Re: Ordinals

From	Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm>
Newsgroups	sci.math
Subject	Re: Ordinals
Date	2024-02-20 20:54 +0100
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The phrase the "The set of all ordinals" is meaningless if ordinals
are not sets itself. At the time of Burali-Forti set theory was
not that evolved. And the proof at that time didn't use regularity axiom.

So the set of all ordinals was a notion of naive set theory, and not
formulated in modern set theory ordinal terminology, but as a
question about transfinite numbers:

Una questione sui numeri transfiniti
https://zenodo.org/records/2362091/files/article.pdf

As one can see from the paper the proof proceeded by establishing:

Ω + 1 > Ω and Ω + 1 < Ωmarkus...@gmail.com schrieb:

> No set can contain itself. The set of all ordinals would be a new ordinal
and thus contain itself. Ergo, there cannot be a set of all ordinals.
>

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Re: Ordinals "markus...@gmail.com" <markusklyver@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 11:35 -0800
  Re: Ordinals Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-02-20 20:54 +0100
    Re: Ordinals "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 11:59 -0800
  Re: Ordinals Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 12:15 -0800
    Re: Ordinals Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 12:27 -0800
    Re: Ordinals Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-02-20 17:02 -0500
      Re: Ordinals Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 19:36 -0800
        Re: Ordinals Mild Shock <bursejan@gmail.com> - 2024-02-21 05:47 -0800
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        Re: Ordinals Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-02-21 10:24 -0800
          Re: Ordinals Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-02-22 09:03 +0100
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            Re: Ordinals Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-02-22 10:16 -0800
              Re: Ordinals Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-02-22 19:20 +0100
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                Re: Ordinals Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-02-22 19:40 +0100
                Re: Ordinals Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-02-22 20:00 +0100
                Re: Ordinals Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-02-22 10:55 -0800
                Re: Ordinals Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-02-22 20:08 +0100
                Re: Ordinals Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-02-22 20:13 +0100
                Re: Ordinals Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-02-22 11:01 -0800
                Re: Ordinals Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-02-22 20:11 +0100
                Re: Ordinals Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-02-22 20:13 +0100
            Re: Ordinals Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-02-22 14:34 -0500
              Re: Ordinals Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-02-22 11:39 -0800
              Re: Ordinals Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-02-23 00:41 +0100
      Re: Ordinals WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-02-21 08:33 +0000
        Re: Ordinals Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-02-21 12:59 -0500
          Re: Ordinals WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-02-22 13:00 +0000
            Re: Ordinals Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-02-22 11:13 -0500
              Re: Ordinals WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-02-23 08:47 +0000
                Semanticists candy (Was: Ordinals) Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-02-26 12:58 +0100
                Re: Ordinals Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-02-27 14:25 -0500
                Re: Ordinals Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-02-27 11:59 -0800
                Re: Ordinals WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-02-27 20:05 +0000
                Re: Ordinals Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-02-27 17:24 -0500
                Re: Ordinals WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-02-28 09:48 +0000
                Re: Ordinals Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-02-28 06:52 -0500
                Re: Ordinals WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-02-28 17:24 +0000
                Re: Ordinals Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-02-28 17:07 -0500
                Re: Ordinals WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-02-29 08:23 +0000
                Re: Ordinals Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-02-29 07:35 -0500
                Re: Ordinals WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-02-29 19:25 +0000
                Re: Ordinals "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-02-29 13:48 -0800
                Re: Ordinals Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-02-29 22:12 -0500
                Re: Ordinals Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-02-29 19:36 -0800
                Re: Ordinals Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-03-01 20:38 +0100
                Re: Ordinals Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-03-01 20:52 +0100
                Re: Ordinals Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-03-01 21:08 +0100
                Re: Ordinals Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-03-01 15:56 -0500
                Re: Ordinals Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-03-01 22:53 +0100
                Re: Ordinals Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-03-01 23:11 +0100
                Re: Ordinals Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-03-01 23:33 +0100
                Re: Ordinals Jim Burns <james.g.burns@att.net> - 2024-03-01 19:41 -0500
                Re: Ordinals Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-03-01 20:15 -0800
                Re: Ordinals Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-03-02 10:49 -0800
                Re: Ordinals Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-03-02 20:40 +0100
                Re: Ordinals Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-03-01 14:45 -0800
                Re: Ordinals WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-03-01 08:47 +0000
                Re: Ordinals Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-03-01 09:44 -0500
                Re: Ordinals WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-03-01 18:29 +0000
                Re: Ordinals Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-03-01 14:00 -0500
                Re: Ordinals WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-03-02 12:36 +0000
                Re: Ordinals Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-03-02 09:22 -0500
                Re: Ordinals WM <wolfgang.mueckenheim@tha.de> - 2024-03-02 15:25 +0000
  Re: Ordinals "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2024-02-20 17:21 -0800
    RSemanticists candy (Re: Ordinals) [Addendum] Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> - 2024-02-26 13:01 +0100

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