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| From | Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.lang.java.programmer |
| Subject | Re: hashCode |
| Date | 2012-08-31 09:08 -0600 |
| Organization | an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is |
| Message-ID | <ydnzk5brte4.fsf@shell.xmission.com> (permalink) |
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Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> writes:
> On 31/08/2012 03:43, Eric Sosman allegedly wrote:
>> On 8/30/2012 6:52 PM, Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
>>> On 29/08/2012 20:49, Eric Sosman allegedly wrote:
>>>> On 8/29/2012 2:06 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote:
>>>>> On 8/28/12 5:02 PM, markspace wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/28/2012 4:33 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> interface Hasher<Type> {
>>>>>>> int hash(Type t);
>>>>>>
>>>> The difficulty is that an external Hasher would have no access to
>>>> private fields (...)
>>>
>>> This.
>>
>> ?
>>
>> package deal;
>> public class ToBeHashed {
>> private int noGettersForMeThanks;
>> ...
>> }
>>
>> package express;
>> Hasher<ToBeHashed> hasher = new Hasher<ToBeHashed>() {
>> public int hashCode(ToBeHashed obj) {
>> // How do you obtain the value of
>> // obj.noGettersForMeThanks
>> // if that would be useful?
>> }
>> ...
>> }
>>
>> As an example of why a hasher might want access to a strictly-private
>> field, I offered String: How could a Hasher<String> (outside String
>> itself) use String's private `hash' element? (And before you say
>> "Give String a getHash() method," ponder what hashCode() does.)
>>
>
> Sorry for not being clear, Eric. I meant to emphasize how IMO that one
> single point you mention is the decisive argument that settles the issue.
>
> Imposing that classes should expose all information "relevant" (says
> who??) to hashing is utter rubbish IMNSHO.
Objects that compare equal must hash to the same value. It follows that
if the hash function uses a value, so must the comparison method.
Relying on non-public information in the comparison method means
allowing two objects to compare non-equal even though there is no way,
using public information, to distinguish between them. I can honestly
say I've never done that or felt a need to do that.
--
Jim Janney
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Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-11 21:46 -0700
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Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-27 17:03 -0700
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Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-27 21:19 -0700
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Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-29 14:49 -0400
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Re: hashCode Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-08-31 00:52 +0200
Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-30 21:43 -0400
Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-30 21:52 -0400
Re: hashCode Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-08-31 04:18 +0200
Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-31 09:08 -0600
Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-31 11:38 -0400
Re: hashCode Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-31 17:55 +0200
Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-31 09:56 -0600
Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-31 14:32 -0400
Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-31 14:38 -0600
Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-31 15:33 -0700
Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-31 16:41 -0600
Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-31 16:26 -0700
Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-09-02 11:54 -0600
Re: hashCode Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-09-03 00:47 +0200
Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-09-03 21:44 -0600
Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-31 09:08 -0600
Re: hashCode Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-31 17:58 +0200
Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-29 11:51 -0700
Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-29 13:28 -0700
Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-29 16:05 -0700
Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-29 16:23 -0700
Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-29 20:56 -0400
Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-30 11:19 +0200
Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-30 10:03 -0700
Re: hashCode Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2012-08-30 18:34 +0000
Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-30 08:11 -0600
Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-30 10:06 -0700
Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-30 19:16 -0400
Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-28 13:58 -0700
Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-28 13:56 -0700
Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-28 14:07 -0700
Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-28 14:38 -0700
Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-27 21:12 -0400
Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-11 07:58 -0400
Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-11 16:29 -0700
Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 22:16 -0400
Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-12 03:46 -0700
Re: hashCode Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2012-08-12 12:23 -0400
Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-12 09:40 -0700
Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-12 13:59 -0400
Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-12 11:17 -0700
Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-12 17:02 -0400
Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-12 19:03 +0200
Re: hashCode Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-08-10 12:17 -0700
Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-10 12:45 -0700
Re: hashCode Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-08-11 04:54 -0700
Re: hashCode Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2012-08-11 18:25 +0200
Re: hashCode Mike Winter <usenet@michael-winter.me.invalid> - 2012-08-11 18:53 +0100
Re: hashCode Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-08-11 09:56 -0700
Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-11 18:58 +0200
Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 22:40 -0400
Re: hashCode rossum <rossum48@coldmail.com> - 2012-08-11 18:47 +0100
Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-10 19:25 -0400
Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-11 08:00 -0400
Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 09:49 -0400
Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-11 15:33 +0200
Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-11 15:34 +0200
Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-11 16:34 -0700
Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-11 16:37 -0700
Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 22:19 -0400
Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-11 21:48 -0700
Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-12 12:08 +0200
Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-12 12:18 +0200
Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-12 11:27 -0700
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