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  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-17 19:42 -0500
    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-18 06:50 +0200
      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-17 23:24 -0700
        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-18 20:14 +0200
          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-18 15:06 -0400
            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-30 06:33 +0200
              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-29 23:27 -0700
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-30 02:59 -0400
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-09-30 00:43 -0700
                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-30 07:41 -0400
                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-01 11:39 +1000
                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-30 23:16 -0400
                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-01 14:53 +1000
                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-10-01 04:48 -0400
                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-02 10:40 +1100
                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-10-01 20:49 -0400
                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-10-02 13:46 +0000
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-10-02 23:14 +0000
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-03 12:15 +1100
                                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-10-02 21:25 -0400
                                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-03 13:43 +1100
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 11:48 -0700
                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-01 10:10 -0700
                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-01 10:42 -0700
                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-10-01 19:09 -0700
              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-30 02:54 -0400
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-30 02:06 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 11:17 -0700
                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-30 14:07 -0500
                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-30 23:11 -0400
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-01 08:52 +0200
                  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-10-01 05:00 -0400
                    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-02 07:39 +0200
                      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-10-02 02:24 -0400
                        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-10-02 11:53 +0000
                          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-10-02 09:01 -0400
                            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-02 18:02 +0200
                              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-02 11:02 -0700
                                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-10-02 19:33 -0700

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#2176397

On 03/10/2016 12:25, Attila wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 13:46:16 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> in
> alt.atheism with message-id <nsr338$h36$1@gioia.aioe.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 01 Oct 2016 20:49:12 -0400, Attila < wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 2 Oct 2016 10:40:15 +1100, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> in
>>> alt.atheism with message-id <e5avr1F2monU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 01/10/2016 18:48, Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 1 Oct 2016 14:53:17 +1000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> in
>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <e58tq0FhoquU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/10/2016 13:16, Attila wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 1 Oct 2016 11:39:57 +1000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> in
>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <e58ifgFfe6uU1@mid.individual.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 30/09/2016 21:41, Attila wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:43:08 -0700 (PDT), hhyapster@gmail.com in
>>>>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> <1a078491-d220-4cbb-a5c4-ed35d4d921b7@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Communism is actually a just system, equality among all people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is unworkable outside of a small primitive community.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The communities do not have to be primitive, but yes, they have to
>>>>>>>> be small.  There is a practical size limit, dictated by Dunbar's
>>>>>>>> Number
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and by external pressures.  The more isolated and marginal a
>>>>>>>> community, the more important cooperation and sharing of resources
>>>>>>>> becomes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is also the issue of how to define "communism": of resources
>>>>>>>> only,
>>>>>>>> or of total egalitarianism in authority and hierarchical structures
>>>>>>>> as well?  It is one thing to share the working and harvest of
>>>>>>>> pastures and fields, it is quite another to sit down and have
>>>>>>>> communal discussion and agreement on every aspect of life....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The community must be small enough so that the members all know each
>>>>>>> other and can use social pressure to insure it works.  Since it is
>>>>>>> contrary to human nature it is unworkable in any extended society,
>>>>>>> as demonstrated wherever it has been tried.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A theoretical exception might be nomadic cultures: by the nature of
>>>>>> their lifestyle, it is not just difficult but actively problematic to
>>>>>> amass personal property.  But in general, yes, the size limitations
>>>>>> definitely hold true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suppose one could posit a society composed entirely of small
>>>>>> communities ordered along practical communist (or at least socialist)
>>>>>> lines, but I rather doubt that without isolation from other cultures
>>>>>> such a setup could survive for any length of time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> It has been tried in history and has always failed once the society
>>>>> reached a certain size or a certain level of interaction with other
>>>>> societies.  Marx sounds great on the surface but it has proven to be
>>>>> unworkable on many levels.  The most famous problem of course was the
>>>>> one of transportation.
>>>>
>>>> Quite so.
>>>>
>>>> Which is not to say that there is no value or usefulness at all in such
>>>> a lifestyle.  Small communities may well benefit from applying such an
>>>> organisational model at least to a degree, as may groups of farmers or
>>>> other independent craftsmen, tradesmen or small businesses.  Ditto
>>>> students, retired people or others groups with small incomes: sharing
>>>> resources equally within a small group may benefit all of them.
>>>
>>> The benefits are limited,
>>
>> The benefits to whom? The 'communists' or the wider society?
>
> Both.

Limited, but tangible for the groups themselves.  Many of my friends and 
several of my relatives, for instance, committed to a temporary version 
of such a system while at university.  They came together with others 
and committed to equally share the costs and benefits of common housing, 
common food, common communications (internet, telephone etc), common 
resources (tooth-paste etc).  To them, the benefits were clear and 
substantial -- as, arguably, they were for their parents and to society 
at large.  By and large, these arrangements worked very well, possibly 
because all parties were clear that this was temporary.


>
>>
>>> of short duration,
>>
>> The kibbutzim in Israel have lasted nearly 70 years. Hardly a short
>> duration.
>
> Nor are they pure communism.

Which is correct but a fairly pointless point to score.

All ideologies, whether political, religious or economic, are rooted in 
an *idea*.  They are all expressions of idealism.  We might as well 
criticise democracy because there is and cannot be a pure form of 
democracy as a political and social organisation outside very small 
groups.

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#2175457

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >
> > Am 18.09.2016 21:06, schrieb Attila <:
> > > On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 20:14:35 +0200, Thomas Heger<ttt_heg@web.de>  in
> > > alt.atheism with message-id<e483sgFlf63U1@mid.individual.net>  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Am 18.09.2016 08:24, schrieb Jeanne Douglas:
> > >>
> > >>>>  From the theoretical side Nazis had roots in certain ideologies and ideas.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The ideas stem from theoreticians like Arthur de Gobineau, who himself
> > >>>> based his ideas on Darwin.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> And Darwin was apparently supported by (British) aristocracy, the Guilds
> > >>>> and the bankers.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Apparently this was according to plan and to something called an 'agenda'.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> And this agenda had not begun in the 19th century, nor had it ended in
> > >>>> the 20th.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But apparently the Nazis and their wars were just a piece in a larger
> > >>>> puzzle.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It is now essential to identify this agenda, to prevent its perpetrators
> > >>>> from further destruction.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The method is called 'reverse engineering'. This means, that unknown
> > >>>> systems are reinvented from what is known about them.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> If simulation and real system behave somehow similar, the real system
> > >>>> can be modelled with a simulation. That would make it possible to find
> > >>>> out, who did what in these evil plans.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> And yet again you fail to provide even the slightest evidence that any
> > >>> of this had anything to do with Darwin.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Ok, actually I don't know, what Darwin had in mind.
> > >>
> > >> But Darwin as a person is not as interesting and of such political
> > >> importance as Naziism.
> > >>
> > >> TH
> > >
> > > Darwin is much more interesting and influential than a bunch of
> > > psychopaths.
> > >
> >
> > Darwinism is a central part of Naziism (the other is socialism).
> >
> > The English word for Naziism is 'Eugenics'.
> >
> > The head of the Eugenics society was Julian Huxley.
> >
> > Head of the Fabian socialists was Bertrand Russel.
> >
> > Aldous Huxley and Bertrand Russel were both members of the secret
> > society 'The apostles' of Cambridge, together with Ludwig Wittgenstein.
> >
> > This is interesting, since Wittgenstein was at the same school and of
> > the same age as Hitler and also gay.
> >
> > Most likely they have known each other and were 'friends'.
> >
> > Now Aldous Huxley and Adolf Hitler share this 'A. H.' initials.
> >
> > So kind of 'joke' would be possible, if a spy needs a false identity.
> >
> > The real identity of that spy was (in my eyes) Noel Trevenen Huxley. He
> > got a false beard and the hair painted.
> >
> > He started his training in Bavaria in the house of Isolde Beidler, who
> > was the daughter of Richard Wagner. (Hitler actually lived officially at
> > Prinzregentenplatz 16 in Munich.)
> >
> > The connection to Darwin was Thomas Huxley ('Darwins Bulldog'),
> > grandfather of the Huxley brothers.
> >
> > The connection to the Wagner family was Lord Redescale. This was the
> > real father of Clementine Hozier (Churchill's wife) and the grandfather
> > of Unity Midfort (Hitler's girlfriend).
> >
> > Son in Law of Richard Wagner was Houston Steward Chamberlain. He was the
> > 'hub' of Bavarian Naziism and allegedly the real author of 'My
> > Struggle'. Forewords to his pamphlet wrote said Lord Redescale, who also
> > paid for printing. He also translated the books into English.
> >
> > Then we have Marjorie Winifried Williams (aka Winifried Wagner), who was
> > a close friend of Adolf Hitler. Her husband was the gay son of Richard
> > Wagner. So we would need to search for a candidate for the fatherhood of
> > her kids.
> >
> > And we don't need to search very far, since e.g. Friedelind looks quite
> > similar to Winifried's friend.
> >
> > Lord Redescale was the owner of a gold-mine in Swastika, Canada. This
> > had as logo the real Nazi swastika (the inverted Hindu wheel of life),
> > what is actually a death symbol.
> >
> > Other hints to British involvement in the creation of Naziism are e.g.
> > the similarity between British uniforms in 2nd Boer War to those of the SA.
> >
> > There they have invented 'concentration camps'. The German word
> > 'Konzentrationslager' is now a (bad) literal translation of this word.
> >
> > In German you would say 'Sammellager'.
> >
> > 'To concentrate' means 'sammeln' in German. The German word
> > 'konzentrieren' is inappropriate, since it means something like 'think
> > hard about a certain subject' or ' make a chemical solution thicker'.
> >
> > To call 'herding people together' 'konzentrieren' comes from the
> > linguistic picture, which is used in the English language for the
> > activity of collecting (puling together). German uses a picture similar
> > to 'picking things up' (sammeln).
> >
> > In this circumstances I have found, that the book 'Mein Kampf' seems to
> > be a translation of an English script, created somewhere inside the
> > British Intelligence (possibly Chamberlain or the 'Tavistock Institute
> > for Human Relations').
> >
> > Also the so called Hitler diaries seem to be scripts, created by the
> > Tavistock Institute ('Scriptwriters of the Brave New World Order'),
> > since the books carry the sign. 'F.H.' (in Old English Gothic), which
> > could stand for 'Freud Hilton' and that for this institute.
> >
> > The other stream of support for Naziism stems from the collectivism
> > side, called 'socialism'. This had as main roots other British
> > aristocrats, especially Sir Bertrand Russel.
> >
> > It is certainly just coincidence, that the Lords of Tavistock have been
> > Russels and that Swastika in Canada is located in the county Tavistock.
> >
> > (Maybe it is also just coincidence that one of the 7/7 bombs went of at
> > Tavistock Square.)
> >
> > But socialism in total seems to originate in Britain and especially in
> > British aristocracy.
> >
> > So why in the world would British Lords promote socialism?
> >
> > Well, it's all about money and how to extract money from the people. And
> > that's what aristocrats are supposed to do. And it's about an 'elite',
> > who had to defend privileges against competition by non-appointed
> > 'capitalists'.
> >
> > Turning Europe upside down for this purpose was not their concern, as
> > long as Briton stays a monarchy.
> >
> > TH
> 
> i don't know too much about Germany history..
> i'm an American...
> they don't talk too much about that period..
> 
> but i do remember
> there was a east Berlin and
> west Berlin.
> 
> i think the east might have something to do with commies...
> 
> the people of Germany fought the commies because:
> 
> "A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of communism." karl marx
> 
> So, anybody who is on the commie side had to be killed.
> 
> Aldolf Hitler dies and you got the Wall.
> 
> He was just tryin to keep the commies away..
> 
> 'the spectre of communism'


The truth is...
and when I say "The Truth is"
it means the truth no one has ever told you
the truth is..
the reason they killed all the jewish people was because
they were all...communist.

Auschwitz was created to kill commies. It was in commie terroritory. All
those camps were in commie terriotity. 

It was a message to Russia..."Look at what we are doing to yous commies."



Here is another Truth...
Do you know why Israel kills babies in Palestine all the time??
Answer: They are afraid Jesus might come back in Palestine again.

The 'word' is out in Israel...kill Jesus Christ the second he tries to come back.
And the only way to do that is to kill all the babies in Palestine.

The first thing Israel does is kill all the Christians in Palestine.

For some reason that I don't understand...Israel thinks Jesus will return in
Palestine.

So, the order is..to kill all the babies in Palestine. 

A game of Whack-A-Mole if you ask me.


In Israel, there is a contract out on Jesus Christ...if you see him, shoot him.


I heard Jesus Christ used to hang out in Palestine a lot...I'm not sure why.


But He is not coming back in Brooklyn...

or Miami florida.

I don't know where Jesus was born at, but I bet they got Israeli soldiers there with
machine guns ready to kill any baby born there. 

If you're a woman living in Palestine, ...don't name your child Mary or Jesus.


There is a contract out on both of yous....

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#2175827

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> Here is another Truth...
> Do you know why Israel kills babies in Palestine all the time??
> Answer: They are afraid Jesus might come back in Palestine again.
> 
> The 'word' is out in Israel...kill Jesus Christ the second he tries to come back.
> And the only way to do that is to kill all the babies in Palestine.
> 
> The first thing Israel does is kill all the Christians in Palestine.
> 
> For some reason that I don't understand...Israel thinks Jesus will return in
> Palestine.
> 
> So, the order is..to kill all the babies in Palestine.
> 
> A game of Whack-A-Mole if you ask me.
> 
> In Israel, there is a contract out on Jesus Christ...if you see him, shoot him.
> 
> I heard Jesus Christ used to hang out in Palestine a lot...I'm not sure why.
> 
> But He is not coming back in Brooklyn...
> 
> or Miami florida.
> 
> I don't know where Jesus was born at, but I bet they got Israeli soldiers there with
> machine guns ready to kill any baby born there.
> 
> If you're a woman living in Palestine, ...don't name your child Mary or Jesus.
> 
> There is a contract out on both of yous....


It appears that some people believe Jesus Christ was born in Jerusalem.



"U.S. policy has long refrained from recognizing any nation’s sovereignty over Jerusalem."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article105236776.html


"A 2015 Supreme Court decision reaffirmed U.S. practice that forbids Americans born in Jerusalem to list Israel as their country of birth on passports."

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article105236776.html

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#2175842

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > Here is another Truth...
> > Do you know why Israel kills babies in Palestine all the time??
> > Answer: They are afraid Jesus might come back in Palestine again.
> >
> > The 'word' is out in Israel...kill Jesus Christ the second he tries to come back.
> > And the only way to do that is to kill all the babies in Palestine.
> >
> > The first thing Israel does is kill all the Christians in Palestine.
> >
> > For some reason that I don't understand...Israel thinks Jesus will return in
> > Palestine.
> >
> > So, the order is..to kill all the babies in Palestine.
> >
> > A game of Whack-A-Mole if you ask me.
> >
> > In Israel, there is a contract out on Jesus Christ...if you see him, shoot him.
> >
> > I heard Jesus Christ used to hang out in Palestine a lot...I'm not sure why.
> >
> > But He is not coming back in Brooklyn...
> >
> > or Miami florida.
> >
> > I don't know where Jesus was born at, but I bet they got Israeli soldiers there with
> > machine guns ready to kill any baby born there.
> >
> > If you're a woman living in Palestine, ...don't name your child Mary or Jesus.
> >
> > There is a contract out on both of yous....
> 
> It appears that some people believe Jesus Christ was born in Jerusalem.
> 
> "U.S. policy has long refrained from recognizing any nation’s sovereignty over Jerusalem."
> 
> http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article105236776.html
> 
> "A 2015 Supreme Court decision reaffirmed U.S. practice that forbids Americans born in Jerusalem to list Israel as their country of birth on passports."
> 
> http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article105236776.html


Now, I know what you're thinking...
you never heard that Israel has a contract out on Jesus Christ!

The United tates is trying to protect Jesus Christ from Israel.

It's gotten, political.

I'm not...political.

I don't live in Washington, D.C.

But the Truth is..


Israel has a contract on Jesus Christ. He shows up, He's dead!

Israel kills babies in Palestine because they believe that is where
Jesus Christ will return.

Israel is trying to prevent the return of Jesus Christ.

If you look at the Palestine before 1949, you will find
the population of Christians was much higher then
it is today. Israel killed all the Christians in Palestine.

A systemantic genocide of Christians in Palestine.

All the Israeli know they must kill Palestine babies...I'm sure they don't know Why.
They are probably are told that they will grow up to be terrorist or something like that...


just as the United States once told everyone to kill all the American Indians because they were saverages.


(you already know the truth about that)
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.activism/pZ-msR5CNpw/4HMPZ60IE0MJ




I know you haven't heard anywhere else that Israel has a contract on Jesus Christ, and they kill Palestine babies to
prevent His return. You won't read about that in the media or anywhere else in the world....Can you imagine if that got out???

The whole world would go against Israel, we certaintly cannot have that, can we?


The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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#2175997

On Sunday, October 2, 2016 at 1:41:58 AM UTC+8, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
> > 
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > Here is another Truth...
> > > Do you know why Israel kills babies in Palestine all the time??
> > > Answer: They are afraid Jesus might come back in Palestine again.
> > >
> > > The 'word' is out in Israel...kill Jesus Christ the second he tries to come back.
> > > And the only way to do that is to kill all the babies in Palestine.
> > >
> > > The first thing Israel does is kill all the Christians in Palestine.
> > >
> > > For some reason that I don't understand...Israel thinks Jesus will return in
> > > Palestine.
> > >
> > > So, the order is..to kill all the babies in Palestine.
> > >
> > > A game of Whack-A-Mole if you ask me.
> > >
> > > In Israel, there is a contract out on Jesus Christ...if you see him, shoot him.
> > >
> > > I heard Jesus Christ used to hang out in Palestine a lot...I'm not sure why.
> > >
> > > But He is not coming back in Brooklyn...
> > >
> > > or Miami florida.
> > >
> > > I don't know where Jesus was born at, but I bet they got Israeli soldiers there with
> > > machine guns ready to kill any baby born there.
> > >
> > > If you're a woman living in Palestine, ...don't name your child Mary or Jesus.
> > >
> > > There is a contract out on both of yous....
> > 
> > It appears that some people believe Jesus Christ was born in Jerusalem.
> > 
> > "U.S. policy has long refrained from recognizing any nation’s sovereignty over Jerusalem."
> > 
> > http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article105236776.html
> > 
> > "A 2015 Supreme Court decision reaffirmed U.S. practice that forbids Americans born in Jerusalem to list Israel as their country of birth on passports."
> > 
> > http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/article105236776.html
> 
> 
> Now, I know what you're thinking...
> you never heard that Israel has a contract out on Jesus Christ!
> 
> The United tates is trying to protect Jesus Christ from Israel.
> 
> It's gotten, political.
> 
> I'm not...political.
> 
> I don't live in Washington, D.C.
> 
> But the Truth is..
> 
> 
> Israel has a contract on Jesus Christ. He shows up, He's dead!
> 
> Israel kills babies in Palestine because they believe that is where
> Jesus Christ will return.
> 
> Israel is trying to prevent the return of Jesus Christ.
> 
> If you look at the Palestine before 1949, you will find
> the population of Christians was much higher then
> it is today. Israel killed all the Christians in Palestine.
> 
> A systemantic genocide of Christians in Palestine.
> 
> All the Israeli know they must kill Palestine babies...I'm sure they don't know Why.
> They are probably are told that they will grow up to be terrorist or something like that...
> 
> 
> just as the United States once told everyone to kill all the American Indians because they were saverages.
> 
> 
> (you already know the truth about that)
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!original/alt.activism/pZ-msR5CNpw/4HMPZ60IE0MJ
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I know you haven't heard anywhere else that Israel has a contract on Jesus Christ, and they kill Palestine babies to
> prevent His return. You won't read about that in the media or anywhere else in the world....Can you imagine if that got out???
> 
> The whole world would go against Israel, we certaintly cannot have that, can we?
> 
> 
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
>  to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, and challenge
>  the unchallengeable.

Pants of Starmaker is on huge fire.....

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#2175274

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 06:33:29 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> in
alt.atheism with message-id <e56891FsschU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Am 18.09.2016 21:06, schrieb Attila <:
>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 20:14:35 +0200, Thomas Heger<ttt_heg@web.de>  in
>> alt.atheism with message-id<e483sgFlf63U1@mid.individual.net>  wrote:
>>
>>> Am 18.09.2016 08:24, schrieb Jeanne Douglas:
>>>
>>>>>  From the theoretical side Nazis had roots in certain ideologies and ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> The ideas stem from theoreticians like Arthur de Gobineau, who himself
>>>>> based his ideas on Darwin.
>>>>>
>>>>> And Darwin was apparently supported by (British) aristocracy, the Guilds
>>>>> and the bankers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently this was according to plan and to something called an 'agenda'.
>>>>>
>>>>> And this agenda had not begun in the 19th century, nor had it ended in
>>>>> the 20th.
>>>>>
>>>>> But apparently the Nazis and their wars were just a piece in a larger
>>>>> puzzle.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is now essential to identify this agenda, to prevent its perpetrators
>>>>> from further destruction.
>>>>>
>>>>> The method is called 'reverse engineering'. This means, that unknown
>>>>> systems are reinvented from what is known about them.
>>>>>
>>>>> If simulation and real system behave somehow similar, the real system
>>>>> can be modelled with a simulation. That would make it possible to find
>>>>> out, who did what in these evil plans.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And yet again you fail to provide even the slightest evidence that any
>>>> of this had anything to do with Darwin.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ok, actually I don't know, what Darwin had in mind.
>>>
>>> But Darwin as a person is not as interesting and of such political
>>> importance as Naziism.
>>>
>>> TH
>>
>> Darwin is much more interesting and influential than a bunch of
>> psychopaths.
>>
>
>Darwinism is a central part of Naziism (the other is socialism).
>
>The English word for Naziism is 'Eugenics'.

No, it isn't.

>
>The head of the Eugenics society was Julian Huxley.
>
>Head of the Fabian socialists was Bertrand Russel.
>
>Aldous Huxley and Bertrand Russel were both members of the secret 
>society 'The apostles' of Cambridge, together with Ludwig Wittgenstein.
>
>This is interesting, since Wittgenstein was at the same school and of 
>the same age as Hitler and also gay.
>
>Most likely they have known each other and were 'friends'.
>
>Now Aldous Huxley and Adolf Hitler share this 'A. H.' initials.
>
>So kind of 'joke' would be possible, if a spy needs a false identity.
>
>The real identity of that spy was (in my eyes) Noel Trevenen Huxley. He 
>got a false beard and the hair painted.
>
>He started his training in Bavaria in the house of Isolde Beidler, who 
>was the daughter of Richard Wagner. (Hitler actually lived officially at 
>Prinzregentenplatz 16 in Munich.)
>
>The connection to Darwin was Thomas Huxley ('Darwins Bulldog'), 
>grandfather of the Huxley brothers.
>
>The connection to the Wagner family was Lord Redescale. This was the 
>real father of Clementine Hozier (Churchill's wife) and the grandfather 
>of Unity Midfort (Hitler's girlfriend).
>
>Son in Law of Richard Wagner was Houston Steward Chamberlain. He was the 
>'hub' of Bavarian Naziism and allegedly the real author of 'My 
>Struggle'. Forewords to his pamphlet wrote said Lord Redescale, who also 
>paid for printing. He also translated the books into English.
>
>Then we have Marjorie Winifried Williams (aka Winifried Wagner), who was 
>a close friend of Adolf Hitler. Her husband was the gay son of Richard 
>Wagner. So we would need to search for a candidate for the fatherhood of 
>her kids.
>
>And we don't need to search very far, since e.g. Friedelind looks quite 
>similar to Winifried's friend.
>
>Lord Redescale was the owner of a gold-mine in Swastika, Canada. This 
>had as logo the real Nazi swastika (the inverted Hindu wheel of life), 
>what is actually a death symbol.
>
>Other hints to British involvement in the creation of Naziism are e.g. 
>the similarity between British uniforms in 2nd Boer War to those of the SA.
>
>There they have invented 'concentration camps'. The German word 
>'Konzentrationslager' is now a (bad) literal translation of this word.
>
>In German you would say 'Sammellager'.
>
>'To concentrate' means 'sammeln' in German. The German word 
>'konzentrieren' is inappropriate, since it means something like 'think 
>hard about a certain subject' or ' make a chemical solution thicker'.
>
>To call 'herding people together' 'konzentrieren' comes from the 
>linguistic picture, which is used in the English language for the 
>activity of collecting (puling together). German uses a picture similar 
>to 'picking things up' (sammeln).
>
>In this circumstances I have found, that the book 'Mein Kampf' seems to 
>be a translation of an English script, created somewhere inside the 
>British Intelligence (possibly Chamberlain or the 'Tavistock Institute 
>for Human Relations').
>
>Also the so called Hitler diaries seem to be scripts, created by the 
>Tavistock Institute ('Scriptwriters of the Brave New World Order'), 
>since the books carry the sign. 'F.H.' (in Old English Gothic), which 
>could stand for 'Freud Hilton' and that for this institute.
>
>The other stream of support for Naziism stems from the collectivism 
>side, called 'socialism'. This had as main roots other British 
>aristocrats, especially Sir Bertrand Russel.
>
>It is certainly just coincidence, that the Lords of Tavistock have been 
>Russels and that Swastika in Canada is located in the county Tavistock.
>
>(Maybe it is also just coincidence that one of the 7/7 bombs went of at 
>Tavistock Square.)
>
>But socialism in total seems to originate in Britain and especially in 
>British aristocracy.
>
>So why in the world would British Lords promote socialism?
>
>Well, it's all about money and how to extract money from the people. And 
>that's what aristocrats are supposed to do. And it's about an 'elite', 
>who had to defend privileges against competition by non-appointed 
>'capitalists'.
>
>Turning Europe upside down for this purpose was not their concern, as 
>long as Briton stays a monarchy.
>
>
>TH
>

You find one under every rock don't you?

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor OBastard.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
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#2175277

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 02:54:49 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now>
wrote:

>On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 06:33:29 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> in
>alt.atheism with message-id <e56891FsschU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>>Am 18.09.2016 21:06, schrieb Attila <:
>>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 20:14:35 +0200, Thomas Heger<ttt_heg@web.de>  in
>>> alt.atheism with message-id<e483sgFlf63U1@mid.individual.net>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 18.09.2016 08:24, schrieb Jeanne Douglas:
>>>>
>>>>>>  From the theoretical side Nazis had roots in certain ideologies and ideas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ideas stem from theoreticians like Arthur de Gobineau, who himself
>>>>>> based his ideas on Darwin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And Darwin was apparently supported by (British) aristocracy, the Guilds
>>>>>> and the bankers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently this was according to plan and to something called an 'agenda'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And this agenda had not begun in the 19th century, nor had it ended in
>>>>>> the 20th.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But apparently the Nazis and their wars were just a piece in a larger
>>>>>> puzzle.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is now essential to identify this agenda, to prevent its perpetrators
>>>>>> from further destruction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The method is called 'reverse engineering'. This means, that unknown
>>>>>> systems are reinvented from what is known about them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If simulation and real system behave somehow similar, the real system
>>>>>> can be modelled with a simulation. That would make it possible to find
>>>>>> out, who did what in these evil plans.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet again you fail to provide even the slightest evidence that any
>>>>> of this had anything to do with Darwin.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ok, actually I don't know, what Darwin had in mind.
>>>>
>>>> But Darwin as a person is not as interesting and of such political
>>>> importance as Naziism.
>>>>
>>>> TH
>>>
>>> Darwin is much more interesting and influential than a bunch of
>>> psychopaths.
>>>
>>
>>Darwinism is a central part of Naziism (the other is socialism).
>>
>>The English word for Naziism is 'Eugenics'.
>
>No, it isn't.
>
>>
>>The head of the Eugenics society was Julian Huxley.
>>
>>Head of the Fabian socialists was Bertrand Russel.
>>
>>Aldous Huxley and Bertrand Russel were both members of the secret 
>>society 'The apostles' of Cambridge, together with Ludwig Wittgenstein.
>>
>>This is interesting, since Wittgenstein was at the same school and of 
>>the same age as Hitler and also gay.
>>
>>Most likely they have known each other and were 'friends'.
>>
>>Now Aldous Huxley and Adolf Hitler share this 'A. H.' initials.
>>
>>So kind of 'joke' would be possible, if a spy needs a false identity.
>>
>>The real identity of that spy was (in my eyes) Noel Trevenen Huxley. He 
>>got a false beard and the hair painted.
>>
>>He started his training in Bavaria in the house of Isolde Beidler, who 
>>was the daughter of Richard Wagner. (Hitler actually lived officially at 
>>Prinzregentenplatz 16 in Munich.)
>>
>>The connection to Darwin was Thomas Huxley ('Darwins Bulldog'), 
>>grandfather of the Huxley brothers.
>>
>>The connection to the Wagner family was Lord Redescale. This was the 
>>real father of Clementine Hozier (Churchill's wife) and the grandfather 
>>of Unity Midfort (Hitler's girlfriend).
>>
>>Son in Law of Richard Wagner was Houston Steward Chamberlain. He was the 
>>'hub' of Bavarian Naziism and allegedly the real author of 'My 
>>Struggle'. Forewords to his pamphlet wrote said Lord Redescale, who also 
>>paid for printing. He also translated the books into English.
>>
>>Then we have Marjorie Winifried Williams (aka Winifried Wagner), who was 
>>a close friend of Adolf Hitler. Her husband was the gay son of Richard 
>>Wagner. So we would need to search for a candidate for the fatherhood of 
>>her kids.
>>
>>And we don't need to search very far, since e.g. Friedelind looks quite 
>>similar to Winifried's friend.
>>
>>Lord Redescale was the owner of a gold-mine in Swastika, Canada. This 
>>had as logo the real Nazi swastika (the inverted Hindu wheel of life), 
>>what is actually a death symbol.
>>
>>Other hints to British involvement in the creation of Naziism are e.g. 
>>the similarity between British uniforms in 2nd Boer War to those of the SA.
>>
>>There they have invented 'concentration camps'. The German word 
>>'Konzentrationslager' is now a (bad) literal translation of this word.
>>
>>In German you would say 'Sammellager'.
>>
>>'To concentrate' means 'sammeln' in German. The German word 
>>'konzentrieren' is inappropriate, since it means something like 'think 
>>hard about a certain subject' or ' make a chemical solution thicker'.
>>
>>To call 'herding people together' 'konzentrieren' comes from the 
>>linguistic picture, which is used in the English language for the 
>>activity of collecting (puling together). German uses a picture similar 
>>to 'picking things up' (sammeln).
>>
>>In this circumstances I have found, that the book 'Mein Kampf' seems to 
>>be a translation of an English script, created somewhere inside the 
>>British Intelligence (possibly Chamberlain or the 'Tavistock Institute 
>>for Human Relations').
>>
>>Also the so called Hitler diaries seem to be scripts, created by the 
>>Tavistock Institute ('Scriptwriters of the Brave New World Order'), 
>>since the books carry the sign. 'F.H.' (in Old English Gothic), which 
>>could stand for 'Freud Hilton' and that for this institute.
>>
>>The other stream of support for Naziism stems from the collectivism 
>>side, called 'socialism'. This had as main roots other British 
>>aristocrats, especially Sir Bertrand Russel.
>>
>>It is certainly just coincidence, that the Lords of Tavistock have been 
>>Russels and that Swastika in Canada is located in the county Tavistock.
>>
>>(Maybe it is also just coincidence that one of the 7/7 bombs went of at 
>>Tavistock Square.)
>>
>>But socialism in total seems to originate in Britain and especially in 
>>British aristocracy.
>>
>>So why in the world would British Lords promote socialism?
>>
>>Well, it's all about money and how to extract money from the people. And 
>>that's what aristocrats are supposed to do. And it's about an 'elite', 
>>who had to defend privileges against competition by non-appointed 
>>'capitalists'.
>>
>>Turning Europe upside down for this purpose was not their concern, as 
>>long as Briton stays a monarchy.
>>
>>
>>TH
>>
>
>You find one under every rock don't you?

He's insane.

And none of his lies are relevant in any of the groups where he posted
them.

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#2175445

Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 02:54:49 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now>
> wrote:
> 
> >On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 06:33:29 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> in
> >alt.atheism with message-id <e56891FsschU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Am 18.09.2016 21:06, schrieb Attila <:
> >>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 20:14:35 +0200, Thomas Heger<ttt_heg@web.de>  in
> >>> alt.atheism with message-id<e483sgFlf63U1@mid.individual.net>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Am 18.09.2016 08:24, schrieb Jeanne Douglas:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>  From the theoretical side Nazis had roots in certain ideologies and ideas.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The ideas stem from theoreticians like Arthur de Gobineau, who himself
> >>>>>> based his ideas on Darwin.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And Darwin was apparently supported by (British) aristocracy, the Guilds
> >>>>>> and the bankers.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Apparently this was according to plan and to something called an 'agenda'.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And this agenda had not begun in the 19th century, nor had it ended in
> >>>>>> the 20th.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But apparently the Nazis and their wars were just a piece in a larger
> >>>>>> puzzle.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It is now essential to identify this agenda, to prevent its perpetrators
> >>>>>> from further destruction.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The method is called 'reverse engineering'. This means, that unknown
> >>>>>> systems are reinvented from what is known about them.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If simulation and real system behave somehow similar, the real system
> >>>>>> can be modelled with a simulation. That would make it possible to find
> >>>>>> out, who did what in these evil plans.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And yet again you fail to provide even the slightest evidence that any
> >>>>> of this had anything to do with Darwin.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ok, actually I don't know, what Darwin had in mind.
> >>>>
> >>>> But Darwin as a person is not as interesting and of such political
> >>>> importance as Naziism.
> >>>>
> >>>> TH
> >>>
> >>> Darwin is much more interesting and influential than a bunch of
> >>> psychopaths.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Darwinism is a central part of Naziism (the other is socialism).
> >>
> >>The English word for Naziism is 'Eugenics'.
> >
> >No, it isn't.
> >
> >>
> >>The head of the Eugenics society was Julian Huxley.
> >>
> >>Head of the Fabian socialists was Bertrand Russel.
> >>
> >>Aldous Huxley and Bertrand Russel were both members of the secret
> >>society 'The apostles' of Cambridge, together with Ludwig Wittgenstein.
> >>
> >>This is interesting, since Wittgenstein was at the same school and of
> >>the same age as Hitler and also gay.
> >>
> >>Most likely they have known each other and were 'friends'.
> >>
> >>Now Aldous Huxley and Adolf Hitler share this 'A. H.' initials.
> >>
> >>So kind of 'joke' would be possible, if a spy needs a false identity.
> >>
> >>The real identity of that spy was (in my eyes) Noel Trevenen Huxley. He
> >>got a false beard and the hair painted.
> >>
> >>He started his training in Bavaria in the house of Isolde Beidler, who
> >>was the daughter of Richard Wagner. (Hitler actually lived officially at
> >>Prinzregentenplatz 16 in Munich.)
> >>
> >>The connection to Darwin was Thomas Huxley ('Darwins Bulldog'),
> >>grandfather of the Huxley brothers.
> >>
> >>The connection to the Wagner family was Lord Redescale. This was the
> >>real father of Clementine Hozier (Churchill's wife) and the grandfather
> >>of Unity Midfort (Hitler's girlfriend).
> >>
> >>Son in Law of Richard Wagner was Houston Steward Chamberlain. He was the
> >>'hub' of Bavarian Naziism and allegedly the real author of 'My
> >>Struggle'. Forewords to his pamphlet wrote said Lord Redescale, who also
> >>paid for printing. He also translated the books into English.
> >>
> >>Then we have Marjorie Winifried Williams (aka Winifried Wagner), who was
> >>a close friend of Adolf Hitler. Her husband was the gay son of Richard
> >>Wagner. So we would need to search for a candidate for the fatherhood of
> >>her kids.
> >>
> >>And we don't need to search very far, since e.g. Friedelind looks quite
> >>similar to Winifried's friend.
> >>
> >>Lord Redescale was the owner of a gold-mine in Swastika, Canada. This
> >>had as logo the real Nazi swastika (the inverted Hindu wheel of life),
> >>what is actually a death symbol.
> >>
> >>Other hints to British involvement in the creation of Naziism are e.g.
> >>the similarity between British uniforms in 2nd Boer War to those of the SA.
> >>
> >>There they have invented 'concentration camps'. The German word
> >>'Konzentrationslager' is now a (bad) literal translation of this word.
> >>
> >>In German you would say 'Sammellager'.
> >>
> >>'To concentrate' means 'sammeln' in German. The German word
> >>'konzentrieren' is inappropriate, since it means something like 'think
> >>hard about a certain subject' or ' make a chemical solution thicker'.
> >>
> >>To call 'herding people together' 'konzentrieren' comes from the
> >>linguistic picture, which is used in the English language for the
> >>activity of collecting (puling together). German uses a picture similar
> >>to 'picking things up' (sammeln).
> >>
> >>In this circumstances I have found, that the book 'Mein Kampf' seems to
> >>be a translation of an English script, created somewhere inside the
> >>British Intelligence (possibly Chamberlain or the 'Tavistock Institute
> >>for Human Relations').
> >>
> >>Also the so called Hitler diaries seem to be scripts, created by the
> >>Tavistock Institute ('Scriptwriters of the Brave New World Order'),
> >>since the books carry the sign. 'F.H.' (in Old English Gothic), which
> >>could stand for 'Freud Hilton' and that for this institute.
> >>
> >>The other stream of support for Naziism stems from the collectivism
> >>side, called 'socialism'. This had as main roots other British
> >>aristocrats, especially Sir Bertrand Russel.
> >>
> >>It is certainly just coincidence, that the Lords of Tavistock have been
> >>Russels and that Swastika in Canada is located in the county Tavistock.
> >>
> >>(Maybe it is also just coincidence that one of the 7/7 bombs went of at
> >>Tavistock Square.)
> >>
> >>But socialism in total seems to originate in Britain and especially in
> >>British aristocracy.
> >>
> >>So why in the world would British Lords promote socialism?
> >>
> >>Well, it's all about money and how to extract money from the people. And
> >>that's what aristocrats are supposed to do. And it's about an 'elite',
> >>who had to defend privileges against competition by non-appointed
> >>'capitalists'.
> >>
> >>Turning Europe upside down for this purpose was not their concern, as
> >>long as Briton stays a monarchy.
> >>
> >>
> >>TH
> >>
> >
> >You find one under every rock don't you?
> 
> He's insane.
> 
> And none of his lies are relevant in any of the groups where he posted
> them.



sez the witch...i bet you got a wart on your nose...i mean big nose..i
mean a wart on your big nose..i mean a big wart on your nose..i mean

pants on fire too.

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#2175461

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 11:17:08 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>> 
>> On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 02:54:49 -0400, Attila <<prochoice@here.now>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 06:33:29 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> in
>> >alt.atheism with message-id <e56891FsschU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Am 18.09.2016 21:06, schrieb Attila <:
>> >>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2016 20:14:35 +0200, Thomas Heger<ttt_heg@web.de>  in
>> >>> alt.atheism with message-id<e483sgFlf63U1@mid.individual.net>  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Am 18.09.2016 08:24, schrieb Jeanne Douglas:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>  From the theoretical side Nazis had roots in certain ideologies and ideas.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The ideas stem from theoreticians like Arthur de Gobineau, who himself
>> >>>>>> based his ideas on Darwin.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> And Darwin was apparently supported by (British) aristocracy, the Guilds
>> >>>>>> and the bankers.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Apparently this was according to plan and to something called an 'agenda'.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> And this agenda had not begun in the 19th century, nor had it ended in
>> >>>>>> the 20th.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> But apparently the Nazis and their wars were just a piece in a larger
>> >>>>>> puzzle.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> It is now essential to identify this agenda, to prevent its perpetrators
>> >>>>>> from further destruction.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The method is called 'reverse engineering'. This means, that unknown
>> >>>>>> systems are reinvented from what is known about them.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> If simulation and real system behave somehow similar, the real system
>> >>>>>> can be modelled with a simulation. That would make it possible to find
>> >>>>>> out, who did what in these evil plans.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> And yet again you fail to provide even the slightest evidence that any
>> >>>>> of this had anything to do with Darwin.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ok, actually I don't know, what Darwin had in mind.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> But Darwin as a person is not as interesting and of such political
>> >>>> importance as Naziism.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> TH
>> >>>
>> >>> Darwin is much more interesting and influential than a bunch of
>> >>> psychopaths.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>Darwinism is a central part of Naziism (the other is socialism).
>> >>
>> >>The English word for Naziism is 'Eugenics'.
>> >
>> >No, it isn't.
>> >
>> >>
>> >>The head of the Eugenics society was Julian Huxley.
>> >>
>> >>Head of the Fabian socialists was Bertrand Russel.
>> >>
>> >>Aldous Huxley and Bertrand Russel were both members of the secret
>> >>society 'The apostles' of Cambridge, together with Ludwig Wittgenstein.
>> >>
>> >>This is interesting, since Wittgenstein was at the same school and of
>> >>the same age as Hitler and also gay.
>> >>
>> >>Most likely they have known each other and were 'friends'.
>> >>
>> >>Now Aldous Huxley and Adolf Hitler share this 'A. H.' initials.
>> >>
>> >>So kind of 'joke' would be possible, if a spy needs a false identity.
>> >>
>> >>The real identity of that spy was (in my eyes) Noel Trevenen Huxley. He
>> >>got a false beard and the hair painted.
>> >>
>> >>He started his training in Bavaria in the house of Isolde Beidler, who
>> >>was the daughter of Richard Wagner. (Hitler actually lived officially at
>> >>Prinzregentenplatz 16 in Munich.)
>> >>
>> >>The connection to Darwin was Thomas Huxley ('Darwins Bulldog'),
>> >>grandfather of the Huxley brothers.
>> >>
>> >>The connection to the Wagner family was Lord Redescale. This was the
>> >>real father of Clementine Hozier (Churchill's wife) and the grandfather
>> >>of Unity Midfort (Hitler's girlfriend).
>> >>
>> >>Son in Law of Richard Wagner was Houston Steward Chamberlain. He was the
>> >>'hub' of Bavarian Naziism and allegedly the real author of 'My
>> >>Struggle'. Forewords to his pamphlet wrote said Lord Redescale, who also
>> >>paid for printing. He also translated the books into English.
>> >>
>> >>Then we have Marjorie Winifried Williams (aka Winifried Wagner), who was
>> >>a close friend of Adolf Hitler. Her husband was the gay son of Richard
>> >>Wagner. So we would need to search for a candidate for the fatherhood of
>> >>her kids.
>> >>
>> >>And we don't need to search very far, since e.g. Friedelind looks quite
>> >>similar to Winifried's friend.
>> >>
>> >>Lord Redescale was the owner of a gold-mine in Swastika, Canada. This
>> >>had as logo the real Nazi swastika (the inverted Hindu wheel of life),
>> >>what is actually a death symbol.
>> >>
>> >>Other hints to British involvement in the creation of Naziism are e.g.
>> >>the similarity between British uniforms in 2nd Boer War to those of the SA.
>> >>
>> >>There they have invented 'concentration camps'. The German word
>> >>'Konzentrationslager' is now a (bad) literal translation of this word.
>> >>
>> >>In German you would say 'Sammellager'.
>> >>
>> >>'To concentrate' means 'sammeln' in German. The German word
>> >>'konzentrieren' is inappropriate, since it means something like 'think
>> >>hard about a certain subject' or ' make a chemical solution thicker'.
>> >>
>> >>To call 'herding people together' 'konzentrieren' comes from the
>> >>linguistic picture, which is used in the English language for the
>> >>activity of collecting (puling together). German uses a picture similar
>> >>to 'picking things up' (sammeln).
>> >>
>> >>In this circumstances I have found, that the book 'Mein Kampf' seems to
>> >>be a translation of an English script, created somewhere inside the
>> >>British Intelligence (possibly Chamberlain or the 'Tavistock Institute
>> >>for Human Relations').
>> >>
>> >>Also the so called Hitler diaries seem to be scripts, created by the
>> >>Tavistock Institute ('Scriptwriters of the Brave New World Order'),
>> >>since the books carry the sign. 'F.H.' (in Old English Gothic), which
>> >>could stand for 'Freud Hilton' and that for this institute.
>> >>
>> >>The other stream of support for Naziism stems from the collectivism
>> >>side, called 'socialism'. This had as main roots other British
>> >>aristocrats, especially Sir Bertrand Russel.
>> >>
>> >>It is certainly just coincidence, that the Lords of Tavistock have been
>> >>Russels and that Swastika in Canada is located in the county Tavistock.
>> >>
>> >>(Maybe it is also just coincidence that one of the 7/7 bombs went of at
>> >>Tavistock Square.)
>> >>
>> >>But socialism in total seems to originate in Britain and especially in
>> >>British aristocracy.
>> >>
>> >>So why in the world would British Lords promote socialism?
>> >>
>> >>Well, it's all about money and how to extract money from the people. And
>> >>that's what aristocrats are supposed to do. And it's about an 'elite',
>> >>who had to defend privileges against competition by non-appointed
>> >>'capitalists'.
>> >>
>> >>Turning Europe upside down for this purpose was not their concern, as
>> >>long as Briton stays a monarchy.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>TH
>> >>
>> >
>> >You find one under every rock don't you?
>> 
>> He's insane.
>> 
>> And none of his lies are relevant in any of the groups where he posted
>> them.
>
>
>
>sez the witch...i bet you got a wart on your nose...i mean big nose..i
>mean a wart on your big nose..i mean a big wart on your nose..i mean
>
>pants on fire too.

And you're just as mentally ill.

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#2175628

On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 11:17:08 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<57EEAC24.54AF@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>> He's insane.
>> 
>> And none of his lies are relevant in any of the groups where he posted
>> them.
>
>
>
>sez the witch...i bet you got a wart on your nose...i mean big nose..i
>mean a wart on your big nose..i mean a big wart on your nose..i mean
>
>pants on fire too.

Quite the intellectual isn't he?

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Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor OBastard.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
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#2175682

Am 30.09.2016 08:54, schrieb Attila <:

>>>> But Darwin as a person is not as interesting and of such political
>>>> importance as Naziism.
>>>>
>>>> TH
>>>
>>> Darwin is much more interesting and influential than a bunch of
>>> psychopaths.
>>>
>>
>> Darwinism is a central part of Naziism (the other is socialism).
>>
>> The English word for Naziism is 'Eugenics'.
>
> No, it isn't.

Well, actually you are correct.

'Nazi' is an abbreviation for 'National Socialist'.

This stems from German and was meant as opposition to 'Sozi'.

'Sozi' stems from 'Sozialdemokrat' (social democrat).

SPD (Sozis) had fought their enemies (Nazis) in the streets of Berlin in 
the 1920th.

Finally the Nazis had won (with a little help from Wall Street).

Anyhow..

The Nazi-party had the real Name 'Nationalsozialistische Arbeiter Partei 
Deutschland' (national-socialist workers party of Germany).

They were actually not very nationalistic, but 'race-chauvinistic'.

The idea of 'Aryans' came from French Count August de Gobineau, who 
wrote a race-chauvinistic manifesto.

This was supported by the British author Houston Steward Chamberlain, 
son in Law of an Italian baroness.

Till then there were no Germans involved, till Hitler came (Austrian) 
and Henry Ford (author of 'The International Jew').

Hitler's girlfriend was English again (Unity Midfort).

So these guys were everything else but German nationalists.

They were elitists, racists and internationalists.

Their agenda was nothing in support of the country Germany or the 
workers there. These were in both cases just 'cannon fodder'.

And definitely they were not workers.

What they had in mind was 'collectivism' (=Socialism).

The idea behind collectivism is, that the state could try to create a 
'super-human', if all the people unite into one single entity, which 
thinks and acts like one being (the SUPERMAN).

This did work somehow, but caused unwanted effects (like genocide, war, 
theft of colossal proportions, invasions and a few other).

So collectivism did not work, nor did actually racism.

'Racism'  is in fact based on Darwin's flawed concept of evolution, 
because the 'cleaners of the race' (Eugenics) tried to enhance the power 
of the collective, by eliminating unwanted members of the society.

They believed, that races emerge in a few centuries and therefore 
killing sick people would make the rest fitter in case of reproduction.

This is somehow possible, but only if you believe in Lamarkism, which 
states, that acquired features could be inherited.

But Darwin said, this is not possible. So only the genes decide, who 
someone is or could become (what is wrong!). So killing unfit people 
would strengthen the 'race'.

Only this is evil blunder from beginning to end.


TH

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#2175711

On Sat, 01 Oct 2016 08:52:38 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> in
alt.atheism with message-id <e594ppFj81dU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Am 30.09.2016 08:54, schrieb Attila <:
>
>>>>> But Darwin as a person is not as interesting and of such political
>>>>> importance as Naziism.
>>>>>
>>>>> TH
>>>>
>>>> Darwin is much more interesting and influential than a bunch of
>>>> psychopaths.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Darwinism is a central part of Naziism (the other is socialism).
>>>
>>> The English word for Naziism is 'Eugenics'.
>>
>> No, it isn't.
>
>Well, actually you are correct.

Then why did you say it?

>
>'Nazi' is an abbreviation for 'National Socialist'.

National German Socialist Workers Party.

Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei

>
>This stems from German and was meant as opposition to 'Sozi'.
>
>'Sozi' stems from 'Sozialdemokrat' (social democrat).
>
>SPD (Sozis) had fought their enemies (Nazis) in the streets of Berlin in 
>the 1920th.
>
>Finally the Nazis had won (with a little help from Wall Street).

I doubt "Wall Street" was even aware of them.  Whatever "Wall Street"
is.

>
>Anyhow..
>
>The Nazi-party had the real Name 'Nationalsozialistische Arbeiter Partei 
>Deutschland' (national-socialist workers party of Germany).
>
>They were actually not very nationalistic, but 'race-chauvinistic'.
>
>The idea of 'Aryans' came from French Count August de Gobineau, who 
>wrote a race-chauvinistic manifesto.
>
>This was supported by the British author Houston Steward Chamberlain, 
>son in Law of an Italian baroness.
>
>Till then there were no Germans involved, till Hitler came (Austrian) 
>and Henry Ford (author of 'The International Jew').
>
>Hitler's girlfriend was English again (Unity Midfort).
>
>So these guys were everything else but German nationalists.
>
>They were elitists, racists and internationalists.
>
>Their agenda was nothing in support of the country Germany or the 
>workers there. These were in both cases just 'cannon fodder'.
>
>And definitely they were not workers.
>
>What they had in mind was 'collectivism' (=Socialism).
>
>The idea behind collectivism is, that the state could try to create a 
>'super-human', if all the people unite into one single entity, which 
>thinks and acts like one being (the SUPERMAN).
>
>This did work somehow, but caused unwanted effects (like genocide, war, 
>theft of colossal proportions, invasions and a few other).
>
>So collectivism did not work, nor did actually racism.
>
>'Racism'  is in fact based on Darwin's flawed concept of evolution, 
>because the 'cleaners of the race' (Eugenics) tried to enhance the power 
>of the collective, by eliminating unwanted members of the society.
>
>They believed, that races emerge in a few centuries and therefore 
>killing sick people would make the rest fitter in case of reproduction.
>
>This is somehow possible, but only if you believe in Lamarkism, which 
>states, that acquired features could be inherited.
>
>But Darwin said, this is not possible. So only the genes decide, who 
>someone is or could become (what is wrong!). So killing unfit people 
>would strengthen the 'race'.
>
>Only this is evil blunder from beginning to end.
>
>
>TH

I am not bothering with that rambling Conspiracy Theory nonsense.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor OBastard.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#2176059

Am 01.10.2016 11:00, schrieb Attila <:

>>>>>> But Darwin as a person is not as interesting and of such political
>>>>>> importance as Naziism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> TH
>>>>>
>>>>> Darwin is much more interesting and influential than a bunch of
>>>>> psychopaths.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Darwinism is a central part of Naziism (the other is socialism).
>>>>
>>>> The English word for Naziism is 'Eugenics'.
>>>
>>> No, it isn't.
>>
>> Well, actually you are correct.
>
> Then why did you say it?


It is not the same thing, but has actually the same concept:

racism, meant as alleged of superiority of the white settlers.

(which 'allowed' them to rape, plunder and kill)

>>
>> 'Nazi' is an abbreviation for 'National Socialist'.
>
> National German Socialist Workers Party.


The party itself was not called 'Nazi'.

'Nazi' was the nickname for the followers of the Nazi-movement.

Since the party 'NSDAP' did not take everybody, who wanted to, the 
party-members were the 'elite' of the Nazis.

But a lot of other supporters were also called 'Nazis', like the members 
of the 'SS', 'SA', 'BDM' or 'HJ'.


>>
>> This stems from German and was meant as opposition to 'Sozi'.
>>
>> 'Sozi' stems from 'Sozialdemokrat' (social democrat).
>>
>> SPD (Sozis) had fought their enemies (Nazis) in the streets of Berlin in
>> the 1920th.
>>
>> Finally the Nazis had won (with a little help from Wall Street).
>
> I doubt "Wall Street" was even aware of them.  Whatever "Wall Street"
> is.
Look at 'Anthony Suton, "Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler"'

Naziism had also roots in Italy, England, Canada and in the USA.

Forerunners of the German Nazi movement were the so called 'Silver 
shirts' of the USA and the black-shirts of Italy.

In the USA we had also the 'Kuhn party' and several other racists groups.

The so called 'Hitler salute' was actually derived from the 'pledge of 
allegiance' in US schools, which was invented by the US socialists 
Francis and Edward Bellamy.

'Hitler Youth' seems to be a carbon copy of the Boy Scouts and the SA 
uniforms look like derived from British uniforms in the 2nd Boer war.

Btw: 'fascism' comes from 'fasces' and those are these things, where 
Abraham Lincoln rests his arms on in Lincoln Memorial.

'Fascism'  as political system is the mixture of political power with 
oligarchal capitalism as privatised dictatorship (='corporatism').



TH

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#2176069

On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 07:39:59 +0200, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> in
alt.atheism with message-id <e5bktjF72cgU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:

>Am 01.10.2016 11:00, schrieb Attila <:
>
>>>>>>> But Darwin as a person is not as interesting and of such political
>>>>>>> importance as Naziism.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> TH
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Darwin is much more interesting and influential than a bunch of
>>>>>> psychopaths.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Darwinism is a central part of Naziism (the other is socialism).
>>>>>
>>>>> The English word for Naziism is 'Eugenics'.
>>>>
>>>> No, it isn't.
>>>
>>> Well, actually you are correct.
>>
>> Then why did you say it?
>
>
>It is not the same thing, but has actually the same concept:
>
>racism, meant as alleged of superiority of the white settlers.
>
>(which 'allowed' them to rape, plunder and kill)

Every society has had a sub-class.

>
>>>
>>> 'Nazi' is an abbreviation for 'National Socialist'.
>>
>> National German Socialist Workers Party.
>
>
>The party itself was not called 'Nazi'.
>
>'Nazi' was the nickname for the followers of the Nazi-movement.
>
>Since the party 'NSDAP' did not take everybody, who wanted to, the 
>party-members were the 'elite' of the Nazis.
>
>But a lot of other supporters were also called 'Nazis', like the members 
>of the 'SS', 'SA', 'BDM' or 'HJ'.

Part of the Party.

>
>
>>>
>>> This stems from German and was meant as opposition to 'Sozi'.
>>>
>>> 'Sozi' stems from 'Sozialdemokrat' (social democrat).
>>>
>>> SPD (Sozis) had fought their enemies (Nazis) in the streets of Berlin in
>>> the 1920th.
>>>
>>> Finally the Nazis had won (with a little help from Wall Street).
>>
>> I doubt "Wall Street" was even aware of them.  Whatever "Wall Street"
>> is.
>Look at 'Anthony Suton, "Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler"'
>
>Naziism had also roots in Italy, England, Canada and in the USA.
>
>Forerunners of the German Nazi movement were the so called 'Silver 
>shirts' of the USA and the black-shirts of Italy.
>
>In the USA we had also the 'Kuhn party' and several other racists groups.
>
>The so called 'Hitler salute' was actually derived from the 'pledge of 
>allegiance' in US schools, which was invented by the US socialists 
>Francis and Edward Bellamy.

Actually it goes back to Rome.

>
>'Hitler Youth' seems to be a carbon copy of the Boy Scouts and the SA 
>uniforms look like derived from British uniforms in the 2nd Boer war.
>
>Btw: 'fascism' comes from 'fasces' and those are these things, where 
>Abraham Lincoln rests his arms on in Lincoln Memorial.
>
>'Fascism'  as political system is the mixture of political power with 
>oligarchal capitalism as privatised dictatorship (='corporatism').
>
>
>
>TH

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor OBastard.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#2176132

Attila wrote:
> Thomas Heger wrote:

----snip----

> > The so called 'Hitler salute' was actually derived from the
> > 'pledge of allegiance' in US schools, which was invented by
> > the US socialists Francis and Edward Bellamy.
>
> Actually it goes back to Rome.

So some say. But there's no evidence for ir; in fact, it looks
a lot like an attempt to deflect sone of the ignominy from the
USA.

Ned

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#2176155

On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 11:53:27 GMT, Ned Latham
<nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> in alt.atheism with message-id
<slrnnv1t9n.oqe.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> wrote:

>Attila wrote:
>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>
>----snip----
>
>> > The so called 'Hitler salute' was actually derived from the
>> > 'pledge of allegiance' in US schools, which was invented by
>> > the US socialists Francis and Edward Bellamy.
>>
>> Actually it goes back to Rome.
>
>So some say. But there's no evidence for ir; in fact, it looks
>a lot like an attempt to deflect sone of the ignominy from the
>USA.
>
>Ned

Does it really matter?  Just about everything is stolen from somewhere
else.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor OBastard.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#2176219

Am 02.10.2016 15:01, schrieb Attila <:
> On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 11:53:27 GMT, Ned Latham
> <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>  in alt.atheism with message-id
> <slrnnv1t9n.oqe.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>  wrote:
>
>> Attila wrote:
>>> Thomas Heger wrote:
>>
>> ----snip----
>>
>>>> The so called 'Hitler salute' was actually derived from the
>>>> 'pledge of allegiance' in US schools, which was invented by
>>>> the US socialists Francis and Edward Bellamy.
>>>
>>> Actually it goes back to Rome.
>>
>> So some say. But there's no evidence for ir; in fact, it looks
>> a lot like an attempt to deflect sone of the ignominy from the
>> USA.
>>
>> Ned
>
> Does it really matter?  Just about everything is stolen from somewhere
> else.
>

You won't believe, what the Nazis have actually stolen.

It was not everything, but almost.

Treasurer of the Nazis was Martin Borman.

Borman was brought to England by the 'real James Bond' John 
Ainsworth-Davis, under direction of Ian Fleming in 'Operation James Bond'.

(Actually the real 'James Bond' was author of a book about the birds of 
the Caribbeans.)

The Nazi salute seems to be an offspring of the salute of the boy scouts 
and the flag salute 'pledge of allegiance' in US schools.

http://rexcurry.net/scouting-calgaric-lithuanian-klaipeda08-17-1933.jpg

http://rexcurry.net/pledgesalute.html


BTW: Baden-Powel was member of the so called 'Millner's Kindergarden' in 
the second Boer war, together with Churchill and Kitchener.

http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-mibhu8c/product_images/uploaded_images/boer-war.jpg?t=1415058780


for comparison the SA uniform:

http://www.janssen-militaria.com/oscommerce/popup_image.php?pID=5712&invis=1&osCsid=d2f1c437ef3c3c2a489d0b277fdd6daa



TH

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#2176247

Thomas Heger wrote:
> 
> Am 02.10.2016 15:01, schrieb Attila <:
> > On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 11:53:27 GMT, Ned Latham
> > <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>  in alt.atheism with message-id
> > <slrnnv1t9n.oqe.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>  wrote:
> >
> >> Attila wrote:
> >>> Thomas Heger wrote:
> >>
> >> ----snip----
> >>
> >>>> The so called 'Hitler salute' was actually derived from the
> >>>> 'pledge of allegiance' in US schools, which was invented by
> >>>> the US socialists Francis and Edward Bellamy.
> >>>
> >>> Actually it goes back to Rome.
> >>
> >> So some say. But there's no evidence for ir; in fact, it looks
> >> a lot like an attempt to deflect sone of the ignominy from the
> >> USA.
> >>
> >> Ned
> >
> > Does it really matter?  Just about everything is stolen from somewhere
> > else.
> >
> 
> You won't believe, what the Nazis have actually stolen.
> 
> It was not everything, but almost.

The Nazis did not steal..they simply learned from others.

Aldolph Hitler studied American History books and learned the methods
the US used to
kill the millions of American Indians.

How did the U.S. kill american indians? They surrounded the tee pees at
night and shot the indians while they were sleeping.
















> 
> Treasurer of the Nazis was Martin Borman.
> 
> Borman was brought to England by the 'real James Bond' John
> Ainsworth-Davis, under direction of Ian Fleming in 'Operation James Bond'.
> 
> (Actually the real 'James Bond' was author of a book about the birds of
> the Caribbeans.)
> 
> The Nazi salute seems to be an offspring of the salute of the boy scouts
> and the flag salute 'pledge of allegiance' in US schools.
> 
> http://rexcurry.net/scouting-calgaric-lithuanian-klaipeda08-17-1933.jpg
> 
> http://rexcurry.net/pledgesalute.html
> 
> BTW: Baden-Powel was member of the so called 'Millner's Kindergarden' in
> the second Boer war, together with Churchill and Kitchener.
> 
> http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-mibhu8c/product_images/uploaded_images/boer-war.jpg?t=1415058780
> 
> for comparison the SA uniform:
> 
> http://www.janssen-militaria.com/oscommerce/popup_image.php?pID=5712&invis=1&osCsid=d2f1c437ef3c3c2a489d0b277fdd6daa
> 
> TH

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#2176388

On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 2:01:36 AM UTC+8, The Starmaker wrote:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
> > 
> > Am 02.10.2016 15:01, schrieb Attila <:
> > > On Sun, 02 Oct 2016 11:53:27 GMT, Ned Latham
> > > <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>  in alt.atheism with message-id
> > > <slrnnv1t9n.oqe.nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz>  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Attila wrote:
> > >>> Thomas Heger wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ----snip----
> > >>
> > >>>> The so called 'Hitler salute' was actually derived from the
> > >>>> 'pledge of allegiance' in US schools, which was invented by
> > >>>> the US socialists Francis and Edward Bellamy.
> > >>>
> > >>> Actually it goes back to Rome.
> > >>
> > >> So some say. But there's no evidence for ir; in fact, it looks
> > >> a lot like an attempt to deflect sone of the ignominy from the
> > >> USA.
> > >>
> > >> Ned
> > >
> > > Does it really matter?  Just about everything is stolen from somewhere
> > > else.
> > >
> > 
> > You won't believe, what the Nazis have actually stolen.
> > 
> > It was not everything, but almost.
> 
> The Nazis did not steal..they simply learned from others.
> 
> Aldolph Hitler studied American History books and learned the methods
> the US used to
> kill the millions of American Indians.
> 
> How did the U.S. kill american indians? They surrounded the tee pees at
> night and shot the indians while they were sleeping.

Is that true?
If so, it does show this world that lacks a proto=pixie to do justice !!!!!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Treasurer of the Nazis was Martin Borman.
> > 
> > Borman was brought to England by the 'real James Bond' John
> > Ainsworth-Davis, under direction of Ian Fleming in 'Operation James Bond'.
> > 
> > (Actually the real 'James Bond' was author of a book about the birds of
> > the Caribbeans.)
> > 
> > The Nazi salute seems to be an offspring of the salute of the boy scouts
> > and the flag salute 'pledge of allegiance' in US schools.
> > 
> > http://rexcurry.net/scouting-calgaric-lithuanian-klaipeda08-17-1933.jpg
> > 
> > http://rexcurry.net/pledgesalute.html
> > 
> > BTW: Baden-Powel was member of the so called 'Millner's Kindergarden' in
> > the second Boer war, together with Churchill and Kitchener.
> > 
> > http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-mibhu8c/product_images/uploaded_images/boer-war.jpg?t=1415058780
> > 
> > for comparison the SA uniform:
> > 
> > http://www.janssen-militaria.com/oscommerce/popup_image.php?pID=5712&invis=1&osCsid=d2f1c437ef3c3c2a489d0b277fdd6daa
> > 
> > TH
> 
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