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| Started by | Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con> |
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| First post | 2024-08-31 17:05 -0700 |
| Last post | 2024-09-05 07:57 +0100 |
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This guy nails it Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con> - 2024-08-31 17:05 -0700
Re: This guy nails it Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> - 2024-08-31 17:22 -0700
Re: This guy nails it Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-09-01 07:37 -0400
Re: This guy nails it Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2024-09-01 14:38 -0400
Re: This guy nails it Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con> - 2024-09-01 11:06 -0700
Re: This guy nails it Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2024-09-01 14:31 -0400
Re: This guy nails it Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent�ter.@gmail.com> - 2024-09-01 04:46 -0700
Re: This guy nails it Greg <X@Y.com> - 2024-09-01 14:40 +0000
Re: This guy nails it Lil dwarf Rudey <dumbasastump@invalid.org> - 2024-09-01 10:24 -0600
Re: This guy nails it Rich lagrito <rlagrito@xtra.com> - 2024-09-01 23:20 +0200
Re: This guy nails it Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2024-09-01 19:58 -0400
Re: This guy nails it Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2024-09-02 10:16 +1000
Re: This guy nails it Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2024-09-01 23:44 -0400
Re: This guy nails it Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2024-09-05 07:57 +0100
| From | Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con> |
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| Date | 2024-08-31 17:05 -0700 |
| Subject | This guy nails it |
| Message-ID | <zdOAO.24368$kznd.9328@fx35.iad> |
"If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, even though your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've done half the job. If you can get those poor working class white people to believe that their enemies are rich plutocrats and oligarchs, but the poor brown family that lives next door, then you're onto keeping power. It's a crappy system." https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041 Video allowed — it proves the quote. (video is not allowed when it's posted as the sole point.) -- Every Republiscum/QAnon accusation is, in fact, a confession
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| From | Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> |
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| Date | 2024-08-31 17:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <vb0c47$15k0i$7@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #3402290 |
On 8/31/2024 5:05 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote: > "If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, even > though your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've done half > the job. If you can get those poor working class white people to believe > that their enemies are rich plutocrats and oligarchs, but the poor brown > family that lives next door, then you're onto keeping power. It's a > crappy system." > > https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041 > > Video allowed — it proves the quote. (video is not allowed when it's > posted as the sole point.) As George Carlin said: "The upper class: keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The middle class: pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are there...just to scare the shit out of the middle class."
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| From | Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> |
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| Date | 2024-09-01 07:37 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <vb1jlu$1f97h$13@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #3402293 |
Josh Rosenbluth wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
> On 8/31/2024 5:05 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> "If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, even
>> though your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've done half
>> the job. If you can get those poor working class white people to believe
>> that their enemies are rich plutocrats and oligarchs, but the poor brown
>> family that lives next door, then you're onto keeping power. It's a
>> crappy system."
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041
>>
>> Video allowed — it proves the quote. (video is not allowed when it's
>> posted as the sole point.)
>
> As George Carlin said:
>
> "The upper class: keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The
> middle class: pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are
> there...just to scare the shit out of the middle class."
He elaborates here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeRd0EJbkC0
"The Game Is Rigged!" George Carlin on American Dream
This video came to my attention via a post from Lawrence Lessig on Google+
when that was still a thing.
--
The Fastest Defeat In Chess
The big name for us in the world of chess is Gibaud, a French chess master.
In Paris during 1924 he was beaten after only four moves by a Monsieur
Lazard. Happily for posterity, the moves are recorded and so chess
enthusiasts may reconstruct this magnificent collapse in the comfort of
their own homes. Lazard was black and Gibaud white:
1: P-Q4, Kt-KB3
2: Kt-Q2, P-K4
3: PxP, Kt-Kt5
4: P-KR3, Kt-K6
White then resigns on realizing that a fifth move would involve
either a Q-KR5 check or the loss of his queen.
-- Stephen Pile, "The Book of Heroic Failures"
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| From | Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-01 14:38 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <dvc9djtgfgqagebrv8lt952ogqn96308j8@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #3402349 |
On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 07:37:33 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: >Josh Rosenbluth wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties: > >> On 8/31/2024 5:05 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote: >>> "If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, even >>> though your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've done half >>> the job. If you can get those poor working class white people to believe >>> that their enemies are rich plutocrats and oligarchs, but the poor brown >>> family that lives next door, then you're onto keeping power. It's a >>> crappy system." >>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041 >>> >>> Video allowed — it proves the quote. (video is not allowed when it's >>> posted as the sole point.) >> >> As George Carlin said: >> >> "The upper class: keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The >> middle class: pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are >> there...just to scare the shit out of the middle class." > >He elaborates here: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeRd0EJbkC0 > > "The Game Is Rigged!" George Carlin on American Dream > >This video came to my attention via a post from Lawrence Lessig on Google+ >when that was still a thing. Fabulous! "The owners of this country know the truth. It's called the American Dream, but you have to be asleep to believe in it." My dad has a new hobby. He collects empty bottles which sounds so much better than alcoholic. -- #NEVERtrump
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| From | Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con> |
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| Date | 2024-09-01 11:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <%22BO.266557$jia4.153552@fx18.iad> |
| In reply to | #3402293 |
On 8/31/2024 5:22 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote: > On 8/31/2024 5:05 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote: >> "If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, even though >> your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've done half the job. If >> you can get those poor working class white people to believe that their >> enemies are rich plutocrats and oligarchs, but the poor brown family that >> lives next door, then you're onto keeping power. It's a crappy system." >> >> https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041 >> >> Video allowed — it proves the quote. (video is not allowed when it's posted as >> the sole point.) > > As George Carlin said: > > "The upper class: keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The middle > class: pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are there...just to > scare the shit out of the middle class." Good one! -- Every Republiscum/QAnon accusation is, in fact, a confession
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| From | Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-01 14:31 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <omc9dj9hqm6teb3barthbd639acgb7umgl@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #3402293 |
On Sat, 31 Aug 2024 17:22:29 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote: >On 8/31/2024 5:05 PM, Rudy Canoza wrote: >> "If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, even >> though your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've done half >> the job. If you can get those poor working class white people to believe >> that their enemies are rich plutocrats and oligarchs, but the poor brown >> family that lives next door, then you're onto keeping power. It's a >> crappy system." >> >> https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041 >> >> Video allowed — it proves the quote. (video is not allowed when it's >> posted as the sole point.) > >As George Carlin said: > >"The upper class: keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The >middle class: pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are >there...just to scare the shit out of the middle class." The man is a political genius. Not that I agree with *everything* he says ... I want to write a mystery novel. Or do I? -- #NEVERtrump
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| From | Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent�ter.@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-01 04:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <6vk8djht4jb91mml0qjheptnldug39fsm2@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksucking.dwarf.com> |
| In reply to | #3402290 |
[Default] Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con> typed: >https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041 > >Video allowed — it proves the quote. No, video is NOT allowed, "Cunt Flaps." RUDY'S USENET RULES If you wish to address me, scooter, you will do it in direct reply to my posts; no piggybacking. -Rudy, thinking he makes the rules -Message-ID: <ZZacK.8$tTq1.2@fx34.iad> "Reply to my posts if you want to say anything to me, cuntflaps." -Rudy, angry at being ignored. Message-ID: <SWfJI.64347$Vv6.12745@fx45.iad> "If I don't respond directly to you, it's because I'm displaying my cowardice and my fear of you. I'm in terror of you. That's why I won't respond to you directly. I'm a fucking punk coward! - "Rudy Canoza" Message-ID: <GcV3D.419335$DS3.262067@fx42.iad> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 22:20:39 -0700 Videos not allowed. Imaginärer Gruppenleiter Rudy "Cunt Flaps" Canoza Message-ID: <atw5M.62534$qjm2.26180@fx09.iad> This video is allowed under the rules of Usenet, because it is *supporting* a point, not making it. -"Cunt Flaps" Canoza Message-ID: <pygXN.16915$nQv.7031@fx10.iad>
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| From | Greg <X@Y.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-01 14:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <vb1uc0$1g4di$30@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #3402290 |
> >"If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, even >though your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've done half >the job. If you can get those poor working class white people to believe >that their enemies are rich plutocrats and oligarchs, but the poor brown >family that lives next door, then you're onto keeping power. It's a >crappy system." > >https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041 > They say the right wing character who gave the first fascist straight arm salute while screaming "Heil Hitler" nailed it too. That's why Trump is familiar with Mein Kamph.
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| From | Lil dwarf Rudey <dumbasastump@invalid.org> |
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| Date | 2024-09-01 10:24 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <vb24fj$1i0sb$41@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #3402290 |
Rudy Canoza wrote:
> (video is not allowed
Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party and a few dozen other socks wrote:
Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Oh poor me I got shot at ...
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.
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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.
https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and
PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.
The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.
Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.
A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.
Those can be reported here:
https://tips.fbi.gov/home
https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint
https://www.secretservice.gov/contact
https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california
Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?
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| From | Rich lagrito <rlagrito@xtra.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-01 23:20 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <0b5f0e90f3f706eb27b0b24d1f6b4afb@dizum.com> |
| In reply to | #3402290 |
On 31 Aug 2024, Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con> posted some news:zdOAO.24368$kznd.9328@fx35.iad: > "If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, even > though your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've done half > the job. If you can get those poor working class white people to > believe that their enemies are rich plutocrats and oligarchs, but the > poor brown family that lives next door, then you're onto keeping > power. It's a crappy system." > > https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041 He's an illiterate fool like most Democrats. Read the second sentence, slowly. -- According to liberals, there is no poor white working class any longer.
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| From | Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2024-09-01 19:58 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <1qv9dj1vg21ndr0eo6m01lt06gc9ujvf5b@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #3402448 |
On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 23:20:47 +0200 (CEST), Rich lagrito <rlagrito@xtra.com> wrote: >On 31 Aug 2024, Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con> posted some >news:zdOAO.24368$kznd.9328@fx35.iad: > >> "If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, even >> though your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've done half >> the job. If you can get those poor working class white people to >> believe that their enemies are rich plutocrats and oligarchs, but the >> poor brown family that lives next door, then you're onto keeping >> power. It's a crappy system." >> >> https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041 > >He's an illiterate fool like most Democrats. Read the second sentence, >slowly. It's missing the word 'not'. "If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, even though your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've done half the job. If you can get those poor working class white people to believe that their enemies are not rich plutocrats and oligarchs, but the poor brown family that lives next door, then you're onto keeping power. It's a crappy system." Better. My friend used to introduce himself as "Stephen with a ph" so I guess he was slightly acidic. -- #NEVERtrump
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| From | Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> |
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| Date | 2024-09-02 10:16 +1000 |
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On 02/09/24 09:58, Governor Swill wrote: > On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 23:20:47 +0200 (CEST), Rich lagrito > <rlagrito@xtra.com> wrote: > >> On 31 Aug 2024, Rudy Canoza <rc.@hendrie.con> posted some >> news:zdOAO.24368$kznd.9328@fx35.iad: >> >>> "If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, >>> even though your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've >>> done half the job. If you can get those poor working class white >>> people to believe that their enemies are rich plutocrats and >>> oligarchs, but the poor brown family that lives next door, then >>> you're onto keeping power. It's a crappy system." >>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/reel/1169212174276041 >> >> He's an illiterate fool like most Democrats. Read the second >> sentence, slowly. > > It's missing the word 'not'. > > "If you can get poor working class white people to vote for you, > even though your policies will help (only) rich folk, then you've > done half the job. If you can get those poor working class white > people to believe that their enemies are not rich plutocrats and > oligarchs, but the poor brown family that lives next door, then > you're onto keeping power. It's a crappy system." > > Better. > > My friend used to introduce himself as "Stephen with a ph" so I guess > he was slightly acidic. [Some of the obvious crank groups excluded, but I don't know whether those that are left are also crank groups.] When I was a student I knew someone who introduced himself as "Brendon with an 'o'". We all called him Brondan. In most countries, poor working class people automatically vote left-wing. The US is an exception, and I've never understood why. -- Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org Newcastle, NSW
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| From | Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2024-09-01 23:44 -0400 |
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On Mon, 2 Sep 2024 10:16:07 +1000, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote: > >In most countries, poor working class people automatically vote >left-wing. The US is an exception, and I've never understood why. Eisenhower (1950s) was Republican and a war hero. Adlai Stephenson was 'egghead' and Democrats started supporting more education as generally a good thing. Johnson (1960s) gave us the Voting Rights Act, even though (he admitted) Democrats would lose the South for a generation -- the working class. White Flight (1970s) set the working class against schools with Blacks and without morning prayers (Madalyn Murray O'Hare) or Creationism. Republican sucked up the support of the less educated and more racist, i.e., working class, with Ronald Reagan (1980s). Ronald Reagan had experience as union president to the stars (SAG), and then had been a TV host who spent years on the rubber chicken circuit for GE, where he learned to sell extreme ideas without sounding extreme. Republican after him still push the myth that low taxes for rich people is good for the economy (NOT). Or, shoveling money to rich people is good. Lately, Republicans have also picked up on the converse idea, that spending money to help ordinary people is BAD -- bad for the economy, probably, but also bad (somehow) sociologically. Racism comes in there, too -- it may be okay to spend money on the 'deserving poor' (whites) but a mistake to help Blacks. Pollution control and sexism? I suppose they enter in with the development of 'identity' politics: people trust the people who seem to share their values. Fox News (1995, and on) came along and offered credibility to ignoramuses as guests, duping viewers by using the slogan, Fair and Balanced. -- Rich Ulrich
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| From | Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> |
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| Date | 2024-09-05 07:57 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <87ed5ymvtb.fsf@parhasard.net> |
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Ar an dara lá de mí Méan Fómhair, scríobh Peter Moylan: > [...] In most countries, poor working class people automatically vote > left-wing. The US is an exception, and I've never understood why. The Republic of Ireland also; there is a Labour party and it was occasionally in government but it was never as formidable as the German SDP. The right-of-centre two main parties, both basically comparable to the German CDU/CSU as the natural parties of government have, however, been relatively high tax/high spend so post-taxation inequality of income is very limited here. The RoI never really industrialised in the usual understanding of the word, so that may be enough to explain a limited voting base for Labour. It occured to me that voting dynamics in the Philippines would be interesting on this front, and yeah, no real left/right dynamic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_the_Philippines “Levels of education correlate with voting for each of the types of candidates, with those with less education more likely to vote for celebrity candidates and those with more education more likely to vote for dynastic candidates. Less wealthy voters are more likely to vote for celebrity candidates, although it has little impact on votes for dynastic candidates. Older voters are more likely to vote for celebrity candidates, and voters in Luzon are more likely to vote for celebrity candidates than voters in the Visayas or Mindanao.[49]: 91–92 While the constitution bans political dynasties, no legislation has been passed to define what this means.[48] Term limits have had a limited effect on such dynasties.[87] [...] Local politicians attend events such as baptisms, funerals, and weddings within their constituency, often providing a direct financial donation.[18]: 102 In urban areas, where established patron-client links are weaker, patronage takes the form of machine politics, being more specific and short-term.[88]: 20–21 In such situations, electoral fraud and physical coercion is more common.[89]: 28–30 Vote buying is extremely prevalent, including “negative vote buying”, where voters are taken out of their constituency on voting day or have their fingers inked without having cast a ballot.[58] Over time, this model of control, supported through the economic benefits of state capture, has become more prominent compared to the older paternalistic model.[89]: 28–30” Also a country that never really industrialised. -- ‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out / How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’ (C. Moore)
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