PM, Alex W. wrote: >>>>> On 16/08/2015 12:53, niunian wrote: >>>>>> On 2015-08-16 01:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>>>> In article <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me>, >>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down >>>>>>>>>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Um, what definition is that? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> By definition, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the >>>>>>>> world of death. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And what definition is _that_? >>>>>> >>>>>> It's the definition of God as the living God who gives life to all >>>>>> living things. Without God, all living things will die, and the world of >>>>>> living will cease to exist. >>>>> >>>>> <looks around> >>>>> >>>>> No god, and everything is still here... >>>> >>>> The God of living is from within, not without. So stop looking around, >>>> there is nothing you can see with your eyes or hear with your ears. It's >>>> called a realization from the within. >>> >>> Sounds more like a hallucination. >>> >> >> It can't be a hallucination if there is no image to be seen and no voice >> to be heard. > > Maybe you detect it by the smell? No. It only comes when we stop trying to detect it with our senses. The harder we try, the more difficult for it to happen. It's by the persistent concentration there is understanding arising from the within.
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