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Command Languages Versus Programming Languages

From Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.unix.shell, comp.unix.programmer, comp.lang.misc
Subject Command Languages Versus Programming Languages
Date 2024-03-29 01:14 +0000
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <uu54la$3su5b$6@dont-email.me> (permalink)

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At one time, we distinguished between “scripting” languages and
“programming” languages. To begin with, the “scripting” languages were
somehow more limited in functionality than full-fledged “programming”
languages. Or they were slower, because they were interpreted.

Then languages like Perl and Java came along: both were compiled to a
bytecode, a sort of pseudo-machine-language, which was interpreted by
software, not CPU hardware. Were they “scripting” or “programming”
languages? Some might have classed Perl as a “scripting” language to
begin with, but given it is must as powerful as Java, then why
shouldn’t Java also be considered a “scripting” rather than
“programming” language? And before these two, there was UCSD Pascal,
which was probably the pioneer of this compile-to-bytecode idea.

So that terminology for distinguishing between classes of programming
languages became largely obsolete.

But there is one distinction that I think is still relevant, and that
is the one between shell/command languages and programming languages.

In a shell language, everything you type is assumed to be a literal
string, unless you use special substitution sequences. E.g. in a POSIX
shell:

    ls -l thingy

“give me information about the file/directory named ‘thingy’”, vs.

    ls -l $thingy

“give me information about the files/directories whose names are in
the value of the variable ‘thingy’”.

Whereas in a programming language, everything is assumed to be a
language construct, and every unadorned name is assumed to reference
some value/object, so you need quote marks to demarcate literal
strings, e.g. in Python:

    os.listdir(thingy)

“return a list of the contents of the directory whose name is in the
variable ‘thingy’”, vs.

    os.listdir("thingy")

“return a list of the contents of the directory named ‘thingy’”.

This difference in design has to do with their typical usage: most of
the use of a shell/command language is in typing a single command at a
time, for immediate execution. Whereas a programming language is
typically used to construct sequences consisting of multiple lines of
code before they are executed.

This difference is also why attempts to use programming languages as
though they were shell/command languages, entering and executing a
single line of code at a time, tend to end up being more trouble than
they are worth.

Conversely, using shell/command languages as programming languages, by
collecting multiple lines of code into shell scripts, does work, but
only up to a point. The concept of variable substitution via string
substitution tends to lead to trouble when trying to do more advanced
data manipulations.

So, in short, while there is some overlap in their applicable usage
areas, they are still very much oriented to different application
scenarios.

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Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-29 01:14 +0000
  Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-03-29 03:10 +0000
  Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-03-29 10:37 +0100
    Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-29 20:59 +0000
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-03-30 00:14 +0100
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-03-30 00:45 +0100
          Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-29 17:03 -0700
            Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-03-30 01:06 +0100
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-29 23:51 +0000
          Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-29 17:08 -0700
            Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-30 01:12 +0000
              Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-29 18:15 -0700
              Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-30 01:21 +0000
          Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-03-30 01:30 +0100
            Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-30 01:15 +0000
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-29 17:01 -0700
          Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-03-30 01:49 +0100
            Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-29 18:00 -0700
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-31 20:47 +0000
    Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-03-30 00:22 +0100
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-30 05:54 +0000
  Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-03-29 09:55 +0000
    Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Josef Möllers <josef@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-29 12:10 +0100
    Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-03-29 11:40 +0000
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-03-29 12:02 +0000
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-29 17:09 +0000
          Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-03-29 17:18 +0000
            Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-29 17:25 +0000
              Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-03-30 10:16 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-03-30 11:35 +0100
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-30 18:10 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-01 08:31 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-30 19:27 +0000
    Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-03-29 08:44 -0700
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-03-29 16:02 +0000
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-03-29 09:10 -0700
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-29 17:13 +0000
          Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-03-29 17:20 +0000
            Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-29 17:58 +0000
              Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-29 14:51 -0400
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-03-29 16:38 -0300
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-03-29 18:32 -0400
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-03-30 00:14 +0100
              Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-03-30 10:19 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-30 18:46 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-01 08:32 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-04-01 06:49 -0300
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-01 14:47 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-04-01 18:25 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-04-01 21:26 -0300
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-02 00:57 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-04-01 18:18 -0700
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-02 03:01 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-04-02 05:28 -0400
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-03 00:25 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-04-02 15:20 -0300
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-04-02 18:58 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-04-02 18:59 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2024-04-02 22:05 +0200
                Too much? (Was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-04-02 20:16 +0000
                Re: Too much? (Was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-04-02 20:20 +0000
                Re: Too much? (Was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-04-02 20:36 +0000
                Re: Too much? (Was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-03 09:38 +0200
                Re: Too much? (Was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-04-03 19:06 -0400
                Football (Was: Too much? (Was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages)) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-04-03 23:22 +0000
                Re: Too much? (Was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) Chris Elvidge <chris@mshome.net> - 2024-04-04 14:50 +0100
                Re: Too much? (Was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-04 14:10 +0000
                Re: Too much? (Was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-04 21:47 +0200
                Re: Too much? (Was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) Mister Johnson <root@example.net> - 2024-04-04 21:15 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-04-02 19:15 -0400
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-03 00:23 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-04-03 07:18 -0300
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-04-02 16:18 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-04-02 16:33 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-03 00:23 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-03 09:50 +0200
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-03 07:53 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-03 07:53 -0700
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-04-03 09:00 -0700
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-04-03 17:16 +0100
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-04 08:13 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-04 23:29 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-05 09:17 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-04-05 12:40 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-05 15:09 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-04-06 01:10 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-05 23:11 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Alan Bawden <alan@csail.mit.edu> - 2024-04-05 19:35 -0400
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-06 00:25 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-08 08:20 -0700
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-08 22:14 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-08 15:58 -0700
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-04-09 08:47 +0100
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-04-09 10:07 +0200
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-04-09 18:57 +0100
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-09 10:11 +0200
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-09 08:38 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-09 15:22 +0200
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-10 00:32 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-04-10 01:35 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-04-08 23:02 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-04-06 01:01 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-06 15:44 +0200
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-06 15:03 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-04-06 01:10 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-06 09:00 +0000
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                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-08 07:47 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-08 14:35 +0200
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-08 14:33 +0000
                Words to the wise (Was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-04-08 15:20 +0000
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                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-04-08 19:32 +0000
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                Re: Phrases that should be banned on Usenet (Was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-04-09 20:20 +0000
                Re: Phrases that should be banned on Usenet (Was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-10 00:31 +0000
                Re: Phrases that should be banned on Usenet (Was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) Mister Johnson <root@example.net> - 2024-04-10 10:37 +0000
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                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-09 15:09 +0000
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                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-09 08:40 -0700
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                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-04-05 18:30 +0200
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                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-04-10 19:03 +0200
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-04-07 14:45 -0700
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-04-08 14:11 +0200
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-04-07 15:47 +0000
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                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-06 22:57 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-04-07 01:31 +0200
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-04-07 01:47 +0200
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-06 23:57 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-04-06 20:41 -0700
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-06 08:58 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-06 23:49 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-08 07:44 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-08 22:16 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-04-06 18:49 +0200
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-03 18:30 +0200
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-04-03 10:19 -0700
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-03 21:33 +0200
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-04-03 12:58 -0700
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-01 21:41 +0000
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        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-30 19:32 +0100
          Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-30 20:19 +0000
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-29 17:12 +0000
  Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-03-29 08:09 -0300
    Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-03-29 12:36 +0100
    Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-29 21:06 +0000
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-03-29 21:24 -0300
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-30 01:11 +0000
    Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-03-29 21:17 -0300
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-03-30 11:28 +0100
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2024-03-30 13:37 +0000
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-30 19:25 +0000
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2024-03-30 21:48 +0000
    Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-01 11:15 -0700
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-04-01 19:42 +0000
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-01 13:25 -0700
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-02 00:20 +0000
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-04-02 05:13 -0400
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-01 13:44 -0700
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-01 14:30 -0700
          Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-04-01 22:40 +0000
            Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-04-02 15:30 +0000
              Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-02 08:43 -0700
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-04-02 16:09 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-04-02 18:50 +0000
            Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-04-03 15:45 +0100
              Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-04-03 16:56 +0000
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-04-01 15:56 -0700
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-02 00:19 +0000
    Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-01 21:43 +0000
    Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-04-07 00:01 +0000
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-07 02:02 +0000
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-04-06 20:46 -0700
          Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-04-12 15:55 +0200
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-08 07:55 -0700
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-04-08 17:54 +0000
          Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-08 22:21 +0000
          Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-04-12 15:48 +0200
            I did not inhale (Was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-04-12 14:13 +0000
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                Re: I did not inhale (Was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-04-15 14:28 +0200
              Re: I did not inhale (Was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-04-12 16:52 +0000
                Re: I did not inhale Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-04-12 20:52 -0300
                Re: I did not inhale Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-04-13 08:17 -0300
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-13 21:54 +0000
            on Perl (was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-04-14 20:41 +0000
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              Re: on Perl (was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-04-15 12:43 +0000
                Re: on Perl (was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-15 22:12 +0000
                Re: on Perl (was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-15 15:29 -0700
                Re: on Perl (was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-15 22:58 +0000
                Re: on Perl (was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-16 10:14 +0200
                Re: on Perl (was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-16 08:35 +0000
                Re: on Perl (was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-16 11:35 +0200
                Re: on Perl Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2024-04-16 10:58 +0000
                Re: on Perl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-16 14:00 +0200
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-16 14:51 +0000
                Re: on Perl candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-04-16 15:10 +0000
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-16 15:42 +0000
                Re: on Perl Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-17 02:44 +0000
                Re: on Perl Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2024-04-17 07:34 +0200
                Re: on Perl Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-17 06:44 +0000
                Re: on Perl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-17 11:27 +0200
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-17 07:55 -0700
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-17 12:19 -0700
                Re: on Perl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-17 21:52 +0200
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-17 13:39 -0700
                Re: on Perl Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-04-18 04:18 +0000
                Re: on Perl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-18 10:30 +0200
                Re: on Perl Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-18 08:36 +0000
                Re: on Perl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-18 11:31 +0200
                Re: on Perl Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-04-23 14:09 +0100
                Back and forth (Was: on Perl) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-04-23 14:09 +0000
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                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-16 14:49 +0000
                Re: on Perl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-04-16 15:01 +0000
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-16 15:26 +0000
                Re: on Perl Chris Elvidge <chris@mshome.net> - 2024-04-16 16:42 +0100
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-16 15:43 +0000
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-16 08:49 -0700
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-16 15:51 +0000
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-16 08:59 -0700
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-16 16:13 +0000
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-16 09:18 -0700
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-17 08:22 +0000
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-17 07:59 -0700
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-17 16:15 +0000
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-17 09:55 -0700
                Re: on Perl D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-04-17 23:05 +0200
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-18 07:35 +0000
                Re: on Perl D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-04-18 11:28 +0200
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-18 15:37 +0000
                Re: on Perl D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-04-18 20:59 +0200
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-19 08:57 +0000
                Re: on Perl D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-04-19 22:40 +0200
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-20 08:58 +0000
                Re: on Perl D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-04-20 12:40 +0200
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-20 10:52 +0000
                Re: on Perl D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-04-20 21:00 +0200
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-18 07:33 +0000
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-18 10:16 -0700
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-19 08:57 +0000
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-19 16:08 -0700
                Re: on Perl gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-04-20 01:48 +0000
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-24 08:36 -0700
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-20 08:59 +0000
                Re: on Perl gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-04-16 18:11 +0000
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-17 08:23 +0000
                Re: on Perl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-17 11:36 +0200
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-17 10:21 +0000
                Re: on Perl gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-04-16 18:09 +0000
                Re: on Perl "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-04-16 12:05 -0400
                Re: on Perl "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-04-16 12:25 -0400
                Re: on Perl Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2024-04-16 19:59 +0000
                Re: on Perl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-04-16 13:36 -0700
                Re: on Perl candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-04-16 16:10 +0000
                Re: on Perl Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-17 02:45 +0000
                Re: on Perl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-17 11:44 +0200
                Re: on Perl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-17 11:30 +0200
                Re: on Perl candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-04-18 15:10 +0000
                Re: on Perl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-18 21:55 +0200
                Re: on Perl Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-04-16 20:47 +0000
                Re: on Perl Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-17 03:14 +0000
                Re: on Perl Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-04-17 18:04 +0100
                Re: on Perl Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-17 23:23 +0000
                Re: on Perl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-04-17 16:59 -0700
                Re: on Perl Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-18 01:33 +0000
                Re: on Perl Rainer Weikusat <rweikusat@talktalk.net> - 2024-04-18 18:09 +0100
  Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-29 13:47 +0100
    Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-29 20:36 +0000
  Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2024-03-30 12:44 +0100
    Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-03-30 14:28 -0700
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2024-03-31 22:06 +0200

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