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Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-03 23:04 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-04 16:00 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-05 19:50 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-07 07:45 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-07 16:15 +0200
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Jane <Jane@....> - 2016-05-08 06:51 +1000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-08 00:24 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 00:25 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2016-05-08 08:45 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 23:24 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2016-05-09 18:14 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2016-05-10 15:47 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-11 14:02 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-11 14:01 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-07 14:39 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-08 00:25 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-07 17:33 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-07 17:02 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-11 14:02 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-12 00:31 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-12 08:22 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-12 18:50 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-13 17:20 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-14 02:27 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-15 16:05 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-16 22:14 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-17 06:38 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> - 2016-05-17 07:12 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-17 23:21 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-18 03:30 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 11:26 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 12:46 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:03 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 17:22 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 21:34 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:01 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 17:27 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 21:35 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-05-18 16:01 -0600
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 17:29 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-18 14:12 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Virgil <VIRGIL@VIRGIL.com> - 2016-05-18 16:08 -0600
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 18:40 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:33 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-19 17:34 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:21 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 03:45 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-18 14:13 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:05 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:34 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 00:59 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-18 12:49 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:06 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:35 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 01:00 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-18 15:44 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-18 14:08 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-18 16:08 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-05-18 15:38 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:37 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:36 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-05-20 01:02 -0400
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-05-18 15:57 -0600
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-19 16:37 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-17 16:39 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-08 00:21 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? John Locke <johnnydemon666@demonmail.com> - 2016-05-10 12:59 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-11 14:04 -0500
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-05-12 00:35 +0000
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? John Locke <johnnydemon666@demonmail.com> - 2016-05-14 18:04 -0700
Re: [OT] Re: Is there a God, Yes or No? duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-05-15 16:14 -0500
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2016-05-12 08:22 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <vp09jb1q1iv9i5n27bjpheri4rgcra03ee@4ax.com> |
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On Thu, 12 May 2016 00:31:26 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote: >On Wed, 11 May 2016 14:02:54 -0500, duke wrote: > >> On Sat, 7 May 2016 17:02:46 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote: >> >>>On Sat, 07 May 2016 07:45:26 -0500, duke wrote: > ><snip> > >>>> What is your evidence that there is NO God almighty? A simple >>>> request for a simple answer..............if you have one. >>> >>>I don't need evidence to not believe _your_ unevidenced claim. >> >> Then you are declaring there is no God by faith. > >Where have I done that, liar Earl? >There may or may not be a god. Either way, I don't believe in it. You don't accept my evidence that God truly lives amongst us, and yet you can't support the non existence of God. All you're doing is living by faith. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | Smiler <smiler@jo.king> |
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| Date | 2016-05-12 18:50 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nh2jaf$op0$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #2105083 |
On Thu, 12 May 2016 08:22:25 -0500, duke wrote: > On Thu, 12 May 2016 00:31:26 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote: > >>On Wed, 11 May 2016 14:02:54 -0500, duke wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 7 May 2016 17:02:46 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>On Sat, 07 May 2016 07:45:26 -0500, duke wrote: >> >><snip> >> >>>>> What is your evidence that there is NO God almighty? A simple >>>>> request for a simple answer..............if you have one. >>>> >>>>I don't need evidence to not believe _your_ unevidenced claim. >>> >>> Then you are declaring there is no God by faith. >> >>Where have I done that, liar Earl? >>There may or may not be a god. Either way, I don't believe in it. > > You don't accept my evidence that God truly lives amongst us, I've not seen any evidence to accept. > and yet you can't support the non existence of God. What don't you understand about "There may or may not be a god."? > All you're doing is living by faith. What faith would that be, liar Earl? > ***** > "Telling lies is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI ***** -- Smiler, The godless one. aa #2279 Gods are all tailored to order. They are made to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2016-05-13 17:20 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <gkkcjblf3mmjjjolsdcltfu4jh09r01a0o@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2105260 |
On Thu, 12 May 2016 18:50:55 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote: >On Thu, 12 May 2016 08:22:25 -0500, duke wrote: > >> On Thu, 12 May 2016 00:31:26 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote: >> >>>On Wed, 11 May 2016 14:02:54 -0500, duke wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 7 May 2016 17:02:46 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Sat, 07 May 2016 07:45:26 -0500, duke wrote: >>> >>><snip> >>> >>>>>> What is your evidence that there is NO God almighty? A simple >>>>>> request for a simple answer..............if you have one. >>>>> >>>>>I don't need evidence to not believe _your_ unevidenced claim. >>>> >>>> Then you are declaring there is no God by faith. >>> >>>Where have I done that, liar Earl? >>>There may or may not be a god. Either way, I don't believe in it. >> >> You don't accept my evidence that God truly lives amongst us, > >I've not seen any evidence to accept. Then you take all the wonders around you for guaranteed. >> and yet you can't support the non existence of God. >What don't you understand about "There may or may not be a god."? Yet you continue to hide from the evidence. >> All you're doing is living by faith. >What faith would that be, liar Earl? That there is no God. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | Smiler <smiler@jo.king> |
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| Date | 2016-05-14 02:27 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nh62ea$1muu$3@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #2105907 |
On Fri, 13 May 2016 17:20:49 -0500, duke wrote: > On Thu, 12 May 2016 18:50:55 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote: > >>On Thu, 12 May 2016 08:22:25 -0500, duke wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 12 May 2016 00:31:26 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>On Wed, 11 May 2016 14:02:54 -0500, duke wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, 7 May 2016 17:02:46 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Sat, 07 May 2016 07:45:26 -0500, duke wrote: >>>> >>>><snip> >>>> >>>>>>> What is your evidence that there is NO God almighty? A simple >>>>>>> request for a simple answer..............if you have one. >>>>>> >>>>>>I don't need evidence to not believe _your_ unevidenced claim. >>>>> >>>>> Then you are declaring there is no God by faith. >>>> >>>>Where have I done that, liar Earl? >>>>There may or may not be a god. Either way, I don't believe in it. >>> >>> You don't accept my evidence that God truly lives amongst us, >> >>I've not seen any evidence to accept. > > Then you take all the wonders around you for guaranteed. I bought extra insurance! >>> and yet you can't support the non existence of God. >>What don't you understand about "There may or may not be a god."? > > Yet you continue to hide from the evidence. That would be the evidence you've yet to provide. >>> All you're doing is living by faith. >>What faith would that be, liar Earl? > > That there is no God. What don't you understand about "There may or may not be a god.", liar Earl? > ***** > "Paedophilia is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI ***** -- Smiler, The godless one. aa #2279 Gods are all tailored to order. They are made to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2016-05-15 16:05 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <61phjbd3hejalpi5qbqq9fetampgnlbb7j@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2106047 |
On Sat, 14 May 2016 02:27:22 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote: >On Fri, 13 May 2016 17:20:49 -0500, duke wrote: > >> On Thu, 12 May 2016 18:50:55 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 12 May 2016 08:22:25 -0500, duke wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 12 May 2016 00:31:26 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Wed, 11 May 2016 14:02:54 -0500, duke wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 7 May 2016 17:02:46 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Sat, 07 May 2016 07:45:26 -0500, duke wrote: >>>>> >>>>><snip> >>>>> >>>>>>>> What is your evidence that there is NO God almighty? A simple >>>>>>>> request for a simple answer..............if you have one. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I don't need evidence to not believe _your_ unevidenced claim. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then you are declaring there is no God by faith. >>>>> >>>>>Where have I done that, liar Earl? >>>>>There may or may not be a god. Either way, I don't believe in it. >>>> >>>> You don't accept my evidence that God truly lives amongst us, >>> >>>I've not seen any evidence to accept. >> >> Then you take all the wonders around you for guaranteed. > >I bought extra insurance! Which guarantees you that human life is "normal? >>>> and yet you can't support the non existence of God. >>>What don't you understand about "There may or may not be a god."? >> Yet you continue to hide from the evidence. >That would be the evidence you've yet to provide. No the evidence all around you. > >>>> All you're doing is living by faith. >>>What faith would that be, liar Earl? >> >> That there is no God. >What don't you understand about "There may or may not be a god.", liar >Earl? How you can suggest there isn't with all the evidence around you. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | Smiler <smiler@jo.king> |
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| Date | 2016-05-16 22:14 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <nhdgog$1m8m$4@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #2106983 |
On Sun, 15 May 2016 16:05:13 -0500, duke wrote: > On Sat, 14 May 2016 02:27:22 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote: > >>On Fri, 13 May 2016 17:20:49 -0500, duke wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 12 May 2016 18:50:55 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>On Thu, 12 May 2016 08:22:25 -0500, duke wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 12 May 2016 00:31:26 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On Wed, 11 May 2016 14:02:54 -0500, duke wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 7 May 2016 17:02:46 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On Sat, 07 May 2016 07:45:26 -0500, duke wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>><snip> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What is your evidence that there is NO God almighty? A simple >>>>>>>>> request for a simple answer..............if you have one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I don't need evidence to not believe _your_ unevidenced claim. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then you are declaring there is no God by faith. >>>>>> >>>>>>Where have I done that, liar Earl? >>>>>>There may or may not be a god. Either way, I don't believe in it. >>>>> >>>>> You don't accept my evidence that God truly lives amongst us, >>>> >>>>I've not seen any evidence to accept. >>> >>> Then you take all the wonders around you for guaranteed. >> >>I bought extra insurance! > > Which guarantees you that human life is "normal? > >>>>> and yet you can't support the non existence of God. >>>>What don't you understand about "There may or may not be a god."? > >>> Yet you continue to hide from the evidence. >>That would be the evidence you've yet to provide. > > No the evidence all around you. Still not providing the evidence, I see. >>>>> All you're doing is living by faith. >>>>What faith would that be, liar Earl? >>> >>> That there is no God. > >>What don't you understand about "There may or may not be a god.", liar >>Earl? > > How you can suggest there isn't with all the evidence around you. That would be the supposed evidence that you cannot show us. > ***** > "Paedophilia is the most perfect form of Prayer." > Pope Paul VI ***** -- Smiler, The godless one. aa #2279 Gods are all tailored to order. They are made to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.
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| From | duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> |
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| Date | 2016-05-17 06:38 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2107590 |
On Mon, 16 May 2016 22:14:40 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote: >On Sun, 15 May 2016 16:05:13 -0500, duke wrote: > >> On Sat, 14 May 2016 02:27:22 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> wrote: >> >>>On Fri, 13 May 2016 17:20:49 -0500, duke wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 12 May 2016 18:50:55 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>On Thu, 12 May 2016 08:22:25 -0500, duke wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 12 May 2016 00:31:26 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On Wed, 11 May 2016 14:02:54 -0500, duke wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, 7 May 2016 17:02:46 +0000 (UTC), Smiler <smiler@jo.king> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On Sat, 07 May 2016 07:45:26 -0500, duke wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>><snip> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What is your evidence that there is NO God almighty? A simple >>>>>>>>>> request for a simple answer..............if you have one. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I don't need evidence to not believe _your_ unevidenced claim. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Then you are declaring there is no God by faith. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Where have I done that, liar Earl? >>>>>>>There may or may not be a god. Either way, I don't believe in it. >>>>>> >>>>>> You don't accept my evidence that God truly lives amongst us, >>>>> >>>>>I've not seen any evidence to accept. >>>> >>>> Then you take all the wonders around you for guaranteed. >>> >>>I bought extra insurance! >> >> Which guarantees you that human life is "normal? >> >>>>>> and yet you can't support the non existence of God. >>>>>What don't you understand about "There may or may not be a god."? >> >>>> Yet you continue to hide from the evidence. >>>That would be the evidence you've yet to provide. >> >> No the evidence all around you. > >Still not providing the evidence, I see. If you can't see it, you don't want to. Without creation, nothing would exist. >>>>>> All you're doing is living by faith. >>>>>What faith would that be, liar Earl? >>>> >>>> That there is no God. >> >>>What don't you understand about "There may or may not be a god.", liar >>>Earl? >> >> How you can suggest there isn't with all the evidence around you. > >That would be the supposed evidence that you cannot show us. the dukester, American-American ***** "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer." Pope Paul VI *****
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| From | Mitchell Holman <noemail@comcast.net> |
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| Date | 2016-05-17 07:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <XnsA60B483FDD6C6noemailattnet@216.166.97.131> |
| In reply to | #2108011 |
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com:
>
> If you can't see it, you don't want to. Without creation, nothing
> would exist.
Without a creation your god would not exist.
Who created your creator?
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-17 23:21 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <573C09FA.5A01@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #2108035 |
Mitchell Holman wrote: > > duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in > news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com: > > > > > If you can't see it, you don't want to. Without creation, nothing > > would exist. > > Without a creation your god would not exist. > > Who created your creator? 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' (all your questions are answered in that one sentence) So, 'In the beginning..' https://www.google.com/#q=define+beginning 1. the point in time or space at which something starts. '...God created..' There was no creation before God..so no one created God since creation did not exist before God.. it existed after God..God created the first...create. And then you have...'the heavens and the earth.' --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net ---
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| From | benj <nobodyxx@gmail> |
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| Date | 2016-05-18 03:30 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <573c1a19$0$15571$c3e8da3$9deca2c3@news.astraweb.com> |
| In reply to | #2108548 |
On 05/18/2016 02:21 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > Mitchell Holman wrote: >> >> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com: >> >>> >>> If you can't see it, you don't want to. Without creation, nothing >>> would exist. >> >> Without a creation your god would not exist. >> >> Who created your creator? > > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' > > > (all your questions are answered in that one sentence) > > > So, 'In the beginning..' > > https://www.google.com/#q=define+beginning > > 1. > the point in time or space at which something starts. > > > '...God created..' > > > There was no creation before God..so no one created God since creation did not exist before God.. > it existed after God..God created the first...create. > > And then you have...'the heavens and the earth.' > > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net --- Starfaker you are babbling and drooling! The whole biblical creation myth like all of the creation myths is an attempt to explain highly advanced technical physics to primitive ignorant humans (even MORE primitive and ignorant than they are today if you can imagine that!) Hence it used terms that really make no logical sense like saying creation took place in six "days"? Sure you can understand a "day" on earth and what it means but what is a "day" for the universe? Obviously a "day" is trying to explain operations that took place in stages or phases. Native humans see things in causal form. Hence they want stories about "beginnings" But if there was a beginning what was before that? Was there a God? Defining God as the universe and all in it and the laws that govern it allow you to say the laws might have been there but since we are talking "creation" the universe wasn't and since "God" is the universe then God must have not existed either unless it was there only as laws. Story is that "God" is outside of time. Therefore "creation" does not apply. Creation applies only to causal phenomena that we are and observe. Hence out efforts to ascribe a "creation" to God is basically nonsense. God is the theater and projectionist (this is something you can understand starfaker) it always existed and exists because they are outside of time. Then just for US the the movie starts and we watch it all take place in linear fashion. But in truth it all already exists wound up in the reels of film on the projector. We just can't see the part that isn't yet in the projector or the things that have already gone through and are wound up on the other reel. But in truth all of our "creation" is just ONE time. WE just cannot comprehend something existing outside of time. So we make up stories.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-18 11:26 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <573CB3D7.2DA7@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #2108567 |
benj wrote: > > On 05/18/2016 02:21 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > > Mitchell Holman wrote: > >> > >> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in > >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com: > >> > >>> > >>> If you can't see it, you don't want to. Without creation, nothing > >>> would exist. > >> > >> Without a creation your god would not exist. > >> > >> Who created your creator? > > > > > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' > > > > > > (all your questions are answered in that one sentence) > > > > > > So, 'In the beginning..' > > > > https://www.google.com/#q=define+beginning > > > > 1. > > the point in time or space at which something starts. > > > > > > '...God created..' > > > > > > There was no creation before God..so no one created God since creation did not exist before God.. > > it existed after God..God created the first...create. > > > > And then you have...'the heavens and the earth.' > > > > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net --- > > Starfaker you are babbling and drooling! The whole biblical creation > myth like all of the creation myths is an attempt to explain highly > advanced technical physics to primitive ignorant humans (even MORE > primitive and ignorant than they are today if you can imagine that!) > > Hence it used terms that really make no logical sense like saying > creation took place in six "days"? Sure you can understand a "day" on > earth and what it means but what is a "day" for the universe? Obviously > a "day" is trying to explain operations that took place in stages or > phases. > > Native humans see things in causal form. Hence they want stories about > "beginnings" But if there was a beginning what was before that? Was > there a God? Defining God as the universe and all in it and the laws > that govern it allow you to say the laws might have been there but since > we are talking "creation" the universe wasn't and since "God" is the > universe then God must have not existed either unless it was there only > as laws. > > Story is that "God" is outside of time. Therefore "creation" does not > apply. Creation applies only to causal phenomena that we are and > observe. Hence out efforts to ascribe a "creation" to God is basically > nonsense. God is the theater and projectionist (this is something you > can understand starfaker) it always existed and exists because they are > outside of time. Then just for US the the movie starts and we watch it > all take place in linear fashion. But in truth it all already exists > wound up in the reels of film on the projector. We just can't see the > part that isn't yet in the projector or the things that have already > gone through and are wound up on the other reel. But in truth all of our > "creation" is just ONE time. WE just cannot comprehend something > existing outside of time. So we make up stories. It's very simple, you need to undertsand the order of events.... it is God created, not created God. 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' Maybe you people need to go back to school and learn the Inglish languagge... 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' Look up the Defintion for the word: "In" then, Look up the Defintion for the word: "the" then Look up the Defintion for the word: "beginning" then Look up the Defintion for the word: (,) Now, try to understand what the word "In" means... and "the" and "beginning".
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-18 12:46 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <573CC67C.23DA@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #2108799 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > benj wrote: > > > > On 05/18/2016 02:21 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > > > Mitchell Holman wrote: > > >> > > >> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in > > >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> If you can't see it, you don't want to. Without creation, nothing > > >>> would exist. > > >> > > >> Without a creation your god would not exist. > > >> > > >> Who created your creator? > > > > > > > > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' > > > > > > > > > (all your questions are answered in that one sentence) > > > > > > > > > So, 'In the beginning..' > > > > > > https://www.google.com/#q=define+beginning > > > > > > 1. > > > the point in time or space at which something starts. > > > > > > > > > '...God created..' > > > > > > > > > There was no creation before God..so no one created God since creation did not exist before God.. > > > it existed after God..God created the first...create. > > > > > > And then you have...'the heavens and the earth.' > > > > > > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net --- > > > > Starfaker you are babbling and drooling! The whole biblical creation > > myth like all of the creation myths is an attempt to explain highly > > advanced technical physics to primitive ignorant humans (even MORE > > primitive and ignorant than they are today if you can imagine that!) > > > > Hence it used terms that really make no logical sense like saying > > creation took place in six "days"? Sure you can understand a "day" on > > earth and what it means but what is a "day" for the universe? Obviously > > a "day" is trying to explain operations that took place in stages or > > phases. > > > > Native humans see things in causal form. Hence they want stories about > > "beginnings" But if there was a beginning what was before that? Was > > there a God? Defining God as the universe and all in it and the laws > > that govern it allow you to say the laws might have been there but since > > we are talking "creation" the universe wasn't and since "God" is the > > universe then God must have not existed either unless it was there only > > as laws. > > > > Story is that "God" is outside of time. Therefore "creation" does not > > apply. Creation applies only to causal phenomena that we are and > > observe. Hence out efforts to ascribe a "creation" to God is basically > > nonsense. God is the theater and projectionist (this is something you > > can understand starfaker) it always existed and exists because they are > > outside of time. Then just for US the the movie starts and we watch it > > all take place in linear fashion. But in truth it all already exists > > wound up in the reels of film on the projector. We just can't see the > > part that isn't yet in the projector or the things that have already > > gone through and are wound up on the other reel. But in truth all of our > > "creation" is just ONE time. WE just cannot comprehend something > > existing outside of time. So we make up stories. > > It's very simple, you need to undertsand the order of events.... > > it is God created, not created God. > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' > > Maybe you people need to go back to school and learn the Inglish languagge... > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' > > Look up the Defintion for the word: "In" > > then, > > Look up the Defintion for the word: "the" > > then > > Look up the Defintion for the word: "beginning" > > then > > Look up the Defintion for the word: (,) > > Now, try to understand what the word "In" means... > > and "the" > > and "beginning". It is people like "benj", who make the mistake of assuming that 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' originated from the bible... and then he mentions something about "6 days" which is not mentioned in the sentence: 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' all the answers are in that *one* sentence: 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.'
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2016-05-18 16:03 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <2hipjb1go7mhf37fvkh0ggqikrih270mhl@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2108857 |
On Wed, 18 May 2016 12:46:04 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <573CC67C.23DA@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >The Starmaker wrote: >> >> benj wrote: >> > >> > On 05/18/2016 02:21 AM, The Starmaker wrote: >> > > Mitchell Holman wrote: >> > >> >> > >> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in >> > >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com: >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >>> If you can't see it, you don't want to. Without creation, nothing >> > >>> would exist. >> > >> >> > >> Without a creation your god would not exist. >> > >> >> > >> Who created your creator? >> > > >> > > >> > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' >> > > >> > > >> > > (all your questions are answered in that one sentence) >> > > >> > > >> > > So, 'In the beginning..' >> > > >> > > https://www.google.com/#q=define+beginning >> > > >> > > 1. >> > > the point in time or space at which something starts. >> > > >> > > >> > > '...God created..' >> > > >> > > >> > > There was no creation before God..so no one created God since creation did not exist before God.. >> > > it existed after God..God created the first...create. >> > > >> > > And then you have...'the heavens and the earth.' >> > > >> > > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net --- >> > >> > Starfaker you are babbling and drooling! The whole biblical creation >> > myth like all of the creation myths is an attempt to explain highly >> > advanced technical physics to primitive ignorant humans (even MORE >> > primitive and ignorant than they are today if you can imagine that!) >> > >> > Hence it used terms that really make no logical sense like saying >> > creation took place in six "days"? Sure you can understand a "day" on >> > earth and what it means but what is a "day" for the universe? Obviously >> > a "day" is trying to explain operations that took place in stages or >> > phases. >> > >> > Native humans see things in causal form. Hence they want stories about >> > "beginnings" But if there was a beginning what was before that? Was >> > there a God? Defining God as the universe and all in it and the laws >> > that govern it allow you to say the laws might have been there but since >> > we are talking "creation" the universe wasn't and since "God" is the >> > universe then God must have not existed either unless it was there only >> > as laws. >> > >> > Story is that "God" is outside of time. Therefore "creation" does not >> > apply. Creation applies only to causal phenomena that we are and >> > observe. Hence out efforts to ascribe a "creation" to God is basically >> > nonsense. God is the theater and projectionist (this is something you >> > can understand starfaker) it always existed and exists because they are >> > outside of time. Then just for US the the movie starts and we watch it >> > all take place in linear fashion. But in truth it all already exists >> > wound up in the reels of film on the projector. We just can't see the >> > part that isn't yet in the projector or the things that have already >> > gone through and are wound up on the other reel. But in truth all of our >> > "creation" is just ONE time. WE just cannot comprehend something >> > existing outside of time. So we make up stories. >> >> It's very simple, you need to undertsand the order of events.... >> >> it is God created, not created God. >> >> 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' >> >> Maybe you people need to go back to school and learn the Inglish languagge... >> >> 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' >> >> Look up the Defintion for the word: "In" >> >> then, >> >> Look up the Defintion for the word: "the" >> >> then >> >> Look up the Defintion for the word: "beginning" >> >> then >> >> Look up the Defintion for the word: (,) >> >> Now, try to understand what the word "In" means... >> >> and "the" >> >> and "beginning". > > >It is people like "benj", who make the mistake of assuming that > >'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' originated >from the bible... It doesn't matter. Whatever the source it is unverified. > >and then he mentions something about "6 days" which is not mentioned in >the sentence: > >'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' > > >all the answers are in that *one* sentence: 'In the beginning, God >created the heavens and the earth.' Which is meaningless until evidence that a god exists is presented. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-18 17:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <573D0753.29F5@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #2108871 |
Attila < wrote: > > On Wed, 18 May 2016 12:46:04 -0700, The Starmaker > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > <573CC67C.23DA@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >The Starmaker wrote: > >> > >> benj wrote: > >> > > >> > On 05/18/2016 02:21 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > >> > > Mitchell Holman wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in > >> > >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com: > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> If you can't see it, you don't want to. Without creation, nothing > >> > >>> would exist. > >> > >> > >> > >> Without a creation your god would not exist. > >> > >> > >> > >> Who created your creator? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > (all your questions are answered in that one sentence) > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > So, 'In the beginning..' > >> > > > >> > > https://www.google.com/#q=define+beginning > >> > > > >> > > 1. > >> > > the point in time or space at which something starts. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > '...God created..' > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > There was no creation before God..so no one created God since creation did not exist before God.. > >> > > it existed after God..God created the first...create. > >> > > > >> > > And then you have...'the heavens and the earth.' > >> > > > >> > > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net --- > >> > > >> > Starfaker you are babbling and drooling! The whole biblical creation > >> > myth like all of the creation myths is an attempt to explain highly > >> > advanced technical physics to primitive ignorant humans (even MORE > >> > primitive and ignorant than they are today if you can imagine that!) > >> > > >> > Hence it used terms that really make no logical sense like saying > >> > creation took place in six "days"? Sure you can understand a "day" on > >> > earth and what it means but what is a "day" for the universe? Obviously > >> > a "day" is trying to explain operations that took place in stages or > >> > phases. > >> > > >> > Native humans see things in causal form. Hence they want stories about > >> > "beginnings" But if there was a beginning what was before that? Was > >> > there a God? Defining God as the universe and all in it and the laws > >> > that govern it allow you to say the laws might have been there but since > >> > we are talking "creation" the universe wasn't and since "God" is the > >> > universe then God must have not existed either unless it was there only > >> > as laws. > >> > > >> > Story is that "God" is outside of time. Therefore "creation" does not > >> > apply. Creation applies only to causal phenomena that we are and > >> > observe. Hence out efforts to ascribe a "creation" to God is basically > >> > nonsense. God is the theater and projectionist (this is something you > >> > can understand starfaker) it always existed and exists because they are > >> > outside of time. Then just for US the the movie starts and we watch it > >> > all take place in linear fashion. But in truth it all already exists > >> > wound up in the reels of film on the projector. We just can't see the > >> > part that isn't yet in the projector or the things that have already > >> > gone through and are wound up on the other reel. But in truth all of our > >> > "creation" is just ONE time. WE just cannot comprehend something > >> > existing outside of time. So we make up stories. > >> > >> It's very simple, you need to undertsand the order of events.... > >> > >> it is God created, not created God. > >> > >> 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' > >> > >> Maybe you people need to go back to school and learn the Inglish languagge... > >> > >> 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' > >> > >> Look up the Defintion for the word: "In" > >> > >> then, > >> > >> Look up the Defintion for the word: "the" > >> > >> then > >> > >> Look up the Defintion for the word: "beginning" > >> > >> then > >> > >> Look up the Defintion for the word: (,) > >> > >> Now, try to understand what the word "In" means... > >> > >> and "the" > >> > >> and "beginning". > > > > > >It is people like "benj", who make the mistake of assuming that > > > >'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' originated > >from the bible... > > It doesn't matter. Whatever the source it is unverified. My mistake, I meant to write: 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' did not originated from the bible...
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2016-05-18 21:34 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <bv5qjbhabbkir93e0rp1849uj043plros9@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2109052 |
On Wed, 18 May 2016 17:22:43 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <573D0753.29F5@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >Attila < wrote: >> >> On Wed, 18 May 2016 12:46:04 -0700, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> <573CC67C.23DA@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >The Starmaker wrote: >> >> >> >> benj wrote: >> >> > >> >> > On 05/18/2016 02:21 AM, The Starmaker wrote: >> >> > > Mitchell Holman wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> > >> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in >> >> > >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com: >> >> > >> >> >> > >>> >> >> > >>> If you can't see it, you don't want to. Without creation, nothing >> >> > >>> would exist. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Without a creation your god would not exist. >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Who created your creator? >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > (all your questions are answered in that one sentence) >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > So, 'In the beginning..' >> >> > > >> >> > > https://www.google.com/#q=define+beginning >> >> > > >> >> > > 1. >> >> > > the point in time or space at which something starts. >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > '...God created..' >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > There was no creation before God..so no one created God since creation did not exist before God.. >> >> > > it existed after God..God created the first...create. >> >> > > >> >> > > And then you have...'the heavens and the earth.' >> >> > > >> >> > > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net --- >> >> > >> >> > Starfaker you are babbling and drooling! The whole biblical creation >> >> > myth like all of the creation myths is an attempt to explain highly >> >> > advanced technical physics to primitive ignorant humans (even MORE >> >> > primitive and ignorant than they are today if you can imagine that!) >> >> > >> >> > Hence it used terms that really make no logical sense like saying >> >> > creation took place in six "days"? Sure you can understand a "day" on >> >> > earth and what it means but what is a "day" for the universe? Obviously >> >> > a "day" is trying to explain operations that took place in stages or >> >> > phases. >> >> > >> >> > Native humans see things in causal form. Hence they want stories about >> >> > "beginnings" But if there was a beginning what was before that? Was >> >> > there a God? Defining God as the universe and all in it and the laws >> >> > that govern it allow you to say the laws might have been there but since >> >> > we are talking "creation" the universe wasn't and since "God" is the >> >> > universe then God must have not existed either unless it was there only >> >> > as laws. >> >> > >> >> > Story is that "God" is outside of time. Therefore "creation" does not >> >> > apply. Creation applies only to causal phenomena that we are and >> >> > observe. Hence out efforts to ascribe a "creation" to God is basically >> >> > nonsense. God is the theater and projectionist (this is something you >> >> > can understand starfaker) it always existed and exists because they are >> >> > outside of time. Then just for US the the movie starts and we watch it >> >> > all take place in linear fashion. But in truth it all already exists >> >> > wound up in the reels of film on the projector. We just can't see the >> >> > part that isn't yet in the projector or the things that have already >> >> > gone through and are wound up on the other reel. But in truth all of our >> >> > "creation" is just ONE time. WE just cannot comprehend something >> >> > existing outside of time. So we make up stories. >> >> >> >> It's very simple, you need to undertsand the order of events.... >> >> >> >> it is God created, not created God. >> >> >> >> 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' >> >> >> >> Maybe you people need to go back to school and learn the Inglish languagge... >> >> >> >> 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' >> >> >> >> Look up the Defintion for the word: "In" >> >> >> >> then, >> >> >> >> Look up the Defintion for the word: "the" >> >> >> >> then >> >> >> >> Look up the Defintion for the word: "beginning" >> >> >> >> then >> >> >> >> Look up the Defintion for the word: (,) >> >> >> >> Now, try to understand what the word "In" means... >> >> >> >> and "the" >> >> >> >> and "beginning". >> > >> > >> >It is people like "benj", who make the mistake of assuming that >> > >> >'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' originated >> >from the bible... >> >> It doesn't matter. Whatever the source it is unverified. > > >My mistake, I meant to write: > > >'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' did not >originated >from the bible... It doesn't matter. The source whatever it is is not verified. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2016-05-18 16:01 -0400 |
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On Wed, 18 May 2016 11:26:31 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <573CB3D7.2DA7@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >benj wrote: >> >> On 05/18/2016 02:21 AM, The Starmaker wrote: >> > Mitchell Holman wrote: >> >> >> >> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in >> >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com: >> >> >> >>> >> >>> If you can't see it, you don't want to. Without creation, nothing >> >>> would exist. >> >> >> >> Without a creation your god would not exist. >> >> >> >> Who created your creator? >> > >> > >> > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' >> > >> > >> > (all your questions are answered in that one sentence) >> > >> > >> > So, 'In the beginning..' >> > >> > https://www.google.com/#q=define+beginning >> > >> > 1. >> > the point in time or space at which something starts. >> > >> > >> > '...God created..' >> > >> > >> > There was no creation before God..so no one created God since creation did not exist before God.. >> > it existed after God..God created the first...create. >> > >> > And then you have...'the heavens and the earth.' >> > >> > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net --- >> >> Starfaker you are babbling and drooling! The whole biblical creation >> myth like all of the creation myths is an attempt to explain highly >> advanced technical physics to primitive ignorant humans (even MORE >> primitive and ignorant than they are today if you can imagine that!) >> >> Hence it used terms that really make no logical sense like saying >> creation took place in six "days"? Sure you can understand a "day" on >> earth and what it means but what is a "day" for the universe? Obviously >> a "day" is trying to explain operations that took place in stages or >> phases. >> >> Native humans see things in causal form. Hence they want stories about >> "beginnings" But if there was a beginning what was before that? Was >> there a God? Defining God as the universe and all in it and the laws >> that govern it allow you to say the laws might have been there but since >> we are talking "creation" the universe wasn't and since "God" is the >> universe then God must have not existed either unless it was there only >> as laws. >> >> Story is that "God" is outside of time. Therefore "creation" does not >> apply. Creation applies only to causal phenomena that we are and >> observe. Hence out efforts to ascribe a "creation" to God is basically >> nonsense. God is the theater and projectionist (this is something you >> can understand starfaker) it always existed and exists because they are >> outside of time. Then just for US the the movie starts and we watch it >> all take place in linear fashion. But in truth it all already exists >> wound up in the reels of film on the projector. We just can't see the >> part that isn't yet in the projector or the things that have already >> gone through and are wound up on the other reel. But in truth all of our >> "creation" is just ONE time. WE just cannot comprehend something >> existing outside of time. So we make up stories. > > > >It's very simple, you need to undertsand the order of events.... > > >it is God created, not created God. Where is the evidence any god ever existed? > > > Quote from unverified source removed. > > > >Maybe you people need to go back to school and learn the Inglish languagge... > > Quote from unverified source removed. > > >Look up the Defintion for the word: "In" > >then, > >Look up the Defintion for the word: "the" > >then > >Look up the Defintion for the word: "beginning" > > >then > > >Look up the Defintion for the word: (,) > > >Now, try to understand what the word "In" means... > >and "the" > > >and "beginning". I see nothing about any god in there. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-18 17:27 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <573D086F.5C0A@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #2108870 |
Attila < wrote: > > On Wed, 18 May 2016 11:26:31 -0700, The Starmaker > <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id > <573CB3D7.2DA7@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > >benj wrote: > >> > >> On 05/18/2016 02:21 AM, The Starmaker wrote: > >> > Mitchell Holman wrote: > >> >> > >> >> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in > >> >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com: > >> >> > >> >>> > >> >>> If you can't see it, you don't want to. Without creation, nothing > >> >>> would exist. > >> >> > >> >> Without a creation your god would not exist. > >> >> > >> >> Who created your creator? > >> > > >> > > >> > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' > >> > > >> > > >> > (all your questions are answered in that one sentence) > >> > > >> > > >> > So, 'In the beginning..' > >> > > >> > https://www.google.com/#q=define+beginning > >> > > >> > 1. > >> > the point in time or space at which something starts. > >> > > >> > > >> > '...God created..' > >> > > >> > > >> > There was no creation before God..so no one created God since creation did not exist before God.. > >> > it existed after God..God created the first...create. > >> > > >> > And then you have...'the heavens and the earth.' > >> > > >> > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net --- > >> > >> Starfaker you are babbling and drooling! The whole biblical creation > >> myth like all of the creation myths is an attempt to explain highly > >> advanced technical physics to primitive ignorant humans (even MORE > >> primitive and ignorant than they are today if you can imagine that!) > >> > >> Hence it used terms that really make no logical sense like saying > >> creation took place in six "days"? Sure you can understand a "day" on > >> earth and what it means but what is a "day" for the universe? Obviously > >> a "day" is trying to explain operations that took place in stages or > >> phases. > >> > >> Native humans see things in causal form. Hence they want stories about > >> "beginnings" But if there was a beginning what was before that? Was > >> there a God? Defining God as the universe and all in it and the laws > >> that govern it allow you to say the laws might have been there but since > >> we are talking "creation" the universe wasn't and since "God" is the > >> universe then God must have not existed either unless it was there only > >> as laws. > >> > >> Story is that "God" is outside of time. Therefore "creation" does not > >> apply. Creation applies only to causal phenomena that we are and > >> observe. Hence out efforts to ascribe a "creation" to God is basically > >> nonsense. God is the theater and projectionist (this is something you > >> can understand starfaker) it always existed and exists because they are > >> outside of time. Then just for US the the movie starts and we watch it > >> all take place in linear fashion. But in truth it all already exists > >> wound up in the reels of film on the projector. We just can't see the > >> part that isn't yet in the projector or the things that have already > >> gone through and are wound up on the other reel. But in truth all of our > >> "creation" is just ONE time. WE just cannot comprehend something > >> existing outside of time. So we make up stories. > > > > > > > >It's very simple, you need to undertsand the order of events.... > > > > > >it is God created, not created God. > > Where is the evidence any god ever existed? > > > > > > > > Quote from unverified source removed. > > > > > > > > >Maybe you people need to go back to school and learn the Inglish languagge... > > > > > Quote from unverified source removed. > > > > > >Look up the Defintion for the word: "In" > > > >then, > > > >Look up the Defintion for the word: "the" > > > >then > > > >Look up the Defintion for the word: "beginning" > > > > > >then > > > > > >Look up the Defintion for the word: (,) > > > > > >Now, try to understand what the word "In" means... > > > >and "the" > > > > > >and "beginning". > > I see nothing about any god in there. 'In the beginning, ..." has nothing to do with any god. It is about understanding what 'In the beginning, ...' is...God comes in afterwards.
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| From | Attila <<prochoice@here.now> |
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| Date | 2016-05-18 21:35 -0400 |
| Message-ID | <h16qjb5rv9pv2a9didmdrpalfagc63l5g7@4ax.com> |
| In reply to | #2109054 |
On Wed, 18 May 2016 17:27:27 -0700, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id <573D086F.5C0A@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >Attila < wrote: >> >> On Wed, 18 May 2016 11:26:31 -0700, The Starmaker >> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >> <573CB3D7.2DA7@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >> >> >benj wrote: >> >> >> >> On 05/18/2016 02:21 AM, The Starmaker wrote: >> >> > Mitchell Holman wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in >> >> >> news:1i0mjbl1llvtuvpoe7njfrtf3rv7tj9jgc@4ax.com: >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> If you can't see it, you don't want to. Without creation, nothing >> >> >>> would exist. >> >> >> >> >> >> Without a creation your god would not exist. >> >> >> >> >> >> Who created your creator? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > (all your questions are answered in that one sentence) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > So, 'In the beginning..' >> >> > >> >> > https://www.google.com/#q=define+beginning >> >> > >> >> > 1. >> >> > the point in time or space at which something starts. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > '...God created..' >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > There was no creation before God..so no one created God since creation did not exist before God.. >> >> > it existed after God..God created the first...create. >> >> > >> >> > And then you have...'the heavens and the earth.' >> >> > >> >> > --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news@netfront.net --- >> >> >> >> Starfaker you are babbling and drooling! The whole biblical creation >> >> myth like all of the creation myths is an attempt to explain highly >> >> advanced technical physics to primitive ignorant humans (even MORE >> >> primitive and ignorant than they are today if you can imagine that!) >> >> >> >> Hence it used terms that really make no logical sense like saying >> >> creation took place in six "days"? Sure you can understand a "day" on >> >> earth and what it means but what is a "day" for the universe? Obviously >> >> a "day" is trying to explain operations that took place in stages or >> >> phases. >> >> >> >> Native humans see things in causal form. Hence they want stories about >> >> "beginnings" But if there was a beginning what was before that? Was >> >> there a God? Defining God as the universe and all in it and the laws >> >> that govern it allow you to say the laws might have been there but since >> >> we are talking "creation" the universe wasn't and since "God" is the >> >> universe then God must have not existed either unless it was there only >> >> as laws. >> >> >> >> Story is that "God" is outside of time. Therefore "creation" does not >> >> apply. Creation applies only to causal phenomena that we are and >> >> observe. Hence out efforts to ascribe a "creation" to God is basically >> >> nonsense. God is the theater and projectionist (this is something you >> >> can understand starfaker) it always existed and exists because they are >> >> outside of time. Then just for US the the movie starts and we watch it >> >> all take place in linear fashion. But in truth it all already exists >> >> wound up in the reels of film on the projector. We just can't see the >> >> part that isn't yet in the projector or the things that have already >> >> gone through and are wound up on the other reel. But in truth all of our >> >> "creation" is just ONE time. WE just cannot comprehend something >> >> existing outside of time. So we make up stories. >> > >> > >> > >> >It's very simple, you need to undertsand the order of events.... >> > >> > >> >it is God created, not created God. >> >> Where is the evidence any god ever existed? >> >> > >> > >> > >> Quote from unverified source removed. >> >> > >> > >> > >> >Maybe you people need to go back to school and learn the Inglish languagge... >> > >> > >> Quote from unverified source removed. >> > >> > >> >Look up the Defintion for the word: "In" >> > >> >then, >> > >> >Look up the Defintion for the word: "the" >> > >> >then >> > >> >Look up the Defintion for the word: "beginning" >> > >> > >> >then >> > >> > >> >Look up the Defintion for the word: (,) >> > >> > >> >Now, try to understand what the word "In" means... >> > >> >and "the" >> > >> > >> >and "beginning". >> >> I see nothing about any god in there. > > >'In the beginning, ..." has nothing to do with any god. > > >It is about understanding what 'In the beginning, ...' >is...God comes in afterwards. Please provide your evidence supporting the existence of any god. -- Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent. Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass. Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government guaranteed above average income for every person. Every illegal alien is a criminal. No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason. Deportation upon identification as the only option. If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly before you run into me.
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| From | Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> |
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| Date | 2016-05-18 16:01 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <aaa-FB9595.16015818052016@news.giganews.com> |
| In reply to | #2108799 |
In article <573CB3D7.2DA7@ix.netcom.com>, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' If everything was created, what created that God?
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2016-05-18 17:29 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <573D08F6.346C@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #2108970 |
Wisely Non-Theist wrote: > > In article <573CB3D7.2DA7@ix.netcom.com>, > The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > > 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' > > If everything was created, what created that God? 'In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.' (all your questions are answered in that one sentence) So, 'In the beginning..' https://www.google.com/#q=define+beginning 1. the point in time or space at which something starts. '...God created..' There was no creation before God..so no one created God since creation did not exist before God.. it existed after God..God created the first...create. And then you have...'the heavens and the earth.' (you failed my class) (you might be wisely but you cannot read)
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