Re: COBOL and tricks

Subject	Re: COBOL and tricks
Newsgroups	alt.folklore.computers, comp.os.linux.misc
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From	"25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net>
Date	2022-08-04 11:07 -0400
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On 8/4/22 5:34 AM, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Thu, 4 Aug 2022 00:46:37 -0400
> "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> wrote:
> 
> []
>>     As for PL/I ... it's one of the first things I checked out
> []
>>
>>     Now how do we pry it away from IBM ?  GPLI ?  I do prefer
>>     native compilers over 'convert-2-C' approaches though.
>>
> 
> http://pl1gcc.sourceforge.net/
> 
> needs some work.
> 
> But it seems to be tricky
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PL/I#Implementation_issues

   BUT you can get BrainFuck compilers  :-)

   Admittedly PL/I was a rather "fractured" language, many
   flavors and sub-versions. If you ask somebody to write
   an open-source PL/I the first question is "WHICH PI/I ?"
   Of course some enthusiasists, a new K&R, could just
   make up their own 'and the kitchen-sink to' version
   and promote it. As that wiki said, even some common
   looping paradigms never became "standard" in PL/I and
   it'd be nice to have a few - though GOTOs, sanely used,
   DO work quite well.

   As for the GNU approach of translating other languages
   into 'C' (why not just write it in 'C' in the first place) ...
   there MAY come a point where even 'C' isn't up to it -
   consider the trend towards 'neural networks' and quantum.
   The straight-up step-by-step 'C' approach doesn't seem
   well suited for quantum and NNs are an odd mix between
   sorta-traditional software and super-capable processor
   arrays like NVIDIA sells (hardware/software/firmware all
   in one thing - more like a brain).

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Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-19 22:34 -0400
  Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-07-20 02:50 +0000
    Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-07-20 10:06 +0100
      Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-20 17:16 +0000
        Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-07-20 20:09 +0100
          Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-07-20 19:30 +0000
            Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-20 23:09 +0000
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    Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-20 17:16 +0000
    Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-23 15:18 -0400
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        Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-23 21:48 +0000
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        Re: COBOL and tricks Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2022-07-23 23:50 +0000
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            Re: COBOL and tricks Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2022-08-19 22:08 -0400
              Re: COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-20 03:20 +0000
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          Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-07-24 21:13 +0100
            Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-24 19:49 -0400
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              Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-25 13:52 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-07-25 20:57 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-25 13:56 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-25 21:45 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-25 18:55 -0700
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            Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-25 00:02 -0400
              Re: COBOL and tricks Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-25 10:56 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-25 13:57 -0700
              Re: COBOL and tricks Allodoxaphobia <trepidation@example.net> - 2022-07-25 12:54 +0000
        Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-23 23:08 -0400
          Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-25 05:36 +0000
            Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 01:11 -0400
              Re: COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-07-26 06:13 +0000
              Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-26 20:43 +0000
      Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-23 15:23 -0700
        Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-23 15:26 -0700
        Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-25 00:08 -0400
          Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-25 13:55 -0700
            Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-25 22:52 +0000
              Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 01:35 -0400
            Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 01:28 -0400
              Re: COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-26 19:38 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-26 20:43 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 21:53 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-26 22:21 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 22:45 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-27 18:10 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-31 22:35 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:57 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-27 18:10 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 22:32 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-27 13:51 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-27 18:10 +0000
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                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-26 22:57 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-07-27 14:49 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-27 21:28 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 11:39 +0100
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                Re: COBOL and tricks Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2022-07-31 13:38 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-31 21:27 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-31 18:05 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-01 02:05 +0000
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                Re: COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-08-01 15:56 -0400
                Re: APL, COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-01 21:08 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-01 22:59 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-02 09:42 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-02 09:23 -0700
        Re: COBOL and tricks Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-07-25 13:37 +0200
          Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-25 14:13 +0000
          Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-25 19:42 -0400
            Re: COBOL and tricks Johnny Billquist <bqt@softjar.se> - 2022-07-26 10:48 +0200
              Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 10:40 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 14:13 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-26 15:10 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-26 14:41 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 15:52 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 16:20 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2022-07-26 16:48 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-26 16:17 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 21:58 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-26 22:19 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-27 18:10 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:49 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:49 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-26 22:20 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 01:59 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 16:12 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2022-07-26 17:53 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 11:36 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-27 12:28 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 18:50 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2022-07-27 13:01 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 19:09 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 14:20 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-27 19:10 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-27 15:19 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-26 19:34 +0100
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                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-07-26 20:43 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-26 20:15 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-27 13:48 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-27 10:14 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-27 15:20 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-27 15:19 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-26 13:49 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-26 20:25 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-27 23:00 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-28 07:01 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-28 15:10 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-28 18:11 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-29 13:02 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-31 22:40 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-28 12:13 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-29 13:03 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-29 15:23 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-31 23:23 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-01 09:45 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-01 14:50 +0000
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                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-01 18:38 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-01 20:55 +0000
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                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 01:21 -0400
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            Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-28 13:02 +0000
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                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-29 15:54 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-31 23:47 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-07-29 17:02 -0500
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                Re: ancient I/O, was COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-29 18:37 +0000
              Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-28 16:35 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-28 17:52 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-29 00:23 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks cb@elaine.df.lth.se (Christian Brunschen) - 2022-07-29 09:15 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-29 08:13 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-29 23:57 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-30 08:13 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-30 15:04 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 21:07 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-07-31 12:55 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-07-31 19:32 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-07-31 19:13 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-07-31 19:17 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-07-31 16:45 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-01 00:38 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 08:09 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-01 11:02 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 12:02 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-01 17:35 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-01 18:06 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 19:05 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 20:35 +0100
                Re: boot me, COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-01 21:10 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-01 18:53 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-01 20:37 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-02 09:39 +0100
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-02 17:05 +0000
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-03 01:05 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> - 2022-08-03 11:51 -0500
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 22:11 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-05 06:52 +0100
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-06 00:30 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-07 22:36 +0000
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-07 20:27 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-08 06:09 +0000
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 14:53 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-13 19:44 +0000
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks "David W. Hodgins" <dwhodgins@nomail.afraid.org> - 2022-08-13 16:51 -0400
                Re: backups in real life, COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-14 14:34 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-01 08:19 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-01 14:00 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-01 14:46 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-29 08:09 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-29 00:00 -0400
                Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-29 18:55 +0000
                Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 00:53 -0400
                Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks Timothy McCaffrey <timcaffrey420@gmail.com> - 2022-08-04 07:52 -0700
                Re: different languages, was COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-04 17:00 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks drb@ihatespam.msu.edu (Dennis Boone) - 2022-07-29 16:41 -0500
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 01:03 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-07-30 08:16 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 19:50 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-30 14:56 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 20:35 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-07-31 21:51 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-07-31 21:26 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 02:07 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-02 14:30 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> - 2022-08-02 15:09 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-03 01:07 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2022-08-03 13:41 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 01:31 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-04 06:27 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-04 08:23 -0700
                Re: COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-04 18:05 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 23:35 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-05 16:45 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-05 21:50 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-06 02:21 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 23:29 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-08-05 03:33 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2022-08-05 14:05 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-05 16:01 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-05 16:45 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-08-05 13:13 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-05 19:14 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> - 2022-08-05 23:20 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2022-08-05 21:40 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Ibmekon <Ibmekon@google.com> - 2022-08-05 23:35 +0100
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-05 17:51 -0500
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Ibmekon <Ibmekon@google.com> - 2022-08-06 00:30 +0100
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-06 13:32 -0500
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-06 07:06 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-06 06:56 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Ibmekon <Ibmekon@google.com> - 2022-08-06 17:39 +0100
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> - 2022-08-06 13:30 -0500
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks maus <maus@dmaus.org> - 2022-08-05 19:12 +0000
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2022-08-05 21:03 +0100
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-05 21:45 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 14:58 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-06 02:19 +0100
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-05 21:44 -0400
                Re: cars and COBOL and tricks J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2022-08-13 15:03 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2022-08-06 02:15 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 01:03 -0400
              Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-28 23:43 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-07-29 15:23 -0700
                Re: old firms, was COBOL and tricks John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2022-07-29 22:58 +0000
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-07-30 01:04 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-06 00:06 -0400
          Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z959" <25B.Z959@nada.net> - 2022-08-02 00:32 -0400
            Re: COBOL and tricks Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2022-08-02 09:23 -0700
              Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 00:46 -0400
                Re: COBOL and tricks "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2022-08-04 10:34 +0100
                Re: COBOL and tricks "25B.Z969" <25B.Z969@noda.net> - 2022-08-04 11:07 -0400

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