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| Started by | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| First post | 2015-08-16 01:26 -0400 |
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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-16 01:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-16 19:53 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 14:58 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 10:52 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:56 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 19:49 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 18:50 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:33 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:26 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:26 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:35 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 20:41 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-20 04:58 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-20 22:44 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-21 05:01 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 08:10 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-22 03:42 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:26 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 09:21 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 17:45 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 03:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 21:17 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-23 17:04 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-24 23:40 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 10:24 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 11:05 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-24 14:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-26 07:28 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 16:55 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 00:10 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 14:49 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-24 20:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-26 07:45 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 03:45 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 00:31 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-26 16:48 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 22:51 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 08:48 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-18 18:30 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-18 19:15 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:39 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-19 04:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:21 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-17 13:40 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 12:34 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 00:51 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-17 14:36 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 10:05 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 01:13 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-21 20:38 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-22 16:28 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2015-08-22 11:52 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-23 17:47 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2015-08-23 16:09 +0100
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-25 00:14 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 21:52 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 00:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:23 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:30 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 22:32 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-18 01:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-17 23:38 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 05:55 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-17 20:12 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-17 19:25 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-18 13:45 +0800
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-18 03:28 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-19 07:43 +0800
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| From | wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) |
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| Date | 2015-08-16 01:26 -0400 |
| Subject | Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. |
| Message-ID | <mqp6u5$ah8$1@panix2.panix.com> |
In article <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me>, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >> >>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down >>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. >> >> Um, what definition is that? > > By definition, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the > world of death. And what definition is _that_? -- wds
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-16 19:53 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqpth7$jil$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1961434 |
On 2015-08-16 01:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: > In article <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me>, > niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: > >> On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>> >>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down >>>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>> >>> Um, what definition is that? >> >> By definition, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the >> world of death. > > And what definition is _that_? It's the definition of God as the living God who gives life to all living things. Without God, all living things will die, and the world of living will cease to exist. > > -- wds >
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-08-16 14:58 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <d3bj8sFag85U2@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1961554 |
On 16/08/2015 12:53, niunian wrote: > On 2015-08-16 01:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >> In article <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me>, >> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >> >>> On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>> >>>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down >>>>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>>> >>>> Um, what definition is that? >>> >>> By definition, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the >>> world of death. >> >> And what definition is _that_? > > It's the definition of God as the living God who gives life to all > living things. Without God, all living things will die, and the world of > living will cease to exist. <looks around> No god, and everything is still here...
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 10:52 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqri7d$uc4$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1961622 |
On 2015-08-16 09:58 PM, Alex W. wrote: > On 16/08/2015 12:53, niunian wrote: >> On 2015-08-16 01:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>> In article <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me>, >>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>> >>>>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down >>>>>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>>>> >>>>> Um, what definition is that? >>>> >>>> By definition, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the >>>> world of death. >>> >>> And what definition is _that_? >> >> It's the definition of God as the living God who gives life to all >> living things. Without God, all living things will die, and the world of >> living will cease to exist. > > <looks around> > > No god, and everything is still here... The God of living is from within, not without. So stop looking around, there is nothing you can see with your eyes or hear with your ears. It's called a realization from the within.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 05:56 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <itb3tapsfbkti28g2cgndc14k19p0dkfda@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1962201 |
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:52:33 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mqri7d$uc4$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >On 2015-08-16 09:58 PM, Alex W. wrote: >> On 16/08/2015 12:53, niunian wrote: >>> On 2015-08-16 01:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>> In article <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me>, >>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>> >>>>> On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down >>>>>>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>>>>> >>>>>> Um, what definition is that? >>>>> >>>>> By definition, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the >>>>> world of death. >>>> >>>> And what definition is _that_? >>> >>> It's the definition of God as the living God who gives life to all >>> living things. Without God, all living things will die, and the world of >>> living will cease to exist. >> >> <looks around> >> >> No god, and everything is still here... > >The God of living is from within, not without. So stop looking around, >there is nothing you can see with your eyes or hear with your ears. It's >called a realization from the within. It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 19:49 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqsjdi$7bt$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1962394 |
On 2015-08-17 05:56 PM, Attila < wrote: > On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:52:33 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mqri7d$uc4$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-16 09:58 PM, Alex W. wrote: >>> On 16/08/2015 12:53, niunian wrote: >>>> On 2015-08-16 01:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>> In article <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me>, >>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down >>>>>>>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Um, what definition is that? >>>>>> >>>>>> By definition, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the >>>>>> world of death. >>>>> >>>>> And what definition is _that_? >>>> >>>> It's the definition of God as the living God who gives life to all >>>> living things. Without God, all living things will die, and the world of >>>> living will cease to exist. >>> >>> <looks around> >>> >>> No god, and everything is still here... >> >> The God of living is from within, not without. So stop looking around, >> there is nothing you can see with your eyes or hear with your ears. It's >> called a realization from the within. > > It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. Why？ Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was from the within? > > -- > Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. > > Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially > those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. > > Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government > guaranteed above average income for every person. > > Every illegal alien is a criminal. > No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. > Deportation upon identification as the only option. > > If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly > before you run into me. >
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-17 18:50 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <v7p4talkqbn8j31s961hmht11oikhaoek8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1962452 |
On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:49:19 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mqsjdi$7bt$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >On 2015-08-17 05:56 PM, Attila < wrote: >> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:52:33 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >> alt.atheism with message-id <mqri7d$uc4$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-08-16 09:58 PM, Alex W. wrote: >>>> On 16/08/2015 12:53, niunian wrote: >>>>> On 2015-08-16 01:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>>> In article <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me>, >>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down >>>>>>>>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Um, what definition is that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By definition, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the >>>>>>> world of death. >>>>>> >>>>>> And what definition is _that_? >>>>> >>>>> It's the definition of God as the living God who gives life to all >>>>> living things. Without God, all living things will die, and the world of >>>>> living will cease to exist. >>>> >>>> <looks around> >>>> >>>> No god, and everything is still here... >>> >>> The God of living is from within, not without. So stop looking around, >>> there is nothing you can see with your eyes or hear with your ears. It's >>> called a realization from the within. >> >> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. > >Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was >from the within? I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-18 13:33 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mqujaa$gfe$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1962879 |
On 2015-08-18 06:50 AM, Attila < wrote: > On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 19:49:19 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mqsjdi$7bt$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-17 05:56 PM, Attila < wrote: >>> On Mon, 17 Aug 2015 10:52:33 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mqri7d$uc4$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-16 09:58 PM, Alex W. wrote: >>>>> On 16/08/2015 12:53, niunian wrote: >>>>>> On 2015-08-16 01:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>>>> In article <mqke7a$vf2$9@dont-email.me>, >>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2015-08-13 09:26 PM, William December Starr wrote: >>>>>>>>> niunian <niunian@ymail.com> said: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The fear of death can also be a purpose. It would be bowing down >>>>>>>>>> to the god of death which by definition, is the devil. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Um, what definition is that? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> By definition, God rules the world of living, the devil rules the >>>>>>>> world of death. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And what definition is _that_? >>>>>> >>>>>> It's the definition of God as the living God who gives life to all >>>>>> living things. Without God, all living things will die, and the world of >>>>>> living will cease to exist. >>>>> >>>>> <looks around> >>>>> >>>>> No god, and everything is still here... >>>> >>>> The God of living is from within, not without. So stop looking around, >>>> there is nothing you can see with your eyes or hear with your ears. It's >>>> called a realization from the within. >>> >>> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. >> >> Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was >>from the within? > > I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-18 03:26 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <5fn5tahgjehhh0o2ip3hbkffu90qvri5m8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1963157 |
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:33:08 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mqujaa$gfe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. >>> >>> Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was >>>from the within? >> >> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. > >I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same >way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The >spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. As I said, I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. That still holds true. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 07:26 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mr0hqp$2h7$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1963166 |
On 2015-08-18 03:26 PM, Attila < wrote: > On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:33:08 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mqujaa$gfe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > >>>>> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. >>>> >>>> Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was >>> >from the within? >>> >>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. >> >> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same >> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The >> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. > > As I said, I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever > existed. That still holds true. I'm afraid no one can force you to see what you don't want to see.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 04:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <4sf8tap9a9com2ur4ta9ro498p65vl0frl@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1963706 |
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:26:37 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mr0hqp$2h7$2@dont-email.me> wrote: >On 2015-08-18 03:26 PM, Attila < wrote: >> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:33:08 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >> alt.atheism with message-id <mqujaa$gfe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >> >>>>>> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. >>>>> >>>>> Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was >>>> >from the within? >>>> >>>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. >>> >>> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same >>> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The >>> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. >> >> As I said, I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever >> existed. That still holds true. > >I'm afraid no one can force you to see what you don't want to see. But history shows that isn't from a lack of trying. For most of history I would have long since been executed for heresy. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-19 20:41 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mr202n$ikl$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1963950 |
On 2015-08-19 04:35 PM, Attila < wrote: > On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:26:37 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mr0hqp$2h7$2@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-18 03:26 PM, Attila < wrote: >>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:33:08 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mqujaa$gfe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was >>>>> >from the within? >>>>> >>>>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. >>>> >>>> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same >>>> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The >>>> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. >>> >>> As I said, I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever >>> existed. That still holds true. >> >> I'm afraid no one can force you to see what you don't want to see. > > But history shows that isn't from a lack of trying. For most of > history I would have long since been executed for heresy. Irrelevant. Are you suggesting you are playing some kind of hero in here by being wilfully blind?
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-20 04:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vi5btal4pmc4pcmcbn5en5rqrco730i6lr@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1964071 |
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:41:05 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mr202n$ikl$4@dont-email.me> wrote: >On 2015-08-19 04:35 PM, Attila < wrote: >> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:26:37 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >> alt.atheism with message-id <mr0hqp$2h7$2@dont-email.me> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-08-18 03:26 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:33:08 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mqujaa$gfe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was >>>>>> >from the within? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. >>>>> >>>>> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same >>>>> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The >>>>> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. >>>> >>>> As I said, I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever >>>> existed. That still holds true. >>> >>> I'm afraid no one can force you to see what you don't want to see. >> >> But history shows that isn't from a lack of trying. For most of >> history I would have long since been executed for heresy. > >Irrelevant. Are you suggesting you are playing some kind of hero in here >by being wilfully blind? > > Not at all. It would be a bit difficult to do anything to me since I am not here physically. I am far from blind. I simply have not been brainwashed to accept that which has no supporting evidence. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-20 22:44 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mr4p1l$2oe$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1964712 |
On 2015-08-20 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: > On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:41:05 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mr202n$ikl$4@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-19 04:35 PM, Attila < wrote: >>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:26:37 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr0hqp$2h7$2@dont-email.me> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-18 03:26 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:33:08 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mqujaa$gfe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>>> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was >>>>>>> >from the within? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same >>>>>> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The >>>>>> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. >>>>> >>>>> As I said, I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever >>>>> existed. That still holds true. >>>> >>>> I'm afraid no one can force you to see what you don't want to see. >>> >>> But history shows that isn't from a lack of trying. For most of >>> history I would have long since been executed for heresy. >> >> Irrelevant. Are you suggesting you are playing some kind of hero in here >> by being wilfully blind? >> >> > > Not at all. It would be a bit difficult to do anything to me since I > am not here physically. > > I am far from blind. I simply have not been brainwashed to accept > that which has no supporting evidence. > And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on your part.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-21 05:01 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <m5qdtatq3aj72102pnfn39g7lhv6oj4gte@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1964872 |
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:44:13 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mr4p1l$2oe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >On 2015-08-20 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:41:05 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >> alt.atheism with message-id <mr202n$ikl$4@dont-email.me> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-08-19 04:35 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:26:37 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr0hqp$2h7$2@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2015-08-18 03:26 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:33:08 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mqujaa$gfe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was >>>>>>>> >from the within? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same >>>>>>> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The >>>>>>> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. >>>>>> >>>>>> As I said, I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever >>>>>> existed. That still holds true. >>>>> >>>>> I'm afraid no one can force you to see what you don't want to see. >>>> >>>> But history shows that isn't from a lack of trying. For most of >>>> history I would have long since been executed for heresy. >>> >>> Irrelevant. Are you suggesting you are playing some kind of hero in here >>> by being wilfully blind? >>> >>> >> >> Not at all. It would be a bit difficult to do anything to me since I >> am not here physically. >> >> I am far from blind. I simply have not been brainwashed to accept >> that which has no supporting evidence. >> > >And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >your part. You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to do with either accuracy or reality. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-22 08:10 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mr8ejs$c9e$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1965603 |
On 2015-08-21 05:01 PM, Attila < wrote: > On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:44:13 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mr4p1l$2oe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-20 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:41:05 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr202n$ikl$4@dont-email.me> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-19 04:35 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:26:37 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr0hqp$2h7$2@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2015-08-18 03:26 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:33:08 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mqujaa$gfe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was >>>>>>>>> >from the within? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same >>>>>>>> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The >>>>>>>> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As I said, I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever >>>>>>> existed. That still holds true. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm afraid no one can force you to see what you don't want to see. >>>>> >>>>> But history shows that isn't from a lack of trying. For most of >>>>> history I would have long since been executed for heresy. >>>> >>>> Irrelevant. Are you suggesting you are playing some kind of hero in here >>>> by being wilfully blind? >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Not at all. It would be a bit difficult to do anything to me since I >>> am not here physically. >>> >>> I am far from blind. I simply have not been brainwashed to accept >>> that which has no supporting evidence. >>> >> >> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >> your part. > > You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to > do with either accuracy or reality. In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining the truth and reality. You can not imagine the possibility that what you see, hear, touch, smell, and taste could all be an elaborate scheme to make you believe the physical world is real. You look just like a character in <The Matrix>.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2015-08-22 03:42 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mr9gta10ethbrsceh3gepudhpncht4rr6l@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1966139 |
On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 08:10:43 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <mr8ejs$c9e$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >On 2015-08-21 05:01 PM, Attila < wrote: >> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:44:13 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >> alt.atheism with message-id <mr4p1l$2oe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >> >>> On 2015-08-20 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:41:05 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr202n$ikl$4@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 2015-08-19 04:35 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:26:37 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr0hqp$2h7$2@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2015-08-18 03:26 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:33:08 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mqujaa$gfe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was >>>>>>>>>> >from the within? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same >>>>>>>>> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The >>>>>>>>> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As I said, I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever >>>>>>>> existed. That still holds true. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm afraid no one can force you to see what you don't want to see. >>>>>> >>>>>> But history shows that isn't from a lack of trying. For most of >>>>>> history I would have long since been executed for heresy. >>>>> >>>>> Irrelevant. Are you suggesting you are playing some kind of hero in here >>>>> by being wilfully blind? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Not at all. It would be a bit difficult to do anything to me since I >>>> am not here physically. >>>> >>>> I am far from blind. I simply have not been brainwashed to accept >>>> that which has no supporting evidence. >>>> >>> >>> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >>> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >>> your part. >> >> You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to >> do with either accuracy or reality. > >In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the >empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining >the truth and reality. No brainwashing is necessary. no other tool are available. > You can not imagine the possibility that what you >see, hear, touch, smell, and taste could all be an elaborate scheme to >make you believe the physical world is real. You look just like a >character in <The Matrix>. A movie based on fiction. Is that the best you can do? -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-22 16:26 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mr9bm0$nlp$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1966374 |
On 2015-08-22 03:42 PM, Attila < wrote: > On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 08:10:43 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > alt.atheism with message-id <mr8ejs$c9e$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > >> On 2015-08-21 05:01 PM, Attila < wrote: >>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:44:13 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr4p1l$2oe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-20 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:41:05 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr202n$ikl$4@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2015-08-19 04:35 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:26:37 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr0hqp$2h7$2@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2015-08-18 03:26 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:33:08 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mqujaa$gfe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was >>>>>>>>>>> >from the within? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same >>>>>>>>>> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The >>>>>>>>>> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As I said, I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever >>>>>>>>> existed. That still holds true. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm afraid no one can force you to see what you don't want to see. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But history shows that isn't from a lack of trying. For most of >>>>>>> history I would have long since been executed for heresy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Irrelevant. Are you suggesting you are playing some kind of hero in here >>>>>> by being wilfully blind? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Not at all. It would be a bit difficult to do anything to me since I >>>>> am not here physically. >>>>> >>>>> I am far from blind. I simply have not been brainwashed to accept >>>>> that which has no supporting evidence. >>>>> >>>> >>>> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >>>> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >>>> your part. >>> >>> You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to >>> do with either accuracy or reality. >> >> In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the >> empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining >> the truth and reality. > > No brainwashing is necessary. no other tool are available. Science itself is based on a set of beliefs. For you to believe what science believes, how can it not be indoctrination or brainwashing? > >> You can not imagine the possibility that what you >> see, hear, touch, smell, and taste could all be an elaborate scheme to >> make you believe the physical world is real. You look just like a >> character in <The Matrix>. > > A movie based on fiction. Is that the best you can do? > That's just an example to show what exactly you have become by believing in science.
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| From | nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-22 09:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <3ac6b38a-f417-4ea6-b378-5dd9c8bf6d6d@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #1966387 |
On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 1:27:23 AM UTC-7, niunian wrote: > On 2015-08-22 03:42 PM, Attila < wrote: > > On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 08:10:43 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > > alt.atheism with message-id <mr8ejs$c9e$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > > > >> On 2015-08-21 05:01 PM, Attila < wrote: > >>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:44:13 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr4p1l$2oe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 2015-08-20 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: > >>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:41:05 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr202n$ikl$4@dont-email.me> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 2015-08-19 04:35 PM, Attila < wrote: > >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:26:37 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > >>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr0hqp$2h7$2@dont-email.me> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 2015-08-18 03:26 PM, Attila < wrote: > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:33:08 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in > >>>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mqujaa$gfe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was > >>>>>>>>>>> >from the within? > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same > >>>>>>>>>> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The > >>>>>>>>>> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> As I said, I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever > >>>>>>>>> existed. That still holds true. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I'm afraid no one can force you to see what you don't want to see. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> But history shows that isn't from a lack of trying. For most of > >>>>>>> history I would have long since been executed for heresy. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Irrelevant. Are you suggesting you are playing some kind of hero in here > >>>>>> by being wilfully blind? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Not at all. It would be a bit difficult to do anything to me since I > >>>>> am not here physically. > >>>>> > >>>>> I am far from blind. I simply have not been brainwashed to accept > >>>>> that which has no supporting evidence. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple > >>>> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on > >>>> your part. > >>> > >>> You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to > >>> do with either accuracy or reality. > >> > >> In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the > >> empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining > >> the truth and reality. > > > > No brainwashing is necessary. no other tool are available. > > Science itself is based on a set of beliefs. For you to believe what > science believes, how can it not be indoctrination or brainwashing? > > > > >> You can not imagine the possibility that what you > >> see, hear, touch, smell, and taste could all be an elaborate scheme to > >> make you believe the physical world is real. You look just like a > >> character in <The Matrix>. > > > > A movie based on fiction. Is that the best you can do? > > > .> That's just an example to show what exactly you have become by believing .> in science. A minute after you typed that sentence, it could potentially be read by billions of people, thousands of miles away. A phenomenon that would have been impossible even when I was a young aged chemist. How do you think that came to be? Seth
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| From | niunian <niunian@ymail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-08-23 17:45 +0800 |
| Message-ID | <mrc4kd$p0h$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1966641 |
On 2015-08-23 12:21 AM, nature bats last wrote: > On Saturday, August 22, 2015 at 1:27:23 AM UTC-7, niunian wrote: >> On 2015-08-22 03:42 PM, Attila < wrote: >>> On Sat, 22 Aug 2015 08:10:43 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr8ejs$c9e$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-08-21 05:01 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:44:13 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr4p1l$2oe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2015-08-20 04:58 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 20:41:05 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr202n$ikl$4@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2015-08-19 04:35 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:26:37 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mr0hqp$2h7$2@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2015-08-18 03:26 PM, Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 13:33:08 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in >>>>>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mqujaa$gfe$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like ambiguous poppycock to me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why? Is it because no one ever told you that the spiritual world was >>>>>>>>>>>>> >from the within? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever existed. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid your physical eyes can not see the spiritual world the same >>>>>>>>>>>> way your physical science can not prove or disprove philosophy. The >>>>>>>>>>>> spiritual existence is beyond the ability of your physical eyes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As I said, I have yet to see any evidence any 'spiritual world' ever >>>>>>>>>>> existed. That still holds true. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm afraid no one can force you to see what you don't want to see. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But history shows that isn't from a lack of trying. For most of >>>>>>>>> history I would have long since been executed for heresy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Irrelevant. Are you suggesting you are playing some kind of hero in here >>>>>>>> by being wilfully blind? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not at all. It would be a bit difficult to do anything to me since I >>>>>>> am not here physically. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am far from blind. I simply have not been brainwashed to accept >>>>>>> that which has no supporting evidence. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> And yet, you don't appear to be able to understand my rather simple >>>>>> philosophical point of view. To me, that counts as wilful blindness on >>>>>> your part. >>>>> >>>>> You are free to count anything whatever you like. That has nothing to >>>>> do with either accuracy or reality. >>>> >>>> In other words, you have been brainwashed and indoctrinated by the >>>> empirical science to rely on your physical senses alone in determining >>>> the truth and reality. >>> >>> No brainwashing is necessary. no other tool are available. >> >> Science itself is based on a set of beliefs. For you to believe what >> science believes, how can it not be indoctrination or brainwashing? >> >>> >>>> You can not imagine the possibility that what you >>>> see, hear, touch, smell, and taste could all be an elaborate scheme to >>>> make you believe the physical world is real. You look just like a >>>> character in <The Matrix>. >>> >>> A movie based on fiction. Is that the best you can do? >>> >> > > > .> That's just an example to show what exactly you have become by believing > .> in science. > > A minute after you typed that sentence, it could > potentially be read by billions of people, thousands > of miles away. > > A phenomenon that would have been impossible > even when I was a young aged chemist. > > How do you think that came to be? Science and technology are wonderful tools to make life on earth more convenient, but they are just tools to deal with the environment meaning the physical world. What really matters to life is what comes from the within. The reason money can't buy happiness is because happiness does not come from the money. It comes from the within.
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