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Re: cars and COBOL and tricks

From	Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: cars and COBOL and tricks
Date	2022-08-05 13:13 -0400
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Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:

> On 2022-08-05, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>
>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
>>
>>> According to 25B.Z969 <25B.Z969@noda.net>:
>>>
>>>>> There are too many things you need digital for, from anti-lock brakes to
>>>>> engine control.
>>>>
>>>>   I drove cars for decades that didn't have those "luxury
>>>>   features" ...... they got you from A to B just fine,
>>>>   they WORKED, they could be MADE, SOLD and BOUGHT.
>>>
>>> So did I.  They got 19 MPG and fell apart after 75,000 miles.  No thanks.
>>
>> You were lucky to get 19MPG,  8 to 10mpg was common until
>> the late 70s.
>>
>> And you needed new tires every 10k miles (pre radial) and they
>> burned oil like locomotives.    Frequent tuneups,  poor cabin
>> acoustics, rough rides, thrown rods.
>
> You might be exaggerating a bit.  My 1970 Suburban got 15 MPG
> with its 350-cubic-inch engine and 4-barrel carburetor.  Mind
> you, those were Imperial gallons.  And I figured you could get
> 30k miles from a set of tires - but I much prefer radials.
> (At one point I found myself with a mix of radial and bias-ply
> tires.  It did _not_ handle well.)
>
>> I'll take a modern car anyday.
>
> So will I - they sure start more easily on a cold day.
> Or any day, for that matter.  I might change my mind
> with the current genration, though - at least until
> someone hacks the onboard computers and disconnects
> the surveillance equipment.

I don't have anything that modern but stopping the surveillance should
be as simple as failing to pay the monthly fee.  (Leave your cell phone
at home if you really care.)

My car is not new enough for the backup camera but that seems like a
worthwhile feature.  The anti-lock brakes are really good and I really
like not needing a tune up every 10K miles.

-- 
Dan Espen

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  Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-07-23 19:32 +0000
    Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-23 21:48 +0000
      Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-24 00:07 -0400
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          Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-26 20:43 +0000
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        Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-25 22:52 +0000
          Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 01:35 -0400
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            Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-26 20:43 +0000
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                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 22:45 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-27 18:10 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-31 22:35 -0400
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      Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-25 14:13 +0000
      Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-25 19:42 -0400
        Re: COBOL and tricks Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-07-26 10:48 +0200
          Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 10:40 +0100
            Re: COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 14:13 +0100
              Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-26 15:10 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-26 14:41 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 15:52 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 16:20 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-07-26 16:48 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-26 16:17 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 21:58 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-26 22:19 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-27 18:10 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:49 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:49 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-26 22:20 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 01:59 -0400
              Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 16:12 +0100
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                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 11:36 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-27 12:28 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 18:50 +0100
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                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 19:09 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 14:20 +0100
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                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-27 13:48 +0000
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                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-27 15:20 +0000
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            Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-27 23:00 -0400
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                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-28 15:10 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-28 18:11 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-29 13:02 +0100
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                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-28 12:13 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-29 13:03 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-29 15:23 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-31 23:23 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 09:45 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-01 14:50 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-01 14:51 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 14:18 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-01 18:38 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-01 20:55 +0000
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                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 01:21 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-01 15:40 +0000
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              Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-29 00:23 -0400
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                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-29 23:57 -0400
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                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-30 15:04 +0000
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                Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-07-31 12:55 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-31 19:32 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-07-31 19:13 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-07-31 19:17 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-07-31 16:45 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-01 00:38 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 08:09 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-01 11:02 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 12:02 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-01 17:35 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-01 18:06 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 19:05 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 20:35 +0100
                Re: boot me, COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-01 21:10 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-01 18:53 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 20:37 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-02 09:39 +0100
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-02 17:05 +0000
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-03 01:05 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-03 11:51 -0500
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 22:11 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-05 06:52 +0100
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-06 00:30 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-07 22:36 +0000
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-07 20:27 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-08 06:09 +0000
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 14:53 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-13 19:44 +0000
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2022-08-13 16:51 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-14 14:34 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-01 08:19 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-01 14:00 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-01 14:46 +0000
              Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-29 08:09 -0400
            Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-29 00:00 -0400
              Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-29 18:55 +0000
                Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 00:53 -0400
                Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks Timothy McCaffrey <timcaffrey420@gmail.com> - 2022-08-04 07:52 -0700
                Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-04 17:00 +0000
              Re: COBOL and tricks drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-07-29 16:41 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 01:03 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-30 08:16 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 19:50 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-30 14:56 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 20:35 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-31 21:51 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-31 21:26 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 02:07 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-02 14:30 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-08-02 15:09 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-03 01:07 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-03 13:41 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 01:31 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-04 06:27 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-04 08:23 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-04 18:05 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 23:35 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-05 16:45 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-05 21:50 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-06 02:21 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 23:29 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-05 03:33 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-05 14:05 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-05 16:01 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-05 16:45 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-08-05 13:13 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-05 19:14 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-08-05 23:20 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-05 21:40 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Ibmekon <Ibmekon@google.com> - 2022-08-05 23:35 +0100
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-05 17:51 -0500
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Ibmekon <Ibmekon@google.com> - 2022-08-06 00:30 +0100
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-06 13:32 -0500
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-06 07:06 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-06 06:56 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Ibmekon <Ibmekon@google.com> - 2022-08-06 17:39 +0100
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-06 13:30 -0500
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-05 19:12 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-05 21:03 +0100
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-05 21:45 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 14:58 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-06 02:19 +0100
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-05 21:44 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 15:03 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-06 02:15 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 01:03 -0400
          Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-28 23:43 -0400
            Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-29 15:23 -0700
              Re: old firms, was COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-29 22:58 +0000
              Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 01:04 -0400
              Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-06 00:06 -0400
      Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 00:32 -0400
        Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-02 09:23 -0700
          Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 00:46 -0400
            Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-04 10:34 +0100
              Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 11:07 -0400

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