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Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks

From	J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks
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Date	2022-08-13 14:53 -0400

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On Wed, 3 Aug 2022 01:05:13 -0400, "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net>
wrote:

>On 8/2/22 1:05 PM, John Levine wrote:
>> According to Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1>:
>>> On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 20:37:43 +0100
>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 12:22:38 -0700
>>>> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If engineers built bridges the way programmers write programs, the first
>>>>> stiff breeze that came along would destroy civilization.
>>>>
>>>> 	Tacoma Narrows 1940 - nuff said ?
>>>>
>>> Beta-test first. And always keep a backup.
>> 
>> Oddly, there was a backup for Galloping Gertie. The Bronx-Whitestone
>> Bridge in New York City which opened in 1939 used a similar design.
>> When the Tacoma Narrows bridge collapsed, and although it was shorter
>> and wider and so less likely to oscillate, they addded stiffening
>> trusses anyway after the war. It's been widened and refurblshed in
>> ways that let them remove the trusses in the mid 2000s. Now it's part
>> of I-678 and is used by over 100,000 vehicles per day.
>
>   "Gertie" was a real (and expensive) textbook lesson
>   in resonance. It was basically a big long guitar
>   string whipping in the wind. Tesla, long before,
>   fully understood structural resonance issues - even
>   built a little "shaker" device he (claimed) could
>   collapse large buildings and bridges. I have doubts,
>   but the *principle* was sound.

I'm flashing on a rather small, rather slender female accountant of my
acquaintance who whenever she walked down the hall in the building in
which I was working shook the whole building.  Seems her walking pace
came pretty close to hitting the resonant frequency of the flooring.

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Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-23 15:18 -0400
  Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-07-23 19:32 +0000
    Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-23 21:48 +0000
      Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-24 00:07 -0400
    Re: COBOL and tricks Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2022-07-23 23:50 +0000
      Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-24 01:31 -0400
        Re: COBOL and tricks Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2022-08-19 22:08 -0400
          Re: COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-20 03:20 +0000
            Re: COBOL and tricks Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2022-08-19 17:59 -1000
              Re: COBOL and tricks Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2022-08-20 11:48 -1000
      Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-24 06:44 +0100
      Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-07-24 21:13 +0100
        Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-24 19:49 -0400
        Re: COBOL and tricks drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-07-24 21:25 -0500
          Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-25 13:52 +0000
            Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-07-25 20:57 +0100
            Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-25 13:56 -0700
              Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-25 21:45 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-25 18:55 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-29 04:24 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-10-29 16:47 -0400
              Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-25 19:27 -0400
              Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-29 04:19 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-10-29 12:17 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-10-29 22:44 +0000
        Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-25 00:02 -0400
          Re: COBOL and tricks Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-25 10:56 +0000
            Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-25 13:57 -0700
          Re: COBOL and tricks Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2022-07-25 12:54 +0000
    Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-23 23:08 -0400
      Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-25 05:36 +0000
        Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 01:11 -0400
          Re: COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-07-26 06:13 +0000
          Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-26 20:43 +0000
      Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-29 04:40 -0500
        Re: COBOL and tricks Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2022-10-30 15:34 -0300
          Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-10-31 04:09 +0000
  Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-23 15:23 -0700
    Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-23 15:26 -0700
    Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-25 00:08 -0400
      Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-25 13:55 -0700
        Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-25 22:52 +0000
          Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 01:35 -0400
          Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 02:20 -0500
            Re: COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-10-28 08:03 +0000
              Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-10-28 22:17 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-29 07:45 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-10-29 17:07 +0000
        Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 01:28 -0400
          Re: COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-26 19:38 +0000
            Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-26 20:43 +0000
              Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 21:53 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-26 22:21 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 22:45 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-27 18:10 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-31 22:35 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 02:37 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-10-28 22:16 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-30 20:47 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-10-30 22:18 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2022-10-30 14:20 -1000
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-10-31 14:43 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-10-31 09:37 -0700
            Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:57 -0700
              Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-27 18:10 +0000
              Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 02:43 -0500
            Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 22:32 -0400
              Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-27 13:51 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-27 18:10 +0000
            Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 02:24 -0500
              Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-10-28 13:41 +0000
          Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-26 20:43 +0000
            Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:57 -0700
            Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 22:57 -0400
              Re: COBOL and tricks drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-07-27 14:49 -0500
              Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-27 21:28 +0100
              Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 02:52 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2022-10-28 09:45 -0600
            Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 11:39 +0100
        Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 21:52 +0100
          Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-26 22:26 +0100
            Re: COBOL and tricks Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2022-07-31 13:38 +0000
              Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 02:59 -0500
            Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-31 21:27 +0100
              Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-31 18:05 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-01 02:05 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 03:09 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-28 11:26 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-10-28 22:17 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2022-10-30 01:07 -0300
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-30 05:49 -0500
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-10-29 19:09 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-10-29 15:43 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-30 15:55 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-10-30 21:07 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-30 15:53 +0000
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-10-30 10:24 -0700
                Re: self-documenting APL, not COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-10-30 19:15 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-10-29 19:23 +0000
              Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-31 21:54 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-08-01 15:56 -0400
                Re: APL, COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-01 21:08 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-01 22:59 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-02 09:42 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-02 09:23 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 03:24 -0500
    Re: COBOL and tricks Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-07-25 13:37 +0200
      Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-25 14:13 +0000
      Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-25 19:42 -0400
        Re: COBOL and tricks Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-07-26 10:48 +0200
          Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 10:40 +0100
            Re: COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 14:13 +0100
              Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-26 15:10 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-26 14:41 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 15:52 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 16:20 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-07-26 16:48 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-26 16:17 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 21:58 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-26 22:19 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-27 18:10 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:49 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:49 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-26 22:20 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 01:59 -0400
              Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 16:12 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2022-07-26 17:53 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 11:36 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-27 12:28 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 18:50 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2022-07-27 13:01 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 19:09 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 14:20 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 19:10 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-27 15:19 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 19:34 +0100
          Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-26 07:44 -0400
            Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-26 20:43 +0000
              Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-26 20:15 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-27 13:48 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-27 10:14 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-27 15:20 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-27 15:19 -0700
            Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:49 -0700
              Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-26 20:25 -0400
            Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-27 23:00 -0400
              Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-28 07:01 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-28 15:10 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-28 18:11 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-29 13:02 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-31 22:40 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-28 12:13 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-29 13:03 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-29 15:23 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-31 23:23 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 09:45 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-01 14:50 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-01 14:51 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 14:18 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-01 18:38 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-01 20:55 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 01:21 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-01 15:40 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-08-01 16:07 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-01 20:33 +0000
                mainframe boot floppies [was Re: COBOL and tricks] Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-08-02 15:16 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 14:15 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-01 19:47 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 15:58 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-01 18:53 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 20:41 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-28 03:44 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-28 11:30 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-10-28 13:52 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-01 15:08 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-01 17:31 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-01 17:05 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-02 11:05 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 01:05 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-02 11:12 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-02 09:29 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-03 00:42 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-02 23:47 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-02 09:23 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-03 00:51 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 20:48 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 19:11 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 01:54 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-29 07:46 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-10-29 15:49 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-10-29 15:43 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-10-30 09:41 +0000
          Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:49 -0700
          Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-27 22:48 -0400
        Re: COBOL and tricks Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2022-09-13 19:56 -0400
          Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-09-14 14:05 +0000
      Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-27 21:37 -0400
        Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-28 13:02 +0000
          Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-28 23:40 -0400
            Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-29 15:54 +0000
              Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-31 23:47 -0400
            Re: COBOL and tricks drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-07-29 17:02 -0500
        Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-28 12:13 -0700
          Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-28 19:49 +0000
            Re: ancient I/O, was COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-29 18:37 +0000
          Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-28 16:35 -0400
            Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-28 17:52 -0700
              Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-29 00:23 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2022-07-29 09:15 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-29 08:13 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-29 23:57 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-30 08:13 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-30 15:04 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 21:07 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-07-31 12:55 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-31 19:32 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-07-31 19:13 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-07-31 19:17 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-07-31 16:45 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-01 00:38 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 08:09 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-01 11:02 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 12:02 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-01 17:35 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-01 18:06 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 19:05 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 20:35 +0100
                Re: boot me, COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-01 21:10 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-01 18:53 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-30 05:25 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Thomas Koenig <tkoenig@netcologne.de> - 2022-10-30 11:33 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-10-30 12:59 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-10-31 03:52 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-31 08:12 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 20:37 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-02 09:39 +0100
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-02 17:05 +0000
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-03 01:05 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-03 11:51 -0500
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 22:11 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-05 06:52 +0100
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-06 00:30 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-07 22:36 +0000
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-07 20:27 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-08 06:09 +0000
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 14:53 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-13 19:44 +0000
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2022-08-13 16:51 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-14 14:34 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> - 2022-10-30 05:26 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-01 08:19 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-01 14:00 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-01 14:46 +0000
              Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-29 08:09 -0400
            Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-29 00:00 -0400
              Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-29 18:55 +0000
                Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 00:53 -0400
                Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks Timothy McCaffrey <timcaffrey420@gmail.com> - 2022-08-04 07:52 -0700
                Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-04 17:00 +0000
              Re: COBOL and tricks drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-07-29 16:41 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 01:03 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-30 08:16 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 19:50 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-30 14:56 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 20:35 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-31 21:51 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-31 21:26 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 02:07 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-02 14:30 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-08-02 15:09 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-03 01:07 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-03 13:41 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 01:31 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-04 06:27 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-04 08:23 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-04 18:05 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 23:35 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-05 16:45 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-05 21:50 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-06 02:21 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 23:29 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-05 03:33 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-05 14:05 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-05 16:01 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-05 16:45 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-08-05 13:13 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-05 19:14 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-08-05 23:20 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-05 21:40 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Ibmekon <Ibmekon@google.com> - 2022-08-05 23:35 +0100
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-05 17:51 -0500
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Ibmekon <Ibmekon@google.com> - 2022-08-06 00:30 +0100
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-06 13:32 -0500
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-06 07:06 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-06 06:56 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Ibmekon <Ibmekon@google.com> - 2022-08-06 17:39 +0100
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-06 13:30 -0500
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks John McCue <jmccue@magnetar.hsd1.ma.comcast.net> - 2022-10-29 17:05 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2022-10-29 19:16 -0600
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2022-10-30 09:43 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-10-30 06:57 -0700
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-10-30 22:28 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Joe Pfeiffer <pfeiffer@cs.nmsu.edu> - 2022-10-31 08:29 -0600
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-10-30 06:14 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-05 19:12 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-05 21:03 +0100
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-05 21:45 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 14:58 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-06 02:19 +0100
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-05 21:44 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 15:03 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-06 02:15 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 01:03 -0400
          Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-28 23:43 -0400
            Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-29 15:23 -0700
              Re: old firms, was COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-29 22:58 +0000
              Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 01:04 -0400
              Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-06 00:06 -0400
      Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 00:32 -0400
        Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-02 09:23 -0700
          Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 00:46 -0400
            Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-04 10:34 +0100
              Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 11:07 -0400

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