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Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man

From "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk>
Newsgroups alt.atheism, rec.arts.tv, uk.politics.misc
Subject Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man
Date 2016-03-16 14:53 +0000
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On 16/03/2016 11:25, abelard wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Mar 2016 09:37:08 +0000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On 14/03/2016 16:55, abelard wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Mar 2016 15:07:09 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon
>>> <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2016 20:24:41 -0000 (UTC), Malcolm McMahon
>>>>> <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> DVH <dvh@vhvhvhvh.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/03/2016 17:06, Malcolm McMahon wrote:
>>>>>>>> No Country for Old White Men <nocoutry@white.man> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I don't care if our species would never reproduce again, why can't
>>>>>>>>> everybody
>>>>>>>>> be like me?   Old, stupid, uneducated, white and impotent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Emasculated white men love Donald Trump: The real reason a billionaire
>>>>>>>>> bozo
>>>>>>>>> rules the GOP
>>>>>>>>> Trump's rise is directly related to a certain white male limpness -- and
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> fear of a female president
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's no doubt that there's a frightening amount of anger in the American
>>>>>>>> public at the moment. But I don't think it is, at root, anything to do
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> battle of the sexes or any subltety of psychology. It's down to a one
>>>>>>>> simple,
>>>>>>>> devastating fact, the decade by decade rise in median wealth that the West
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> enjoyed for most of the  20th century has stalled, basically since the new
>>>>>>>> millenium termed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is actually nothing to do with politics, and there's little
>>>>>>>> politicians
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> any stamp can do about it. Its about globalisation, the same changes that
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> substantially reduced poverty in the world, have seem an evening out of
>>>>>>>> wealth
>>>>>>>> between nations. That means those of us who were at the top are losing out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why do you believe globalisation is/was inevitable?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because of the increasing ease of international trade. Protectionism is
>>>>>> manufactured scarcity. It's an attempt to buck market forces. As soon as its
>>>>>> cheaper to have something manufactured in, say, China, and have it shipped
>>>>>> over
>>>>>> than it is to manufacture it locally, any attempt to prevent that from
>>>>>> happening is like trying to prevent water flowing down hill. It may please
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> local artisans, until they want to buy something which is artificially
>>>>>> expensive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the end, technological change always wins over politics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Politics has _far_ less power to improve things than politicians would like
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> believe, and would like _you_ to believe. In the end, the engineer trumps the
>>>>>> politician.
>>>
>>>>> all true...but that doesn't look to me like you quite answered the
>>>>>       question
>>>
>>>> Was it inevitable? No, we could have had another world war instead. Given
>>>> relative peace and the advances in transport techology, probably.
>>>>
>>>> In any case its a move in the direction of justice. The international cake is
>>>> still getting bigger, but the slice of that cake taken by the emergent
>>>> ecconomies such as India, China, South Korea is getting larger _faster_.
>>>
>>> ok thus far
>>
>> I would add that it is probably going to get harder for any one nation
>> or region to achieve comparably dominant positions as Europe enjoyed in
>> the 19th, and the US for much of the 20th century.  The reason:
>> low-hanging fruit.  The "easy stuff" has already been done.  British
>> mills turned wool and cotton from colonial possessions into global
>> industries and reaped vast fortunes back in the 19th century -- but
>> today, fabric has been commodified and turning a profit is that much
>> harder.  Driving economic growth by tapping previously unused "virgin"
>> resources such as fallow land or mineral resources was what created
>> enormous wealth, but it can happen only once.  The same applies across
>> the industries and sectors of our economies.
>
> no argument...
>
> but production is a function of work, resources and intelligence...
>
> the last of those still appears unlimited and the west still has
>      pre-eminence in that capital
>

Not intelligence -- that is equal everywhere -- but rather knowledge, 
and the creative application thereof.

And on that score, we are losing our advantage, FAST.

We have been coasting for a while now, content to bask in apparent 
growth and gains from new industries such as IT, and happy to indulge in 
collective navel-gazing.  Societies such as ours whose education systems 
put a premium on inclusiveness and on turning out happy well-adjusted 
kids who feel good about themselves rather than young citizens who know 
how to read and write properly and who have a good grounding in the 
sciences .... well, societies like that will not last very long.  We 
have masked the effects of such disastrous educational policies by using 
our inherited capital wealth to lure the actually well-educated talent 
from the developing and emerging nations into working for us -- but that 
cannot last.  Indian IT workers without whom Silicon Valley would not 
exist may be happy to take US dollars for now, but they are building up 
the experience, the wealth and the contacts to build world-beating 
knowledge companies back home one day.  The same goes for just about any 
other industry.

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Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man No Country for Old White Men <nocoutry@white.man> - 2016-03-12 10:05 -0500
  Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Malcolm McMahon <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> - 2016-03-12 17:06 +0000
    Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man DVH <dvh@vhvhvhvh.com> - 2016-03-12 19:28 +0000
      Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Malcolm McMahon <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> - 2016-03-12 20:24 +0000
        Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-03-14 13:11 +0100
          Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Malcolm McMahon <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> - 2016-03-14 15:07 +0000
            Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-03-14 17:55 +0100
              Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-16 09:37 +0000
                Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-03-16 12:25 +0100
                Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-16 14:53 +0000
                Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-03-16 18:02 +0100
                Re: IT workeers (Was Trump) Bill Steele <ws21@cornel.edu> - 2016-03-16 14:38 -0400
                Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-16 22:07 +0000
                Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-03-16 23:25 +0100
                Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 00:33 -0400
                Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-03-17 11:37 +0100
                Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-17 11:58 +0000
                Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-03-17 13:54 +0100
                Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-17 12:56 +0000
                Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-03-17 14:07 +0100
                Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-17 10:04 +0000
                Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man abelard <abelard3@abelard.org> - 2016-03-17 11:39 +0100
                Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-03-17 06:19 -0700
                Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-17 13:30 +0000
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                Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-17 12:40 +0000
                Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-17 15:54 -0700
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      Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-13 18:06 -0700
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          Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> - 2016-03-14 07:14 -0400
            Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Malcolm McMahon <malcolm@theriomorph.me.uk> - 2016-03-14 15:17 +0000
              Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man NoBody <NoBody@nowhere.com> - 2016-03-15 14:58 -0400
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          Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-20 10:38 +0000
            Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-03-23 09:38 -0700
              Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-23 19:15 +0000
          Re: Trump Has Successfully Tapped Into My Fear of Brown People & Anyone Who Isn't An Old, White Man Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-03-23 01:46 -0700
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