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  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-27 17:33 +0800
    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-27 16:41 -0400
      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:58 +0800
        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-28 09:25 -0400
          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-29 11:27 +0800
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 01:15 -0400
            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-29 05:09 -0400
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:18 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 10:00 -0400
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-30 10:06 -0500
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. HVAC <Mr.HVAC@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 11:44 -0400
              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:40 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-29 22:18 -0400
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-30 10:07 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-30 11:18 -0400
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-31 05:35 -0400
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-31 10:12 -0700
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-09-01 02:57 -0400
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-01 01:11 -0700
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-01 11:07 -0700
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-30 12:08 -0700
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-30 23:38 -0700
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-31 05:37 -0400
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-31 10:08 -0700
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-09-01 02:57 -0400
                    Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2015-08-31 05:36 -0400
                      Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-02 12:18 -0700
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 23:57 -0400
                        Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-02 21:15 -0700
                          Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-04 00:46 -0700
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-04 13:27 -0700
                            Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-08 00:17 -0700
                              Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-09-09 00:29 -0400
                                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-09-08 22:46 -0700
                                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2015-09-10 00:11 -0400
                Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-30 10:07 -0500
                  Re: Atheism is based on beliefs, not science. niunian <niunian@ymail.com> - 2015-08-30 11:26 -0400

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#1973123

Attila < wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:40:43 -0400, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
> alt.atheism with message-id <mrs95u$tf5$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
> 
> > "If a tree fell down in the
> >forest and no one was around, did it make a sound?" It was meant to test
> >the student's understanding about the reality. If you answer yes, it
> >shows you have no understanding about Buddhist philosophy. If you answer
> >no, then you have contradicted with the law of nature. The correct
> >answer, as I have given you, is not sure.
> 
> If  a tree falls it creates a disturbance in the air.  That is
> unavoidable.  A disturbance sets up waves in the air in which pressure
> varies according to specific physical laws.  These waves are defined
> as sound.  It doesn't matter if anyone is there to hear them or not.
> They will be created by every such disturbance.
> 
> In fact, if a recorder is present that recorder will make a record of
> the sound even though no one is there to hear it.  And that record
> will exist whether it is ever heard by anyone or not.


If no one is there to hear the sound,  it doesn't make a sound.

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#1973526

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Attila < wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:40:43 -0400, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
> > alt.atheism with message-id <mrs95u$tf5$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
> >
> > > "If a tree fell down in the
> > >forest and no one was around, did it make a sound?" It was meant to test
> > >the student's understanding about the reality. If you answer yes, it
> > >shows you have no understanding about Buddhist philosophy. If you answer
> > >no, then you have contradicted with the law of nature. The correct
> > >answer, as I have given you, is not sure.
> >
> > If  a tree falls it creates a disturbance in the air.  That is
> > unavoidable.  A disturbance sets up waves in the air in which pressure
> > varies according to specific physical laws.  These waves are defined
> > as sound.  It doesn't matter if anyone is there to hear them or not.
> > They will be created by every such disturbance.
> >
> > In fact, if a recorder is present that recorder will make a record of
> > the sound even though no one is there to hear it.  And that record
> > will exist whether it is ever heard by anyone or not.
> 
> If no one is there to hear the sound,  it doesn't make a sound.


In other words, tape recorders don't have ears, so they cannot hear
sounds.

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#1973551

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 23:38:30 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<55E3F666.7E90@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>The Starmaker wrote:
>> 
>> Attila < wrote:
>> >
>> > On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:40:43 -0400, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
>> > alt.atheism with message-id <mrs95u$tf5$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>> >
>> > > "If a tree fell down in the
>> > >forest and no one was around, did it make a sound?" It was meant to test
>> > >the student's understanding about the reality. If you answer yes, it
>> > >shows you have no understanding about Buddhist philosophy. If you answer
>> > >no, then you have contradicted with the law of nature. The correct
>> > >answer, as I have given you, is not sure.
>> >
>> > If  a tree falls it creates a disturbance in the air.  That is
>> > unavoidable.  A disturbance sets up waves in the air in which pressure
>> > varies according to specific physical laws.  These waves are defined
>> > as sound.  It doesn't matter if anyone is there to hear them or not.
>> > They will be created by every such disturbance.
>> >
>> > In fact, if a recorder is present that recorder will make a record of
>> > the sound even though no one is there to hear it.  And that record
>> > will exist whether it is ever heard by anyone or not.
>> 
>> If no one is there to hear the sound,  it doesn't make a sound.
>
>
>In other words, tape recorders don't have ears, so they cannot hear
>sounds.

According to you there is nothing to record.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#1973799

Attila < wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 23:38:30 -0700, The Starmaker
> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
> <55E3F666.7E90@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> >The Starmaker wrote:
> >>
> >> Attila < wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:40:43 -0400, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
> >> > alt.atheism with message-id <mrs95u$tf5$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > "If a tree fell down in the
> >> > >forest and no one was around, did it make a sound?" It was meant to test
> >> > >the student's understanding about the reality. If you answer yes, it
> >> > >shows you have no understanding about Buddhist philosophy. If you answer
> >> > >no, then you have contradicted with the law of nature. The correct
> >> > >answer, as I have given you, is not sure.
> >> >
> >> > If  a tree falls it creates a disturbance in the air.  That is
> >> > unavoidable.  A disturbance sets up waves in the air in which pressure
> >> > varies according to specific physical laws.  These waves are defined
> >> > as sound.  It doesn't matter if anyone is there to hear them or not.
> >> > They will be created by every such disturbance.
> >> >
> >> > In fact, if a recorder is present that recorder will make a record of
> >> > the sound even though no one is there to hear it.  And that record
> >> > will exist whether it is ever heard by anyone or not.
> >>
> >> If no one is there to hear the sound,  it doesn't make a sound.
> >
> >
> >In other words, tape recorders don't have ears, so they cannot hear
> >sounds.
> 
> According to you there is nothing to record.


Not according to me....it might record something, but it won't be
sounds.


unless of course the tape recorder grows ears.

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#1974254

On Mon, 31 Aug 2015 10:08:02 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<55E489F2.457@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>> 
>> On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 23:38:30 -0700, The Starmaker
>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <55E3F666.7E90@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>> 
>> >The Starmaker wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Attila < wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:40:43 -0400, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
>> >> > alt.atheism with message-id <mrs95u$tf5$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > "If a tree fell down in the
>> >> > >forest and no one was around, did it make a sound?" It was meant to test
>> >> > >the student's understanding about the reality. If you answer yes, it
>> >> > >shows you have no understanding about Buddhist philosophy. If you answer
>> >> > >no, then you have contradicted with the law of nature. The correct
>> >> > >answer, as I have given you, is not sure.
>> >> >
>> >> > If  a tree falls it creates a disturbance in the air.  That is
>> >> > unavoidable.  A disturbance sets up waves in the air in which pressure
>> >> > varies according to specific physical laws.  These waves are defined
>> >> > as sound.  It doesn't matter if anyone is there to hear them or not.
>> >> > They will be created by every such disturbance.
>> >> >
>> >> > In fact, if a recorder is present that recorder will make a record of
>> >> > the sound even though no one is there to hear it.  And that record
>> >> > will exist whether it is ever heard by anyone or not.
>> >>
>> >> If no one is there to hear the sound,  it doesn't make a sound.
>> >
>> >
>> >In other words, tape recorders don't have ears, so they cannot hear
>> >sounds.
>> 
>> According to you there is nothing to record.
>
>
>Not according to me....it might record something, but it won't be
>sounds.
>
>
>unless of course the tape recorder grows ears.

What else does a tape recorder record if not sounds?

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#1973550

On Sun, 30 Aug 2015 12:08:57 -0700, The Starmaker
<starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<55E354C9.3D3A@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>Attila < wrote:
>> 
>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:40:43 -0400, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrs95u$tf5$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>> 
>> > "If a tree fell down in the
>> >forest and no one was around, did it make a sound?" It was meant to test
>> >the student's understanding about the reality. If you answer yes, it
>> >shows you have no understanding about Buddhist philosophy. If you answer
>> >no, then you have contradicted with the law of nature. The correct
>> >answer, as I have given you, is not sure.
>> 
>> If  a tree falls it creates a disturbance in the air.  That is
>> unavoidable.  A disturbance sets up waves in the air in which pressure
>> varies according to specific physical laws.  These waves are defined
>> as sound.  It doesn't matter if anyone is there to hear them or not.
>> They will be created by every such disturbance.
>> 
>> In fact, if a recorder is present that recorder will make a record of
>> the sound even though no one is there to hear it.  And that record
>> will exist whether it is ever heard by anyone or not.
>
>
>If no one is there to hear the sound,  it doesn't make a sound.

See my reply to a prior post.

--
Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting and abhorrent.

Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying, especially 
those proposed by His Imperial Majesty Emperor Ass.

Any day now I expect some liberal to demand a government 
guaranteed above average income for every person.

Every illegal alien is a criminal.
No amnesty or work permit under any name or for any reason.
Deportation upon identification as the only option.

If you must text and drive please kill yourself quickly
before you run into me.

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#1975401

Most atheist
   believe
 the universe is 
mathematical.

I mean, they actually
believe the universe is
Mathematical.

But, if i go
to the moon
and look around..
i don't see any mathematics.

i don't see any...numbers.

If i go to Mars

i don't see any mathematics.

i don't see any...numbers.

Where is this
mathematics
they are seeing?

Is it hidden??


Because, it only exist in their mind.

Mathematics is based on belief, not science.


Atheist believe in the hidden, the unseen..

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#1975749

Date-Marshmallow Waldorf Salad

Prep
20 m
Ready In
1 h 20 m

Ingredients
2 cups peeled, diced tart apples
1 tablespoon white sugar
1 teaspoon lemon juice
1 pinch salt
1/2 cup chopped celery

1/2 cup chopped pitted dates
1/2 cup chopped walnuts
1/4 cup mayonnaise
1/2 cup heavy cream
1/4 cup miniature marshmallows

Directions
Place the apples in a medium serving bowl and sprinkle with sugar, lemon 
juice and salt. Stir in the celery, dates and walnuts. In a separate 
bowl, whip the cream with an electric mixer until it can hold a peak. 
Mix in mayonnaise and gently fold into the apple mixture along with the 
marshmallows. Refrigerate for at least 1 hour before serving.

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#1975754

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Most atheist
>    believe
>  the universe is
> mathematical.
> 
> I mean, they actually
> believe the universe is
> Mathematical.
> 
> But, if i go
> to the moon
> and look around..
> i don't see any mathematics.
> 
> i don't see any...numbers.
> 
> If i go to Mars
> 
> i don't see any mathematics.
> 
> i don't see any...numbers.
> 
> Where is this
> mathematics
> they are seeing?
> 
> Is it hidden??
> 
> Because, it only exist in their mind.
> 
> Mathematics is based on belief, not science.
> 
> Atheist believe in the hidden, the unseen..



Let me go back and look at the picture of Mars...I could've sworn I saw
36-26-36.

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#1976481

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > Most atheist
> >    believe
> >  the universe is
> > mathematical.
> >
> > I mean, they actually
> > believe the universe is
> > Mathematical.
> >
> > But, if i go
> > to the moon
> > and look around..
> > i don't see any mathematics.
> >
> > i don't see any...numbers.
> >
> > If i go to Mars
> >
> > i don't see any mathematics.
> >
> > i don't see any...numbers.
> >
> > Where is this
> > mathematics
> > they are seeing?
> >
> > Is it hidden??
> >
> > Because, it only exist in their mind.
> >
> > Mathematics is based on belief, not science.
> >
> > Atheist believe in the hidden, the unseen..
> 
> Let me go back and look at the picture of Mars...I could've sworn I saw
> 36-26-36.

no, it's just a rock..


There's gotta be somewhere in the universe where math or numbers can be found? It's hiding somewhere, but where??

Atheist scientists seem to believe the universe is mathematical...but I don't see any numbers in the sky.

What planet is it on? Maybe on a atsteroid or comet maybe...

What place is this ...mathematics in? 

It has to be...somewhere?

Pluto??


I need to write a book, The Mathematical Delusion...


It's a book about a group of people on earth who believe that the universe is mathematical but they have no
proof that it exist anywhere else except in their own mind.

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#1976811

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > Most atheist
> > >    believe
> > >  the universe is
> > > mathematical.
> > >
> > > I mean, they actually
> > > believe the universe is
> > > Mathematical.
> > >
> > > But, if i go
> > > to the moon
> > > and look around..
> > > i don't see any mathematics.
> > >
> > > i don't see any...numbers.
> > >
> > > If i go to Mars
> > >
> > > i don't see any mathematics.
> > >
> > > i don't see any...numbers.
> > >
> > > Where is this
> > > mathematics
> > > they are seeing?
> > >
> > > Is it hidden??
> > >
> > > Because, it only exist in their mind.
> > >
> > > Mathematics is based on belief, not science.
> > >
> > > Atheist believe in the hidden, the unseen..
> >
> > Let me go back and look at the picture of Mars...I could've sworn I saw
> > 36-26-36.
> 
> no, it's just a rock..
> 
> There's gotta be somewhere in the universe where math or numbers can be found? It's hiding somewhere, but where??
> 
> Atheist scientists seem to believe the universe is mathematical...but I don't see any numbers in the sky.
> 
> What planet is it on? Maybe on a atsteroid or comet maybe...
> 
> What place is this ...mathematics in?
> 
> It has to be...somewhere?
> 
> Pluto??
> 
> I need to write a book, The Mathematical Delusion...
> 
> It's a book about a group of people on earth who believe that the universe is mathematical but they have no
> proof that it exist anywhere else except in their own mind.


If I believe that the uninverse is mathematical...i would be imagining
things, wouldn't I?


I would be seeing that which is not there.

Maybe i would be...projecting it.

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#1978850

The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > Most atheist
> > >    believe
> > >  the universe is
> > > mathematical.
> > >
> > > I mean, they actually
> > > believe the universe is
> > > Mathematical.
> > >
> > > But, if i go
> > > to the moon
> > > and look around..
> > > i don't see any mathematics.
> > >
> > > i don't see any...numbers.
> > >
> > > If i go to Mars
> > >
> > > i don't see any mathematics.
> > >
> > > i don't see any...numbers.
> > >
> > > Where is this
> > > mathematics
> > > they are seeing?
> > >
> > > Is it hidden??
> > >
> > > Because, it only exist in their mind.
> > >
> > > Mathematics is based on belief, not science.
> > >
> > > Atheist believe in the hidden, the unseen..
> >
> > Let me go back and look at the picture of Mars...I could've sworn I saw
> > 36-26-36.
> 
> no, it's just a rock..
> 
> There's gotta be somewhere in the universe where math or numbers can be found? It's hiding somewhere, but where??
> 
> Atheist scientists seem to believe the universe is mathematical...but I don't see any numbers in the sky.
> 
> What planet is it on? Maybe on a atsteroid or comet maybe...
> 
> What place is this ...mathematics in?
> 
> It has to be...somewhere?
> 
> Pluto??
> 
> I need to write a book, The Mathematical Delusion...
> 
> It's a book about a group of people on earth who believe that the universe is mathematical but they have no
> proof that it exist anywhere else except in their own mind.



and of course if you believe the universe is mathematical, then you must
believe there is a ...Mathematician.

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#1979311

Le 2015-09-08 03:17, The Starmaker a écrit :
> The Starmaker wrote:
>>
>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>
>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Most atheist
>>>>     believe
>>>>   the universe is
>>>> mathematical.
>>>>
>>>> I mean, they actually
>>>> believe the universe is
>>>> Mathematical.
>>>>
>>>> But, if i go
>>>> to the moon
>>>> and look around..
>>>> i don't see any mathematics.
>>>>
>>>> i don't see any...numbers.
>>>>
>>>> If i go to Mars
>>>>
>>>> i don't see any mathematics.
>>>>
>>>> i don't see any...numbers.
>>>>
>>>> Where is this
>>>> mathematics
>>>> they are seeing?
>>>>
>>>> Is it hidden??
>>>>
>>>> Because, it only exist in their mind.
>>>>
>>>> Mathematics is based on belief, not science.
>>>>
>>>> Atheist believe in the hidden, the unseen..
>>>
>>> Let me go back and look at the picture of Mars...I could've sworn I saw
>>> 36-26-36.
>>
>> no, it's just a rock..
>>
>> There's gotta be somewhere in the universe where math or numbers can be found? It's hiding somewhere, but where??
>>
>> Atheist scientists seem to believe the universe is mathematical...but I don't see any numbers in the sky.
>>
>> What planet is it on? Maybe on a atsteroid or comet maybe...
>>
>> What place is this ...mathematics in?
>>
>> It has to be...somewhere?
>>
>> Pluto??
>>
>> I need to write a book, The Mathematical Delusion...
>>
>> It's a book about a group of people on earth who believe that the universe is mathematical but they have no
>> proof that it exist anywhere else except in their own mind.
>
>
>
> and of course if you believe the universe is mathematical, then you must
> believe there is a ...Mathematician.

If you believe the universe had a creator, then the creator needs to 
have been created. It's simple logic.


-- 
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division

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#1979327

Olrik wrote:
> 
> Le 2015-09-08 03:17, The Starmaker a écrit :
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> >>
> >> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The Starmaker wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Most atheist
> >>>>     believe
> >>>>   the universe is
> >>>> mathematical.
> >>>>
> >>>> I mean, they actually
> >>>> believe the universe is
> >>>> Mathematical.
> >>>>
> >>>> But, if i go
> >>>> to the moon
> >>>> and look around..
> >>>> i don't see any mathematics.
> >>>>
> >>>> i don't see any...numbers.
> >>>>
> >>>> If i go to Mars
> >>>>
> >>>> i don't see any mathematics.
> >>>>
> >>>> i don't see any...numbers.
> >>>>
> >>>> Where is this
> >>>> mathematics
> >>>> they are seeing?
> >>>>
> >>>> Is it hidden??
> >>>>
> >>>> Because, it only exist in their mind.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mathematics is based on belief, not science.
> >>>>
> >>>> Atheist believe in the hidden, the unseen..
> >>>
> >>> Let me go back and look at the picture of Mars...I could've sworn I saw
> >>> 36-26-36.
> >>
> >> no, it's just a rock..
> >>
> >> There's gotta be somewhere in the universe where math or numbers can be found? It's hiding somewhere, but where??
> >>
> >> Atheist scientists seem to believe the universe is mathematical...but I don't see any numbers in the sky.
> >>
> >> What planet is it on? Maybe on a atsteroid or comet maybe...
> >>
> >> What place is this ...mathematics in?
> >>
> >> It has to be...somewhere?
> >>
> >> Pluto??
> >>
> >> I need to write a book, The Mathematical Delusion...
> >>
> >> It's a book about a group of people on earth who believe that the universe is mathematical but they have no
> >> proof that it exist anywhere else except in their own mind.
> >
> >
> >
> > and of course if you believe the universe is mathematical, then you must
> > believe there is a ...Mathematician.
> 
> If you believe the universe had a creator, then the creator needs to
> have been created. It's simple logic.


A creator is only one person. 


Before God created the universe...
He did not exist.

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#1979886

Le 2015-09-09 01:46, The Starmaker a écrit :
> Olrik wrote:
>>
>> Le 2015-09-08 03:17, The Starmaker a écrit :
>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most atheist
>>>>>>      believe
>>>>>>    the universe is
>>>>>> mathematical.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I mean, they actually
>>>>>> believe the universe is
>>>>>> Mathematical.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But, if i go
>>>>>> to the moon
>>>>>> and look around..
>>>>>> i don't see any mathematics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i don't see any...numbers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If i go to Mars
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i don't see any mathematics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i don't see any...numbers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where is this
>>>>>> mathematics
>>>>>> they are seeing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is it hidden??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because, it only exist in their mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mathematics is based on belief, not science.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Atheist believe in the hidden, the unseen..
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me go back and look at the picture of Mars...I could've sworn I saw
>>>>> 36-26-36.
>>>>
>>>> no, it's just a rock..
>>>>
>>>> There's gotta be somewhere in the universe where math or numbers can be found? It's hiding somewhere, but where??
>>>>
>>>> Atheist scientists seem to believe the universe is mathematical...but I don't see any numbers in the sky.
>>>>
>>>> What planet is it on? Maybe on a atsteroid or comet maybe...
>>>>
>>>> What place is this ...mathematics in?
>>>>
>>>> It has to be...somewhere?
>>>>
>>>> Pluto??
>>>>
>>>> I need to write a book, The Mathematical Delusion...
>>>>
>>>> It's a book about a group of people on earth who believe that the universe is mathematical but they have no
>>>> proof that it exist anywhere else except in their own mind.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> and of course if you believe the universe is mathematical, then you must
>>> believe there is a ...Mathematician.
>>
>> If you believe the universe had a creator, then the creator needs to
>> have been created. It's simple logic.
>
>
> A creator is only one person.
>
>
> Before God created the universe...
> He did not exist.

But bacon does.

-- 
Olrik
aa #1981
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division

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#1972970

On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:40:43 -0400, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote:

>On 15-08-29 05:09 AM, Attila < wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:45 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrr8pb$rul$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2015-08-28 09:25 PM, Attila < wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:58:12 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrom69$ae3$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> It's all because you actually believe it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently you think all of reality is based upon belief.  I am
>>>>>> curious.  If there is something that no one knows about - an entirely
>>>>>> new thing such as a plant or animal or cave - does this thing exist or
>>>>>> not exist?  Remember, if no one knows about it then no one can have
>>>>>> any kind of a belief about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> If something does not exist, then you or anyone else would not have
>>>>> mentioned it. The fact you are now mentioning it, its existence has
>>>>> become uncertain. So there is no way to answer your question until I can
>>>>> verify its existence.
>>>>
>>>> Nonsense.  People talk about things that don't exist frequently.  The
>>>> Tooth Fairy, gods, all sorts of literary fiction.  The list is large.
>>>
>>> They are talking about things they know they don't exist. You are
>>> talking about a thing that exists but no one knows. You neglected
>>> yourself being the one who actually knows. The fact you know it exists
>>> has ensured its existence. For me, I have to check to find out whether
>>> you are lying or not. So its existence is uncertain.
>>
>> You are practiced in saying a lot without any content aren't you?
>
>Not really. Your question somehow is very similar to a Buddhist 
>philosophical question. It was like this: "If a tree fell down in the 
>forest and no one was around, did it make a sound?" It was meant to test 
>the student's understanding about the reality. If you answer yes, it 
>shows you have no understanding about Buddhist philosophy. If you answer 
>no, then you have contradicted with the law of nature. The correct 
>answer, as I have given you, is not sure.

You have to excuse hvac.  He's a bad tomato.

>
>
>>>> So if I truly believe I can fly like a butterfly I can do so.
>>>
>>> No, I don't think so. The physical world is an illusion, but it does not
>>> mean we can ignore it altogether. We only need to be aware that it's not
>>> real, so we will not be fooled to lose our focus in life.
>>>
>>
>> Since you obviously are only interested in convoluted discussions
>> where you can keep twisting the thread is as many directions as
>> possible without actually going anywhere such a "discussion" becomes
>> tiresome after a point.  I have reached that point.
>>
>> Enjoy playing with yourself.
>
>Thanks for spending time with me. It's always a good exercise for me.
>

the dukester, American-American

*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****

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#1972983

On 15-08-30 11:07 AM, duke wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 08:40:43 -0400, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 15-08-29 05:09 AM, Attila < wrote:
>>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 11:27:45 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrr8pb$rul$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2015-08-28 09:25 PM, Attila < wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 28 Aug 2015 11:58:12 +0800, niunian <niunian@ymail.com> in
>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <mrom69$ae3$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's all because you actually believe it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apparently you think all of reality is based upon belief.  I am
>>>>>>> curious.  If there is something that no one knows about - an entirely
>>>>>>> new thing such as a plant or animal or cave - does this thing exist or
>>>>>>> not exist?  Remember, if no one knows about it then no one can have
>>>>>>> any kind of a belief about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If something does not exist, then you or anyone else would not have
>>>>>> mentioned it. The fact you are now mentioning it, its existence has
>>>>>> become uncertain. So there is no way to answer your question until I can
>>>>>> verify its existence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nonsense.  People talk about things that don't exist frequently.  The
>>>>> Tooth Fairy, gods, all sorts of literary fiction.  The list is large.
>>>>
>>>> They are talking about things they know they don't exist. You are
>>>> talking about a thing that exists but no one knows. You neglected
>>>> yourself being the one who actually knows. The fact you know it exists
>>>> has ensured its existence. For me, I have to check to find out whether
>>>> you are lying or not. So its existence is uncertain.
>>>
>>> You are practiced in saying a lot without any content aren't you?
>>
>> Not really. Your question somehow is very similar to a Buddhist
>> philosophical question. It was like this: "If a tree fell down in the
>> forest and no one was around, did it make a sound?" It was meant to test
>> the student's understanding about the reality. If you answer yes, it
>> shows you have no understanding about Buddhist philosophy. If you answer
>> no, then you have contradicted with the law of nature. The correct
>> answer, as I have given you, is not sure.
>
> You have to excuse hvac.  He's a bad tomato.

No problem. I think I got a little distracted and started to talk about 
Buddhism. I need to concentrate more.

:-)

>
>>
>>
>>>>> So if I truly believe I can fly like a butterfly I can do so.
>>>>
>>>> No, I don't think so. The physical world is an illusion, but it does not
>>>> mean we can ignore it altogether. We only need to be aware that it's not
>>>> real, so we will not be fooled to lose our focus in life.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Since you obviously are only interested in convoluted discussions
>>> where you can keep twisting the thread is as many directions as
>>> possible without actually going anywhere such a "discussion" becomes
>>> tiresome after a point.  I have reached that point.
>>>
>>> Enjoy playing with yourself.
>>
>> Thanks for spending time with me. It's always a good exercise for me.
>>
>
> the dukester, American-American
>
> *****
> "The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
> Pope Paul VI
> *****
>

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