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Re: Carl Sagan

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On 12/17/2023 2:14 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
> Physfitfreak wrote:
>>
>> On 12/17/2023 12:05 AM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>> On 12/16/2023 11:36 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>> On 12/16/2023 11:08 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
>>>>> Never heard da name Velikovsky...not even worth googling it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Velikovsky was a cool guy in fact :) A keen sense of business, using
>>>> cro-magnon features in the American societies. It got him a lot of
>>>> money! Even in 1990s, at workplace when someone wanted to bring up a
>>>> "scientific" fact about the world, they'd tell me with enthusiasm how
>>>> they enjoyed reading of "Worlds in Collision" (or something) by
>>>> Velikovsky. Americans were still reading those early 1950s stuff!...
>>>> more than 40 years after they appeared. So the guy was smart and knew
>>>> what he was doing. And did it perfectly well. Hahahah :))
>>>>
>>>> Sagan was too good for that level of people (much higher in number
>>>> compared to Sagan's readers), and couldn't sell well among them.
>>>> Velikovsky had placed himself right at the correct position, targeting
>>>> the largest part of Americans that read books at all. Very clever way
>>>> of making a lot of money.
>>>>
>>>> This Archie here isn't even a fart compared with Velikovsky, although
>>>> is trying to do the same. In fact, I don't think he has had any of his
>>>> ebooks read by even by one person :) So describing him as "fart"
>>>> indeed is an overestimation. Big strategic mistake, costing him a lot
>>>> of time wasted. He chose the wrong subject. Americans aren't
>>>> interested in physics and math. As simple as that.
>>>>
>>>> Velikovsky, on the other had, cleverly made his claims about the Earth
>>>> and solar system carefully look similar to Americans' religious
>>>> beliefs! So everybody who knew something about Bible would get
>>>> immensely curious to see what this "scientist" was saying. He said
>>>> everything in a way to give it a scientific tone. Very clever.
>>>>
>>>> Sagan, had another formula for making his books successful, which
>>>> satiated the appetites of much fewer people in the USA.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sagan was very successful in selling his books too, but nothing compared
>>> to Velikovsky. He was so pissed at Velikovsky for giving bullshit to
>>> dumb people, making them even more removed from reality, and making 50
>>> times more money in doing that compared with himself. So there was this
>>> intense resentment between the scientist Sagan, towards the businessman
>>> Velikovsky hiding himself inside a scientist's shell.
>>>
>>> Very interesting situation :)
>>>
>>> Velikovsky was no stranger with true science (he had several degrees in
>>> various fields), but was trying to make a lot of money, not to educate
>>> people about anything. He just used the "science" theme because he knew
>>> it would work pretty well when making it look like something close to
>>> religious predictions crap. His formula was pure gold.
>>>
>>
>> In fact, I just checked, _all_ his books are still in print and being
>> newly printed. They're still selling like hell. 70 years after first
>> coming out and making him rich throughout 1950s and 60s and 70s, till
>> the last day he lived; and they're still pouring money into pockets of
>> whoever that owns the rights to his works. A testament to the fact that
>> American society has not taken one step away from total ignorance and
>> isolation.
>>
>> His books are written for Sheep. For the exact way through which Sheep
>> look at "science". And sheep, American people have been and are, and
>> will be in the future as long as their isolation from reality is
>> maintained.
> 
> Like you said, you're not a business. Carl Sagan was a 'TVeee
> Scientists'.
> 
> That means every time a cow burbed or an apple fell from a tree the
> media would call him and he was ON THE AIR...selling books.
> 
> He'd be on the radio stations all over the united states talking on the
> phone
> and showing up at TV News stations all over the usa.
> 
> They are the ones who sold his books.
> 
> Each radion and tvee stations has millions of viewers and listners.
> 
> 
> dat is how you sell books.
> 
> Everybody at FoxNews automatically has a number one best seller.
> 
> And it's not because the book is good.
> 
> "These Boots Are Made For Walking." was a hit because
> Frank Sinatra made the radio stations play it oven and over and over and
> over....
> 
> 
> 

True, but Velikovsky did all that without the TV and radio, 50 times 
better than Sagan... So it sure says something about his formula :)

It was simply based on the reality of who Americans are, not on science. 
So it won big time and this pissed Sagan up so much....

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