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This guy nails it

Started byRudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con>
First post2024-08-31 17:05 -0700
Last post2024-09-05 07:57 +0100
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  This guy nails it Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con> - 2024-08-31 17:05 -0700
    Re: This guy nails it Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2024-08-31 17:22 -0700
      Re: This guy nails it Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-01 07:37 -0400
        Re: This guy nails it Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2024-09-01 14:38 -0400
      Re: This guy nails it Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con> - 2024-09-01 11:06 -0700
      Re: This guy nails it Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2024-09-01 14:31 -0400
    Re: This guy nails it Klaus  Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent�ter.@gmail.com> - 2024-09-01 04:46 -0700
    Re: This guy nails it Greg <X@Y.com> - 2024-09-01 14:40 +0000
    Re: This guy nails it Lil dwarf Rudey <dumbasastump@invalid.org> - 2024-09-01 10:24 -0600
    Re: This guy nails it Rich lagrito <rlagrito@xtra.com> - 2024-09-01 23:20 +0200
      Re: This guy nails it Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2024-09-01 19:58 -0400
        Re: This guy nails it Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2024-09-02 10:16 +1000
          Re: This guy nails it Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2024-09-01 23:44 -0400
          Re: This guy nails it Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2024-09-05 07:57 +0100

#3402290 — This guy nails it

FromRudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con>
Date2024-08-31 17:05 -0700
SubjectThis guy nails it
Message-ID<zdOAO.24368$kznd.9328@fx35.iad>
"If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, even though 
your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've done half the job. If you 
can get those poor working class white people to believe that their enemies are 
rich plutocrats and oligarchs, but the poor brown family that lives next door, 
then you're onto keeping power. It's a crappy system."

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041

Video allowed — it proves the quote. (video is not allowed when it's posted as 
the sole point.)

-- 
Every Republiscum/QAnon accusation is, in fact, a confession

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#3402293

FromJosh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com>
Date2024-08-31 17:22 -0700
Message-ID<vb0c47$15k0i$7@dont-email.me>
In reply to#3402290
On 8/31/2024 5:05 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
> "If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, even 
> though your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've done half 
> the job. If you can get those poor working class white people to believe 
> that their enemies are rich plutocrats and oligarchs, but the poor brown 
> family that lives next door, then you're onto keeping power. It's a 
> crappy system."
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041
> 
> Video allowed — it proves the quote. (video is not allowed when it's 
> posted as the sole point.)

As George Carlin said:

"The upper class: keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The 
middle class: pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are 
there...just to scare the shit out of the middle class."

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#3402349

FromChris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Date2024-09-01 07:37 -0400
Message-ID<vb1jlu$1f97h$13@dont-email.me>
In reply to#3402293
Josh Rosenbluth wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 8/31/2024 5:05 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> "If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, even 
>> though your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've done half 
>> the job. If you can get those poor working class white people to believe 
>> that their enemies are rich plutocrats and oligarchs, but the poor brown 
>> family that lives next door, then you're onto keeping power. It's a 
>> crappy system."
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041
>> 
>> Video allowed — it proves the quote. (video is not allowed when it's 
>> posted as the sole point.)
>
> As George Carlin said:
>
> "The upper class: keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The 
> middle class: pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are 
> there...just to scare the shit out of the middle class."

He elaborates here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeRd0EJbkC0

    "The Game Is Rigged!" George Carlin on American Dream

This video came to my attention via a post from Lawrence Lessig on Google+
when that was still a thing.

-- 
The Fastest Defeat In Chess
 The big name for us in the world of chess is Gibaud, a French chess master.
 In Paris during 1924 he was beaten after only four moves by a Monsieur
 Lazard.  Happily for posterity, the moves are recorded and so chess
 enthusiasts may reconstruct this magnificent collapse in the comfort of
 their own homes.  Lazard was black and Gibaud white:
	1: P-Q4, Kt-KB3
	2: Kt-Q2, P-K4
	3: PxP, Kt-Kt5
	4: P-KR3, Kt-K6
	White then resigns on realizing that a fifth move would involve
either a Q-KR5 check or the loss of his queen.
		-- Stephen Pile, "The Book of Heroic Failures"

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#3402440

FromGovernor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com>
Date2024-09-01 14:38 -0400
Message-ID<dvc9djtgfgqagebrv8lt952ogqn96308j8@4ax.com>
In reply to#3402349
On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 07:37:33 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:

>Josh Rosenbluth wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 8/31/2024 5:05 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>> "If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, even 
>>> though your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've done half 
>>> the job. If you can get those poor working class white people to believe 
>>> that their enemies are rich plutocrats and oligarchs, but the poor brown 
>>> family that lives next door, then you're onto keeping power. It's a 
>>> crappy system."
>>> 
>>> https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041
>>> 
>>> Video allowed — it proves the quote. (video is not allowed when it's 
>>> posted as the sole point.)
>>
>> As George Carlin said:
>>
>> "The upper class: keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The 
>> middle class: pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are 
>> there...just to scare the shit out of the middle class."
>
>He elaborates here:
>
>    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeRd0EJbkC0
>
>    "The Game Is Rigged!" George Carlin on American Dream
>
>This video came to my attention via a post from Lawrence Lessig on Google+
>when that was still a thing.

Fabulous!

"The owners of this country know the truth.  It's called the American Dream, but
you have to be asleep to believe in it."


My dad has a new hobby.  He collects empty bottles which sounds so much better
than alcoholic.
--
#NEVERtrump

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#3402432

FromRudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con>
Date2024-09-01 11:06 -0700
Message-ID<%22BO.266557$jia4.153552@fx18.iad>
In reply to#3402293
On 8/31/2024 5:22 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
> On 8/31/2024 5:05 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> "If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, even though 
>> your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've done half the job. If 
>> you can get those poor working class white people to believe that their 
>> enemies are rich plutocrats and oligarchs, but the poor brown family that 
>> lives next door, then you're onto keeping power. It's a crappy system."
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041
>>
>> Video allowed — it proves the quote. (video is not allowed when it's posted as 
>> the sole point.)
> 
> As George Carlin said:
> 
> "The upper class: keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The middle 
> class: pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are there...just to 
> scare the shit out of the middle class."

Good one!

-- 
Every Republiscum/QAnon accusation is, in fact, a confession

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#3402437

FromGovernor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com>
Date2024-09-01 14:31 -0400
Message-ID<omc9dj9hqm6teb3barthbd639acgb7umgl@4ax.com>
In reply to#3402293
On Sat, 31 Aug 2024 17:22:29 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On 8/31/2024 5:05 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> "If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, even 
>> though your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've done half 
>> the job. If you can get those poor working class white people to believe 
>> that their enemies are rich plutocrats and oligarchs, but the poor brown 
>> family that lives next door, then you're onto keeping power. It's a 
>> crappy system."
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041
>> 
>> Video allowed — it proves the quote. (video is not allowed when it's 
>> posted as the sole point.)
>
>As George Carlin said:
>
>"The upper class: keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The 
>middle class: pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are 
>there...just to scare the shit out of the middle class."

The man is a political genius.

Not that I agree with *everything* he says ...


I want to write a mystery novel.

	Or do I?

--
#NEVERtrump

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#3402362

FromKlaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent�ter.@gmail.com>
Date2024-09-01 04:46 -0700
Message-ID<6vk8djht4jb91mml0qjheptnldug39fsm2@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com>
In reply to#3402290
[Default]  Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con> typed:

>https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041
>
>Video allowed — it proves the quote.

No, video is NOT allowed, "Cunt Flaps."


RUDY'S USENET RULES

If you wish to address me, scooter, you will do it in direct reply to
my posts; no piggybacking.
-Rudy, thinking he makes the rules
-Message-ID: <ZZacK.8$tTq1.2@fx34.iad>

"Reply to my posts if you want to say anything to me, cuntflaps."
-Rudy, angry at being ignored.
Message-ID: <SWfJI.64347$Vv6.12745@fx45.iad>

"If I don't respond directly to you, it's because I'm displaying my
cowardice and my fear of you. I'm in terror of you. That's why I won't
respond to you directly.  I'm a fucking punk coward!
- "Rudy Canoza"
Message-ID: <GcV3D.419335$DS3.262067@fx42.iad>
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 22:20:39 -0700

Videos not allowed.
Imaginärer Gruppenleiter Rudy "Cunt Flaps" Canoza
Message-ID: <atw5M.62534$qjm2.26180@fx09.iad>

This video is allowed under the rules of Usenet, because it is
*supporting* a point, not making it.
-"Cunt Flaps" Canoza
Message-ID: <pygXN.16915$nQv.7031@fx10.iad>

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#3402390

FromGreg <X@Y.com>
Date2024-09-01 14:40 +0000
Message-ID<vb1uc0$1g4di$30@dont-email.me>
In reply to#3402290
>
>"If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, even
>though your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've done half
>the job. If you can get those poor working class white people to believe
>that their enemies are rich plutocrats and oligarchs, but the poor brown
>family that lives next door, then you're onto keeping power. It's a
>crappy system." 
>
>https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041
>

They say the right wing character who gave the first fascist straight arm 
salute while screaming "Heil Hitler" nailed it too.

That's why Trump is familiar with Mein Kamph.

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#3402418

FromLil dwarf Rudey <dumbasastump@invalid.org>
Date2024-09-01 10:24 -0600
Message-ID<vb24fj$1i0sb$41@dont-email.me>
In reply to#3402290
Rudy Canoza wrote:
> (video is not allowed




Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A 
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party and a few dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Oh poor me I got shot at ...

Swill
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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 > No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to 
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
 > is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the 
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail 
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any 
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any 
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon 
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice 
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office 
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or 
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the 
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the 
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect, 
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, 
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in 
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful 
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President, 
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections 
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in 
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The 
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of 
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the 
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3, 
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69 
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L. 
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title 
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the 
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret 
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has 
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great 
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons 
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to 
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security 
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For 
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the 
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18 
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases, 
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count 
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case 
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday 
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President. 
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five 
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency 
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while 
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats 
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On 
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening 
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to 
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the 
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal 
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another 
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the 
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of 
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count 
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of 
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of 
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with 
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is 
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes 
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this 
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is 
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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#3402448

FromRich lagrito <rlagrito@xtra.com>
Date2024-09-01 23:20 +0200
Message-ID<0b5f0e90f3f706eb27b0b24d1f6b4afb@dizum.com>
In reply to#3402290
On 31 Aug 2024, Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con> posted some
news:zdOAO.24368$kznd.9328@fx35.iad: 

> "If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, even
> though your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've done half
> the job. If you can get those poor working class white people to
> believe that their enemies are rich plutocrats and oligarchs, but the
> poor brown family that lives next door, then you're onto keeping
> power. It's a crappy system." 
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041

He's an illiterate fool like most Democrats.  Read the second sentence, 
slowly.

--
According to liberals, there is no poor white working class any longer.

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#3402453

FromGovernor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com>
Date2024-09-01 19:58 -0400
Message-ID<1qv9dj1vg21ndr0eo6m01lt06gc9ujvf5b@4ax.com>
In reply to#3402448
On Sun,  1 Sep 2024 23:20:47 +0200 (CEST), Rich lagrito <rlagrito@xtra.com>
wrote:

>On 31 Aug 2024, Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con> posted some
>news:zdOAO.24368$kznd.9328@fx35.iad: 
>
>> "If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, even
>> though your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've done half
>> the job. If you can get those poor working class white people to
>> believe that their enemies are rich plutocrats and oligarchs, but the
>> poor brown family that lives next door, then you're onto keeping
>> power. It's a crappy system." 
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041
>
>He's an illiterate fool like most Democrats.  Read the second sentence, 
>slowly.

It's missing the word 'not'.

"If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, even
though your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've done half
the job. If you can get those poor working class white people to
believe that their enemies are not rich plutocrats and oligarchs, but the
poor brown family that lives next door, then you're onto keeping
power. It's a crappy system." 

Better.

My friend used to introduce himself as "Stephen with a ph" so I guess he was
slightly acidic.

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#NEVERtrump

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#3402471

FromPeter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
Date2024-09-02 10:16 +1000
Message-ID<vb304a$1m5g5$1@dont-email.me>
In reply to#3402453
On 02/09/24 09:58, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sun,  1 Sep 2024 23:20:47 +0200 (CEST), Rich lagrito
> <rlagrito@xtra.com> wrote:
>
>> On 31 Aug 2024, Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con> posted some
>> news:zdOAO.24368$kznd.9328@fx35.iad:
>>
>>> "If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you,
>>> even though your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've
>>> done half the job. If you can get those poor working class white
>>> people to believe that their enemies are rich plutocrats and
>>> oligarchs, but the poor brown family that lives next door, then
>>> you're onto keeping power. It's a crappy system."
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041
>>
>> He's an illiterate fool like most Democrats.  Read the second
>> sentence, slowly.
>
> It's missing the word 'not'.
>
> "If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you,
> even though your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've
> done half the job. If you can get those poor working class white
> people to believe that their enemies are not rich plutocrats and
> oligarchs, but the poor brown family that lives next door, then
> you're onto keeping power. It's a crappy system."
>
> Better.
>
> My friend used to introduce himself as "Stephen with a ph" so I guess
> he was slightly acidic.

[Some of the obvious crank groups excluded, but I don't know whether
those that are left are also crank groups.]

When I was a student I knew someone who introduced himself as "Brendon
with an 'o'". We all called him Brondan.

In most countries, poor working class people automatically vote
left-wing. The US is an exception, and I've never understood why.

-- 
Peter Moylan       peter@pmoylan.org    http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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#3402488

FromRich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net>
Date2024-09-01 23:44 -0400
Message-ID<d7badj1rk1l9jo7jc1bkjvr4rou9kt5t48@4ax.com>
In reply to#3402471
On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 10:16:07 +1000, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:

>
>In most countries, poor working class people automatically vote
>left-wing. The US is an exception, and I've never understood why.


Eisenhower (1950s) was Republican and a war hero.  Adlai
Stephenson was 'egghead' and Democrats started supporting
more education as generally a good thing. 

Johnson (1960s) gave us the Voting Rights Act, even though 
(he admitted) Democrats would lose the South for a generation -- 
the working class. 

White Flight (1970s) set the working class against schools with
Blacks and without morning prayers (Madalyn Murray O'Hare)
or Creationism. Republican sucked up the support of the less 
educated and more racist, i.e., working class, with Ronald Reagan
(1980s). 

Ronald Reagan had experience as union president to the stars
(SAG), and then had been a TV host who spent years on the rubber
chicken circuit for GE, where he learned to sell extreme ideas without
sounding extreme.  Republican after him still push the myth that low 
taxes for rich people is good for the economy (NOT). Or, shoveling 
money to rich people is good. 

Lately, Republicans have also picked up on the converse idea, that 
spending money to help ordinary people is BAD -- bad for the
economy, probably, but also bad (somehow) sociologically.
Racism comes in there, too -- it may be okay to spend money
on the 'deserving poor' (whites) but a mistake to help Blacks. 

Pollution control and sexism?  I suppose they enter in with the
development of 'identity' politics: people trust the people who seem
to share their values.  Fox News (1995, and on) came along and 
offered credibility to ignoramuses as guests, duping viewers by
using the slogan, Fair and Balanced.


-- 
Rich Ulrich 

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#3403026

FromAidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net>
Date2024-09-05 07:57 +0100
Message-ID<87ed5ymvtb.fsf@parhasard.net>
In reply to#3402471
 Ar an dara lá de mí Méan Fómhair, scríobh Peter Moylan: 

 > [...] In most countries, poor working class people automatically vote
 > left-wing. The US is an exception, and I've never understood why.

The Republic of Ireland also; there is a Labour party and it was occasionally
in government but it was never as formidable as the German SDP. The
right-of-centre two main parties, both basically comparable to the German
CDU/CSU as the natural parties of government have, however, been relatively
high tax/high spend so post-taxation inequality of income is very limited here.

The RoI never really industrialised in the usual understanding of the word, so
that may be enough to explain a limited voting base for Labour.

It occured to me that voting dynamics in the Philippines would be interesting
on this front, and yeah, no real left/right dynamic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_the_Philippines

  “Levels of education correlate with voting for each of the types of
  candidates, with those with less education more likely to vote for celebrity
  candidates and those with more education more likely to vote for dynastic
  candidates. Less wealthy voters are more likely to vote for celebrity
  candidates, although it has little impact on votes for dynastic candidates. 
  Older voters are more likely to vote for celebrity candidates, and voters in
  Luzon are more likely to vote for celebrity candidates than voters in the
  Visayas or Mindanao.[49]: 91–92  While the constitution bans political
  dynasties, no legislation has been passed to define what this means.[48] Term
  limits have had a limited effect on such dynasties.[87]
  
  [...]
  
  Local politicians attend events such as baptisms, funerals, and weddings
  within their constituency, often providing a direct financial
  donation.[18]: 102  In urban areas, where established patron-client links are
  weaker, patronage takes the form of machine politics, being more specific and
  short-term.[88]: 20–21  In such situations, electoral fraud and physical
  coercion is more common.[89]: 28–30  Vote buying is extremely prevalent,
  including “negative vote buying”, where voters are taken out of their
  constituency on voting day or have their fingers inked without having cast a
  ballot.[58] Over time, this model of control, supported through the economic
  benefits of state capture, has become more prominent compared to the older
  paternalistic model.[89]: 28–30”
  
Also a country that never really industrialised.

-- 
‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
(C. Moore)

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