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Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-28 08:44 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-28 17:25 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-28 16:18 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-28 18:26 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Mitchell Holman <noemail@att.net> - 2015-06-28 20:59 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-29 07:02 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 08:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-29 08:40 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Mitchell Holman <noemail@att.net> - 2015-06-29 20:52 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-30 07:30 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-30 09:12 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Vincent Maycock <vam100@aol.com> - 2015-06-30 12:45 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-30 12:26 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-30 12:36 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Mitchell Holman <noemail@att.net> - 2015-06-30 15:06 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-30 15:22 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-30 18:13 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-30 20:18 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-07-01 06:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-01 08:53 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-01 11:35 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-01 19:49 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-01 15:45 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-02 20:30 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-03 16:20 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-03 22:28 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-04 08:45 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-04 20:12 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 10:56 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 11:44 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 14:17 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-30 23:30 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-01 11:35 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 10:45 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-01 11:34 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Vincent Maycock <vam100@aol.com> - 2015-07-01 19:45 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-07-01 19:08 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Vincent Maycock <vam100@aol.com> - 2015-07-01 21:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-07-02 11:57 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Henry Wilson DSc. <hw@....> - 2015-07-03 07:20 +1000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 06:40 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 13:21 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 13:52 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-07-02 12:30 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-02 12:40 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-07-02 12:47 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-02 13:35 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 14:29 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-07-02 14:28 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kit <kitwax@netzero.com> - 2015-07-02 12:32 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-07-02 14:46 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kit <kitwax@netzero.com> - 2015-07-02 13:16 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-07-02 16:39 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-02 21:09 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 00:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Kit <kitwax@netzero.com> - 2015-07-03 00:34 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-03 20:12 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-02 14:48 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 05:32 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-07-03 07:42 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-03 09:25 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-03 11:47 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-03 20:23 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-03 16:54 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-07-03 16:09 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-03 22:09 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-07-03 16:07 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-03 16:09 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-03 22:24 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-04 11:59 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-05 16:43 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-01 11:32 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Mitchell Holman <noemail@att.net> - 2015-06-30 15:02 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-30 15:25 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-30 23:33 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 11:05 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 11:43 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 14:20 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2015-06-30 17:33 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-30 23:29 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-06-30 15:53 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-30 23:36 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Vincent Maycock <vam100@aol.com> - 2015-06-30 12:37 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-06-29 07:04 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-29 08:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-06-29 08:41 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-29 17:10 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-29 17:12 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-29 17:46 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 05:19 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-30 03:59 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 07:29 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 15:46 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 09:09 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 11:57 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 14:21 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> - 2015-07-02 18:30 +0200
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 13:54 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-07-01 15:38 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-06-30 23:46 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-06-30 23:55 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2015-07-01 19:58 +0000
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-01 15:47 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-07-01 19:36 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-30 11:54 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-30 19:05 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> - 2015-07-01 06:58 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-07-01 08:55 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-01 19:11 -0700
Re: "Gordon" loves the false "freedom" of fiction, that's all. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-07-02 00:13 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-01 11:37 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-30 11:51 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 09:11 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-01 11:39 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-01 14:23 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-03 16:17 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-04 12:03 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-05 08:23 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-06 06:38 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. bilgat@m.nu - 2015-07-06 10:25 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-06 14:01 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 05:10 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-07 07:49 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2015-06-30 15:07 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-30 11:51 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-06-30 19:06 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-06-30 20:59 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-01 11:40 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-01 11:40 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-01 18:41 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-03 16:18 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-03 14:54 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-04 08:43 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. talishi <talishi@example.net> - 2015-07-04 09:26 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-07-05 08:24 -0500
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. "Syd M." <pauldavidwright@yahoo.com> - 2015-07-05 08:02 -0700
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Vincent Maycock <vam100@aol.com> - 2015-06-30 12:42 -0400
Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-06-29 17:10 -0500
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| From | "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> |
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| Date | 2015-06-30 15:53 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <cvflajFg36U1@mid.individual.net> |
| In reply to | #1933996 |
On 30/06/2015 03:52, Mitchell Holman wrote: > Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote in > news:6oc2patisq9hki0uk3kmb9able4uohdljs@4ax.com: > >> On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:01:48 +0200, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >>> On 29/06/2015 01:26, Gordon wrote: >>> >>>> God set the whole scenario up such that anyone who wants to can find >>>> enough information to make their own sovereign choice to either > accept >>>> or to reject the idea that God exists. No one is intimidated into >>>> believing. No one is preprogrammed as a puppet. We are all entirely >>>> free to make our own sovereign choice on this. >>>> >>> >>> "Believe in me and follow all of my commandments, or I will see to it >>> that you will burn in hellfire and suffer torment for all eternity!" >>> >>> That's not intimidation? >>> >> Did it intimidate you into believing in God? >> >> Go against God's will and trouble is likely on down the line. It's >> like trying to break one or some of God's natural laws. If one walks >> out into the very cold Arctic region without adequate clothing they >> will freeze to death. Is God punishing them for being disobedient? >> > > > > > > If one walks into a church and an earthquake kills > you while worshipping is God punishing you for being > obedient? No, he is punishing the congregation for [ ] tolerating gay marriage [ ] tolerating gays and witches to live [ ] failure to obey one of god's 600+ laws [ ] failure to combat that spawn of satan Obama [ ] having an adulterer, thief or other sinner in their midst [ ] some of the faithful signing up to the new healthcare system [ ] not wiping the local abortion clinic off the face of the earth [ ] letting women speak up for themselves [ ] not beating their children enough [ ] having the temerity of testing god's love by building in an earthquake zone and sundry other reasons I can't be bothered to type out right now...
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| From | Smiler <smiler@jo.king> |
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| Date | 2015-06-30 23:36 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mmv954$ht3$6@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #1934285 |
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 15:53:24 +0200, Alex W. wrote: > On 30/06/2015 03:52, Mitchell Holman wrote: >> Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote in >> news:6oc2patisq9hki0uk3kmb9able4uohdljs@4ax.com: >> >>> On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:01:48 +0200, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 29/06/2015 01:26, Gordon wrote: >>>> >>>>> God set the whole scenario up such that anyone who wants to can find >>>>> enough information to make their own sovereign choice to either >> accept >>>>> or to reject the idea that God exists. No one is intimidated into >>>>> believing. No one is preprogrammed as a puppet. We are all entirely >>>>> free to make our own sovereign choice on this. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> "Believe in me and follow all of my commandments, or I will see to it >>>> that you will burn in hellfire and suffer torment for all eternity!" >>>> >>>> That's not intimidation? >>>> >>> Did it intimidate you into believing in God? >>> >>> Go against God's will and trouble is likely on down the line. It's >>> like trying to break one or some of God's natural laws. If one walks >>> out into the very cold Arctic region without adequate clothing they >>> will freeze to death. Is God punishing them for being disobedient? >> >> If one walks into a church and an earthquake kills >> you while worshipping is God punishing you for being obedient? > > No, he is punishing the congregation for > > [ ] tolerating gay marriage [ ] tolerating gays and witches to live [ ] > failure to obey one of god's 600+ laws [ ] failure to combat that spawn > of satan Obama [ ] having an adulterer, thief or other sinner in their > midst [ ] some of the faithful signing up to the new healthcare system [ > ] not wiping the local abortion clinic off the face of the earth [ ] > letting women speak up for themselves [ ] not beating their children > enough [ ] having the temerity of testing god's love by building in an > earthquake zone > > and sundry other reasons I can't be bothered to type out right now... There must be at least 600 of them... -- Smiler, The godless one. aa #2279 Gods are all tailored to order. They are made to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.
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| From | Vincent Maycock <vam100@aol.com> |
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| Date | 2015-06-30 12:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vqf5pal5q2garc7ontkhdgt2kekb0acvqa@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1933637 |
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 07:02:20 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: >On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 12:01:48 +0200, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> >wrote: > >>On 29/06/2015 01:26, Gordon wrote: >> >>> God set the whole scenario up such that anyone who wants to can find >>> enough information to make their own sovereign choice to either accept >>> or to reject the idea that God exists. No, actually, there doesn't seem to be any information at all indicating that God exists. >>> No one is intimidated into >>> believing. No one is preprogrammed as a puppet. We are all entirely >>> free to make our own sovereign choice on this. Someone who has evidence that God exists should not feel "coerced" into believing in God, but we don't even have any such evidence. >>"Believe in me and follow all of my commandments, or I will see to it >>that you will burn in hellfire and suffer torment for all eternity!" >> >>That's not intimidation? >> >Did it intimidate you into believing in God? > >Go against God's will and trouble is likely on down the line. It's >like trying to break one or some of God's natural laws. Those laws should probably be fixed, too. >If one walks >out into the very cold Arctic region without adequate clothing they >will freeze to death. Is God punishing them for being disobedient? If God sees someone freezing to death, the appropriate response is to *try and rescue the person*, not to deliver a sermon on how people need to be "matured" in the Arctic by bone-chilling cold. >The statement you made above is merely a line of advice from God. >Ignore it and somewhere on down the line you will be in trouble.
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| From | Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> |
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| Date | 2015-06-29 07:04 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <6vc2pa970no51tr8q27nittj32r3c2iubo@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1933379 |
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 06:09:43 -0400, HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote: >On 6/28/2015 7:26 PM, Gordon wrote: >> >> God set the whole scenario up such that anyone who wants to can find >> enough information to make their own sovereign choice to either accept >> or to reject the idea that God exists. No one is intimidated into >> believing. No one is preprogrammed as a puppet. We are all entirely >> free to make our own sovereign choice on this. > > >Believe in god or spend an eternity burning in flame. >Nope, no intimidation there. > That's sort of like saying, "Don't eat poisoned food or it will make you ill or perhaps kill you." The bottom line is that God's standards cannot be revised to suit our individual whims.
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| From | HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-06-29 08:13 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mmrclf$ke5$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1933638 |
On 6/29/2015 8:04 AM, Gordon wrote: > >> Believe in god or spend an eternity burning in flame. >> Nope, no intimidation there. >> > That's sort of like saying, "Don't eat poisoned food or it will make > you ill or perhaps kill you." The bottom line is that God's standards > cannot be revised to suit our individual whims. Poison is poison. A belief in god will NOT prevent you from being poisoned. So in reality, we can treat god EXACTLY as if he does not exist at all. See how simple life is when you cut out the middleman? -- Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. HAIL HYDRA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224
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| From | Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> |
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| Date | 2015-06-29 08:41 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <cmi2pahkeoucutt4gqumj9t4jklu1h9nge@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1933638 |
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 07:04:35 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: >On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 06:09:43 -0400, HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote: > >>On 6/28/2015 7:26 PM, Gordon wrote: >>> >>> God set the whole scenario up such that anyone who wants to can find >>> enough information to make their own sovereign choice to either accept >>> or to reject the idea that God exists. No one is intimidated into >>> believing. No one is preprogrammed as a puppet. We are all entirely >>> free to make our own sovereign choice on this. >> >> >>Believe in god or spend an eternity burning in flame. >>Nope, no intimidation there. >> >That's sort of like saying, "Don't eat poisoned food or it will make >you ill or perhaps kill you." The bottom line is that God's standards >cannot be revised to suit our individual whims. WHAT FUCKING GOD? The bottom line is that you should be in the loonie-bin.
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-06-29 17:10 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <8ig3pa1ad8tdumhp09q8ikgg5e4d09etgb@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1933379 |
On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 18:26:48 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@swbell.net> wrote: >On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 16:18:36 -0700, talishi <talishi@example.net> >wrote: > >>On 06/28/2015 03:25 PM, duke wrote: >>> On Sun, 28 Jun 2015 08:44:44 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net> wrote: >>> >>>> >On 06/21/2015 01:17 PM, duke wrote: >>>>> >>On Sat, 20 Jun 2015 08:04:07 -0700, talishi<talishi@example.net> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>>>> >>> >On 06/20/2015 08:02 AM, duke wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>Oh, I never use the concept "because the bible says so" in my discussions. >>>>>>> >>> > >>>>>>> >>> >More often than not you say "Sure the Bible says that, but it was just >>>>>>> >>> >one dude talking to another back then." >>>>> >>But I never support myself by professing "because the bible says so" in my >>>>> >>discussions. >>>> > >>>> >We're interested in falsifying Christianity, Duke, not some unsource3d >>>> >fantasy of your own creation. >>> It's impossible for you to falsify Christianity. >> >>That's why we don't let people teach Christianity as science. >> >Christianity is not science...never was and never will be. Never presented anyway. If >Christianity could be taught as science it would be either objectively >proven true or objectively falsified. Then, no one would have any >sovereign choice of rejecting or accepting the idea that God exists. >God set the whole scenario up such that anyone who wants to can find >enough information to make their own sovereign choice to either accept >or to reject the idea that God exists. No one is intimidated into >believing. No one is preprogrammed as a puppet. We are all entirely >free to make our own sovereign choice on this. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2015-06-29 17:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <mjg3paljq7gc2q48co2j2k5768dr8h5t6m@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #1933379 |
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 06:09:43 -0400, HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote: >On 6/28/2015 7:26 PM, Gordon wrote: >> >> God set the whole scenario up such that anyone who wants to can find >> enough information to make their own sovereign choice to either accept >> or to reject the idea that God exists. No one is intimidated into >> believing. No one is preprogrammed as a puppet. We are all entirely >> free to make our own sovereign choice on this. > > >Believe in god or spend an eternity burning in flame. It says "follow", not believe. >Nope, no intimidation there. With "follow", this part is guaranteed. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | talishi <talishi@example.net> |
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| Date | 2015-06-29 17:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mmsos8718ic@news4.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #1933865 |
On 06/29/2015 03:12 PM, duke wrote: > On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 06:09:43 -0400, HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Believe in god or spend an eternity burning in flame. > > It says "follow", not believe. Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
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| From | HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-06-30 05:19 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mmtmrf$aho$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1933968 |
On 6/29/2015 8:46 PM, talishi wrote: > On 06/29/2015 03:12 PM, duke wrote: >> On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 06:09:43 -0400, HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Believe in god or spend an eternity burning in flame. >> >> It says "follow", not believe. > > Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that > believeth not shall be damned. > > Ummmmmm, Mark was misquoted? -- Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. HAIL HYDRA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224
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| From | talishi <talishi@example.net> |
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| Date | 2015-06-30 03:59 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <mmtsqa02rl6@news3.newsguy.com> |
| In reply to | #1934166 |
On 06/30/2015 02:19 AM, HVAC wrote: > On 6/29/2015 8:46 PM, talishi wrote: >> On 06/29/2015 03:12 PM, duke wrote: >>> On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 06:09:43 -0400, HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Believe in god or spend an eternity burning in flame. >>> >>> It says "follow", not believe. >> >> Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that >> believeth not shall be damned. >> > Ummmmmm, Mark was misquoted? That's the Duke Dodge, HVAC. He stakes out something like, "No man has ever seen God". We then offer numerous scriptures where God talks to Abram or Moses face to face, then Duke says the scripture is in error. Which, by the way, is perfectly fine by us!
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| From | HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-06-30 07:29 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mmtufg$7r0$1@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1934204 |
On 6/30/2015 6:59 AM, talishi wrote: > >>>>> Believe in god or spend an eternity burning in flame. >>>> >>>> It says "follow", not believe. >>> >>> Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that >>> believeth not shall be damned. >>> >> Ummmmmm, Mark was misquoted? > > That's the Duke Dodge, HVAC. He stakes out something like, "No man has > ever seen God". We then offer numerous scriptures where God talks to > Abram or Moses face to face, then Duke says the scripture is in error. > Which, by the way, is perfectly fine by us! All kooks lie. But they are lying to themselves. When they get to a logical contradiction, they shut down the thinking part of their brain. The reason? Because their entire belief system is a house of cards. If they start actually THINKING, the house will collapse. This goes for not only god freaks, but for believers in any paranormal shit. ESP, ghosts, aliens...All are bullshit. All built on a house of cards. -- Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. HAIL HYDRA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224
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| From | benj <nobody@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-06-30 15:46 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <4mCkx.17154$ud2.8021@fx25.iad> |
| In reply to | #1934210 |
On 06/30/2015 07:29 AM, HVAC wrote:
> On 6/30/2015 6:59 AM, talishi wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Believe in god or spend an eternity burning in flame.
>>>>>
>>>>> It says "follow", not believe.
>>>>
>>>> Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he
>>>> that
>>>> believeth not shall be damned.
>>>>
>>> Ummmmmm, Mark was misquoted?
>>
>> That's the Duke Dodge, HVAC. He stakes out something like, "No man has
>> ever seen God". We then offer numerous scriptures where God talks to
>> Abram or Moses face to face, then Duke says the scripture is in error.
>> Which, by the way, is perfectly fine by us!
>
> All kooks lie. But they are lying to themselves. When they get to a
> logical contradiction, they shut down the thinking part of their brain.
>
> The reason? Because their entire belief system is a house of cards.
>
> If they start actually THINKING, the house will collapse.
>
> This goes for not only god freaks, but for believers in any paranormal
> shit. ESP, ghosts, aliens...All are bullshit. All built on a house of
> cards.
Beautiful little fantasy you've got going there Harlow. Yeah all kooks
who say UFOs are real are morons. Logic says so. When faced with reality
their house of cards comes tumbling down. Well, until YOU come face to
face with a crashed UFO with dead aliens spewing out of it.
Then what happens to your "logic" and "reason". Harlow you are even MORE
stupid than Herb. Your "logic and reason" are no better than the facts
and observations upon which they are based. Facts and observations are
what is called science. Something about which you and Treeb know very
little.
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| From | HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-01 09:09 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mn0on0$faq$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1934443 |
On 6/30/2015 3:46 PM, benj wrote: > >> All kooks lie. But they are lying to themselves. When they get to a >> logical contradiction, they shut down the thinking part of their brain. >> >> The reason? Because their entire belief system is a house of cards. >> >> If they start actually THINKING, the house will collapse. >> >> This goes for not only god freaks, but for believers in any paranormal >> shit. ESP, ghosts, aliens...All are bullshit. All built on a house of >> cards. > > Beautiful little fantasy you've got going there Harlow. Yeah all kooks > who say UFOs are real are morons. Logic says so. When faced with reality > their house of cards comes tumbling down. Well, until YOU come face to > face with a crashed UFO with dead aliens spewing out of it. > Then what happens to your "logic" and "reason". Harlow you are even MORE > stupid than Herb. Your "logic and reason" are no better than the facts > and observations upon which they are based. Facts and observations are > what is called science. Something about which you and Treeb know very > little. BJ actually believes that aliens are visiting the earth! I told you people. Kick the tires of a kook and you never know what will come tumbling out. "Crashed alien spaceship". Lol -- Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. HAIL HYDRA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224
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| From | benj <none@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-01 11:57 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <96Ukx.43580$ij7.36809@fx02.iad> |
| In reply to | #1934750 |
On 07/01/2015 09:09 AM, HVAC wrote:
> On 6/30/2015 3:46 PM, benj wrote:
>>
>>> All kooks lie. But they are lying to themselves. When they get to a
>>> logical contradiction, they shut down the thinking part of their brain.
>>>
>>> The reason? Because their entire belief system is a house of cards.
>>>
>>> If they start actually THINKING, the house will collapse.
>>>
>>> This goes for not only god freaks, but for believers in any paranormal
>>> shit. ESP, ghosts, aliens...All are bullshit. All built on a house of
>>> cards.
>>
>> Beautiful little fantasy you've got going there Harlow. Yeah all kooks
>> who say UFOs are real are morons. Logic says so. When faced with reality
>> their house of cards comes tumbling down. Well, until YOU come face to
>> face with a crashed UFO with dead aliens spewing out of it.
>> Then what happens to your "logic" and "reason". Harlow you are even MORE
>> stupid than Herb. Your "logic and reason" are no better than the facts
>> and observations upon which they are based. Facts and observations are
>> what is called science. Something about which you and Treeb know very
>> little.
>
>
> BJ actually believes that aliens are visiting the earth!
>
> I told you people. Kick the tires of a kook and you never know what will
> come tumbling out. "Crashed alien spaceship". Lol
Harlow the inveterate liar. I use an example of coming face to face with
undeniable facts and immediately Harlow is crowing that I believe in
visiting aliens. There isn't a logical truthful cell in Harlow's brain.
I DO believe in UFOs because I've seen them. However I have no hard
evidence of exactly what I saw was. I did not see any "aliens landing".
So obviously any belief would not be science but some kind of half-assed
religion like Harlow believes in.
I'd LOVE to see Harlow come face to face with facts (Like the crashed
alien ship) that blows all his pet religious beliefs out of the water.
Atheist fundies like Harlow as such clowns. You can play them on a
string by just jerking it a bit by mentioning certain words and watching
them all dance! Thats why alt.atheism is THE most favored target for
trolls on the Internet!
Hail Harlow! Retarded atheist Retard!
You mad yet?
PS. For you non-strategic writers "inveterate" means
firmly established by long persistence" Bwahahahaha!
Persistence! Watch the HVAC froth spew forth now!
Are you mad now?
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| From | HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-01 14:21 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mn1b13$cc1$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1934812 |
On 7/1/2015 11:57 AM, benj wrote: > >> BJ actually believes that aliens are visiting the earth! >> >> I told you people. Kick the tires of a kook and you never know what will >> come tumbling out. "Crashed alien spaceship". Lol > > Harlow the inveterate liar. I use an example of coming face to face with > undeniable facts and immediately Harlow is crowing that I believe in > visiting aliens. There isn't a logical truthful cell in Harlow's brain. > I DO believe in UFOs because I've seen them. However I have no hard > evidence of exactly what I saw was. I did not see any "aliens landing". > So obviously any belief would not be science but some kind of half-assed > religion like Harlow believes in. > > I'd LOVE to see Harlow come face to face with facts (Like the crashed > alien ship) that blows all his pet religious beliefs out of the water. > Atheist fundies like Harlow as such clowns. You can play them on a > string by just jerking it a bit by mentioning certain words and watching > them all dance! Thats why alt.atheism is THE most favored target for > trolls on the Internet! > > Hail Harlow! Retarded atheist Retard! > > You mad yet? > > PS. For you non-strategic writers "inveterate" means > firmly established by long persistence" We have froth! -- Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. HAIL HYDRA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224
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| From | "Malte Runz" <malte_runz@forgitit.dk> |
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| Date | 2015-07-02 18:30 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <5595672a$0$23212$edfadb0f@dtext01.news.tele.dk> |
| In reply to | #1934812 |
"benj" skrev i meddelelsen news:96Ukx.43580$ij7.36809@fx02.iad... (snip) > I DO believe in UFOs because I've seen them. ... (snip) > Are you mad now? I was just going to ask you. -- Malte Runz
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| From | HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-02 13:54 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <mn3tp4$pgd$5@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #1935311 |
On 7/2/2015 12:30 PM, Malte Runz wrote: > "benj" skrev i meddelelsen news:96Ukx.43580$ij7.36809@fx02.iad... > (snip) > >> I DO believe in UFOs because I've seen them. ... > > (snip) > >> Are you mad now? > > I was just going to ask you. I am experiencing different emotions simultaneously at the same time, together. Thanks for asking. I appreciate the concern. May the blessings of the sun god, Ra, be upon you! -- Cut off one head, two more shall take its place. HAIL HYDRA! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZcG5UOY224
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2015-07-01 15:38 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <55946BE0.78EC@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #1934750 |
HVAC wrote: > > On 6/30/2015 3:46 PM, benj wrote: > > > >> All kooks lie. But they are lying to themselves. When they get to a > >> logical contradiction, they shut down the thinking part of their brain. > >> > >> The reason? Because their entire belief system is a house of cards. > >> > >> If they start actually THINKING, the house will collapse. > >> > >> This goes for not only god freaks, but for believers in any paranormal > >> shit. ESP, ghosts, aliens...All are bullshit. All built on a house of > >> cards. > > > > Beautiful little fantasy you've got going there Harlow. Yeah all kooks > > who say UFOs are real are morons. Logic says so. When faced with reality > > their house of cards comes tumbling down. Well, until YOU come face to > > face with a crashed UFO with dead aliens spewing out of it. > > Then what happens to your "logic" and "reason". Harlow you are even MORE > > stupid than Herb. Your "logic and reason" are no better than the facts > > and observations upon which they are based. Facts and observations are > > what is called science. Something about which you and Treeb know very > > little. > > BJ actually believes that aliens are visiting the earth! ain't you visiting.....the earth? i don't know when you're arrived, but i know you're leaving...soon...for sure. How was your visit on earth? see any prymiads?
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| From | Smiler <smiler@jo.king> |
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| Date | 2015-06-30 23:46 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <mmv9o0$ht3$7@speranza.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #1934210 |
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 07:29:52 -0400, HVAC wrote: > On 6/30/2015 6:59 AM, talishi wrote: >> >>>>>> Believe in god or spend an eternity burning in flame. >>>>> >>>>> It says "follow", not believe. >>>> >>>> Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he >>>> that believeth not shall be damned. >>>> >>> Ummmmmm, Mark was misquoted? >> >> That's the Duke Dodge, HVAC. He stakes out something like, "No man has >> ever seen God". We then offer numerous scriptures where God talks to >> Abram or Moses face to face, then Duke says the scripture is in error. >> Which, by the way, is perfectly fine by us! > > All kooks lie. But they are lying to themselves. When they get to a > logical contradiction, they shut down the thinking part of their brain. What 'thinking part of their brain'? > The reason? Because their entire belief system is a house of cards. > > If they start actually THINKING, the house will collapse. > > This goes for not only god freaks, but for believers in any paranormal > shit. ESP, ghosts, aliens...All are bullshit. All built on a house of > cards. I can consider the possible existence of extraterrestrial aliens. That any have visited this planet is where the bullshit starts. -- Smiler, The godless one. aa #2279 Gods are all tailored to order. They are made to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.
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