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Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it.

From Attila <prochoice@here.now>
Newsgroups alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.society.liberalism, alt.atheism, alt.politics.republicans, alt.politics.democrats.d, talk.politics.guns
Subject Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it.
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On Wed, 03 Jun 2026 13:22:34 +0000, Mitchell Holman
<noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
<XnsB4605408C4795629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:

>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in 
>news:uqnu1lp46ipntnuqgr6i3isgpi94kagbg8@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sun, 31 May 2026 18:07:19 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>> <noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <XnsB45D845A9EBC0629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
>> 
>>>Attila <prochoice@here.now> wrote in 
>>>news:27io1lpn25tp6d3cu2vqlf2843tl2sotil@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 29 May 2026 02:08:28 +0000, Mitchell Holman
>>>> <noemail@aol.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>> <XnsB45AD5F92E0A5629555@185.151.15.190> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In these examples there were no state laws to conflict with
>>>>>> federal law.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     The above just illustrate that the Confederacy was
>>>>>about defending slavery, they didn't care whit about
>>>>>"states rights"
>>>> 
>>>> Just exactly how was the North going to end slavery?
>>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>    As shown by the portion you snipped,
>>>at the time the South seceded the North
>>>wasn't TRYING to end slavery. In fact 
>>>Lincoln offered to PRESERVE slavery in
>>>the states that already had it.
>> 
>> If that is true why was the CSA even formed?
>
>
>  Confederates wanted to EXPAND slavery,
>Lincoln was opposed to that. And they 
>seceded without even trying to negotiate
>the issue. 

Expand it where?


>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     State objections were not allowed.
>>>>>>>The CSA Constitution mandated legal slavery
>>>>>>>regardless of local opinion.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That was the way the CSA system was constructed.  It did not
>>>>>> exist when the states left the union.  At that point it was
>>>>>> state power vs federal power.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>      Exactly. The CSA was about slavery, 
>>>>>not state's rights. 
>>>> 
>>>> You are saying the only thing the CSA was concerned about
>>>> was slavery?
>>>
>>>  
>>>  A sampling of the Declaration of
>>>Secession documents:
>>>
>>>
>>>Mississippi: "Our position is thoroughly 
>>>identified with the institution of slavery"
>> 
>> The issue ws slavery but it rested upon the law, which the
>> states felt should hold state law as paramount.
>> 
>
>    The Supremecy Clause is in the Constitution.
>Which Southerners loved when it came to forcing
>states to return runaway slaves to their owners.

There was nothing in Northern law that said differently.
Stolen property was returned to the owner.  Do you have a
problem with that?


>
>>>
>>>Georgia:  "For the last ten years we have 
>>>had numerous and serious causes of complaint
>>>against our non-slave-holding confederate 
>>>States with reference to the subject of 
>>>African slavery."
>>>
>>>South Carolina:  "an increasing hostility 
>>>on the part of the non-slaveholding States 
>>>to the institution of slavery."
>>>
>>>Texas:  "maintaining and protecting the 
>>>institution known as negro slavery -- the 
>>>servitude of the African to the white race."
>>>
>>>https://www.civilwar.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-
>>>seceding-states
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Lincoln offered to PRESERVE SLAVERY.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Buchanan offered to PRESERVE SLAVERY.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Who was trying to "end slavery"?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The Republican Party and their platform.  Especially in any
>>>>>> new states.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>      Show us what the 1860 GOP platform
>>>>>says about slavery.  
>>>> 
>>>> Look it up yourself.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>>>     There were no abolition bills
>>>>>>>in Congress at the time.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Because the new Congress had not been sworn in.  Nor had
>>>>>> Lincoln.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     Exactly. The Slavery States didn't 
>>>>>want to even negotiate the issue.  
>>>> 
>>>> There was nothing to negotiate.  The South would not accept
>>>> all new states being slave free and the North would accept
>>>> nothing else.
>>>> 
>>>
>>>     Where did "the Horth" say that at the
>>>time of secession?
>> 
>> Secession occurred because the South expected what the North
>> eventually did.
>> 
>
>     They seceded to expand slavery. Not 
>because of any "state's rights". 

Expand where?

>
>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> To prevent living under the laws against slavery.  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      So you admit secession was about slavery. 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Not "states rights". 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Well, that's a start.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The basic issue was whether or not a state could pass laws
>>>>>> that were in conflict with federal law and prevent federal
>>>>>> law from being enforced in the state.  The particular issue
>>>>>> were laws involving slavery.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>     Did any states secede over the federal
>>>>>Slave Fugitive Acts? Many northern states 
>>>>>hate them but didn't not attack the government
>>>>>over this submission to southern state demands.
>>>> 
>>>> The South felt those laws did not apply to them.
>>>
>>>
>>>    Prisons are full of people who felt the
>>>law didn't apply to them. Is that a legal 
>>>justification for violating it?
>> 
>> Persons are not organized and recognized states.
>> 
>
>
>    You don't get to pick and choose what laws
>apply to you. 

The Southern States felt their laws should come first.

>>>>>
>>>>>> Did the individual states have the power to negate federal
>>>>>> law by passing conflicting state law?  The Union said no.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    The Supremecy Clause of the Constituion said no.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The states said yes.
>>>>>
>>>>>    Secession is unconstitutional. 
>>>> 
>>>> Only by Court interpretation, made after the Civil War.
>>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>   There is nothing in the Constution
>>>that allows for secession. 
>> 
>> There is nothing to prevent it either.
>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Fact. 
>>>>>
>>>>>https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/74/700/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for supporting what I said.  In 1862 there was no
>>>> legal mechanism for leaving the union or to prevent  states
>>>> from leaving the union.  That was only decided on the
>>>> battlefield.
>>>
>>>
>>>     That battlefield being Ft Sumter. 

A part of South Carolina.

>>>
>>>     The Confederacy attacked America, 
>>>why should we "honor" that with statues?
>>>
>> 
>> That is a modern viewpoint.  At the time it was the Union
>> and the CSA.  The Union considered the states as still part
>> of the union.  The CSA did not.
>
>
>     States do not get to "consider" what laws
>they will obey. 
>

That was not the issue.  The South considered their laws
should apply when Federal laws were different.  Congress had
no right to pass laws that conflicted with State laws.


-- 


Every person in the US is here either  
legally or illegally. Those that are 
here illegally should be afraid.  
Be very afraid.  It does not matter 
how long you have been here.  It does 
not matter why you are here. It does not 
matter what you have done legally while you 
were here. It does not matter what any 
relative may have done while you were here. 
It only matters that you are here illegally. 
It may take a day, a week, a year, or longer 
but we will find you and we will deport you. 
Be prepared.

Deport them all.

Due process:
Q. Are you here legally?  If so, where is 
the documentation to establish that?


All politicians are trained to lie
and make those lies sound like 
the truth.  They start with the biggest 
lie of all: Politicians are public
servants.

National Socialist American Workers Party
(NSAWP) formally known as the Democrat Party

Some of the Republican positions I find disgusting 
and abhorrent.
Most of the Democratic positions I find terrifying.

I support:

A Constitional Amendment establishing
the Freedom of Choice.

The elimination of public expression, 
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                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-24 17:57 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-24 14:50 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-25 01:45 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-25 02:44 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2026-06-25 11:59 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-24 23:45 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-24 11:09 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-24 18:00 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-24 23:46 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-21 19:01 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2026-06-18 18:15 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-19 02:22 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-19 05:41 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2026-06-19 09:53 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-19 18:14 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-20 01:30 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 10:43 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-20 09:20 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-21 13:59 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-21 08:35 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-21 19:09 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-21 17:16 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-22 06:51 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-23 02:23 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 06:43 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-23 18:34 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 19:04 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-23 09:44 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-23 02:16 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 06:58 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-24 13:26 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-24 10:32 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-26 13:38 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-26 10:09 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-26 09:21 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-24 11:08 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-23 09:43 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-23 19:12 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Alan Bond <bondrock@ifx.net> - 2026-06-19 09:01 -0700
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Amal Bond <ab@ifx.net> - 2026-06-20 02:11 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Alan Bond <bondrock@ifx.net> - 2026-06-18 20:30 -0700
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-20 02:07 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-19 22:34 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2026-05-29 02:29 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> - 2026-05-21 20:42 -0700
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-05-22 05:15 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> - 2026-05-22 18:20 -0700
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-05-23 05:59 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2026-05-22 00:46 -0400
              Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2026-05-22 00:44 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Samuel Spade <sam@spade.invalid> - 2026-05-22 18:20 -0700
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Anonymous <anon@anon.net> - 2026-05-23 01:55 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-05-23 06:04 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2026-05-26 00:57 -0400
    Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Gary Roselles <Yeowrghis@Jurgis.net> - 2026-05-23 10:02 -0700
      Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-05-24 07:07 -0400
        Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-05-24 18:11 +0000
          Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-05-26 15:46 -0400
            Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-05-28 13:32 +0000
              Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-05-28 14:31 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-28 12:50 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-05-29 01:51 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-28 18:56 -0700
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. John S <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> - 2026-05-29 02:17 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-29 07:34 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-29 13:43 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-29 14:53 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-29 16:45 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-29 16:58 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-29 18:24 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-29 19:27 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-29 21:02 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-29 21:44 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-30 07:49 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-30 09:36 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-30 11:46 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-30 12:31 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-30 17:33 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-31 10:38 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-31 12:43 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. zendejo <zd@no.here> - 2026-05-31 13:06 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-31 14:24 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-31 17:16 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-31 19:53 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-01 08:44 -0600
                [Spam] Re: The panties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Rudy Canosa <rudycanosa@lgbtqiamail.con> - 2026-06-01 22:11 +0200
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-29 16:47 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-29 18:22 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-29 19:30 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-29 21:04 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-29 21:45 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-30 07:52 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-30 09:37 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-30 11:47 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-30 12:32 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-30 17:34 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-31 10:42 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-31 12:44 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-31 14:25 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-31 17:17 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-31 19:55 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-01 08:45 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-06-01 18:13 +0000
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-01 12:26 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-06-01 12:11 -0700
                Re: The pansies switched on race. Everyone knows it. Fudge Packer Canoza <fudge-packer-canoza@newshosting.com> - 2026-06-01 20:49 +0000
                Re: The pansies switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-01 15:07 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-01 14:57 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-06-01 14:12 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-01 16:18 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-06-01 16:04 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-01 18:11 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-06-02 09:18 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-06-01 12:00 -0700
                Re: The pansies switched on race. Everyone knows it. Fudge Packer Canoza <fudge-packer-canoza@newshosting.com> - 2026-06-01 20:48 +0000
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-06-01 14:10 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-01 14:56 -0600
                [Spam] Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Rudy Canosa <rudycanosa@lgbtqiamail.con> - 2026-06-01 23:49 +0200
                Re: [Spam] Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-06-01 16:17 -0600
                Re: The panties switched on race. Everyone knows it. loother <loother@jk.com> - 2026-05-30 04:04 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-29 07:33 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-29 13:44 -0700
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-29 14:52 -0600
                Re: The panties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. loother <loother@jk.com> - 2026-05-30 04:06 +0000
                Re: The panties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. loother <loother@jk.com> - 2026-05-30 04:05 +0000
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-29 13:51 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-29 16:01 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-29 16:49 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-29 18:23 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-29 19:28 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-29 21:04 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-29 21:44 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-30 07:50 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-30 09:37 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-30 11:47 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-30 12:32 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-30 17:34 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-31 10:40 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-31 12:43 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. zendejo <zd@no.here> - 2026-05-31 13:06 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-31 14:24 -0700
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-31 17:16 -0600
                Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. AlleyCat <al@aohello.con> - 2026-05-31 19:54 -0700
                [Spam] Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Rudy Canosa <rudycanosa@lgbtqiamail.con> - 2026-06-02 01:19 +0200
                Re: The panties switched on race. Everyone knows it. loother <loother@jk.com> - 2026-05-30 04:06 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-05-31 11:01 -0400
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> - 2026-05-31 18:16 +0000
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-31 12:41 -0600
                Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. Attila <prochoice@here.now> - 2026-06-02 19:09 -0400
    Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Gary Roselles <Yeowrghis@Jurgis.net> - 2026-05-23 12:47 -0700
      [Spam] Re: The parties switched off race. Everyone knows it. Trevor Johnson <noreply@mixmin.net> - 2026-05-24 04:28 +0100
        Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Alan Bond <bondrock@ifx.net> - 2026-05-24 10:29 -0700
          Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-24 17:24 -0600
          Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2026-05-29 01:47 -0400
            Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Skeeter <invalid@none.com> - 2026-05-29 07:35 -0600
      Re: The parties never switched on race. Everyone knows it. jonball@h.omo - 2026-05-24 06:07 +0000
      Re: The parties switched on race. Everyone knows it. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2026-05-25 23:39 -0400

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