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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.

From	niunian <niunian@ymail.com>
Newsgroups	alt.atheism, rec.arts.sf.written, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science.
Date	2015-08-19 08:48 +0800
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On 2015-08-19 06:51 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> niunian wrote:
>> Attila  wrote:
>>
>>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed.
>
> As far back as can be found, a small percentage of the population has
> had direct personal observation of the spirits of the world.

It's not called "observation". It's better called as "understanding". It 
is not possible to "observe" the spiritual world.

   As far
> back as can be found, a large percentage of the poulation has no direct
> observation of the spirits of the world.
>
> So there's no surprise that any one individual does not detect them.
>
>> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same
>> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The
>> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes.
>
> Yet no instrument has ever detected the spirits of the world, either.
> As such that direct personal observation does not constitute "evidence".
>
> Until some such instrument is invented,

No need to bother. It can not be done.


  if ever, the matter of direct
> personal observeration that is the starting point of all religion
> remains outside of the realm of science.  To the extent no one tries to
> impose their observations on others - Ooops there for a small number of
> very large population religions.  To the extent no one claims that the
> existence of their deity can be proved by science - Ooops there for one
> specific very large population religion.

Your claim is flawed. Religion is a philosophy of life that is outside 
science. Science can not prove or disprove philosophy. It is neither 
capable, nor qualified to talk about philosophy.

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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 01:26 -0400
  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 19:53 +0800
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 14:58 +0100
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 10:52 +0800
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:56 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 19:49 +0800
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 18:50 -0400
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:33 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:26 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:26 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:35 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 20:41 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 04:58 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 22:44 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 05:01 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 08:10 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-22 03:42 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:26 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 09:21 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 17:45 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:59 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 21:17 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 17:04 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-24 23:40 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 10:24 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 11:05 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-24 14:55 -0500
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-26 07:28 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 16:55 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 00:10 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 14:49 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 17:20 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 02:48 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 20:02 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 20:32 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-26 07:45 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:45 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 00:31 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 16:48 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 17:33 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 22:51 +0000
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 08:48 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-18 18:30 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-18 19:15 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:39 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:38 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:21 +0100
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:19 -0400
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:40 +0100
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 12:34 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 00:51 +0800
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 14:36 -0400
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 10:05 -0700
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 01:13 +0800
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 20:38 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:28 +0800
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 11:52 -0700
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 17:47 +0800
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2015-08-23 16:09 +0100
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-25 00:14 +0800
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 21:52 -0700
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 00:57 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:10 -0400
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:23 -0400
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:30 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:32 -0700
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:37 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 23:38 -0700
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:55 -0400
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:12 +0800
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:25 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:45 +0800
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:28 -0400
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:43 +0800

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