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Re: hashCode

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From	Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com>
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Subject	Re: hashCode
Date	Fri, 31 Aug 2012 09:08:35 -0600
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Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> writes:

> On 31/08/2012 03:43, Eric Sosman allegedly wrote:
>> On 8/30/2012 6:52 PM, Daniele Futtorovic wrote:
>>> On 29/08/2012 20:49, Eric Sosman allegedly wrote:
>>>> On 8/29/2012 2:06 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote:
>>>>> On 8/28/12 5:02 PM, markspace wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/28/2012 4:33 PM, Daniel Pitts wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> interface Hasher<Type> {
>>>>>>>      int hash(Type t);
>>>>>>
>>>> The difficulty is that an external Hasher would have no access to
>>>> private fields (...)
>>>
>>> This.
>> 
>>     ?
>> 
>>     package deal;
>>     public class ToBeHashed {
>>         private int noGettersForMeThanks;
>>         ...
>>     }
>> 
>>     package express;
>>     Hasher<ToBeHashed> hasher = new Hasher<ToBeHashed>() {
>>         public int hashCode(ToBeHashed obj) {
>>             // How do you obtain the value of
>>             // obj.noGettersForMeThanks
>>             // if that would be useful?
>>         }
>>         ...
>>     }
>> 
>> As an example of why a hasher might want access to a strictly-private
>> field, I offered String: How could a Hasher<String> (outside String
>> itself) use String's private `hash' element?  (And before you say
>> "Give String a getHash() method," ponder what hashCode() does.)
>> 
>
> Sorry for not being clear, Eric. I meant to emphasize how IMO that one
> single point you mention is the decisive argument that settles the issue.
>
> Imposing that classes should expose all information "relevant" (says
> who??) to hashing is utter rubbish IMNSHO.

Objects that compare equal must hash to the same value.  It follows that
if the hash function uses a value, so must the comparison method.
Relying on non-public information in the comparison method means
allowing two objects to compare non-equal even though there is no way,
using public information, to distinguish between them.  I can honestly
say I've never done that or felt a need to do that.

-- 
Jim Janney

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hashCode bob smith <bob@coolfone.comze.com> - 2012-08-10 08:47 -0700
  Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-10 12:13 -0400
    Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-10 10:13 -0700
      Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-10 13:38 -0400
        Re: hashCode rossum <rossum48@coldmail.com> - 2012-08-11 10:36 +0100
  Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-10 12:34 -0400
    Re: hashCode bob smith <bob@coolfone.comze.com> - 2012-08-10 15:22 -0700
      Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-10 15:32 -0700
        Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-10 19:30 -0400
          Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-11 16:24 -0700
            Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 22:15 -0400
              Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 22:29 -0400
                Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-11 22:43 -0400
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 22:54 -0400
                Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-11 21:46 -0700
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-12 16:53 -0400
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-12 17:00 -0400
      Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-10 19:27 -0400
        Re: hashCode Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-12 17:06 +0200
          Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-12 16:59 -0400
            Re: hashCode Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-13 19:17 +0200
              Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-19 19:42 -0400
                Re: hashCode Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2012-08-21 10:30 +0000
              Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-19 19:47 -0400
                Re: hashCode Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2012-08-21 10:43 +0000
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-27 19:04 -0400
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-27 16:55 -0700
                Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-27 17:03 -0700
                Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-27 17:49 -0700
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-27 21:37 -0400
                Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-27 18:58 -0700
                Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-27 21:19 -0700
                Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-28 01:06 -0700
                Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-28 09:19 -0700
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-28 16:33 -0700
                Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-28 17:02 -0700
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-29 11:06 -0700
                Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-29 14:49 -0400
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-29 13:40 -0700
                Re: hashCode Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-08-29 18:02 -0700
                Re: hashCode Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-08-31 00:52 +0200
                Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-30 21:43 -0400
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-30 21:52 -0400
                Re: hashCode Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-08-31 04:18 +0200
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-31 09:08 -0600
                Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-31 11:38 -0400
                Re: hashCode Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-31 17:55 +0200
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-31 09:56 -0600
                Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-31 14:32 -0400
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-31 14:38 -0600
                Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-31 15:33 -0700
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-31 16:41 -0600
                Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-31 16:26 -0700
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-09-02 11:54 -0600
                Re: hashCode Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-09-03 00:47 +0200
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-09-03 21:44 -0600
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-31 09:08 -0600
                Re: hashCode Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-31 17:58 +0200
                Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-29 11:51 -0700
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-29 13:28 -0700
                Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-29 16:05 -0700
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-29 16:23 -0700
                Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-29 20:56 -0400
                Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-30 11:19 +0200
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-30 10:03 -0700
                Re: hashCode Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2012-08-30 18:34 +0000
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-30 08:11 -0600
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-30 10:06 -0700
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-30 19:16 -0400
                Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-28 13:58 -0700
                Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-28 13:56 -0700
                Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-28 14:07 -0700
                Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-28 14:38 -0700
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-27 21:12 -0400
      Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-11 07:58 -0400
        Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-11 16:29 -0700
          Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 22:16 -0400
      Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-12 03:46 -0700
      Re: hashCode Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2012-08-12 12:23 -0400
        Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-12 09:40 -0700
          Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-12 13:59 -0400
            Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-12 11:17 -0700
          Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-12 17:02 -0400
        Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-12 19:03 +0200
  Re: hashCode Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-08-10 12:17 -0700
    Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-10 12:45 -0700
      Re: hashCode Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-08-11 04:54 -0700
        Re: hashCode Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2012-08-11 18:25 +0200
          Re: hashCode Mike Winter <usenet@michael-winter.me.invalid> - 2012-08-11 18:53 +0100
        Re: hashCode Peter Duniho <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> - 2012-08-11 09:56 -0700
        Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-11 18:58 +0200
        Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 22:40 -0400
      Re: hashCode rossum <rossum48@coldmail.com> - 2012-08-11 18:47 +0100
    Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-10 19:25 -0400
      Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-11 08:00 -0400
        Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 09:49 -0400
  Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-11 15:33 +0200
    Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-11 15:34 +0200
    Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-11 16:34 -0700
      Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-11 16:37 -0700
      Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 22:19 -0400
        Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-11 21:48 -0700
    Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-12 12:08 +0200
      Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-12 12:18 +0200
      Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-12 11:27 -0700
        Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-12 17:11 -0400

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