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Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave

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Kualinar <kuakinar@videotron.ca> writes:

> Le 2026-10-13 à 12:57, Daniel a écrit :
>> R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> writes:
>> 
>>> |"Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> writes:
>>> |> "R Kym Horsell"  wrote in message
>>> |> news:11a9dhr$17b2$1@nnrp.usenet.blueworldhosting.com...
>>> |> Jim Wilkins:
>>> |> Even Pluto is suspected of having a buried liquid water ocean.
>>> |> Charon is suspected of at least once having a subterranean ocean.
>>> |> If KBO's are similar, and given the other gas giants have a dozen
>>> |> moons suspected of current salty oceans, it may turn out to be
>>> |> living underground is normal and Earth is the odd guy out having
>>> |> lots of action on the surface.
>>> |> -------------------------------------
>>> |> Earth is already strange for maintaining a high concentration of a
>>> |> reactive gas, oxygen.
>>> |> https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6014580/
>>> |It's a critical component for the cycle of life on earth.
>>> |Daniel
>>>
>>> Even more interesting, the salinity of some of the oceans on various moons
>>> is beleived to be within striking range of Earth's oceans.
>>>
>>> E.g. last guess I saw for Enceldus was 4-40 g/kg with Earth std around 35.
>>> Salinity and dissolved oxygen in liquid water are inversely related no
>>> matter where thay are which may hint that DO in Enceledus' ocean is also
>>> in ballpark range of Earth, maybe even higher (if less saline than 35%%).
>>>
>>> I'm hoping to ask someone that knows, eventually. :)
>> Our moon having subsurface water would be a shocker to me. Though if
>> it
>> did, it would have come from earth, so earth-like salination ratios
>> wouldn't be surprising.
>
> When the Moon was formed, Earth didn't have oceans yet. Then,
> initially, the salinity was pretty low.
> So, we should NOT expect the salinity of eventual Lunar water to be
> similar to that of the modern Earth.
>
>> The other moons, not so much. I mean, everything formed out of the
>> same nebula
>> after all. So if a subsurface water ocean were seriously present on
>> Enceladus would it surprise you that it, too, is salinated?
>
> Here again, the subsurface water of Mars and the moons of the Solar
> system is NOT expected to be similar to what we found here on
> Earth. After all, they where formed in vastly different regions of the
> protoplanetary disk, regions with vastly different chemical
> composition. Different salinity, from different salts. Also, different
> isotopic ratio.
>
>> Isn't this all conjecture though? Many things scientists have
>> predicted about our solar system turned out differently. I've adopted a
>> 'wait-and-see' attitude and lean on no assumptions or hypothesis.
>> Speaking on salination, I wasn't expecting Mars soil to be as
>> hostile to
>> organic life as it is.  Watching the character grow potatoes with
>> martian soil in "The Martian" had me laughing out loud in the
>> theater. My wife glared at me.

Does it matter if the oceans were on the surface? It came from
underground anyway - as do the minerals.

-- 
Daniel
sysop  | air & wave bbs
finger | info@bbs.airandwave.net

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This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> - 2026-10-08 08:14 -0700
  Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> - 2026-10-08 18:15 -0400
    Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-09 00:46 +0000
      Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> - 2026-10-08 21:13 -0400
        Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave Daniel <me@fuhgitabutit.com> - 2026-10-12 19:38 -0700
          Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-13 03:30 +0000
            Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 10:08 -0400
            Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave Daniel <me@fuhgitabutit.com> - 2026-10-13 09:57 -0700
              Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> - 2026-10-13 16:08 -0400
              Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave Kualinar <kuakinar@videotron.ca> - 2026-10-14 10:11 -0400
                Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-14 16:32 +0000
                Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave Daniel <me@fuhgitabutit.com> - 2026-10-14 14:14 -0700
                Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-18 05:25 +0000
                Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 07:10 -0400
                Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-18 19:53 +0000
                Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> - 2026-10-18 18:01 -0400
                Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave R Kym Horsell <kym@sdf.org> - 2026-10-19 00:23 +0000
                Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 08:04 -0400
                Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> - 2026-10-19 09:33 -0400
                Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave "Jim Wilkins" <muratlanne@gmail.com> - 2026-10-14 18:42 -0400
                Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave Daniel <me@fuhgitabutit.com> - 2026-10-17 10:40 -0700
                Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave Rockinghorse Winner <Rockinghorse@amgen.com> - 2026-10-18 02:38 +0000
              Re: This mysterious hole on the Moon may open into a giant cave Rockinghorse Winner <Rockinghorse@amgen.com> - 2026-10-18 02:37 +0000

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