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  Queen of Heaven The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-12 10:10 -0800
    Re: Queen of Heaven Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-03-12 20:36 +0000
      Re: Queen of Heaven The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-03-12 17:51 -0800
        Re: Queen of Heaven Davej <galt_57@hotmail.com> - 2016-03-13 09:49 -0700
    Re: Queen of Heaven Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 00:03 -0800
    Re: Queen of Heaven hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-03-13 01:51 -0800
    Re: Queen of Heaven duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-03-13 11:43 -0500
      Re: Queen of Heaven mr.hvac@gmail.com - 2016-03-13 10:11 -0700
        Re: Queen of Heaven Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-14 23:33 +0000
          Re: Queen of Heaven duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-03-15 11:03 -0500
            Re: Queen of Heaven Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-15 19:18 +0000
              Re: Queen of Heaven duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-03-16 17:36 -0500
                Re: Queen of Heaven Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 16:03 -0700
                  Re: Queen of Heaven duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-03-17 16:33 -0500
                Re: Queen of Heaven Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-17 06:03 +0000
                  Re: Queen of Heaven duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-03-17 16:34 -0500
            Re: Queen of Heaven Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 15:55 -0700
              Re: Queen of Heaven duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-03-17 16:41 -0500
        Re: Queen of Heaven John Locke <johnnydemon666@demonmail.com> - 2016-03-14 16:52 -0700
          Re: Queen of Heaven duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-03-15 11:04 -0500
            Re: Queen of Heaven John Locke <johnnydemon666@demonmail.com> - 2016-03-16 16:56 -0700
              Re: Queen of Heaven duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-03-17 16:42 -0500
            Re: Queen of Heaven "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-17 11:56 +0000
              Re: Queen of Heaven Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-17 18:49 +0000
                Re: Queen of Heaven "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-17 18:57 +0000
                  Re: Queen of Heaven Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-17 20:48 +0000
              Re: Queen of Heaven duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-03-17 16:43 -0500
        Re: Queen of Heaven Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 15:42 -0700
          Re: Queen of Heaven duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2016-03-17 16:45 -0500
        Re: Queen of Heaven hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-03-17 04:33 -0700
          Re: Queen of Heaven Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid> - 2016-03-17 18:49 +0000
      Re: Queen of Heaven John Locke <johnnydemon666@demonmail.com> - 2016-03-13 11:50 -0700
    Re: Queen of Heaven Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-03-15 08:44 -0500
      Re: Queen of Heaven Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-15 19:35 -0700
        Re: Queen of Heaven Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 08:33 -0700
          Re: Queen of Heaven Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-03-16 15:58 -0700

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#2073254 — Queen of Heaven

What is the name of The Queen of Heaven?

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#2073316

On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 10:10:54 -0800, The Starmaker wrote:

> What is the name of The Queen of Heaven?

Whatever morons like you decide it is.

-- 
Smiler, The godless one.
aa #2279
Gods are all tailored to order. They are made 
to exactly fit the prejudices of the believer.

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#2073477

Smiler wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 10:10:54 -0800, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> > What is the name of The Queen of Heaven?
> 
> Whatever morons like you decide it is.
> 


The Queen of Heaven, God's wife.. comes from the Jewish religion...are you saying the Jewish people were morons?

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#2073662

On Saturday, March 12, 2016 at 7:51:03 PM UTC-6, The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Queen of Heaven, God's wife.. 


The wife of your invisible, imaginary, long-eared friend?

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#2073590

On Saturday, 12 March 2016 18:11:10 UTC, The Starmaker  wrote:
> What is the name of The Queen of Heaven?

Hera is the Greek Goddess of Jealousy you cross-group-posting 
bastard.  Drop dead.

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#2073599

On Sunday, March 13, 2016 at 2:11:10 AM UTC+8, The Starmaker wrote:
> What is the name of The Queen of Heaven?

Another new religion in the making?
Queen instead of King for the non-existent heaven.....

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#2073659

On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 10:10:54 -0800, The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:

>What is the name of The Queen of Heaven?

Mary.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#2073665

duke 
>What is the name of The Queen of Heaven? 

Mary
-------------

Why? Mary was simply an underage victim of god's rape by proxy. She then concocted a tale of a virgin birth which Joseph was stupid enough to believe.

Honestly, the whole thing sounds like an episode of Jerry Springer

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#2074176

duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:11:30 -0700 (PDT), mr.hvac@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> duke 
>>> What is the name of The Queen of Heaven? 
>> 
>> Mary
>> -------------
> 
>> Why? Mary was simply an underage victim of god's rape by proxy.
> 
> Mary never had sex.  No rape.

Mary gave herself. Without the permission of her father or betrothed. Mary
committed sin. 
During the period of time, no woman had the right to offer herself, even to
the holy sprite.

The law was plain she should have been stoned by her father or her
betrothed.

>> She then concocted a tale of a virgin birth which Joseph was stupid enough to believe.
>> Honestly, the whole thing sounds like an episode of Jerry Springer
> 
> And I'm sure you spend a lot of time watching him.
> 
> the dukester, American-American
> 
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI
> *****

Not according to the bible. And a supposed direct quote from your christ.



-- 
Yep it is me, and Carole believes  adding 2+2 can sometimes equal 3 or 5,
and getting wrong answers means you are thinking outside the box.

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#2074578

On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 23:33:15 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:11:30 -0700 (PDT), mr.hvac@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> duke 
>>>> What is the name of The Queen of Heaven? 
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> -------------
>> 
>>> Why? Mary was simply an underage victim of god's rape by proxy.
>> 
>> Mary never had sex.  No rape.

>Mary gave herself. Without the permission of her father or betrothed. Mary
>committed sin. 
>During the period of time, no woman had the right to offer herself, even to
>the holy sprite.

Nope.  She openly stated that "she does not know man" when Gabriel advised her
that she would bear the son of God.

>The law was plain she should have been stoned by her father or her
>betrothed.

Everybody thought Joseph was the Father.

>>> She then concocted a tale of a virgin birth which Joseph was stupid enough to believe.
>>> Honestly, the whole thing sounds like an episode of Jerry Springer
 
>> And I'm sure you spend a lot of time watching him.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#2074643

duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 23:33:15 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:11:30 -0700 (PDT), mr.hvac@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> duke 
>>>>> What is the name of The Queen of Heaven? 
>>>> 
>>>> Mary
>>>> -------------
>>> 
>>>> Why? Mary was simply an underage victim of god's rape by proxy.
>>> 
>>> Mary never had sex.  No rape.
> 
>> Mary gave herself. Without the permission of her father or betrothed. Mary
>> committed sin. 
>> During the period of time, no woman had the right to offer herself, even to
>> the holy sprite.
> 
> Nope.  She openly stated that "she does not know man" when Gabriel advised her
> that she would bear the son of God.

The law which were given to Moses by god ( according the accepted fiction)
didn't allow any woman a choice. If the bible is true, then god and Mary
both sinned.

> 
>> The law was plain she should have been stoned by her father or her
>> betrothed.
> 
> Everybody thought Joseph was the Father.

And if the story is true, then he was. Nice way to save face. You do know
hat during this period of time, a betrothal was as good as being married?
Religion and history seldom match up. Cultural anthropology of that culture
and period marriage and betrothal have completely different meanings from
the period 150 years later when you babble was actually written.

>>>> She then concocted a tale of a virgin birth which Joseph was stupid enough to believe.
>>>> Honestly, the whole thing sounds like an episode of Jerry Springer
>  
>>> And I'm sure you spend a lot of time watching him.
> 
> the dukester, American-American
> 
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI
> *****

Not according a fictional Matthew citing your fictional Jesus. So the
reality is your pope is wrong or Matthew is wrong, is the pope is write
then your babble is wrong, if your babble is wrong then you pope becomes
wrong.

It's called logic and logic is not the friend of any religion.



-- 
Yep it is me, and Carole believes  adding 2+2 can sometimes equal 3 or 5,
and getting wrong answers means you are thinking outside the box.

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#2075493

On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 19:18:45 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 23:33:15 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:11:30 -0700 (PDT), mr.hvac@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> duke 
>>>>>> What is the name of The Queen of Heaven? 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mary
>>>>> -------------
>>>> 
>>>>> Why? Mary was simply an underage victim of god's rape by proxy.
>>>> 
>>>> Mary never had sex.  No rape.
>> 
>>> Mary gave herself. Without the permission of her father or betrothed. Mary
>>> committed sin. 
>>> During the period of time, no woman had the right to offer herself, even to
>>> the holy sprite.
>> 
>> Nope.  She openly stated that "she does not know man" when Gabriel advised her
>> that she would bear the son of God.

>The law which were given to Moses by god ( according the accepted fiction)
>didn't allow any woman a choice. If the bible is true, then god and Mary
>both sinned.

Intelligent people understand that here child is of God and not man.
 
>>> The law was plain she should have been stoned by her father or her
>>> betrothed.
>> 
>> Everybody thought Joseph was the Father.

>And if the story is true, then he was.

No way.  He even said as much.

Nice way to save face. You do know
>hat during this period of time, a betrothal was as good as being married?
>Religion and history seldom match up. Cultural anthropology of that culture
>and period marriage and betrothal have completely different meanings from
>the period 150 years later when you babble was actually written.
>

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#2075510

On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:36:05 PM UTC-7, duke wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 19:18:45 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
> >duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 23:33:15 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:11:30 -0700 (PDT), mr.hvac@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> duke 
> >>>>>> What is the name of The Queen of Heaven? 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Mary
> >>>>> -------------
> >>>> 
> >>>>> Why? Mary was simply an underage victim of god's rape by proxy.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Mary never had sex.  No rape.
> >> 
> >>> Mary gave herself. Without the permission of her father or betrothed. Mary
> >>> committed sin. 
> >>> During the period of time, no woman had the right to offer herself, even to
> >>> the holy sprite.
> >> 
> >> Nope.  She openly stated that "she does not know man" when Gabriel advised her
> >> that she would bear the son of God.
> 
> >The law which were given to Moses by god ( according the accepted fiction)
> >didn't allow any woman a choice. If the bible is true, then god and Mary
> >both sinned.
> 
> Intelligent people understand that here child is of God and not man.
>  

Intelligent people know this is just the Christian version of a myth that had been used in many other religious origin stories.  Intelligent people know the whole thing is nonsense and never happened.  

> >>> The law was plain she should have been stoned by her father or her
> >>> betrothed.
> >> 
> >> Everybody thought Joseph was the Father.
> 
> >And if the story is true, then he was.
> 
> No way.  He even said as much.
> 

That maybe what it says in your book of fiction called the Bible, but it hardly makes it true.  Given the lack of truth or connection to reality in the Bible, everything is suspect.

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#2075954

On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 16:03:05 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
<youngblood2949@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, March 16, 2016 at 3:36:05 PM UTC-7, duke wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 19:18:45 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 23:33:15 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>> >>>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:11:30 -0700 (PDT), mr.hvac@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>> 
>> >>>>> duke 
>> >>>>>> What is the name of The Queen of Heaven? 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> Mary
>> >>>>> -------------
>> >>>> 
>> >>>>> Why? Mary was simply an underage victim of god's rape by proxy.
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Mary never had sex.  No rape.
>> >> 
>> >>> Mary gave herself. Without the permission of her father or betrothed. Mary
>> >>> committed sin. 
>> >>> During the period of time, no woman had the right to offer herself, even to
>> >>> the holy sprite.
>> >> 
>> >> Nope.  She openly stated that "she does not know man" when Gabriel advised her
>> >> that she would bear the son of God.
>> 
>> >The law which were given to Moses by god ( according the accepted fiction)
>> >didn't allow any woman a choice. If the bible is true, then god and Mary
>> >both sinned.
>> 
>> Intelligent people understand that there child is of God and not man.

>Intelligent people know this is just the Christian version of a myth that had been used in many other religious origin stories.  Intelligent people know the whole thing is nonsense and never happened.  

She said he did not know man.
>
>> >>> The law was plain she should have been stoned by her father or her
>> >>> betrothed.
>> >> 
>> >> Everybody thought Joseph was the Father.
>> 
>> >And if the story is true, then he was.
>> 
>> No way.  He even said as much.

>That maybe what it says in your book of fiction called the Bible, but it hardly makes it true.  Given the lack of truth or connection to reality in the Bible, everything is suspect.

Nobody can say if they had sex after Jesus was born.   But no sex before Jesus
was born says that Jesus is of God.

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#2075635

duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 19:18:45 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
>> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 23:33:15 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:11:30 -0700 (PDT), mr.hvac@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> duke 
>>>>>>> What is the name of The Queen of Heaven? 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>> -------------
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Why? Mary was simply an underage victim of god's rape by proxy.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mary never had sex.  No rape.
>>> 
>>>> Mary gave herself. Without the permission of her father or betrothed. Mary
>>>> committed sin. 
>>>> During the period of time, no woman had the right to offer herself, even to
>>>> the holy sprite.
>>> 
>>> Nope.  She openly stated that "she does not know man" when Gabriel advised her
>>> that she would bear the son of God.
> 
>> The law which were given to Moses by god ( according the accepted fiction)
>> didn't allow any woman a choice. If the bible is true, then god and Mary
>> both sinned.
> 
> Intelligent people understand that here child is of God and not man.

Well duke you are not intelligent, and you seem to be psychologically
delusional.

There does seem to be this god,,which you claim. Belief in imaginary beings
is a sign of mental illness.

>>>> The law was plain she should have been stoned by her father or her
>>>> betrothed.
>>> 
>>> Everybody thought Joseph was the Father.
> 
>> And if the story is true, then he was.
> 
> No way.  He even said as much.
> 
> Nice way to save face. You do know
>> hat during this period of time, a betrothal was as good as being married?
>> Religion and history seldom match up. Cultural anthropology of that culture
>> and period marriage and betrothal have completely different meanings from
>> the period 150 years later when you babble was actually written.
>> 
> 
> the dukester, American-American
> 
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI
> *****
> 



-- 
Yep it is me, and Carole believes  adding 2+2 can sometimes equal 3 or 5,
and getting wrong answers means you are thinking outside the box.

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#2075955

On Thu, 17 Mar 2016 06:03:04 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Mar 2016 19:18:45 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 23:33:15 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:11:30 -0700 (PDT), mr.hvac@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> duke 
>>>>>>>> What is the name of The Queen of Heaven? 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>> -------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Why? Mary was simply an underage victim of god's rape by proxy.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mary never had sex.  No rape.
>>>> 
>>>>> Mary gave herself. Without the permission of her father or betrothed. Mary
>>>>> committed sin. 
>>>>> During the period of time, no woman had the right to offer herself, even to
>>>>> the holy sprite.
>>>> 
>>>> Nope.  She openly stated that "she does not know man" when Gabriel advised her
>>>> that she would bear the son of God.
>> 
>>> The law which were given to Moses by god ( according the accepted fiction)
>>> didn't allow any woman a choice. If the bible is true, then god and Mary
>>> both sinned.
>> 
>> Intelligent people understand that here child is of God and not man.

>Well duke you are not intelligent, and you seem to be psychologically
>delusional.
>There does seem to be this god,,which you claim. Belief in imaginary beings
>is a sign of mental illness.

Only an atheist wannabe could qualify there.
>
>>>>> The law was plain she should have been stoned by her father or her
>>>>> betrothed.
>>>> 
>>>> Everybody thought Joseph was the Father.
>> 
>>> And if the story is true, then he was.
>> 
>> No way.  He even said as much.
>> 
>> Nice way to save face. You do know
>>> hat during this period of time, a betrothal was as good as being married?
>>> Religion and history seldom match up. Cultural anthropology of that culture
>>> and period marriage and betrothal have completely different meanings from
>>> the period 150 years later when you babble was actually written.
>>> 
>> 
>> the dukester, American-American
>> 
>> *****
>> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>> Pope Paul VI
>> *****
>> 

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#2075502

On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 9:03:21 AM UTC-7, duke wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 23:33:15 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
> 
> >duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:11:30 -0700 (PDT), mr.hvac@gmail.com wrote:
> >> 
> >>> duke 
> >>>> What is the name of The Queen of Heaven? 
> >>> 
> >>> Mary
> >>> -------------
> >> 
> >>> Why? Mary was simply an underage victim of god's rape by proxy.
> >> 
> >> Mary never had sex.  No rape.
> 
> >Mary gave herself. Without the permission of her father or betrothed. Mary
> >committed sin. 
> >During the period of time, no woman had the right to offer herself, even to
> >the holy sprite.
> 
> Nope.  She openly stated that "she does not know man" when Gabriel advised her
> that she would bear the son of God.
> 
> >The law was plain she should have been stoned by her father or her
> >betrothed.
> 
> Everybody thought Joseph was the Father.
> 
Except maybe Joseph, who appears to be dumb as a rock.

Most likely Joseph was so stupid and superstitious that he believed Mary and allowed her to bear another man's child.  To keep up the lie they told Jesus that he was the son of God.  No wonder he went off on a tangent and tried to convince everyone he was part of the holy trinity.  Essentially, his parents drove him nuts and created a religious monster.

Or even more likely, as history has shown us, none of it ever happened, it's just another steaming pile of bullshit concocted by some Bronze Age idiots who wanted things run their way.


http://jdstone.org/cr/files/nohistoricalevidenceofjesus.html
There is no historical reference to Jesus' life, death or the crucifixion--nothing at all. John E. Remsburg, in his classic book The Christ: A Critical Review and Analysis of the Evidence of His Existence1 lists the following contemporary historians/writers who lived during the time, or within a century after the time, that Jesus was supposed to have lived:

Apollonius Persius                                    Appian Petronius
Arrian Phaedrus                                        Aulus Gellius Philo-Judaeus
Columella Phlegon                                    Damis Pliny the Elder
Dio Chrysostom Pliny the Younger             Dion Pruseus Plutarch
Epictetus Pompon Mela                             Favorinus Ptolemy
Florus Lucius Quintilian                             Hermogones Quintius Curtius
Josephus Seneca                                       Justus of Tiberius Silius Italicus
Juvenal Statius                                          Lucanus Suetonius
Lucian Tacitus                                           Lysias Theon of Smyran
Martial Valerius Flaccus                             Paterculus Valerius Maximus
Pausanias

According to Remsburg,

"Enough of the writings of the authors named in the foregoing list remains to form a library. Yet in this mass of Jewish and Pagan literature, aside from two forged passages in the works of a Jewish author, and two disputed passages in the works of Roman writers, there is to be found no mention of Jesus Christ."

Nor, we may add, do any of these authors make note of the disciples or apostles; increasing the embarrassment from the silence of history concerning the foundation of Christianity. In other words, the only information of the life of Jesus comes from Christian believers.

Reason would dictate that if all the miracles which Jesus supposedly performed or surrounded him:

1. Being born of a virgin mother;

2. Three Magi following the brightest star forever to see the demigod;

3. The slaying of the innocent babies;

4. Raising the dead, healing the blind and lame;

4. Having the sky turn to blackness when Jesus died;

5. Earthquakes in the region;

6. The zombie saints coming out of their graves going to Jerusalem; and

7. The Resurrection.

that at least one of these world headline news events would have at least a small mention by at least one of the foregoing historian and writers. But, NO, they are totally silent! 

Only Christian writers wrote about this. Do you think they were biased? Were the stories true or did these writers just continue the myth? Were they trying to promote a new religion, based upon Paul using the Jesus' myth? And so the fiction continues to this day.

Pastors today, often when they talk to a disbelieves in Jesus, often ask; -- not expecting an answer, but designed to throw the missionary 'target' off balance -- "Was Jesus a fraud, a liar, a lunatic?" Isn't it strange that they never mention that the Christian bible records that even Jesus' direct family thought he was mad? And Mary, his mother never thought of him as "divine." 

ABC News, and Peter Jennings could not go far enough in their presentation a few years ago of the Historical Jesus. Jennings presentation did not convince his audience without any benefit of doubt that Jesus existed, other than in mythical form.  Dr. James Kennedy, of Orlando, Fla. (The famous Presbyterian minister with several Doctorate degrees in Theology and former aid to Billy Graham) also, could not come up with any real evidence on his TV show to refute Peter Jennings or others from Oxford University on the lack of historical evidence.   

Evangelical Christians will not accept real proof, for they feel the professors at Oxford and anywhere else who claim Jesus did not exist are liberals or atheist of sorts.

Christians have said to Jews who reject Jesus, 'OK...let's see you provide historical evidence for the existence of characters in the Hebrew bible. i.e. Moses or Noah. However, in this line of reasoning, Christians forget that they have already accepted the Hebrew bible; that the episodes  told therein actually happened. That is why a version of the Old Testament is located at the front of the Christian bible for reference and authority.

Those 21 great writers of the Greco-Roman world, whose combined work would fill a library did not write or allude to any thesis that god became man, walked the earth, died, was resurrected, and is now the Invisible Man in the Sky. There is not a single third party historical witness for confirmation, and not one single mention of a god walking the earth in any of the volumes of the combined work from the great writers of the period.  

Again, I restate the obvious, yet in this mass of literature, "aside from two forged passages in the works of a Jewish author, and two disputed passages in the works of Roman writers, there is to be found no mention of Jesus Christ." Nor, do any of these authors make note of the disciples or apostles; increasing the embarrassment from the silence of history concerning the foundation of Christianity. In other words, the only information on the life of Jesus comes from Christian believers.

This alone should make anyone think twice before swallowing--hook, line and sinker--the Christian dead man-god myth -- or, for that matter, any Abrahamic Derivative Religion (ADR), for they are all F3 -- False, Fictitious and Foolish.

The Hebrew bible, like the Christian New Testament, is fictitious; from a 6-day creation of the universe; a cunning, walking, talking snake; big fish tales; world flood and an "Invisible Man in the Sky" -- it is all fiction, a bold sham perpetrated on mankind.

 

"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe." -Carl Sagan (1934-1996)

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#2075960

On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 15:55:07 -0700 (PDT), Cloud Hobbit
<youngblood2949@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, March 15, 2016 at 9:03:21 AM UTC-7, duke wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 23:33:15 +0000 (UTC), Bob Officer <no_email@invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:11:30 -0700 (PDT), mr.hvac@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> 
>> >>> duke 
>> >>>> What is the name of The Queen of Heaven? 
>> >>> 
>> >>> Mary
>> >>> -------------
>> >> 
>> >>> Why? Mary was simply an underage victim of god's rape by proxy.
>> >> 
>> >> Mary never had sex.  No rape.
>> 
>> >Mary gave herself. Without the permission of her father or betrothed. Mary
>> >committed sin. 
>> >During the period of time, no woman had the right to offer herself, even to
>> >the holy sprite.
>> 
>> Nope.  She openly stated that "she does not know man" when Gabriel advised her
>> that she would bear the son of God.
>> 
>> >The law was plain she should have been stoned by her father or her
>> >betrothed.
>> 
>> Everybody thought Joseph was the Father.
>> 
>Except maybe Joseph, who appears to be dumb as a rock.

Except that he  was 91+ and Mary was 14.

>Most likely Joseph was so stupid and superstitious that he believed Mary and allowed her to bear another man's child.  To keep up the lie they told Jesus that he was the son of God.  No wonder he went off on a tangent and tried to convince everyone he was part of the holy trinity.  Essentially, his parents drove him nuts and created a religious monster.

If they had caught a young stud and a young  girl running around the desert
unescorted, they would have stoned both to death.  Joseph was a chaperon.

>Or even more likely, as history has shown us, none of it ever happened, it's just another steaming pile of bullshit concocted by some Bronze Age idiots who wanted things run their way.

You're not using your head.  You watched too many movies showing Joseph as a
young stud.


>"Enough of the writings of the authors named in the foregoing list remains to form a library. Yet in this mass of Jewish and Pagan literature, aside from two forged passages in the works of a Jewish author, and two disputed passages in the works of Roman writers, there is to be found no mention of Jesus Christ."
>Nor, we may add, do any of these authors make note of the disciples or apostles; increasing the embarrassment from the silence of history concerning the foundation of Christianity. In other words, the only information of the life of Jesus comes from Christian believers.
>Reason would dictate that if all the miracles which Jesus supposedly performed or surrounded him:

>1. Being born of a virgin mother;

You don't know what a virgin is, do you.

the dukester, American-American

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#2074188

On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 18:05:01 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:11:30 -0700 (PDT), mr.hvac@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>duke 
>>>What is the name of The Queen of Heaven? 
>>
>>Mary
>>-------------
>
>>Why? Mary was simply an underage victim of god's rape by proxy.
>
>Mary never had sex.  No rape.
>
...if this nonsense were true, then she would have been coercively
violated. So just think, you've got a religion based on the violation
of  an innocent, naive underage young girl. You should be ashamed.

>> She then concocted a tale of a virgin birth which Joseph was stupid enough to believe.
>>Honestly, the whole thing sounds like an episode of Jerry Springer
>
>And I'm sure you spend a lot of time watching him.
>
>the dukester, American-American
>
>*****
>"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
>Pope Paul VI
>*****

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#2074580

On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 16:52:11 -0700, John Locke <johnnydemon666@demonmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 18:05:01 -0500, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 13 Mar 2016 10:11:30 -0700 (PDT), mr.hvac@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>duke 
>>>>What is the name of The Queen of Heaven? 
>>>
>>>Mary
>>>-------------
>>
>>>Why? Mary was simply an underage victim of god's rape by proxy.
>>
>>Mary never had sex.  No rape.
>>
>...if this nonsense were true, then she would have been coercively
>violated. So just think, you've got a religion based on the violation
>of  an innocent, naive underage young girl. You should be ashamed.

Who violated her?  She was a virgin at the birth of Jesus, ie, not knowing man.


the dukester, American-American

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Pope Paul VI
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