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Re: Where is the center of the universe?

Message-ID <56514D4C.2C55@ix.netcom.com> (permalink)
Date 2015-11-21 21:06 -0800
From The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com>
Newsgroups alt.astronomy, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Where is the center of the universe?
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Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> 
> dvus wrote:
> 
> > On 11/20/2015 6:45 PM, Sam Wormley wrote:
> >>> On 2/8/15 3:44 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> >>> Where is the center of the universe?
> >>
> >>    No Center
> >>      http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
> >>      http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html
> >> […]
> > I'm having a hard time with this.
> 
> You are not alone.  But that does not mean that it cannot be true.
> 
> > If there is no "center" of the Universe then it would seem that it would
> > have to be infinite in size.
> 
> No.  <https://youtu.be/-EilZ4VY5Vs?t=545>
> 
> > Yet we are told the BB happened just under 13.75 light-years ago.
> 
> Whoever told you this has no clue what they are talking about, although it
> is very likely that you did not listen carefully.
> 
> The current best fit of the age of the universe, by the Planck collaboration
> in 2013, and even when combined with WMAP results, is ca. 1.38 × 10¹⁰ (13.8
> _billion_, short scale) _years_.  [Light-years is a unit of length, not of
> time.  The current size (diameter) of the *observable* universe is ca.
> 9.3 × 10¹⁰ (93 billion) light-years.  For yet unexplained reasons the
> expansion speed of the universe has been and still is increasing.]
> 
> > How could it be infinite if it originated a finite time ago?
> 
> Ex falso quodlibet.  However, nobody said that the universe was infinite in
> size.
> 
> > Additionally, I have read numerous articles that purport that
> > cosmologists are now able to see galaxies that formed a short time after
> > the BB.
> 
> What you have read is correct.
> 
> > What will they see when they are able to see beyond those earliest
> > galaxies?
> 
> They are not going to be able to see beyond.  A hot plasma is opaque to
> electromagnetic radiation.  However, if other ways of observation are found
> (like gravitational waves), then current knowledge (quantum mechanics)
> suggests that no events that happened before the Planck epoch can be
> observed.  There was no time yet then.
> 
> > Also, I constantly see diagrams supposedly of the entire Universe shaped
> > kind of like a football.
> 
> Where?
> 
> > (why it isn't round I don't know)
> 
> Nobody knows why, but we are sure that it is not round like a ball.  If it
> were round like a ball, i.e. closed, large triangles like those to the CMB
> would not have an inner angle sum of approximately 180°.  See the surface of
> Earth for an example of a closed space: a proper triangle from a pole to the
> equator, then along the equator and back to the same pole always has an
> inner angle sum that is greater than 180° as you already have two right
> hangles (90°) at the equator.
> 
> <https://youtu.be/-EilZ4VY5Vs?t=1935>
> 
> (I can highly recommend the entire talk.)
> 
> > Those diagrams don't indicate the Universe is infinite or they would have
> > to be be infinitely big.
> 
> Good.
> 
> > Then I read about theories of the "multiverse" composed of many bubble
> > Universes surrounding ours. How can you surround an infinite Universe?
> 
> Again, nobody except you said that the universe were infinite in size.
> The size of the universe still is an open question.
> 
> > I try to read everything I can get my hands on about this subject […]
> 
> Try harder.  A simple Google search returns a lot of pertinent information,
> and Wikipedia has a lot of good articles on the subject.
> 
> Please stop crossposting without Followup-To set, and start posting using
> your real name.

What if his real name is PointedLips? 


> 
> F'up2 sci.physics.relativity
> 
> PointedEars
> --
> Q: Where are offenders sentenced for light crimes?
> A: To a prism.
> 
> (from: WolframAlpha)





Do you actually believe God can create a universe where he cannot see the edge?

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Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-20 17:45 -0600
  Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-20 23:48 -0800
    Re: Where is the center of the universe? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 10:27 +0100
      Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 05:13 -0500
        Re: Where is the center of the universe? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 12:57 +0100
          Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 13:44 -0500
            Re: Where is the center of the universe? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 20:01 +0100
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 14:17 -0500
            Re: Where is the center of the universe? Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 20:01 +0100
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 14:22 -0500
    Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 08:05 -0600
      Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 13:48 -0500
        Re: Where is the center of the universe? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-23 10:21 -0600
          Re: Where is the center of the universe? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-23 17:34 +0100
          Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-23 11:31 -0800
            Re: Where is the center of the universe? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 15:54 -0500
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-23 13:43 -0800
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2015-11-23 16:49 -0500
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-23 16:17 -0800
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-24 16:52 -0500
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-24 22:24 +0000
    Re: Where is the center of the universe? Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2015-11-21 07:13 -0700
      Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Notroll2015" <notroll2015@charter.net> - 2015-11-21 12:48 -0600
        Re: Where is the center of the universe? Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2015-11-21 14:10 -0700
  Re: Where is the center of the universe? dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-21 06:43 -0500
    Re: There's nothing special about the start of "the big bang". benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-21 13:45 -0500
      Re: There's nothing special about the start of "the big bang". "Notroll2015" <notroll2015@charter.net> - 2015-11-21 12:51 -0600
      Re: There's nothing special about the start of "the big bang". Edward Stansfield <stansfield5REM6@linuxmail.org> - 2015-11-21 14:11 -0500
    Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-21 20:37 +0000
      Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-21 21:06 -0800
        Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-22 11:43 +0000
          Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 09:01 -0500
            Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-22 14:59 +0000
          Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-22 14:02 -0800
            Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-22 16:32 -0600
        Re: Where is the center of the universe? Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2015-11-22 07:18 -0700
    Re: Where is the center of the universe? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-23 10:51 -0600
      Re: Where is the center of the universe? Arc Michael <abookoflife@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-24 13:57 -0800
      Re: Where is the center of the universe? dvus <dven1@adelphia.net> - 2015-11-24 17:07 -0500
        Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-24 22:48 +0000
          Re: Where is the center of the universe? Arc Michael <abookoflife@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-24 17:01 -0800
            Re: Where is the center of the universe? Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2015-11-25 01:20 -0700
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? Arc Michael <abookoflife@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-25 10:51 -0800
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2015-12-03 18:13 -0700
          Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-24 21:47 -0800
            Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-25 10:32 +0000
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-25 09:47 -0800
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-25 21:36 -0800
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-26 14:22 -0800
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-26 14:27 -0800
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2015-11-26 15:39 -0700
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-11-27 00:48 +0000
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-26 17:34 -0800
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-12-01 21:52 -0800
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2015-12-02 09:49 -0700
        Re: Where is the center of the universe? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-25 09:59 -0600
          Re: Where is the center of the universe? benj <none@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 11:16 -0500
            Re: Where is the center of the universe? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-11-25 11:02 -0600
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-25 18:47 +0100
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-25 10:06 -0800
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? Arc Michael <abookoflife@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-25 10:52 -0800
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 14:04 -0600
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? Arc Michael <abookoflife@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-25 12:38 -0800
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2015-11-25 14:23 -0700
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? "Notroll2015" <notroll2015@charter.net> - 2015-11-25 15:51 -0600
                Re: Where is the center of the universe? Saul Levy <saullevy1@cox.net> - 2015-11-29 12:40 -0700
          Re: Where is the center of the universe? Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-11-25 17:50 +0100
          Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-25 10:01 -0800
            Re: Where is the center of the universe? Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-11-25 14:05 -0600
              Re: Where is the center of the universe? The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-11-25 12:42 -0800

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