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Re: The mystery behind the Einstein-Besso 54 pages manuscript, hiidden for 40 years.

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On 4/16/25 10:15 AM, rhertz wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Apr 2025 5:19:09 +0000, Physfitfreak wrote:
> 
>> On 4/15/25 11:30 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>> it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that Albert Einstein is no
>>> Einstein.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> rhertz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Chat with DeepSeek:
>>>>
>>>> QUESTION:
>>>>
>>>> Tell me about the "54 pages Einstein-Besso manuscript" that Besso HELD
>>>> until his death in 1953. When this manuscript emerged, and was subject
>>>> to public auction in 1992, it also emerged fierce criticisms from
>>>> scholars during such dark period (1954-1990), which showed (with 
>>>> hundred
>>>> of references) how WRONG was the approach of the team on the Mercury
>>>> problem. It included an error of 3 magnitudes and negative sign in the
>>>> final calculation. Now, it's in public domain. Which is your opinion of
>>>> such manuscript and why do you believe it was hidden for 40 years by
>>>> Besso?
>>>>
>>>> DEEPSEEK ANSWER:
>>>>
>>>> The Einstein-Besso manuscript (1913) is one of the most controversial
>>>> and revealing documents in the history of general relativity (GR). Its
>>>> contents, hidden by Michele Besso until his death in 1953 and later
>>>> auctioned in 1992, expose critical errors in Einstein’s early 
>>>> approach
>>>> to the Mercury perihelion problem—errors that were orders of 
>>>> magnitude
>>>> wrong and even had the wrong sign in calculations.
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>
>>
>> Star, tell him that's how science works. The way to get there is messy
>> and full of mistakes, but some eventually get there! The sugar coating
>> comes later for sex reasons :)
> 
> 
> Self-entitled imbecile. Do you really need a mediator to communicate
> your ignorant comments about how does science works? Who the fuck are
> you to pretend to represent the entire scientific community? You're just
> a little prick, and a coward one.
> 
> 
> Science, in particular "hard" science, which requires knowing a massive
> amount of mathematics, plus CRITICAL THINKING and DEEP INSIGHTS, doesn't
> reach final or intermediate results by performing "Brownian" actions,
> mostly random, to see if some valid result is achieved.
> 
> In particular, if a given project starts with TWO COMPLETE IGNORANTS OF
> ASTRONOMY like Einstein and Besso.
> 
> To realize how IGNORANT and how LOST in the field they were by 1913, YOU
> HAVE TO ANALYZE THE MANUSCRIPT (which I did, and you didn't). IN DETAIL.
> Then you can estimate how LOST they were when they tried to figure out
> the missing arcseconds.
> 
> Didn't you ask yourself how come the Mercury's problem was one of the
> three predictions done by Einstein around 1911-1912 that he WOULD
> EXPLAIN BY USING RELATIVITY?
> 
> No, you didn't, because you're a blind imbecile who follow the rules of
> your messiah blindly.
> 
> When Einstein announced his goal to extend relativity to include
> gravity, and later published his 1911 paper, he couldn't have written
> anything more stupid when he tried to find holes in the
> keplerian-newtonian physics.
> 
> In a short period of time, around 1910, he became aware of prior works
> on missing parts of celestial mechanics and the impact of the behavior
> of light in astronomy, as well as the speed of gravity (instead of the
> infamous "action at a distance"). So, he obtained information, through
> his network of advisors, of:
> 
> - 1801 Von Soldner paper about the deflection of light due to gravity,
> which he
>   plagiarized in 1911 WITHOUT ANY SHAME.
> 
> - 1897 Gerber paper about retarded potentials and the speed of gravity,
> which
>   explained MATHEMATICALLY the speed of gravity, using Mercury's data
> available
>   by then (Newcomb, among others), which was USED AS AN ENTRY PARAMETER.
> The final
>   Gerber's formula was the obsession of Einstein, who tried in vain to
> obtain such
>   result by using spacetime to replace retarded potentials. He FAILED
> MISERABLY
>   TRYING THIS, WITH BESSO, in 1913. Read the 54 pages manuscript to
> realize HOW
>   INCREDIBLY IGNORANT WERE BOTH about celestial mechanics.
> 
> The Nov. 1915 paper about Mercury IS NOT a reasonable evolution of what
> they
> believed and wrote about by 1913. It's a RADICAL DEPARTURE from such
> HIDDEN paper,
> which was written UNDER THE GUIDANCE OF PROFESSIONAL ASTRONOMERS
> (Freundlich and
> Schwartzchild).
> 
> All the crap written by 1913 was completely DELETED (and proofs were
> hidden by Besso), and a radical fresh start was done in 1915, by using
> ORIGINAL NEWTONIAN
> MATHEMATICS, conveniently modified by a HACKED RESULT of his basic GR
> equation (the modification of the gravitational potential in the middle
> of the paper).
> 
> There are traces in the 1913 manuscript that they were looking for a
> pseudo-newtonian equation using polynomials with three and four roots to
> describe Mercury's orbit, and approximations to resolve such polynomials
> (which had no analytical solution) by decomposing them in: A newtonian
> quadratic polynomial MULTIPLIED BY ONE OR TWO ADDITIONAL ROOTS. But the
> context that the IGNORANT COUPLE used was to insert influences of every
> fucking planet plus the Sun as a liquid, rotating sphere.
> 
> Do the work to analyze the historical data, AND USE YOUR FUCKING BRAIN.
> You'll realize then, that the 1915 paper (which was a reverse
> engineering of Gerber's paper) WAS NOT THE WORK OF EINSTEIN, who didn't
> know SHIT about astronomy (as Lorentz said in 1920: "Einstein is not an
> astronomer, but....."). Lorentz himself
> somehow questioned the work of Einstein, after his peak in fame. And he
> told that to a couple of journalists. Fact-check this.
> 
> 
> Einstein DID NEVER DO SCIENCE: His entire career of 10 years (1905-1915)
> is plagued with fraud, steal, cheating, plagiarism, back-stabbing,
> intellectual work sequestering and appropriation, lies, hypocrisy,
> cynicism and A HEAVY HELP OF FRIENDS. He's as fake as a three dollars
> bill, but he was sustained in fame for political AND RELIGIOUS
> interests.



You know Physfit's dick that well?.. :) It's ok you're not the first one 
desiring direct talk with it.

That dick has a hunch to "directly" share with you though. You may be a 
high school drop out. Or a first year university drop out?.. Either of 
the two. _This_ is the gist of what you post in this forum, not what you 
post in this forum. So Physfit's dick doesn't pay attention to you directly.

The dick has a nice physics background by the way. Don't let it make you 
so sour. It wants you to be happy. Go to Church, it tells you :) It's 
good for you.

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