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Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages

From John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.unix.shell, comp.unix.programmer, comp.lang.misc
Subject Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages
Date 2024-04-01 11:15 -0700
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Message-ID <20240401111552.00006ddc@gmail.com> (permalink)
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On 1 Apr 2024 14:16:33 GMT
ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote:

>   In a non-scripting programming language, the types often are
>   based on hardware, like "16 bit integer", and typing is often
>   handled in a static and rather strict way. Higher types, like
>   strings whose size can change at run time, are often missing.

Notwithstanding the fuzziness granted by the use of "often" here, this
doesn't seem like a terribly accurate assessment. Lots of compiled/
"non-scripting" languages - *however* you define that - have dynamic
strings; even C++ provides that as part of the standard library
(admittedly, not as a basic language construct, but that's C for you -
*every* data structure is essentially pointers in a trenchcoat.) AFAIK
it's much rarer to *lack* that capability; C does, for aforementioned
reasons (although you can certainly roll your own,) O.G. Pascal did (as
a hideous misfeature,) probably a few other current systems languages...
but not many spring to mind.

It's also not terribly true that "non-scripting" languages are pre-
dominantly statically-typed. It's more common, certainly, but there are
still a number of compiled applications languages with some kind of
dynamic support. And while the division of number types into floating-
point and integer is very frequently the case, most language standards
don't specify word sizes that strictly (even in C, stdint.h wasn't
introduced until C99 - which lead to headaches of its own, as anyone
who's tried to run old code that makes assumptions about sizeof(int) on
targets that break those assumptions can attest.) Plenty of "non-
scripting" languages include or can be extended with support for
arbitrary bignum types, as well.

>   Scripting languages handle the memory for you. In a scripting
>   language, you cannot call "malloc" to obtain the obligation to
>   free this piece of memory exactly once in the future. They are
>   garbage collected.

And while this is pretty true of scripting languages, it doesn't make
for a good point-of-contrast with "non-scripting" languages; *piles* of
them include support for automatic memory management, and some (outside
of the C family) don't even include facilities for doing it "by hand."

Overall, this seems like a very narrow and C-centric view of programming
language design - and while C is definitely *my* language-of-choice for
application development,* let's not pretend it's the absolute be-all
and end-all, as if there *could* be such a thing in a field as vast and
diverse as this!

* (Funnily enough, for a lot of "scripting" type jobs, my go-to is
  actually a compiled language - FreeBasic.)

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                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-09 00:07 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-03 18:30 +0200
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-04-03 10:19 -0700
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-03 21:33 +0200
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-04-03 12:58 -0700
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-01 21:41 +0000
            Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2024-04-01 17:11 +0200
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2024-03-29 18:12 +0000
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-03-30 19:32 +0100
          Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-30 20:19 +0000
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-03-29 17:12 +0000
  Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-03-29 08:09 -0300
    Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-03-29 12:36 +0100
    Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-29 21:06 +0000
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-03-29 21:24 -0300
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-03-30 01:11 +0000
    Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-03-29 21:17 -0300
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-03-30 11:28 +0100
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2024-03-30 13:37 +0000
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-03-30 19:25 +0000
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2024-03-30 21:48 +0000
    Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-01 11:15 -0700
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-04-01 19:42 +0000
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-01 13:25 -0700
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-02 00:20 +0000
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages James Kuyper <jameskuyper@alumni.caltech.edu> - 2024-04-02 05:13 -0400
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-01 13:44 -0700
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-01 14:30 -0700
          Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-04-01 22:40 +0000
            Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-04-02 15:30 +0000
              Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-02 08:43 -0700
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-04-02 16:09 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-04-02 18:50 +0000
            Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-04-03 15:45 +0100
              Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-04-03 16:56 +0000
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-04-01 15:56 -0700
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-02 00:19 +0000
    Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-01 21:43 +0000
    Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-04-07 00:01 +0000
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-07 02:02 +0000
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-04-06 20:46 -0700
          Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-04-12 15:55 +0200
      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-08 07:55 -0700
        Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-04-08 17:54 +0000
          Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-08 22:21 +0000
          Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-04-12 15:48 +0200
            I did not inhale (Was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-04-12 14:13 +0000
              Re: I did not inhale (Was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-04-12 14:15 +0000
                Re: I did not inhale (Was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2024-04-15 14:28 +0200
              Re: I did not inhale (Was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-04-12 16:52 +0000
                Re: I did not inhale Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-04-12 20:52 -0300
                Re: I did not inhale Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-04-13 08:17 -0300
                Re: I did not inhale kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2024-08-15 19:48 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-15 23:54 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-16 01:30 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2024-08-16 15:02 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-08-16 09:37 -0700
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-17 11:18 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-08-17 09:01 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2024-08-17 12:58 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-17 21:51 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2024-08-18 10:10 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-08-18 08:30 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2024-08-18 12:19 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-08-18 15:45 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2024-08-18 18:13 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-18 16:52 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2024-08-18 20:07 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-18 23:18 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-18 22:15 +0100
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-08-18 08:55 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-08-18 09:21 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-18 16:46 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2024-08-18 20:11 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-19 04:54 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2024-08-19 09:09 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-18 23:14 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-08-18 08:17 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-18 16:59 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-08-18 15:23 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-08-18 16:55 +0200
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-08-18 12:24 -0700
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) kalevi@kolttonen.fi (Kalevi Kolttonen) - 2024-08-16 14:57 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-16 23:27 +0000
                Re: Python (was Re: I did not inhale) Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-08-17 01:01 +0000
                Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-13 21:54 +0000
            on Perl (was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-04-14 20:41 +0000
              Re: on Perl (was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-14 22:41 +0000
              Re: on Perl (was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@invalid.invalid> - 2024-04-15 12:43 +0000
                Re: on Perl (was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-15 22:12 +0000
                Re: on Perl (was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-15 15:29 -0700
                Re: on Perl (was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-15 22:58 +0000
                Re: on Perl (was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-16 10:14 +0200
                Re: on Perl (was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-16 08:35 +0000
                Re: on Perl (was: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-16 11:35 +0200
                Re: on Perl Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2024-04-16 10:58 +0000
                Re: on Perl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-16 14:00 +0200
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-16 14:51 +0000
                Re: on Perl candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-04-16 15:10 +0000
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-16 15:42 +0000
                Re: on Perl Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-17 02:44 +0000
                Re: on Perl Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2024-04-17 07:34 +0200
                Re: on Perl Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-17 06:44 +0000
                Re: on Perl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-17 11:27 +0200
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-17 07:55 -0700
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-17 12:19 -0700
                Re: on Perl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-17 21:52 +0200
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-17 13:39 -0700
                Re: on Perl Kaz Kylheku <643-408-1753@kylheku.com> - 2024-04-18 04:18 +0000
                Re: on Perl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-18 10:30 +0200
                Re: on Perl Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-18 08:36 +0000
                Re: on Perl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-18 11:31 +0200
                Re: on Perl Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> - 2024-04-23 14:09 +0100
                Back and forth (Was: on Perl) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-04-23 14:09 +0000
                Re: on Perl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-24 10:04 +0200
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-16 14:49 +0000
                Re: on Perl scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-04-16 15:01 +0000
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-16 15:26 +0000
                Re: on Perl Chris Elvidge <chris@mshome.net> - 2024-04-16 16:42 +0100
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-16 15:43 +0000
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-16 08:49 -0700
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-16 15:51 +0000
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-16 08:59 -0700
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-16 16:13 +0000
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-16 09:18 -0700
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-17 08:22 +0000
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-17 07:59 -0700
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-17 16:15 +0000
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-17 09:55 -0700
                Re: on Perl D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-04-17 23:05 +0200
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-18 07:35 +0000
                Re: on Perl D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-04-18 11:28 +0200
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-18 15:37 +0000
                Re: on Perl D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-04-18 20:59 +0200
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-19 08:57 +0000
                Re: on Perl D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-04-19 22:40 +0200
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-20 08:58 +0000
                Re: on Perl D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-04-20 12:40 +0200
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-20 10:52 +0000
                Re: on Perl D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-04-20 21:00 +0200
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-18 07:33 +0000
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-18 10:16 -0700
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-19 08:57 +0000
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-19 16:08 -0700
                Re: on Perl gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-04-20 01:48 +0000
                Re: on Perl John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2024-04-24 08:36 -0700
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-20 08:59 +0000
                Re: on Perl gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-04-16 18:11 +0000
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-17 08:23 +0000
                Re: on Perl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-17 11:36 +0200
                Re: on Perl Muttley@dastardlyhq.com - 2024-04-17 10:21 +0000
                Re: on Perl gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2024-04-16 18:09 +0000
                Re: on Perl "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2024-04-16 12:05 -0400
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                Re: on Perl Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2024-04-16 19:59 +0000
                Re: on Perl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-04-16 13:36 -0700
                Re: on Perl candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-04-16 16:10 +0000
                Re: on Perl Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-17 02:45 +0000
                Re: on Perl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-17 11:44 +0200
                Re: on Perl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-17 11:30 +0200
                Re: on Perl candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-04-18 15:10 +0000
                Re: on Perl David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2024-04-18 21:55 +0200
                Re: on Perl Javier <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-04-16 20:47 +0000
                Re: on Perl Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-17 03:14 +0000
                Re: on Perl Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2024-04-17 18:04 +0100
                Re: on Perl Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-17 23:23 +0000
                Re: on Perl Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2024-04-17 16:59 -0700
                Re: on Perl Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-04-18 01:33 +0000
                Re: on Perl Rainer Weikusat <rweikusat@talktalk.net> - 2024-04-18 18:09 +0100
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      Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> - 2024-03-31 22:06 +0200

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