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  CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS  duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 11:11 -0500
    Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Davej <galt_57@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-02 09:15 -0700
      Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-02 12:21 -0500
      Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 16:34 -0500
        Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 18:16 -0700
          Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-03 16:56 -0500
            Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 16:24 -0700
              Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 14:33 -0500
    YOU CANNOT BE A REPUBLICAN AND A CHRISTIAN Paul <papa_fox@cybertown.com> - 2015-08-02 11:11 -0700
      Re: YOU CANNOT BE A REPUBLICAN AND A CHRISTIAN bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-02 16:09 -0500
    Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2015-08-04 03:15 -0700
      Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-04 03:42 -0700
        Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Paul <papa_fox@cybertown.com> - 2015-08-04 08:54 -0700
        Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-05 13:28 +0200
      Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:49 -0700
        Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2015-08-06 03:59 -0700
          Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-06 14:06 +0200
            Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2015-08-06 07:01 -0700
              Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-06 11:04 -0500
              Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-06 18:52 +0200
                Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-06 17:59 -0700
                  Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-07 10:37 +0200
    Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS default <default@defaulter.net> - 2015-08-04 09:03 -0400
    Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 07:03 -0700
      Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-05 18:56 +0200
      Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:40 -0700
        Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 20:57 -0700
      Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 14:36 -0500
        Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 21:00 -0700
          Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 17:19 -0500
            Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS "Syd M." <pauldavidwright@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-07 15:27 -0700
        Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 08:52 -0700
          Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:10 -0700
            Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-07 10:36 +0200
          Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 17:21 -0500
            Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS David Harmon <source@netcom.com> - 2015-08-10 17:02 -0700
              Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 13:31 -0500
    Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS The Chief Castrator Of The Jews <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> - 2015-08-05 10:21 -0700
      Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS WeHang FagZ <macabbeus@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:42 -0700
      Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 14:39 -0500
        Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Woza Africa <kolwezzi@astromail.com> - 2015-08-05 12:57 -0700
          Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 17:23 -0500
        Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 21:03 -0700
          Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 17:25 -0500
        Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:05 -0700
          Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 17:26 -0500
            Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS "Syd M." <pauldavidwright@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-07 15:29 -0700
            Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 16:17 -0700
              Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:46 -0500
                Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS "Syd M." <pauldavidwright@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-08 13:24 -0700
                Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 15:36 -0700
                  Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 10:09 -0500
                    Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 12:06 -0700
                      Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 13:08 -0500
                        Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 12:44 -0700
                          Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-15 12:15 -0500
                            Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 15:34 -0700

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#1954414

In article <d2hhlhFn06lU1@mid.individual.net>,
 "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 06/08/2015 16:01, Malcolm McMahon wrote:
> > On Thursday, 6 August 2015 13:06:58 UTC+1, Alex W.  wrote:
> >> On 06/08/2015 12:59, Malcolm McMahon wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, 5 August 2015 18:49:42 UTC+1, Kurt Kurt  wrote:
> >>>> What saner versions of Islam is that?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> There are as many versions of Islam as there are Muslims, even more so 
> >>> that with Christianity because there's no official authority for Islam. 
> >>> No Magesterium.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Plus a long-standing tradition of personal religious authority:
> >> individual mullahs interpreting the Q'ran and Haddith, and accumulating
> >> adherents depending on how persuasive they are.
> >>
> >> Also an equally long tradition which separates Muslims by country even
> >> when they are of the same denomination.  Turkish sunnis worship
> >> differently and have different practices from Iraqi sunnis or American
> >> sunnis.
> >
> > Exactly. Which it's also why when people say that ISIS are "not true 
> > Muslims" they show how little they are aware of this diversity. There is no 
> > "true Islam".
> >
> > "True Islam" just means the version the speaker believes in.
> >
> 
> The amusing part is that in the West, people will generally be aware of 
> such divisions within Christianity (and to some extent in Judaism -- 
> Hasidim are pretty hard to overlook) and will make accommodation for 
> such complexity, at least in principle.  But the same people will 
> happily treat Islam as some monolithic uniform faith, the same from 
> Turkey to Indonesia to the US.  They will laugh at the suggestion that 
> Baptists are the same as Episcopalians but when it is pointed out that 
> Wahhabis are massively distinct from Sufis they shrug.
> 
> This peculiar blind spot even extends to our elected critters in 
> government, which helps explain why we keep landing up to our next in 
> every unholy mess bubbling up in the Middle East....


It certainly explains why the Bush Administration thought Iranis spoke 
Arabic.

-- 

JD

Išve officially given up trying to find the bottom 
of the barrel that is Republican depravity.--Jidyom 
Rosario, Addicting Info

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#1954707

On 07/08/2015 02:59, Jeanne Douglas wrote:
> In article <d2hhlhFn06lU1@mid.individual.net>,
>   "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 06/08/2015 16:01, Malcolm McMahon wrote:
>>> On Thursday, 6 August 2015 13:06:58 UTC+1, Alex W.  wrote:
>>>> On 06/08/2015 12:59, Malcolm McMahon wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, 5 August 2015 18:49:42 UTC+1, Kurt Kurt  wrote:
>>>>>> What saner versions of Islam is that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are as many versions of Islam as there are Muslims, even more so
>>>>> that with Christianity because there's no official authority for Islam.
>>>>> No Magesterium.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Plus a long-standing tradition of personal religious authority:
>>>> individual mullahs interpreting the Q'ran and Haddith, and accumulating
>>>> adherents depending on how persuasive they are.
>>>>
>>>> Also an equally long tradition which separates Muslims by country even
>>>> when they are of the same denomination.  Turkish sunnis worship
>>>> differently and have different practices from Iraqi sunnis or American
>>>> sunnis.
>>>
>>> Exactly. Which it's also why when people say that ISIS are "not true
>>> Muslims" they show how little they are aware of this diversity. There is no
>>> "true Islam".
>>>
>>> "True Islam" just means the version the speaker believes in.
>>>
>>
>> The amusing part is that in the West, people will generally be aware of
>> such divisions within Christianity (and to some extent in Judaism --
>> Hasidim are pretty hard to overlook) and will make accommodation for
>> such complexity, at least in principle.  But the same people will
>> happily treat Islam as some monolithic uniform faith, the same from
>> Turkey to Indonesia to the US.  They will laugh at the suggestion that
>> Baptists are the same as Episcopalians but when it is pointed out that
>> Wahhabis are massively distinct from Sufis they shrug.
>>
>> This peculiar blind spot even extends to our elected critters in
>> government, which helps explain why we keep landing up to our next in
>> every unholy mess bubbling up in the Middle East....
>
>
> It certainly explains why the Bush Administration thought Iranis spoke
> Arabic.
>

Someone may have told them that Iranians are the original Aryans, and 
they went "Aryans?  Nah, can't be -- they're all blond and blue-eyed"...

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#1952891

In article <f8gsra9me40ohch0s0m3b0q6alblpld8fe@4ax.com>, duckgumbo32
@cox.net says...
> O
> 

Can Dookie be a good American.  No.  Dookie is incapable of being good 
at anythingus.news.astraweb.com

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#1953376

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 12:11:45 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS 
> 
> This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish.  And
> send it on to everyone.  Maybe this is why our  Muslims are so quiet and not
> speaking out about any atrocities.  
> 
> Can a good Muslim be a good American or a good Canadian ? 
>    
> This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
> The following is his reply: 
>    
> Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.
> Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except
> Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)   
>     
> Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and
> the Quran.
>   
> Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in
> prayer five times a day. 
>    
> Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with
> Christians or Jews. 
>    
> Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who
> teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan. 
>    
> Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and
> scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 ) 
>    
> Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it
> is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. 
>    
> Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
> freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every
> Muslim government is either dictatorial or  autocratic.   
>     
> Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The
> Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly
> father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.   
>     
> Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very
> suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good'
> Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You
> had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for
> our country and our future. 
>        
> The religious war is bigger than we know or understand! 
>    
>   Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.  SO FREEDOM
> IS NOT FREE.     
> THE UNITED STATES MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S. 
> 
> the dukester, American-American
> 
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI
> *****

Dukie -- I suggest you read a little about Protestant attitudes toward Roman Catholicism. This crap you posted is a just a repeat of that nonsense. 

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#1953456

On 05/08/2015 16:03, Wexford Eire wrote:

>
> Dukie -- I suggest you read a little about Protestant attitudes toward Roman Catholicism. This crap you posted is a just a repeat of that nonsense.
>

Duke, read?

Nominated for humorous post of the day!

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#1953480

On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 7:03:40 AM UTC-7, Wexford Eire wrote:
> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 12:11:45 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> > CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS 
> > 
> > This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish.  And
> > send it on to everyone.  Maybe this is why our  Muslims are so quiet and not
> > speaking out about any atrocities.  
> > 
> > Can a good Muslim be a good American or a good Canadian ? 
> >    
> > This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
> > The following is his reply: 
> >    
> > Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.
> > Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except
> > Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)   
> >     
> > Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and
> > the Quran.
> >   
> > Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in
> > prayer five times a day. 
> >    
> > Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with
> > Christians or Jews. 
> >    
> > Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who
> > teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan. 
> >    
> > Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and
> > scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 ) 
> >    
> > Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it
> > is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. 
> >    
> > Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
> > freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every
> > Muslim government is either dictatorial or  autocratic.   
> >     
> > Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The
> > Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly
> > father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.   
> >     
> > Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very
> > suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good'
> > Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You
> > had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for
> > our country and our future. 
> >        
> > The religious war is bigger than we know or understand! 
> >    
> >   Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.  SO FREEDOM
> > IS NOT FREE.     
> > THE UNITED STATES MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S. 
> > 
> > the dukester, American-American
> > 
> > *****
> > "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> > Pope Paul VI
> > *****
> 


.> Dukie -- I suggest you read a little about Protestant attitudes toward Roman Catholicism. This crap you posted is a just a repeat of that nonsense.


Yep -- substitute "Catholic" for "Muslim" and "Irish" for "Arab"
and you get people exactly like Duke, 150 years ago.


 -- http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/tserve/nineteen/nkeyinfo/nromcath.htm


Duke is tribal; he sees things as Us and Them.

So much for "Love your neighbor".




Seth

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#1953863

On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 1:40:13 PM UTC-4, nature bats last wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 7:03:40 AM UTC-7, Wexford Eire wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 12:11:45 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> > > CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS 
> > > 
> > > This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish.  And
> > > send it on to everyone.  Maybe this is why our  Muslims are so quiet and not
> > > speaking out about any atrocities.  
> > > 
> > > Can a good Muslim be a good American or a good Canadian ? 
> > >    
> > > This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
> > > The following is his reply: 
> > >    
> > > Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.
> > > Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except
> > > Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)   
> > >     
> > > Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and
> > > the Quran.
> > >   
> > > Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in
> > > prayer five times a day. 
> > >    
> > > Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with
> > > Christians or Jews. 
> > >    
> > > Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who
> > > teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan. 
> > >    
> > > Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and
> > > scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 ) 
> > >    
> > > Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it
> > > is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. 
> > >    
> > > Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
> > > freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every
> > > Muslim government is either dictatorial or  autocratic.   
> > >     
> > > Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The
> > > Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly
> > > father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.   
> > >     
> > > Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very
> > > suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good'
> > > Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You
> > > had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for
> > > our country and our future. 
> > >        
> > > The religious war is bigger than we know or understand! 
> > >    
> > >   Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.  SO FREEDOM
> > > IS NOT FREE.     
> > > THE UNITED STATES MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S. 
> > > 
> > > the dukester, American-American
> > > 
> > > *****
> > > "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> > > Pope Paul VI
> > > *****
> > 
> 
> 
> .> Dukie -- I suggest you read a little about Protestant attitudes toward Roman Catholicism. This crap you posted is a just a repeat of that nonsense.
> 
> 
> Yep -- substitute "Catholic" for "Muslim" and "Irish" for "Arab"
> and you get people exactly like Duke, 150 years ago.
> 
> 
>  -- http://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/tserve/nineteen/nkeyinfo/nromcath.htm
> 
> 
> Duke is tribal; he sees things as Us and Them.
> 
> So much for "Love your neighbor".
> 
You don't have to go back that far, Norman Vincent Peale went on a tirade against Kennedy claiming he served a foreign prince (the pope) and was bound to obey him despite American law or interests. A decade or more later, Peale apologized and said he was wrong, but I never trusted the apology. So, this crap was still being said about Catholics as late as the 1960s.

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#1953582

On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 07:03:37 -0700 (PDT), Wexford Eire
<wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 12:11:45 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>> CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS 
>> 
>> This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish.  And
>> send it on to everyone.  Maybe this is why our  Muslims are so quiet and not
>> speaking out about any atrocities.  
>> 
>> Can a good Muslim be a good American or a good Canadian ? 
>>    
>> This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
>> The following is his reply: 
>>    
>> Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.
>> Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except
>> Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)   
>>     
>> Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and
>> the Quran.
>>   
>> Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in
>> prayer five times a day. 
>>    
>> Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with
>> Christians or Jews. 
>>    
>> Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who
>> teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan. 
>>    
>> Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and
>> scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 ) 
>>    
>> Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it
>> is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. 
>>    
>> Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
>> freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every
>> Muslim government is either dictatorial or  autocratic.   
>>     
>> Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The
>> Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly
>> father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.   
>>     
>> Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very
>> suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good'
>> Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You
>> had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for
>> our country and our future. 
>>        
>> The religious war is bigger than we know or understand! 
>>    
>>   Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.  SO FREEDOM
>> IS NOT FREE.     
>> THE UNITED STATES MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S. 
>> 
>> the dukester, American-American
>> 
>> *****
>> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>> Pope Paul VI
>> *****
>
>Dukie -- I suggest you read a little about Protestant attitudes toward Roman Catholicism. This crap you posted is a just a repeat of that nonsense. 

Well, wex.  The issue is muslim belief and why they will never pledge allegiance
to the USofA over the koran.

As far as protest_ants are concerned, they follow lutianity rather than
Christianity.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#1953866

On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 3:36:48 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 07:03:37 -0700 (PDT), Wexford Eire
> <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 12:11:45 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> >> CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS 
> >> 
> >> This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish.  And
> >> send it on to everyone.  Maybe this is why our  Muslims are so quiet and not
> >> speaking out about any atrocities.  
> >> 
> >> Can a good Muslim be a good American or a good Canadian ? 
> >>    
> >> This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
> >> The following is his reply: 
> >>    
> >> Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.
> >> Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except
> >> Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)   
> >>     
> >> Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and
> >> the Quran.
> >>   
> >> Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in
> >> prayer five times a day. 
> >>    
> >> Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with
> >> Christians or Jews. 
> >>    
> >> Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who
> >> teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan. 
> >>    
> >> Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and
> >> scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 ) 
> >>    
> >> Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it
> >> is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. 
> >>    
> >> Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
> >> freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every
> >> Muslim government is either dictatorial or  autocratic.   
> >>     
> >> Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The
> >> Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly
> >> father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.   
> >>     
> >> Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very
> >> suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good'
> >> Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You
> >> had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for
> >> our country and our future. 
> >>        
> >> The religious war is bigger than we know or understand! 
> >>    
> >>   Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.  SO FREEDOM
> >> IS NOT FREE.     
> >> THE UNITED STATES MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S. 
> >> 
> >> the dukester, American-American
> >> 
> >> *****
> >> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> >> Pope Paul VI
> >> *****
> >
> >Dukie -- I suggest you read a little about Protestant attitudes toward Roman Catholicism. This crap you posted is a just a repeat of that nonsense. 
> 
> Well, wex.  The issue is muslim belief and why they will never pledge allegiance
> to the USofA over the koran.
> 
> As far as protest_ants are concerned, they follow lutianity rather than
> Christianity.
> 
You ignorant ass, don't you know that Norman Vincent Peale traveled across the country warning people that John Kennedy would brig the country to ruin because he served a foreign prince and was under a sacred obligation  to follow the orders of the pope, even if they defied American law, the constitution or American interests? This is exactly what you, in your deathless ignorance, are now peddling about Moslems.

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#1955186

On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 21:00:40 -0700 (PDT), Wexford Eire
<wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 3:36:48 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 07:03:37 -0700 (PDT), Wexford Eire
>> <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 12:11:45 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>> >> CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS 
>> >> 
>> >> This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish.  And
>> >> send it on to everyone.  Maybe this is why our  Muslims are so quiet and not
>> >> speaking out about any atrocities.  
>> >> 
>> >> Can a good Muslim be a good American or a good Canadian ? 
>> >>    
>> >> This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
>> >> The following is his reply: 
>> >>    
>> >> Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.
>> >> Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except
>> >> Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)   
>> >>     
>> >> Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and
>> >> the Quran.
>> >>   
>> >> Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in
>> >> prayer five times a day. 
>> >>    
>> >> Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with
>> >> Christians or Jews. 
>> >>    
>> >> Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who
>> >> teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan. 
>> >>    
>> >> Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and
>> >> scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 ) 
>> >>    
>> >> Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it
>> >> is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. 
>> >>    
>> >> Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
>> >> freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every
>> >> Muslim government is either dictatorial or  autocratic.   
>> >>     
>> >> Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The
>> >> Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly
>> >> father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.   
>> >>     
>> >> Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very
>> >> suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good'
>> >> Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You
>> >> had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for
>> >> our country and our future. 
>> >>        
>> >> The religious war is bigger than we know or understand! 
>> >>    
>> >>   Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.  SO FREEDOM
>> >> IS NOT FREE.     
>> >> THE UNITED STATES MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S. 
>> >> 
>> >> the dukester, American-American
>> >> 
>> >> *****
>> >> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>> >> Pope Paul VI
>> >> *****
>> >
>> >Dukie -- I suggest you read a little about Protestant attitudes toward Roman Catholicism. This crap you posted is a just a repeat of that nonsense. 
>> 
>> Well, wex.  The issue is muslim belief and why they will never pledge allegiance
>> to the USofA over the koran.
>> 
>> As far as protest_ants are concerned, they follow lutianity rather than
>> Christianity.

>You ignorant ass, don't you know that Norman Vincent Peale traveled across the country warning people that John Kennedy
>would brig the country to ruin because he served a foreign prince and was under a sacred obligation  to follow the orders of
> the pope

Did JFK do that?  NO!!!

>even if they defied American law, the constitution or American interests? This is exactly what you, in your deathless ignorance, are now peddling about Moslems.

Our muslim president is doing just that.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#1955193

On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 6:19:05 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 21:00:40 -0700 (PDT), Wexford Eire
> <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 3:36:48 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> >> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 07:03:37 -0700 (PDT), Wexford Eire
> >> <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> >On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 12:11:45 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> >> >> CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS 
> >> >> 
> >> >> This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish.  And
> >> >> send it on to everyone.  Maybe this is why our  Muslims are so quiet and not
> >> >> speaking out about any atrocities.  
> >> >> 
> >> >> Can a good Muslim be a good American or a good Canadian ? 
> >> >>    
> >> >> This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
> >> >> The following is his reply: 
> >> >>    
> >> >> Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.
> >> >> Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except
> >> >> Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)   
> >> >>     
> >> >> Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and
> >> >> the Quran.
> >> >>   
> >> >> Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in
> >> >> prayer five times a day. 
> >> >>    
> >> >> Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with
> >> >> Christians or Jews. 
> >> >>    
> >> >> Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who
> >> >> teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan. 
> >> >>    
> >> >> Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and
> >> >> scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 ) 
> >> >>    
> >> >> Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it
> >> >> is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. 
> >> >>    
> >> >> Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
> >> >> freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every
> >> >> Muslim government is either dictatorial or  autocratic.   
> >> >>     
> >> >> Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The
> >> >> Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly
> >> >> father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.   
> >> >>     
> >> >> Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very
> >> >> suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good'
> >> >> Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You
> >> >> had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for
> >> >> our country and our future. 
> >> >>        
> >> >> The religious war is bigger than we know or understand! 
> >> >>    
> >> >>   Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.  SO FREEDOM
> >> >> IS NOT FREE.     
> >> >> THE UNITED STATES MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> the dukester, American-American
> >> >> 
> >> >> *****
> >> >> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> >> >> Pope Paul VI
> >> >> *****
> >> >
> >> >Dukie -- I suggest you read a little about Protestant attitudes toward Roman Catholicism. This crap you posted is a just a repeat of that nonsense. 
> >> 
> >> Well, wex.  The issue is muslim belief and why they will never pledge allegiance
> >> to the USofA over the koran.
> >> 
> >> As far as protest_ants are concerned, they follow lutianity rather than
> >> Christianity.
> 
> >You ignorant ass, don't you know that Norman Vincent Peale traveled across the country warning people that John Kennedy
> >would brig the country to ruin because he served a foreign prince and was under a sacred obligation  to follow the orders of
> > the pope
> 
> Did JFK do that?  NO!!!
> 
> >even if they defied American law, the constitution or American interests? This is exactly what you, in your deathless ignorance, are now peddling about Moslems.
> 
> Our muslim president is doing just that.
> 

Nope. Still wrong, bigoted Dork.

PDW

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#1954111

On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 3:36:48 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 07:03:37 -0700 (PDT), Wexford Eire
> <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 12:11:45 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> >> CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS 
> >> 
> >> This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish.  And
> >> send it on to everyone.  Maybe this is why our  Muslims are so quiet and not
> >> speaking out about any atrocities.  
> >> 
> >> Can a good Muslim be a good American or a good Canadian ? 
> >>    
> >> This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
> >> The following is his reply: 
> >>    
> >> Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.
> >> Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except
> >> Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)   
> >>     
> >> Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and
> >> the Quran.
> >>   
> >> Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in
> >> prayer five times a day. 
> >>    
> >> Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with
> >> Christians or Jews. 
> >>    
> >> Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who
> >> teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan. 
> >>    
> >> Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and
> >> scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 ) 
> >>    
> >> Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it
> >> is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. 
> >>    
> >> Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
> >> freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every
> >> Muslim government is either dictatorial or  autocratic.   
> >>     
> >> Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The
> >> Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly
> >> father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.   
> >>     
> >> Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very
> >> suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good'
> >> Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You
> >> had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for
> >> our country and our future. 
> >>        
> >> The religious war is bigger than we know or understand! 
> >>    
> >>   Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.  SO FREEDOM
> >> IS NOT FREE.     
> >> THE UNITED STATES MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S. 
> >> 
> >> the dukester, American-American
> >> 
> >> *****
> >> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> >> Pope Paul VI
> >> *****
> >
> >Dukie -- I suggest you read a little about Protestant attitudes toward Roman Catholicism. This crap you posted is a just a repeat of that nonsense. 
> 
> Well, wex.  The issue is muslim belief and why they will never pledge allegiance
> to the USofA over the koran.
> 
> As far as protest_ants are concerned, they follow lutianity rather than
> Christianity.
> 
Neither will some Christians. You don't know much, do you meathead. See "West Virginia Board of Education vs. Barnette." Supreme court of the United States.

Actually, no Christian should swear allegiance to any flag. It amounts to idolatry and is in direct disobedience of the first commandment. If you say the pledge, you're going to hell, Duke.

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#1954177

On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 8:52:30 AM UTC-7, Wexford Eire wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 3:36:48 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> > On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 07:03:37 -0700 (PDT), Wexford Eire
> > <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > >On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 12:11:45 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> > >> CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS 
> > >> 
> > >> This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish.  And
> > >> send it on to everyone.  Maybe this is why our  Muslims are so quiet and not
> > >> speaking out about any atrocities.  
> > >> 
> > >> Can a good Muslim be a good American or a good Canadian ? 
> > >>    
> > >> This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
> > >> The following is his reply: 
> > >>    
> > >> Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.
> > >> Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except
> > >> Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)   
> > >>     
> > >> Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and
> > >> the Quran.
> > >>   
> > >> Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in
> > >> prayer five times a day. 
> > >>    
> > >> Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with
> > >> Christians or Jews. 
> > >>    
> > >> Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who
> > >> teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan. 
> > >>    
> > >> Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and
> > >> scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 ) 
> > >>    
> > >> Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it
> > >> is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. 
> > >>    
> > >> Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
> > >> freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every
> > >> Muslim government is either dictatorial or  autocratic.   
> > >>     
> > >> Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The
> > >> Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly
> > >> father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.   
> > >>     
> > >> Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very
> > >> suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good'
> > >> Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You
> > >> had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for
> > >> our country and our future. 
> > >>        
> > >> The religious war is bigger than we know or understand! 
> > >>    
> > >>   Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.  SO FREEDOM
> > >> IS NOT FREE.     
> > >> THE UNITED STATES MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S. 
> > >> 
> > >> the dukester, American-American
> > >> 
> > >> *****
> > >> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> > >> Pope Paul VI
> > >> *****
> > >
> > >Dukie -- I suggest you read a little about Protestant attitudes toward Roman Catholicism. This crap you posted is a just a repeat of that nonsense. 
> > 
> > Well, wex.  The issue is muslim belief and why they will never pledge allegiance
> > to the USofA over the koran.
> > 
> > As far as protest_ants are concerned, they follow lutianity rather than
> > Christianity.
> > 
> Neither will some Christians. You don't know much, do you meathead. See "West Virginia Board of Education vs. Barnette." Supreme court of the United States.
> 


.> Actually, no Christian should swear allegiance to any flag. It amounts to idolatry and is in direct disobedience of the first commandment. If you say the pledge, you're going to hell, Duke.

And of course the Pledge also violates Jesus' stricture
against swearing an oath on anything, or for that matter
swearing any  oath at all.

I'm forever amused by the Pledge of Allegiance idolators
who fight tooth and nail to keep "under God" in the Pledge,
while ignoring what Jesus  specifically said about that.


Seth

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#1954705

On 06/08/2015 20:10, nature bats last wrote:
> On Thursday, August 6, 2015 at 8:52:30 AM UTC-7, Wexford Eire wrote:
>> On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 3:36:48 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 07:03:37 -0700 (PDT), Wexford Eire
>>> <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 12:11:45 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>>>>> CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS
>>>>>
>>>>> This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish.  And
>>>>> send it on to everyone.  Maybe this is why our  Muslims are so quiet and not
>>>>> speaking out about any atrocities.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can a good Muslim be a good American or a good Canadian ?
>>>>>
>>>>> This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
>>>>> The following is his reply:
>>>>>
>>>>> Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.
>>>>> Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except
>>>>> Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)
>>>>>
>>>>> Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and
>>>>> the Quran.
>>>>>
>>>>> Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in
>>>>> prayer five times a day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with
>>>>> Christians or Jews.
>>>>>
>>>>> Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who
>>>>> teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and
>>>>> scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 )
>>>>>
>>>>> Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it
>>>>> is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
>>>>>
>>>>> Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
>>>>> freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every
>>>>> Muslim government is either dictatorial or  autocratic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The
>>>>> Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly
>>>>> father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.
>>>>>
>>>>> Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very
>>>>> suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good'
>>>>> Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You
>>>>> had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for
>>>>> our country and our future.
>>>>>
>>>>> The religious war is bigger than we know or understand!
>>>>>
>>>>>    Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.  SO FREEDOM
>>>>> IS NOT FREE.
>>>>> THE UNITED STATES MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S.
>>>>>
>>>>> the dukester, American-American
>>>>>
>>>>> *****
>>>>> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>>>>> Pope Paul VI
>>>>> *****
>>>>
>>>> Dukie -- I suggest you read a little about Protestant attitudes toward Roman Catholicism. This crap you posted is a just a repeat of that nonsense.
>>>
>>> Well, wex.  The issue is muslim belief and why they will never pledge allegiance
>>> to the USofA over the koran.
>>>
>>> As far as protest_ants are concerned, they follow lutianity rather than
>>> Christianity.
>>>
>> Neither will some Christians. You don't know much, do you meathead. See "West Virginia Board of Education vs. Barnette." Supreme court of the United States.
>>
>
>
> .> Actually, no Christian should swear allegiance to any flag. It amounts to idolatry and is in direct disobedience of the first commandment. If you say the pledge, you're going to hell, Duke.
>
> And of course the Pledge also violates Jesus' stricture
> against swearing an oath on anything, or for that matter
> swearing any  oath at all.
>
> I'm forever amused by the Pledge of Allegiance idolators
> who fight tooth and nail to keep "under God" in the Pledge,
> while ignoring what Jesus  specifically said about that.
>

It's a doozie of an example of "selective reading and comprehension" 
that's such a hallmark of organised faith....

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#1955187

On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 08:52:24 -0700 (PDT), Wexford Eire
<wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 3:36:48 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>> On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 07:03:37 -0700 (PDT), Wexford Eire
>> <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 12:11:45 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>> >> CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS 
>> >> 
>> >> This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish.  And
>> >> send it on to everyone.  Maybe this is why our  Muslims are so quiet and not
>> >> speaking out about any atrocities.  
>> >> 
>> >> Can a good Muslim be a good American or a good Canadian ? 
>> >>    
>> >> This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
>> >> The following is his reply: 
>> >>    
>> >> Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.
>> >> Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except
>> >> Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)   
>> >>     
>> >> Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and
>> >> the Quran.
>> >>   
>> >> Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in
>> >> prayer five times a day. 
>> >>    
>> >> Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with
>> >> Christians or Jews. 
>> >>    
>> >> Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who
>> >> teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan. 
>> >>    
>> >> Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and
>> >> scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 ) 
>> >>    
>> >> Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it
>> >> is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. 
>> >>    
>> >> Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
>> >> freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every
>> >> Muslim government is either dictatorial or  autocratic.   
>> >>     
>> >> Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The
>> >> Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly
>> >> father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.   
>> >>     
>> >> Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very
>> >> suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good'
>> >> Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You
>> >> had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for
>> >> our country and our future. 
>> >>        
>> >> The religious war is bigger than we know or understand! 
>> >>    
>> >>   Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.  SO FREEDOM
>> >> IS NOT FREE.     
>> >> THE UNITED STATES MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S. 
>> >> 
>> >> the dukester, American-American
>> >> 
>> >> *****
>> >> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>> >> Pope Paul VI
>> >> *****
>> >
>> >Dukie -- I suggest you read a little about Protestant attitudes toward Roman Catholicism. This crap you posted is a just a repeat of that nonsense. 
>> 
>> Well, wex.  The issue is muslim belief and why they will never pledge allegiance
>> to the USofA over the koran.
>> 
>> As far as protest_ants are concerned, they follow lutianity rather than
>> Christianity.

>Neither will some Christians. You don't know much, do you meathead.

Do you know what lutianity professes?

>See "West Virginia Board of Education vs. Barnette." Supreme court of the United States.

Did they make it into a movie?

>Actually, no Christian should swear allegiance to any flag. It amounts to idolatry and is in direct disobedience of the first commandment. If you say the pledge, you're going to hell, Duke.

Jesus told us to follow our civil leaders.  We swear country allegiance to the
US of A and our spiritual allegiance to God

You didn't know they were different things, did you?

the dukester, American-American

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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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#1957428

On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 17:21:33 -0500 in alt.atheism, duke
<duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote,
>Do you know what lutianity professes?

There is no such word.
http://onelook.com/?w=lutianity

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#1957918

On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 17:02:45 -0700, David Harmon <source@netcom.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 07 Aug 2015 17:21:33 -0500 in alt.atheism, duke
><duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote,
>>Do you know what lutianity professes?
>
>There is no such word.
>http://onelook.com/?w=lutianity

Those that follow the faith of lut.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#1953472

On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 12:11:45 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
> CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS 
>

The Constitution damns Americans to eternal torment. It is a fast tract to hell. The Founding loonies of America slashed off the pact(The New Covenant) that connects mankind to God through the Laws as mediated by Jesus...
Muslims on the other hand pledge allegiance to God and to His kingdom to come and live theirs lives in submission to the Laws which is the maening of Islam.



 
> This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish.  And
> send it on to everyone.  Maybe this is why our  Muslims are so quiet and not
> speaking out about any atrocities.  
> 
> Can a good Muslim be a good American or a good Canadian ? 
>    
> This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
> The following is his reply: 
>    
> Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.
> Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except
> Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)   
>     
> Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and
> the Quran.
>   
> Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in
> prayer five times a day. 
>    
> Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with
> Christians or Jews. 
>    
> Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who
> teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan. 
>    
> Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and
> scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 ) 
>    
> Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it
> is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. 
>    
> Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
> freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every
> Muslim government is either dictatorial or  autocratic.   
>     
> Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The
> Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly
> father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.   
>     
> Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very
> suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good'
> Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You
> had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for
> our country and our future. 
>        
> The religious war is bigger than we know or understand! 
>    
>   Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.  SO FREEDOM
> IS NOT FREE.     
> THE UNITED STATES MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S. 
> 
> the dukester, American-American
> 
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI
> *****

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#1953517

On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 1:21:07 PM UTC-4, The Chief Castrator Of The Jews wrote:

> 
> The Constitution damns Americans to eternal torment. It is a fast tract to hell. The Founding loonies of America slashed off the pact(The New Covenant) that connects mankind to God through the Laws as mediated by Jesus...
> Muslims on the other hand pledge allegiance to God and to His kingdom to come and live theirs lives in submission to the Laws which is the maening of Islam.


Therefore any Muslism who pledges allegiance to the American devilish Constitution has disgraced Allah. -:)



> 
> 

> > "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> > Pope Paul VI
> > *****

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#1953583

On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 10:21:05 -0700 (PDT), The Chief Castrator Of The Jews
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, August 2, 2015 at 12:11:45 PM UTC-4, duke wrote:
>> CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS 
>>
>
>The Constitution damns Americans to eternal torment. It is a fast tract to hell. 

This boyz got a comprehension problem.

>The Founding loonies of America slashed off the pact(The New Covenant) that connects mankind to God through the Laws as mediated by Jesus...
>Muslims on the other hand pledge allegiance to God and to His kingdom to come and live theirs lives in submission to the Laws which is the maening of Islam.

Our country and laws are aligned with the 10 commandments of God.  
 
>> This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish.  And
>> send it on to everyone.  Maybe this is why our  Muslims are so quiet and not
>> speaking out about any atrocities.  
>> 
>> Can a good Muslim be a good American or a good Canadian ? 
>>    
>> This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
>> The following is his reply: 
>>    
>> Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia.
>> Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except
>> Islam. (Quran,2:256)(Koran)   
>>     
>> Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and
>> the Quran.
>>   
>> Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in
>> prayer five times a day. 
>>    
>> Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with
>> Christians or Jews. 
>>    
>> Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who
>> teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan. 
>>    
>> Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and
>> scourge his wife when she disobeys him. (Quran 4:34 ) 
>>    
>> Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it
>> is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. 
>>    
>> Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow
>> freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every
>> Muslim government is either dictatorial or  autocratic.   
>>     
>> Spiritually - no. Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The
>> Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly
>> father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.   
>>     
>> Therefore, after much study and deliberation... Perhaps we should be very
>> suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good'
>> Muslims and 'good' Americans. Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You
>> had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for
>> our country and our future. 
>>        
>> The religious war is bigger than we know or understand! 
>>    
>>   Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.  SO FREEDOM
>> IS NOT FREE.     
>> THE UNITED STATES MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S. 

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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