Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac...

From	Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac...
Date	2020-11-20 12:49 +0000
Organization	Miskatonic U
Message-ID	<slrnrrfeqi.2gf5.g.kreme@ProMini.lan> (permalink)
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In message <GMxtH.11057$2j.3742@fx38.iad> JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
> On 2020-11-18 10:06, Lewis wrote:

>> Unlikely that anyone can replicate what Apple has done, and they won't
>> be able to even start to try for years.

> Consider what NVIDIA has just come out with.

Cards that cost as much as the Mac mini.

> Consider what AMD has just released for the Ryzen 8086s.

There is no such thing as Ryzen 8086.

> Don't underestimate their ability at the high end even if Intel is comatose.

So you want to compare high end to the LOWEST END of the Apple Silicone
Macs? Yep, that does sound like you.

:"Why, this $700 Mac is barely as fast as this $3500 system I can build,
if I ignore the lack of USB-4 and the 600 Watt PSU I'll need to run it
off of."

Now, compare your "high end" bullshit ot a sub $1000 laptop with a 17
hour battery life. You can throw all the money in the world at your
NVidia and AMD and you still will get nowhere near that.

Your FUD game is pathetic.

> Also remember that Apple proprietary apps are written for the hardware
> and make use of the proprietary stuff like Metal, neural engine and

You mean unlike Adobe Proprietary apps and Nvidia proprietary CUDA?

What a pathetic troll.

> Consider NVIDIA,s new RTX 3080.
> https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/30-series/rtx-3080/

Consider the $800 price tag, dipshit. Consider that you can't put that
card in a laptop, dumbass.

> 8704 cores at between 1.44 and 1.71 gHz.  10BG of RAM. The thing
> consumes 400 watts. And that is just the GPU.

> Apple's M1 has 8 GPU cores and might be so power efficient it can run on
> a CR 2032 pill battery for 10 weeks, but somehow, I doubt it can compare
> against a behemoth of a GPU with a gazillion cores that consume 400
> watts (with all the cooling challenges accompanying this).

It compares very favorably, in fact. You, of course will ignore the
power draw, the cost, and the lack of portability.

>>Qualcomm is still years behind Apple, and every year the gap
>> widens.

> At the core performance, I think they are less than a year apart.

Yes, but you are a fool.

> I am pretty sure there are some serious conversations between AMD and
> Microsoft and between Intel and Microsoft on what features are needed.
> Intel can also do a lot of performan metric tests when rining windows on
> its machines. (though being comatose, they may no lonegr be doing it,
> but AMD sure are).

the M1 is several generations ahead of the newest AMD chips, and it is the
lowest end Mac chip Apple will ever make.

>> The Apple Silicon transition, Apple has said repeatedly, is 2 years.

> I was talking about sustainable rate of developmeht for a wide range of
> chips

No, you were making up vague FUD like you always do. It's all you are
capable of.

-- 
"Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
"I think so, Brain, but shouldn't the bat boy be wearing a cape?"

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  Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... Chris Schram <chrispam1@me.com> - 2020-11-17 00:53 +0000
    Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... Alan Browne <Blackhole@entropy.ultimateorg> - 2020-11-17 11:45 -0500
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      Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-17 17:54 +0000
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      Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-17 12:40 -0500
        Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-17 18:03 +0000
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                Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-20 10:45 -0500
              Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-18 15:06 +0000
                Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-11-19 12:17 -0500
                Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-19 12:41 -0500
                Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-20 12:49 +0000
                Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-11-20 19:09 -0500
                Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-21 00:46 +0000
                Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2020-11-21 15:01 +1300
                Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-20 10:59 -0500
              Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... Alan Browne <Blackhole@entropy.ultimateorg> - 2020-11-18 14:08 -0500
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              Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-20 11:23 -0500
                Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-20 16:39 +0000
                Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> - 2020-11-20 12:03 -0500
                Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-20 17:47 +0000
                Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-20 14:05 -0500
                Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... Tim <timstreater@greenbee.net> - 2020-11-20 19:18 +0000
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                Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2020-11-20 19:38 -0500
                Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-21 03:27 +0000
                Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-21 09:47 -0500
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                Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-20 21:38 +0000
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                Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2020-11-20 16:57 -0500
            Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-18 14:58 +0000
              Re: Mac OS 11 - end of OS for my iMac... Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> - 2020-11-18 16:23 +0000
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