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Re: hashCode

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Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> writes:

> Jim Janney wrote:
>> Once again: once again, there is no reason why String can't define a
>> hashCode method for instances of Hasher to call.  No need to forego
>> anything.
>
> And, indeed, once again once again, 'String' has already provided such a method.
>
> I don't see what the big to-do is about 'Object' having 'hashCode()' defined. It's 
> just fine as an address proxy in the default implementation, never mind its use 
> for hashing, and the override to provide value equality is exactly the effort needed 
> for classes that need a "real" hash, only at least it's in the very class whose logic 
> it is, rather than artificially separated into a separate 'Hasher' type.
>
> So once again once again, the existing mechanism shows itself to be at worst 
> not much worse than the proposal.
>
> Also, once again once again, the hash must match the idea of equality for the 
> type. I don't notice anyone arguing (yet) that 'equals()' should not be present 
> in 'Object'. Best practices once again once again promote keeping 'equals()', 
> 'hashCode()', 'compareTo()' (where present) and 'toString()' consistent with 
> each other.
>
> So once again once again once again once again we see the status quo 
> being pretty much equivalent once again once again to the proposal 
> once again.

Nothing in the hypothetical design prevents String, or any other class,
from defining a hashCode method, or multiple methods, with access to
private data or native code.  Objections on this basis are therefore
without basis.  I'm sorry if you find this confusing, but it's really
very simple.

It's also true that the majority of hash functions should depend only
on publically available data.  This is not "rubbish" but a direct
consequence of how hashing works: objects that compare equal must hash
to the same value.  In a small number of cases, using a private member
to cache the result of the hash calculation turns out, on average, to
be better than not cacheing it.  This takes us back to the previous
point.

As you point out, the current design is not all that bad, but it's also
limiting and error prone.  Limiting because a class can only have one
hash function when several might be useful: for instance, String has
equalsIgnoreCase but no hashCodeIgnoreCase.  If you want to hash by
object identity for a class that overrides equals() and hashCode(), you
have to use a completely different implementation of the standard hash
map.  Error prone because it takes concerns that should be kept together
(hashing is a concern of the map, not the object being hashed) and
divides them into otherwise unrelated classes.  If you want to override
equals() for a class, how do you know where to look for hash maps that
might be affected?

-- 
Jim Janney

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hashCode bob smith <bob@coolfone.comze.com> - 2012-08-10 08:47 -0700
  Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-10 12:13 -0400
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      Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-10 13:38 -0400
        Re: hashCode rossum <rossum48@coldmail.com> - 2012-08-11 10:36 +0100
  Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-10 12:34 -0400
    Re: hashCode bob smith <bob@coolfone.comze.com> - 2012-08-10 15:22 -0700
      Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-10 15:32 -0700
        Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-10 19:30 -0400
          Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-11 16:24 -0700
            Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 22:15 -0400
              Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 22:29 -0400
                Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-11 22:43 -0400
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 22:54 -0400
                Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-11 21:46 -0700
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-12 16:53 -0400
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-12 17:00 -0400
      Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-10 19:27 -0400
        Re: hashCode Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-12 17:06 +0200
          Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-12 16:59 -0400
            Re: hashCode Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-13 19:17 +0200
              Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-19 19:42 -0400
                Re: hashCode Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2012-08-21 10:30 +0000
              Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-19 19:47 -0400
                Re: hashCode Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2012-08-21 10:43 +0000
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-27 19:04 -0400
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-27 16:55 -0700
                Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-27 17:03 -0700
                Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-27 17:49 -0700
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-27 21:37 -0400
                Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-27 18:58 -0700
                Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-27 21:19 -0700
                Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-28 01:06 -0700
                Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-28 09:19 -0700
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-28 16:33 -0700
                Re: hashCode markspace <-@.> - 2012-08-28 17:02 -0700
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-29 11:06 -0700
                Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-29 14:49 -0400
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-29 13:40 -0700
                Re: hashCode Gene Wirchenko <genew@ocis.net> - 2012-08-29 18:02 -0700
                Re: hashCode Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-08-31 00:52 +0200
                Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-30 21:43 -0400
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-30 21:52 -0400
                Re: hashCode Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-08-31 04:18 +0200
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-31 09:08 -0600
                Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-31 11:38 -0400
                Re: hashCode Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-31 17:55 +0200
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-31 09:56 -0600
                Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-31 14:32 -0400
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-31 14:38 -0600
                Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-31 15:33 -0700
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-31 16:41 -0600
                Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-31 16:26 -0700
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-09-02 11:54 -0600
                Re: hashCode Daniele Futtorovic <da.futt.news@laposte-dot-net.invalid> - 2012-09-03 00:47 +0200
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-09-03 21:44 -0600
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-31 09:08 -0600
                Re: hashCode Robert Klemme <shortcutter@googlemail.com> - 2012-08-31 17:58 +0200
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                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-29 13:28 -0700
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                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-29 16:23 -0700
                Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-29 20:56 -0400
                Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-30 11:19 +0200
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-30 10:03 -0700
                Re: hashCode Andreas Leitgeb <avl@gamma.logic.tuwien.ac.at> - 2012-08-30 18:34 +0000
                Re: hashCode Jim Janney <jjanney@shell.xmission.com> - 2012-08-30 08:11 -0600
                Re: hashCode Daniel Pitts <newsgroup.nospam@virtualinfinity.net> - 2012-08-30 10:06 -0700
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-30 19:16 -0400
                Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-28 13:58 -0700
                Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-28 13:56 -0700
                Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-28 14:07 -0700
                Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-28 14:38 -0700
                Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-27 21:12 -0400
      Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-11 07:58 -0400
        Re: hashCode Lew <noone@lewscanon.com> - 2012-08-11 16:29 -0700
          Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 22:16 -0400
      Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-12 03:46 -0700
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        Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-12 09:40 -0700
          Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-12 13:59 -0400
            Re: hashCode Patricia Shanahan <pats@acm.org> - 2012-08-12 11:17 -0700
          Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-12 17:02 -0400
        Re: hashCode Jan Burse <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2012-08-12 19:03 +0200
  Re: hashCode Roedy Green <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> - 2012-08-10 12:17 -0700
    Re: hashCode Lew <lewbloch@gmail.com> - 2012-08-10 12:45 -0700
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        Re: hashCode Joerg Meier <joergmmeier@arcor.de> - 2012-08-11 18:25 +0200
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        Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 22:40 -0400
      Re: hashCode rossum <rossum48@coldmail.com> - 2012-08-11 18:47 +0100
    Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-10 19:25 -0400
      Re: hashCode Eric Sosman <esosman@ieee-dot-org.invalid> - 2012-08-11 08:00 -0400
        Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 09:49 -0400
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      Re: hashCode Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2012-08-11 22:19 -0400
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